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[LeVictorien]

Supporting last gen systems isn't anti consumer. However letting last gen systems hold next gen systems back is anti consumer.

However this can be solved if developers make two different versions of the same game. That way each version can take full advantage of the hardware that they are on.

And I agree that communication is key here. If support is going to be dropped consumers need to know that ahead of time. Which is what both Microsoft and Sony have done.

I need to ask... how exactly are you supposed to know they are holding back on a game? And if their intention is to support both gens, what makes this anti consumer?

Also... does it mean that any dev that doesn't support all features that would've been impossible to replicate on past gen anti consumer? Is it mandatory to do that to not be anti consumer? I don't follow on this logic, really!

 

[MasterCornholio]

I need to ask... how exactly are you supposed to know they are holding back on a game? And if their intention is to support both gens, what makes this anti consumer?

Also... does it mean that any dev that doesn't support all features that would've been impossible to replicate on past gen anti consumer? Is it mandatory to do that to not be anti consumer? I don't follow on this logic, really!

I guess best examples come from developers that are don't support current gen because their games are not possible on the PS4 or the X1.

The Medium Developer Reveals Why Game is Next-Gen Exclusive

The developer of The Medium, Bloober Team, looks set to deliver a game-changing mechanic in the upcoming title that made it a next-gen game.

gamerant.com

"Yet Wojciech has claimed that there are patented mechanics which will separate the game from its competition and forced the game, which has been in development since 2012, to be made for the next generation of consoles."

Basically the game Medium can be made on current gen systems. However if they did that they would have to change the mechanics of the game to get it to run on current gen systems. That wouldn't be fair to those buying next gen systems because their hardware isn't being taken advantage of. Also game design would suffer as a result of current gen systems. This is how supporting aging hardware can be detrimental to the experience of the game and thus can be seen as anticonsumer because are getting a lesser game on next gen systems.

It's always why at some point old systems and hardware are dropped so that game design can evolve.

I think the biggest issue with current gen systems are their outdated CPUs and extremely slow I/O systems. Not having to worry about them will allow games like Medium to do things not previously possible.

Anyways Microsoft has already confirmed that they will abandon the X1 at some point so this shouldn't be something that people will worry about for much longer.

 

[godhandiscen]

With a show? Nahh. I want to see a generation in which they have at least one exciting first party game coming out at every 3 months before I feel that my Xbox is more than a Halo box.

 

[VincentMatts]

I need to ask... how exactly are you supposed to know they are holding back on a game? And if their intention is to support both gens, what makes this anti consumer?

Also... does it mean that any dev that doesn't support all features that would've been impossible to replicate on past gen anti consumer? Is it mandatory to do that to not be anti consumer? I don't follow on this logic, really!

He doesn't understand what anti-consumer means. Its pointless to argue with him.

 

[MrS]

The proof will be in the quality of the games when they release. Sony's "year of dreams" E3 proved to not actually be that great as FF7R and Shenmue 3 are both shite. Lets wait and see. Hoping to see lots of great next gen games from Xbox!

 

[Aguero9320]

Some people are so entrenched in their positions that the show won't make any difference to them. MIcrosoft's May show was fine, Sony's show was fine... I think/hope Microsoft's July show will be significantly better than them both. The actual differences between them are much smaller than the warriors make them out to be - this gen, last gen and next gen.

I'm fortunate enough to be able to own both (plus a Switch and good PC) so don't have to worry too much. I definitely have a preference for Microsoft in terms of games/overall experience, but will be preordering PS5 day one, and happily playing Ratchet when it comes out. I'm interested in both Series X and Lockhart - will definitely get one, maybe both as I have a really nice 1080p projector setup. Excited for next gen.

 

[Kerotan]

One show doesn't make up for a pathetic generation and don't forget the second half of the 360 gen was bad too.

