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[Jtibh]

I am writting and posting about the virus for weeks in several other threads.

I got shit on and verbaly assaulted countless times though i provided facts and a fair amount of reasoning.

And even though things got worse like way but way worse peoples minds havent changed one bit.
They still put me down.

Anyways i am glad that in this thread the conversations are civilized and edjucating.
Its in our best interest to be up to date .

I will do my share and post here every info i can gather.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Whether you think this is legit or not, no reason to not stock up on supplies for a month. If this blows over and nothing happens, you can still drink the water, eat the canned goods another time

Yep! And if it goes on for more than a month or two, that will probably mean the collapse of society anyway.

 

[Thaedolus]

Despite the high infection rate, I kinda think this whole thing is overblown. I'm not seeing any sign this is meaningfully worse than the flu.

I'm more concerned that a planned vacation in April will get spoiled by all this. Everything's nigh perfect for it. Please don't ruin it, public panic~

I’m assuming you don’t have anyone you care about in your life over 65 or somehow immunocompromised? Both my parents, all my aunts and uncles, a friend my age is a transplant recipient, just thinking off the top of my head...

 

[ManaByte]

So when this is all over what will the repercussions for China be for unleashing a bioweapon on the planet? Nothing? Thought so. Gotta get their box office money and sell them our shit.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

California is monitoring more than 8,400 people who traveled from places "of concern"

California Gov. Gavin Newsom said today that the state is taking necessary precautions with people who traveled recently due to the coronavirus outbreak.

www.cnn.com

really monitoring?

I think it might cost a lot to test people in California
South Korea could test that number in 12 hours

 

[ExpandKong]

So when this is all over what will the repercussions for China be for unleashing a bioweapon on the planet? Nothing? Thought so. Gotta get their box office money and sell them our shit.

I’m really hoping if anything happens it’ll be that everyone realizes having goddamn everything manufactured in one country is a dumb fucking idea.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

So when this is all over what will the repercussions for China be for unleashing a bioweapon on the planet? Nothing? Thought so. Gotta get their box office money and sell them our shit.

Manufacturing, mah boi.

The cost-savings of manufacturing things in China have already been steadily declining over the past decade, and now every country will be asking if it's worth it when supplies can be randomly disrupted for 1-2 months when China's gov't decides "it's not that big of a deal" until it becomes a big deal.

To say nothin of the fear of your populace catching a virulent outbreak.

EDIT: ExpandKong beat me like a scrub caught in his Down C

 

[Captain Zyrain]

now that is just bullying

Coronavirus is raping Europe!

 

[Smiles and Cries]

So when this is all over what will the repercussions for China be for unleashing a bioweapon on the planet? Nothing? Thought so. Gotta get their box office money and sell them our shit.

They have to fund every NBA team for the next 10 years.

 

[Rien]

And Netherlands has it first infection jeeeej...
He probably infected hundreds in the carnaval last week...

Thats creepy

 

[JordanN]

Ok, this is epic

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Trump administration may use 1950 wartime law to expand mask production

The Trump administration is considering using a 1950 wartime law to expand the production of masks and protective gear to prevent the spread of coronavirus, according to an administration official.

www.cnn.com

oh dear they must be thinking of some really cool shit to do to US. This is like being in a candy store for those in power

 

[Tygeezy]

Well look at the CFR. This has a 2-3% death rate (and probably higher since the deaths lag from the cases) while the flu has a death rate of something like .01%.

Also countries don't shut down or go into quarntine because of the flu.

I think its probably 80% odds if you get it you will recover, but the 20% will need hospitilization and could very well die.
I get where you coming from because in the grand scheme of things the amount of people infected is very small. Even china 80K on 1.3 billion is a tiny %. I think the bigger issue though is how quick it can spread, what that does to hospitals and the economy. Just look how governments are reacting and then compare it to your everyday flu.

There are also tons of people infected that are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that aren't getting reported. because they aren't seeking medical attention. So there really isn't a way to get a true number for the death rate. Out of confirmed cases its a little over 2 % depending on region. So where are you getting this number of 80 % likelihood of surviving? It would be much higher than 80 %

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Ok, this is epic

Our new POPE since our old one might be fucked

 

[HoodWinked]

i bought some masks at a markup.

then had a realization that this is real and not some movie or game. this thing really is pretty miserable someone in japan testing positive a second time after recovering and the report about the person in northern California getting it from an unknown source whom hadn't traveled.

seems like this may end up like the flu not as in the severity but that we will just have to live with it spreading among the population every year, and get yearly covid shots.

