Batiman
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Chris D’Elia on Lizzo: “Why do we have to pretend?”
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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Man, I never knew autistic people were this witty!
Everybody, let's applaud
Batiman
for his high-functioning, low-brow sense of humor!Vicetrailia
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Is it okay? The hell do you mean? This isn't a round table. People do whatever the fuck they want. And she's rich and famous, you can't tell her shit lol.
You can openly scrutinize her but go ahead and try, she'll (her dumb fans) will probably light you up. But thankfully you have gaf to vent to.
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Kagey K
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I don’t think anyone got upset when Missy E lost most of her weight. In fact she looked best and was at her best when she did Under Construction (which still holds up as one of the best female fronted Hip Hop albums of all time IMO)
I don‘t think anyone would be upset with Lizzo for doing the same.
TherapistGaymer
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Yeah it's something. He doesn't deserve to be hereMiyazakiHatesKojima has been in a lit mood recently. I'm not sure if it's a character, or a problem he's facing recently, but for now...
Kagey K
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Who are the alts? I think I missed a step here.
Elektro Demon
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Never heard about Lizzo.
But I agree with him, she looks fat. She's not thicc nor cubby, she's fat. Close to obese.
But I agree with him, she looks fat. She's not thicc nor cubby, she's fat. Close to obese.
Stiflers Mom
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So my question to the whaled beach community of NeoGAF is:Allow me to properly introduce you
Is that "thicc" or obese?
It's sometimes hard for me to see the differences, you know.....
edit: I see Elektro Demon got me covered in the post above...
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epicnemesis
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I feel like the fat bar has been moved too far when people describe this chick as anything other than morbidly obese. She is massive. She belongs in Tyler Perry’s Shallow Hal remake.
I have a lot of fat people in my family, I have nothing against them, I’m not exactly skinny myself, but let’s call a spade a spade here.
Also, fat people, stop wearing revealing clothing please. I have hairy shoulders and you don’t see me wearing tank tops. No one wants to see that shit.
I have a lot of fat people in my family, I have nothing against them, I’m not exactly skinny myself, but let’s call a spade a spade here.
Also, fat people, stop wearing revealing clothing please. I have hairy shoulders and you don’t see me wearing tank tops. No one wants to see that shit.
mekes
Member
Never heard about Lizzo.
But I agree with him, she looks fat. She's not thicc nor cubby, she's fat. Close to obese.
MAN THE HARPOON!
Airola
Member
When people use words like "basically" and "pretty much" it usually means what they say happened didn't happen.
I've only seen a couple of screenshots as I tried to google it so I might be wrong, but what I saw in those screenshots wasn't anything worse than what we have seen in music videos and other shows in the past decade.
I see it like this: If it's allowed to show Nicki Minaj's Anaconda music video anywhere and anytime to anyone, it should be allowed for a fat woman be in as revealing clothes and shaking around just as much.
It's not as if Lizzo's clothes are the most revealing things we've seen in showbusiness. Porn directors have been directing the music videos for pop stars for quite a long time now, and the visuals are relatively close to that aesthetic. If you want to be able to see stuff like that in television and live shows, then you should allow overweight artists do the same thing too.
To have no double standards in this subject there's only two options:
1) Force artists with skimpy clothes to wear more clothes.
2) Allow every artist regardless of their looks to wear skimpy clothes.
With the second option some people will call both thin and fat artists slutty and some will hail them as empowered sexual women regardless.
HotPocket69
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Her album is really fucking good. It’s like a bizarro world Motown record where Missy Elliott and Lauryn Hill run the joint.
She’ll lose the weight once she hits that inevitable “I need to redefine myself” phase.
Great cuts:
She’ll lose the weight once she hits that inevitable “I need to redefine myself” phase.
Great cuts:
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People were normal back then. Being fat wasn’t considered a identity
LordKasual
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I mean....who cares? She's not fooling anyone, everyone knows she's fat. SHE knows she's fat.
Like, what would the alternative be? She never stands out in any of the clothing she wears and hides behind "appropriate" dresses? That is not a helpful strategy for a celebrity, let alone a rapper. The entire point is to be in the spotlight.