 

[M1chl]

They made FH3 and brought the GamePass, those two things more then made up with the whole debackle. I could say that some features I would enjoy to have, like HDMI IN, because I am using this when compiling something on SBCs or checking how my digital wallets is going, on TV (sometimes you got act fast, when something falls down or jump up, in crypto wordl, but hey you can switch the output on your TV monitor, not a big deal. So I don't know, they sucked only at the beginning of this gen. In my honest opinion, since FH2 came out, I don't really have any issues with the system. It even now has working HDMI-CEC so that's cool. An it isn't IR blaster, because I obviously checked that. Improvements in UI dashboard are insane and it's really fast while in game, in comparison to PS4 UI. I don't know how anyone think that X1X is bad product.

What is important, is launch of the next-gen console. They can fuck this up again, you know.

Also I as Eurofag, already pay 80 USD per new game (well thanks to GP, I am not buying that many games), so now it's going to 100 USD, that's what is shit.

 

[MasterCornholio]

He doesn't understand what anti-consumer means. Its pointless to argue with him.

I understand what I means. People that buy current gen systems are as much as a consumer as those that buy next gen systems. Each consumer should have software that takes advantage of their systems hardware.

It's kind of like how parity was seen as anti consumer in the past. Same thing here when your talking about cross gen games that are limited by current gen systems.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Actually I find that Xbox One had a very strong debut in terms of games. The first two years were very good with Ryse (not a fan), Killer Instinct, Dead Rising, MCC, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall etc...

Hoping for something even better of course.

I loved Ryse, Quantum Break, Dead Rising 3, Sunset Overdrive, Ori and Forza Horizon 3

 

[Hobbygaming]

I hope Microsoft isn't hyping this show up only to let me down

I want to see big budget AAA story driven games that fit my tastes and they'll have my money

 

[Sw0pDiller]

So with all this in mind, and if they come off of a successful game showing, has MS done enough to wipe away the demons?

What demons? They just left the ball for sony to pick up. Even with xbx they focussed so much on the power narrative they forgot that the system needs games.

Their starting point this gen is much clearer than before but they need to build up momentum. Sony already got this momentum but might still drop it so Ms can pick it up this gen. If sony just replays the ps4 success than next gen will end up much like this one. But Ms is much more aggressive and that's good for consumers.

 

[Sw0pDiller]

I'm pretty sure they are aware of that which is why they bought those studios. Question is what will those studios produce under Microsoft?

Jup, we all remember what happened to rare... They are a shadows of their former self. People need to realise that it's the talented people that work on certain projects that can make or break a great game. Not the name of the studio.

 

[ZehDon]

For me, the entire Xbone generation was Microsoft in a holding pattern. They never seemed to be able to stick the landing on anything, despite the excellent hardware released. Despite a few years at the helm, Phil Spencer never seemed to be able to drop the anchor of Mattrick's decimation of Microsoft's first party studios. For an entire generation, Microsoft just never scored a real home run. For me, Sony turned in at least one absolute classic - God of War - and a string of top tier releases. Your mileage may vary, but there's not denying Sony at least swung for the fences of several occasions. Microsoft just... never seemed to.

For me, to finally be done with the stigma of the Xbone, they need just one absolute must have, knock 'em down in the stands, no questions asked, stone cold classic. Just one. The OG Xbox had several - Halo, of course, being the top dog of a pile that included thirty party exclusives that were absolutely God tier. On the 360, it was an embarrassment of riches - some of the best games of all time... at least for the first half of its run. For the Xbone, it was an entire generation of waiting - "Wait for next year - Phil Spencer just started", "Next year, they'll bring the goods", "Next year, Microsoft will drop the big guns", "Next year, we'll see Microsoft's first party's step up". Despite all the waiting, for me, they just never delivered.

The Series X needs a killer app. And if Microsoft can deliver it, they'll have made up for the Xbone.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Jup, we all remember what happened to rare... They are a shadows of their former self. People need to realise that it's the talented people that work on certain projects that can make or break a great game. Not the name of the studio.