 

[cryptoadam]

There are also tons of people infected that are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that aren't getting reported. because they aren't seeking medical attention. So there really isn't a way to get a true number for the death rate. Out of confirmed cases its a little over 2 % depending on region. So where are you getting this number of 80 % likelihood of surviving? It would be much higher than 80 %

I am saying 80% would not need hospitalization and would recover just like getting over a cold/flu.

The other 20% it would be serious and could potentially lead to death.

 

[E-Cat]

There are also tons of people infected that are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that aren't getting reported. because they aren't seeking medical attention. So there really isn't a way to get a true number for the death rate. Out of confirmed cases its a little over 2 % depending on region. So where are you getting this number of 80 % likelihood of surviving? It would be much higher than 80 %

I think he meant that in 80% of cases, you won't have to go to the hospital. Which seems reasonable given a 2% death rate.

Edit: beaten.

 

[Paltheos]

Well look at the CFR. This has a 2-3% death rate (and probably higher since the deaths lag from the cases) while the flu has a death rate of something like .01%.

Also countries don't shut down or go into quarntine because of the flu.

I think its probably 80% odds if you get it you will recover, but the 20% will need hospitilization and could very well die.
I get where you coming from because in the grand scheme of things the amount of people infected is very small. Even china 80K on 1.3 billion is a tiny %. I think the bigger issue though is how quick it can spread, what that does to hospitals and the economy. Just look how governments are reacting and then compare it to your everyday flu.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I am still stunned Saudi Banned people from visiting Mecca and Medina

 

[ManaByte]

I am still stunned Saudi Banned people from visiting Mecca and Medina

Yea. This would be a BAD place for a superspreader:

 

[Butz]

 

[Tygeezy]

I am saying 80% would not need hospitalization and would recover just like getting over a cold/flu.

The other 20% it would be serious and could potentially lead to death.

Okay I see, that's more reasonable. I thought you meant you had an 80 % chance for survival. It still could be way higher for chance of hospitalization as there were a lot of people testing positive with very mild symptoms or no symptoms at all from the various quarantines. Really there is no way of knowing what the true rate is.

 

[Dthomp]

Well look at the CFR. This has a 2-3% death rate (and probably higher since the deaths lag from the cases) while the flu has a death rate of something like .01%.

Also countries don't shut down or go into quarntine because of the flu.

I think its probably 80% odds if you get it you will recover, but the 20% will need hospitilization and could very well die.
I get where you coming from because in the grand scheme of things the amount of people infected is very small. Even china 80K on 1.3 billion is a tiny %. I think the bigger issue though is how quick it can spread, what that does to hospitals and the economy. Just look how governments are reacting and then compare it to your everyday flu.

Worst part is that we have no idea if the death rate is actually 2-3% anyways. How many places have lied and continue to lie about their numbers? This could be MUCH worse then we think and we'd have no way of knowing for sure. Not sure if it was way back in this thread or if I saw it on reddit, but if this spreads badly in the US, there are NOWHERE near enough hospitals for the amount of people here that would need care, that will lead to more deaths and more suffering. Wish more people were being more careful and less "I can't not take a vacation, I'll be fine". Thing is you could bring it back and be the reason another human being is suddenly in a struggle for their life.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Yea. This would be a BAD place for a superspreader:

I've seen it. But the faithful can't be thrilled about this. I knew people who had cancer and very sick that could not wait to take that trip just in the hopes they would die at one of the holy cities