It's like this guy is arguing because he's mad the media isn't pointing out that she's fat, maliciously, 100% of the time, which would literally just be cruelty for the sake of it, not to mention bad journalism because she's a musician first.
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diffusionx
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what the fuck is relatively obese
JareBear: Remastered
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JareBear: Remastered
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Vent? You seem to be the one venting here. Why are you upset?
you see people dressed like this all the time in public?
I stick by what I said. Her butthole is basically exposed.
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Elektro Demon
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There is no relatively obese. There are 3 terms for people who have excess mass.
There's chubby people.
Then there's fat people.
And then there's obese people.
Realatively obese doesn't exist.
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A great quote I heard about this is "complacency is the forerunner of mediocrity". Accepting yourself if you're not genetically lucky and don't fit the standard of beauty is one thing, being obese with no self control or care about yourself is different. It's like a person being celebrated for achieving something whilst being a high school dropout saying that dropping out isn't a bad thing.
LordKasual
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This is more complex than people make it out to be though.
Again, people tend to be forgetting something: Lizzo makes hit records. One could very easily argue that if Lizzo always had a weight problem and let it hold her back without accepting it, she never would have had the capacity/confidence/energy to put all of herself into her career, which at this point is quite successful. People let things like that hold them back all the time. So in her case specifically....i can understand how people can view her current state something as inspirational. Especially seeing as other successful female rappers leverage their careers VERY heavily with sex appeal, something Lizzo does not really have going for her.
I mean maybe now that she's a successful musician she can work on her health/body....but if she's truly accepted it, then she technically has no reason to care very much right now....and she certainly has no reason to accept criticism. "You're fat, so you should lose weight and not be happy about your current state because it's not healthy"......to which she can fairly respond "Cool but i've made myself rich while i was this fat, so i can do whatever the fuck i want".
So yeah, she should lose weight for her own health, but the decision IS still ultimately her own.
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King of Foxes
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I have seen that fat disgusting pig on tv a couple times. I had to double take because in that video with the marching band you can see her legs are as thick as some of the band's torsos.
So she is a thing in America?
So she is a thing in America?
#Phonepunk#
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she is not fat, not obese, she is a beached whale
diffusionx
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Vent? You seem to be the one venting here. Why are you upset?
you see people dressed like this all the time in public?
I stick by what I said. Her butthole is basically exposed.
imagine the smell
JareBear: Remastered
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Honest question:
How many people actually watched the video vs. how many people just wanted to chime in and nitpick semantics? Based on the replies, I would guess 5 people or less actually watched the video, and there are 3 people who seemed to reply just to nitpick something I erroneously articulated. The rest of the replies are people having fun, and that's cool, I got nothin' but love for ya.
I mean, that's cool, I ain't your boss. You don't have to watch anything you don't want to. Don't watch what you don't wanna watch. Do you, baby.
I just can't seem but be puzzled by some of the seemingly misplaced hostility of a select few replies. Of course I could be misreading, misunderstanding, inferring something that isn't actually being implied. Could be an issue on my end, definitely. I am wrong all the time. I am a weirdo loner, my head is fucking strange.
BUT, to be clear, I ain't the one wishing death on her, or talking about harpooning whales, check the receipts. Quote reply someone else with your "vent to" accusations. I tried to approach this as neutral as possible. I don't have an anti-Lizzo agenda. I watched Chris' clip, thought it was kinda funny and kinda made sense, just hoped to hear others' thoughts on it. I failed, hard, in that regard.
A pretty well known comedian posted a relatively short and to-the-point clip talking about how people are always discussing Lizzo everywhere, all the time, especially on social media. Namely how everything she wears and everytime she walks outside, she's hailed as "slaying" when it could be literally wearing a giant Hershey wrapper. He ponders, is she said to be "always slaying" because she is overweight and proud of it? Is there a double standard? Just watch the vid, he says it better than I can write it.