If the studios are managed well they will produce great games. If they are not then it will be a disaster.

It's up to Microsoft to prove that they will handle them well. And they can do that by releasing high quality games.

 

[DeceptiveAlarm]

For me, the entire Xbone generation was Microsoft in a holding pattern. They never seemed to be able to stick the landing on anything, despite the excellent hardware released. Despite a few years at the helm, Phil Spencer never seemed to be able to drop the anchor of Mattrick's decimation of Microsoft's first party studios. For an entire generation, Microsoft just never scored a real home run. For me, Sony turned in at least one absolute classic - God of War - and a string of top tier releases. Your mileage may vary, but there's not denying Sony at least swung for the fences of several occasions. Microsoft just... never seemed to.

For me, to finally be done with the stigma of the Xbone, they need just one absolute must have, knock 'em down in the stands, no questions asked, stone cold classic. Just one. The OG Xbox had several - Halo, of course, being the top dog of a pile that included thirty party exclusives that were absolutely God tier. On the 360, it was an embarrassment of riches - some of the best games of all time... at least for the first half of its run. For the Xbone, it was an entire generation of waiting - "Wait for next year - Phil Spencer just started", "Next year, they'll bring the goods", "Next year, Microsoft will drop the big guns", "Next year, we'll see Microsoft's first party's step up". Despite all the waiting, for me, they just never delivered.

The Series X needs a killer app. And if Microsoft can deliver it, they'll have made up for the Xbone.

I agree. I bought a X for one reason it was a quiet top tier machine with the best controller. For the first time though I got a PS first. Xbox just didnt have the games.

 

[JORMBO]

I've been happy with them since the 1X release. It's more powerful and quieter then my Pro, so it has become my third party machine. MS hasn't had as many exclusives as Sony, but they still have had some decent output. Game Pass is also really nice. I'm expecting them to continue on this path but with a few more exclusives thrown in there from all the studio acquisitions. For me they are already there and I am excited for their show.

 

[Elder Legend]

No, because announcing games is one thing. But having the games released years later and then recieving consistent metacriti scores of 90 or above is a different story. If these perform well consistently over the the next few years then yes.

 

[pr0cs]

They've been in a much better situation since the OneS was launched, the box is still way too underpowered but they made the best of it by at least including a HD BD drive at the very least making it a decent BD player. The oneX changed their direction, that plus Gamepass really changed my opinion.
For me all it comes down to is launch titles. If Microsoft can offer some compelling games at launch that would be much better on the seriesX than the oneX then I'll bite.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

My main concern is exclusive games because I'll never stop being a PC gamer so as far as buying a console goes Microsoft has probably lost me for good but the PC game pass has been pretty fun for me hopefully that's enough for them

 

[Bolivar687]

Not with Halo, Gears, and Forza.

Microsoft will never be on the level of Sony and Nintendo until they allow their top tier studios to work on different properties. MS actually take their devs off of new IPs and change their studio names to have them churn out IPs that already peaked more than a decade ago.

Until they change this, it's just more Xbox.

 

[GenericUser]

Never

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

They’ve been making up for Xbox one since day one when they reversed the always online requirements before the console released.

And through out the consoles lifespan they’ve made some revolutionary, consumer friendly policy adjustments. Especially in comparison to Microsofts 360 days. You needed Gold just to watch Netflix.

Xbox One as hardware was somewhat of a failure. But it changed Xbox division for the better.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Not with Halo, Gears, and Forza.

Microsoft will never be on the level of Sony and Nintendo until they allow their top tier studios to work on different properties. MS actually take their devs off of new IPs and change their studio names to have them churn out IPs that already peaked more than a decade ago.

Until they change this, it's just more Xbox.