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Maaaan

OTHER PLACES	Cases	Deaths	Notes	Links
Diamond Princess	705	4	36 serious, 10 recovered	Source
South Korea	1,766	13	13 serious, 5 critical, 24 recovered	Source
Italy	655	17	19 serious, 3 recovered	Source
Japan	207*	4	13 serious, 32 recovered	Source
Iran	245	26		Source
Singapore	93	0	7 critical, 58 recovered	Source
Hong Kong	92	2	4 critical, 2 serious, 18 recovered	Source
United States	60	0	6 recovered	Source
Thailand	40	0	2 serious, 15 recovered	Source
Taiwan	32	1	5 recovered	Source
Malaysia	22	0	17 recovered	Source
Australia	23	0	15 recovered	Source
Germany	40	0	2 critical, 16 recovered	Source
Vietnam	16	0	16 recovered	Source
UAE	19	0	2 serious, 5 recovered	Source
United Kingdom	16	0	8 recovered	Source
France	38	2	1 serious, 11 recovered	Source
Canada	13	0	3 recovered	Source
Macau	10	0	6 recovered	Source
Bahrain	33	0		Source
Kuwait	43	0		Source
Iraq	7	0		Source
Philippines	3	1	2 recovered	Source
India	3	0	3 recovered	Source
Russia	2	0	2 recovered	Source
Spain	23	0	1 serious, 2 recovered	Source
Oman	6	0		Source
Nepal	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Cambodia	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Sri Lanka	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Finland	2	0	1 recovered	Source
Sweden	7	0		Source
Belgium	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Egypt	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Israel	3	0		Source
Lebanon	3	0		Source
Afghanistan	1	0		Source
Austria	3	0		Source
Croatia	3	0		Source
Switzerland	6	0		Source
Algeria	1	0		Source
Brazil	1	0		Source
Greece	3	0		Source
Pakistan	2	0		Source
North Macedonia	1	0		Source
Georgia	1	0		Source
Norway	4	0		Source
Romania	1	0		Source
Denmark	1	0		Source
Estonia	1	0		Source
Netherlands	1	0		Source
San Marino	1	0		Source
TOTAL	4,265	70	106 serious/critical

 

[cryptoadam]

Okay I see, that's more reasonable. I thought you meant you had an 80 % chance for survival. It still could be way higher for chance of hospitalization as there were a lot of people testing positive with very mild symptoms or no symptoms at all from the various quarantines. Really there is no way of knowing what the true rate is.

Pretty true. Even as you pointed out we don't know the real death rate, and keep in mind people who die were infected 2 to 4 weeks ago. So you can't just divide cases by deaths. There is a lag.

Overall I think the vast majority will survive and not have to be hospitalized. But the bigger problem IMO is how it spreads. Once you get 100's or 1000's that need to go to the hospital and stay home from work, even if they recover its going to wreck havoc.

But overall probably most people will never have it or know they have it and never have to see a hospital for it. Or at least I hope. Doesn't mean its not serious though. China aint shutting down for no common cold.

 

[GeorgPrime]

So our small startup was now ordered to work from home.

We have people in Zürich (which is now one of the places where the Corona virus appeared). It literally went from Italy to Tessin, from there to Geneva (HQ of the WHO), came to Zürich and Basel and some other smaller places around us here in short time. Around 100 people now in quarantine.

We stocked up food and water for 3 weeks before it even came from italy to Switzerland.

I was supposed to go to Zürich airport soon and travel to Düsseldorf but i guess we will cancel the business trip too.

We have an advisor from spain... he lives in Valencia. He was supposed to come here soon too. They have Corona now in Valencia too.

Funny times...

... why are we so careful now?

Most people here travel by train and if one of them gets sick its bad for our company. Or he may be infecting us too and then does some real damage to our company.

Someone i know told me that their company branch in Munich, Bavaria was asked now if everyone can work from home too. (they have 1000 employees).

 

[mcz117chief]

i bought some masks at a markup.

then had a realization that this is real and not some movie or game. this thing really is pretty miserable someone in japan testing positive a second time after recovering and the report about the person in northern California getting it from an unknown source whom hadn't traveled.

seems like this may end up like the flu not as in the severity but that we will just have to live with it spreading among the population every year, and get yearly covid shots.

Don't forget that an eye has a conjunctival membrane. Which means that virus can and will pass through them, so unless you are in an air-tight full face mask you are still exposed.