Again, I think Lizzo makes great songs. I play 3 of those hits on my Spotify rotation daily. And it is cool that she's fat and happy, but I ask again, could Beyonce or Taylor Swift wear an open bottom with g-string butthole exposed to a Lakers game and be celebrated for it, or is Lizzo celebrated for it SOLELY because she is fat? This is where the question of a POSSIBLE double standard comes into play.
LOL at the angry “this isn’t a roundtable” guy ( V Vicetrailia ). Yeah dude, because I’m the first person ever in GAF history to ask other posters’ opinions on pop culture. Riiiiiight. What the fuck are you talking about? We can’t ask other people what they think is okay or not? We can’t ask if double standards exist in society? What the fuck are you talking about? Where was I venting to anyone about anything (until now)?
I feel like, for the most part, the point has been missed completely and that’s my fault for submitting a poorly articulated opener, but in fairness I can’t remember many other threads where someone got “dunked on” for using “basically” in a sentence.
That’s cool though, I’ll be your whipping boy, but I honestly feel like a valid discussion could have been had regarding Chris’ comments in the linked video. I’ll try to set it up more appropriately next time.
That being said, not to be "yeah but" guy, I can't help but feel like if your primary concern is nit-picking something I wrote poorly, rather than actually watching Chris D'Elia's video (the true subject of the thread. Thread isn't about me, or even Lizzo primarily, it is about what Chris said about Lizzo and how people react to her), maybe there is a little of a You Problem there as well.
Thanks for your time.
Shoutout to V Vicetrailia for the random angry-drive-by that befuddled me with it's lack of awareness
Shoutout to
Elektro Demon
for continuing to be the professor we need, and deserve
Shoutout to
MiyazakiHatesKojima
for clinging to every last hope of not dying chained to Brap's polished steel life-sized Goku statue in the basement
Shoutout to
Tesseract
for being my king of GAF. THE KING IN THE NORTH THE KING IN THE NORTH
out before I get fuckin' shredded for an error or nonsensical portion or writing
I'll end with some wise words from Lizzo herself.
"If my name's on your lips then so is my pussy. How 's the taste, bitch? - Lizzo (to Jillian Michaels, actual quote)
I probably should proofread this for errors, but hey, I like to live dangerously
Slay me for stupidity
How many people actually watched the video vs. how many people just wanted to chime in and nitpick semantics? Based on the replies, I would guess 5 people or less actually watched the video, and there are 3 people who seemed to reply just to nitpick something I erroneously articulated. The rest of the replies are people having fun, and that's cool, I got nothin' but love for ya.
I mean, that's cool, I ain't your boss. You don't have to watch anything you don't want to. Don't watch what you don't wanna watch. Do you, baby.
I just can't seem but be puzzled by some of the seemingly misplaced hostility of a select few replies. Of course I could be misreading, misunderstanding, inferring something that isn't actually being implied. Could be an issue on my end, definitely. I am wrong all the time. I am a weirdo loner, my head is fucking strange.
BUT, to be clear, I ain't the one wishing death on her, or talking about harpooning whales, check the receipts. Quote reply someone else with your "vent to" accusations. I tried to approach this as neutral as possible. I don't have an anti-Lizzo agenda. I watched Chris' clip, thought it was kinda funny and kinda made sense, just hoped to hear others' thoughts on it. I failed, hard, in that regard.
A pretty well known comedian posted a relatively short and to-the-point clip talking about how people are always discussing Lizzo everywhere, all the time, especially on social media. Namely how everything she wears and everytime she walks outside, she's hailed as "slaying" when it could be literally wearing a giant Hershey wrapper. He ponders, is she said to be "always slaying" because she is overweight and proud of it? Is there a double standard? Just watch the vid, he says it better than I can write it.
Again, I think Lizzo makes great songs. I play 3 of those hits on my Spotify rotation daily. And it is cool that she's fat and happy, but I ask again, could Beyonce or Taylor Swift wear an open bottom with g-string butthole exposed to a Lakers game and be celebrated for it, or is Lizzo celebrated for it SOLELY because she is fat? This is where the question of a POSSIBLE double standard comes into play.
LOL at the angry “this isn’t a roundtable” guy ( V Vicetrailia ). Yeah dude, because I’m the first person ever in GAF history to ask other posters’ opinions on pop culture. Riiiiiight. What the fuck are you talking about? We can’t ask other people what they think is okay or not? We can’t ask if double standards exist in society? What the fuck are you talking about? Where was I venting to anyone about anything (until now)?
I feel like, for the most part, the point has been missed completely and that’s my fault for submitting a poorly articulated opener, but in fairness I can’t remember many other threads where someone got “dunked on” for using “basically” in a sentence.
That’s cool though, I’ll be your whipping boy, but I honestly feel like a valid discussion could have been had regarding Chris’ comments in the linked video. I’ll try to set it up more appropriately next time.
That being said, not to be "yeah but" guy, I can't help but feel like if your primary concern is nit-picking something I wrote poorly, rather than actually watching Chris D'Elia's video (the true subject of the thread. Thread isn't about me, or even Lizzo primarily, it is about what Chris said about Lizzo and how people react to her), maybe there is a little of a You Problem there as well.
Thanks for your time.
Shoutout to V Vicetrailia for the random angry-drive-by that befuddled me with it's lack of awareness
Shoutout to
Elektro Demon
for continuing to be the professor we need, and deserveShoutout to
MiyazakiHatesKojima
for clinging to every last hope of not dying chained to Brap's polished steel life-sized Goku statue in the basementShoutout to
Tesseract
for being my king of GAF. THE KING IN THE NORTH THE KING IN THE NORTHout before I get fuckin' shredded for an error or nonsensical portion or writing
I'll end with some wise words from Lizzo herself.
"If my name's on your lips then so is my pussy. How 's the taste, bitch? - Lizzo (to Jillian Michaels, actual quote)
I probably should proofread this for errors, but hey, I like to live dangerously
Slay me for stupidity
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King of Foxes
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Thats way too many words to read
JareBear: Remastered
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You're probably better off not reading it anyway, I did you a favor.
Vicetrailia
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But I just wanna know, is it OKAY for an obese person to wear ridiculous outfits just because it's in the name of "body positivity," do we really have to pretend like its OKAY because someone is "fat and pround" to throw out societal standards for public behavior? I wonder, just what exactly am I gonna do about it? Rant? Pass legislation? Go along for the ride 
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diffusionx
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But I just wanna know, is it OKAY for an obese person to wear ridiculous outfits just because it's in the name of "body positivity," do we really have to pretend like its OKAY because someone is "fat and pround" to throw out societal standards for public behavior? I wonder, just what exactly am I gonna do about it? Rant? Pass legislation? Go along for the ride
It’s stunning and brave you bigot
GymWolf
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Looks like elektro demon ideal woman.Allow me to properly introduce you
Schrödinger's cat
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I'm an open-minded guy with a preference for the fuller figure.
But I'm also practical and rational.
Look at it this way:
If a man was the same size and shape as Lizzo and walked around in crotchless clothes that showed off as much of his ass and crotch as she does, if he made a point of waving it in people's faces, being confrontational and refusing to adhere to common decency - would you make the same arguments in his favour, to the same degree, with the same 'yass slay!' celebratory rhetoric?
This is a yes or no question.
If you decide to answer it, make the first word of your answer "Yes" or "No" and then expand on it however you wish.
But I'm also practical and rational.
Look at it this way:
If a man was the same size and shape as Lizzo and walked around in crotchless clothes that showed off as much of his ass and crotch as she does, if he made a point of waving it in people's faces, being confrontational and refusing to adhere to common decency - would you make the same arguments in his favour, to the same degree, with the same 'yass slay!' celebratory rhetoric?
This is a yes or no question.
If you decide to answer it, make the first word of your answer "Yes" or "No" and then expand on it however you wish.
Vicetrailia
Member
When does any kind of male get to do this without getting their face kicked in?
They only time they wouldn't is at specific events like gay pride parades, drag shows or whatever kind of organized stuff people do.
So in short men and women have different standards.