 

[cryptoadam]

Worst part is that we have no idea if the death rate is actually 2-3% anyways. How many places have lied and continue to lie about their numbers? This could be MUCH worse then we think and we'd have no way of knowing for sure. Not sure if it was way back in this thread or if I saw it on reddit, but if this spreads badly in the US, there are NOWHERE near enough hospitals for the amount of people here that would need care, that will lead to more deaths and more suffering. Wish more people were being more careful and less "I can't not take a vacation, I'll be fine". Thing is you could bring it back and be the reason another human being is suddenly in a struggle for their life.

And lag. People infected 2-4 weeks ago will die now. You don't get it and die the same day. You might not even know you have it for weeks.

You would have to take the deaths and compare them to the cases from 2 weeks ago, not the cases as of today.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

A communiqué of the death of a member of the Faculty of Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi, who was said to have died by Corona. Forgive of thee in Qom we all know God

 

[Breakage]

Coronavirus: schools and offices could close for up to two months
Chief medical officer says UK could face ‘quite a long period’ of disruption if hit by pandemic

Coronavirus: schools and offices could close for up to two months

Chief medical officer says UK could face ‘quite a long period’ of disruption if hit by pandemic

www.theguardian.com

Up to two months? How is that gonna work? I'm waiting for the spike in London. I can't see this city getting away with just a few cases.

 

[bitbydeath]

Will he be registered as age 70 or 80?

 

[Jtibh]

Update feb 27th as of 3pm mountain time

• WHO says outbreak in Iran likely worse than official numbers suggest; outbreak could go in "any direction"
• Cali monitoring 8400, 28 cases in the state
• Dozens of hospital staffers who treated US coronavirus patient with 'unknown' origin being 'monitored'
• Facebook cancels annual 'F8' developers' conference
• 700 in New York asked to 'self-isolate'
• Iran confirms 26 deaths, vice president for women and family affairs infected
• The Netherlands has confirmed its first case
• Northern Ireland confirms first case
• Norway confirms three new cases
• Germany confirms 14 new cases
• Lagarde: Not yet time for ECB to intervene to fight economic backlash of outbreak
• HHS says risk to public remains "low"
• Italy reports 3 more deaths, bringing total to 17; total cases hit 650
• Pence, Azar appoint Mnuchin, Kudlow & Surgeon General Adams to Coronavirus Task Force
• Starbucks says it has reopened 85% of Chinese restaurants
• Azar: Sonoma case might be 'community transmission'
• Salvini meets with Italian president amid national unity government speculation
• South Korean new cases surpass China's new cases as SK confirms 505 new cases
• China, Japan close school nationwide
• CDC fears 'community outbreak' in Sonoma County after discovering first US case of "unknown origin"
• CDC says patient from Solano county
• Saudi Arabia suspends pilgrimages to Holy Sites
• Hawaiian Airlines suspends service to South Korea
• Brazil's neighbors take steps to keep virus out

 

[Tygeezy]

Pretty true. Even as you pointed out we don't know the real death rate, and keep in mind people who die were infected 2 to 4 weeks ago. So you can't just divide cases by deaths. There is a lag.

Overall I think the vast majority will survive and not have to be hospitalized. But the bigger problem IMO is how it spreads. Once you get 100's or 1000's that need to go to the hospital and stay home from work, even if they recover its going to wreck havoc.

But overall probably most people will never have it or know they have it and never have to see a hospital for it. Or at least I hope. Doesn't mean its not serious though. China aint shutting down for no common cold.

Yeah, if the virus was extremely deadly it wouldn't have as much of a chance to spread because people would be too unwell to travel or move about the population. It's definitely serious, but there is a balance between fear mongering and just dismissing it altogether.

 

[nush]

This fucking thing is just stalking me. I live in Seoul and just got back from vacation to Italy for the last couple weeks. The number of cases skyrocketed in both countries during my trip (although, in other parts of the countries). Took every precaution I could on the flight. Wore 2 masks, disinfected the seat (and back of the one in front of me) with sanitizer, and even declined all meals. My work has me in self quarantine for the next couple of weeks now, so more time off I guess. Crazy to think I've possibly been within sight of someone infected.

I think airports don't take this shit seriously enough. It's business as usual at both airports unless you're a Chinese citizen or traveled to Hubei province in the last month. Both airports only checked for high temperature with the heat cameras. At least in Korea, staff wear masks and gloves. Hardly anyone is wearing them in Italy.

Plot twist: He's a super spreader.

 

[Kadayi]

I’m assuming you don’t have anyone you care about in your life over 65 or somehow immunocompromised? Both my parents, all my aunts and uncles, a friend my age is a transplant recipient, just thinking off the top of my head...

Indeed. There seems to be this very narrow mindset on display by some people wherein they think just because it doesn't seemingly impact them directly, that it's of no consequence in terms of how much it matters.

 

[Tygeezy]

Plot twist: He's a super spreader.

It's stalking me bro. I was in China from the 12th till the 31st last month. I live in Sacramento which is close to Solano county. In fact im biking distance to that ucd facility where the patient was transferred to.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

NeoGAF is looking like a hub of suspicious activity. Where our members go, the virus mysteriously appears...

An Italian observation.

 

[Butz]

1766 cases in SK and only 13 deaths.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Any bets first Rap Song or Rapper to use the word 'SuperSpreader'?

 

[Butz]

Worst part is that we have no idea if the death rate is actually 2-3% anyways. How many places have lied and continue to lie about their numbers? This could be MUCH worse then we think and we'd have no way of knowing for sure. Not sure if it was way back in this thread or if I saw it on reddit, but if this spreads badly in the US, there are NOWHERE near enough hospitals for the amount of people here that would need care, that will lead to more deaths and more suffering. Wish more people were being more careful and less "I can't not take a vacation, I'll be fine". Thing is you could bring it back and be the reason another human being is suddenly in a struggle for their life.

Some of you really want this to be a big thing don't you lol
Everyones lying!

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

1766 cases in SK and only 13 deaths.

This seems to corroborate the theory that the virus hits hardest in areas/countries with poor healthcare infrastructure.

 

[Jtibh]

NeoGAF is looking like a hub of suspicious activity. Where our members go, the virus mysteriously appears...

An Italian observation.

This is the biggest problem people or as i call them haters dont realize.

With propper care your survival rate is 95 percent.

But once beds are filled, shortage of staff and doctors happen, shortage of equipment etc. your survival rate drops to nothing.

Look my wife is a trauma RN in canada.
She just came home from a night shift. And she said she had a hell of a time cuz they were so under staffed.
The hospitals can barely handle the current patients.
Can you imagine 1000's show up with severe symptoms. What you think will happen?
Self isolate and die at home?

This is the biggest problem of all.

 

[GHG]

NeoGAF is looking like a hub of suspicious activity. Where our members go, the virus mysteriously appears...

An Italian observation.

Where's that idiot who said it would be fine for a country to have a million people who needed to be hospitalised because of this?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

The Markets need something to help them bounce back, can't imagine many days breaking record lows will help anyone not freak out

 

[Captain Zyrain]

1766 cases in SK and only 13 deaths.

It's been mentioned time and time again that people don't just drop dead from this. There is an delay between getting this and dying.

Most of the SK cases popped up within the last week. IF these people are going to die, they'll probably start dying in the NEXT week or two. You can't just take total deaths divided by total cases until it's all said and done. It just doesn't work that way.

 

[Butz]

It's been mentioned time and time again that people don't just drop dead from this. There is an delay between getting this and dying.

Most of the SK cases popped up within the last week. IF these people are going to die, they'll probably start dying in the NEXT week or two. You can't just take total deaths divided by total cases until it's all said and done. It just doesn't work that way.

Yeah they're all going to die!

 

[Alebrije]

Since its a Virus there is no cure like the flu, right?

It is or could mutate like other virus.

Basically anyone is just waiting when will appear on his/her city since its unstopable.

Think the best we can do is avoid panic since there not much to do besides the basic measures every one is talking about.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Yeah they're all going to die!

You should kindly Butz out. Ignoring you.

Since its a Virus there is no cure like the flu, right?

It is or could mutate like other virus.

Basically anyone is just waiting when will appear on his/her city since its unstopable.

Think the best we can do is avoid panic since there not much to do besides the basic measures every one is talking about.

No cure, but hopefully they'll develop a vaccine which will inoculate you against it. Will likely take a couple of years.

 

[ExpandKong]

Yeah they're all going to die!

Honestly your aggressive dismissiveness is more obnoxious than the doomsdayers.