Airola
Member
you see people dressed like this all the time in public?
General people? Not that much (except in some Pride marches). All the time? No.
Artists? Sometimes. All the time? No, but at some events, shows and music videos.
Sexual revolution happened. It has now caught up with fat people too. I'm torn between loving it because I'm degenerate sinner and hating it because in the end and at its core it's degenerate bullshit and harmful to society. Either way, when I love it I accept the sight of fat asses too and when I hate it I'm disgusted by the hot thin softcore porn artists too.
Hey, maybe I was just disappointed there was no butthole to be seen.
JareBear: Remastered
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NOLA_Gaffer
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This seems squarely like a "Haters gonna hate" situation.
If she's happy doing what she's doing, shiny on you crazy goddamn diamond.
If she's happy doing what she's doing, shiny on you crazy goddamn diamond.
Papa
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Papa
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Oh yeah personal truth etc
Airola
Member
Sure. That's why fatties get to hear they're disgusting and why people who can't stand them still have to see them. The more fatties get mocked, the more fat asses will shake. The more fat asses will shake, the more fatties get mocked. It's the purest form of inequality. Unbounded unfairness. A circle of triggering in a universe that doesn't care.
Papa
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or we could stop telling them that they're stunning and brave and reinstall the necessary sense of shame to stop them eating that fourth donut
Airola
Member
Not going to happen anymore. The ball's been rolling for too long. All the voices of reason what comes to any sort of degeneracy of human mind are lost in the wind. It's been downhill since the beginning of history. STDs tried to stop sexual degeneration. No-one learned anything. Diabetes and heart diseases try to stop laziness and self-indulgence. No-one learns anything. If people don't care to stop when disease comes to kill, how will they ever stop when someone only shouts shame on them? You can always try though, not taking that away from you. Hedonism has too many forms though, it always creeps back in one way or another.
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Fat people don’t exist becuase of a lack of shame. We live in a very sedentary society and an abundance of food, because of our advanced economies. This is the future of all societies as people grow out of poverty
GobbledeeGoo
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It's all relative. The best solution is education and exposure to proper nutrition from a very young age. If you don't expose your children to crappy foods like fast food or high sugar drinks and give them healthier options, that's what they'll be aware of. If you feed your kid McDonald's on a regular basis and not as a special occasion, they're going to start preferring that to healthier options and understandably so. It's tasty crap. I love McDonald's as much as anyone else, I'll admit it. But it's a special occasion food and people treat it like it's normal to eat it daily. It's not. Also portion size is a big issue too.
Papa
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not all, but do you really think this HAES nonsense has had no effect? cmon son
Papa
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well we have done a pretty good job of reducing smoking rates, why not obesity? i'm not as pessimistic as you, just need to turn the cultural ship around
pennythoughts
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if that worked I think it already would have. I don't know where we go from here, other than to let people reap the consequences and see if that affects public perception down the line. most importantly I want to support people who are making good decisions for themselves. Personally I'd like to see big brother legislate around advertising the way they did cigarette smoking. Don't advertise to kids, don't try to create a legion of lifelong consumers, run awareness campaigns and programs on the dangers of smoking and give the issue time. Give people a choice but make it an informed one and where parents and communities may be failing our young ones the government can try to fill in the void like they did with tobacco.
I watched it. I think something Chris isn't thinking about or neglects to mention is that women in general seem to be more supportive of each other, in spite of their obvious flaws. Women shower each other in compliments, the ugliest girl of any group gets the most praise from her friends. Men are expected to carry themselves, to not need or want compliments and then we wonder why young male suicide rates and mental health issues continue to climb. Conversely, the body-positivity movement may have started from a good place but too much of any good thing can still be a bad thing. Just like I wouldn't support someone or shower them with praise for taking up smoking or drinking, I can still defend their right to do so.
In real life I would never try to shame or insult someone over their size but I would (and have been) extremely supportive of those who are taking obvious steps towards bettering themselves.
I’m I supposed to believe if we post a few more fat memes and insult fat people some more, everyone will decide to stop eating?