I agree they're going to need some big new IPs or reboots and if they do, the fans need to send the right message by supporting the new IPs

 

[FacelessSamurai]

I don't see how anyone cauld laud Microsoft for doing so many things right when the reality is that this gen was a dumpster fire for Xbox fans, in particular for the early adopters who bought the original Xbox One for $500, got the weakest specs, a useless Kinect peripheral and seven years of mostly poorly reviewed first party games. You must really love the brand when after such a poor showing you're willing to give MS another shot.

I quite enjoyed the first party games, I don’t know what’s wrong with that. I was there day 1, sold to get an One S which I then sold to get an X and will be there day 1 on Series X. Got 3 years of Game Pass lined up and there’s nothing Sony could do to make me change my mind honestly. Value wise what Xbox is giving me is insane, I play every day and never had a time since 2013 where I had nothing new or interesting to play and I used to buy 2-3 games a month before Gamepass was a thing.

Also, Kinect is useful when streaming to twitch I guess. I still have mine plugged in for those rare occasions.

 

[Ellery]

I have liked everything Phil Spencer has done so far for Xbox. The only thing he needs to do now is to offer premium games that have the quality you would expect the most powerful console ever created to have.

Deep down (really no pun intended) I hope that Phil has been saving up and going guns blazing with games we would have never expected and blows us away. The fruits of the last 6 (or so) years to finally come true.

It could have been so much worse under many other people (like Don Mattrick) and the only thing left to do for Microsoft is to show that they are a game console and I believe/hope Phil can do it.

I have been called a Sony shill more than one time, but I genuinely hope for Xbox to succeed. I want to play the games. The games I don't know nothing about [yet]. The surprises.

 

[LeVictorien]

I guess best examples come from developers that are don't support current gen because their games are not possible on the PS4 or the X1.

The Medium Developer Reveals Why Game is Next-Gen Exclusive

The developer of The Medium, Bloober Team, looks set to deliver a game-changing mechanic in the upcoming title that made it a next-gen game.

gamerant.com

"Yet Wojciech has claimed that there are patented mechanics which will separate the game from its competition and forced the game, which has been in development since 2012, to be made for the next generation of consoles."

Basically the game Medium can be made on current gen systems. However if they did that they would have to change the mechanics of the game to get it to run on current gen systems. That wouldn't be fair to those buying next gen systems because their hardware isn't being taken advantage of. Also game design would suffer as a result of current gen systems. This is how supporting aging hardware can be detrimental to the experience of the game and thus can be seen as anticonsumer because are getting a lesser game on next gen systems.

It's always why at some point old systems and hardware are dropped so that game design can evolve.

I think the biggest issue with current gen systems are their outdated CPUs and extremely slow I/O systems. Not having to worry about them will allow games like Medium to do things not previously possible.

Anyways Microsoft has already confirmed that they will abandon the X1 at some point so this shouldn't be something that people will worry about for much longer.

My question was more about what is making a game anti consumer? Like if an indy dev doesn't support/need features from a console, releasing that game on that console is anti consumer? I try to understand what you mean.

 

[93xfan]

With BC, MCC working great and Gamepass, I’d say they certainly have.

It took a good while, but I’ve come around to liking MS again.

Wish Sony still cared about Socom, leaving servers up and running and bringing all of my digital PS1 and PS2 games that work on PS3 forward.

 

[Coolwhhip]

They will fuck the event up, Im 97% sure of it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

My question was more about what is making a game anti consumer? Like if an indy dev doesn't support/need features from a console, releasing that game on that console is anti consumer? I try to understand what you mean.

Oh no I was talking about the manufacturers themselves. Like if any console manufacturer decides to never stop supporting previous consoles and their games are using the old consoles as the base. That means the newer systems would be held back by the previous consoles. That's the part that's anti consumer.

Essentially what I'm trying to say is that people that spend alot of money to buying a console should have games that take advantage of the systems hardware. It's like if you bought an XSX and all you get are Xbox One games that run at 4K 60FPS and nothing else.

These consoles I/O and CPUs are far ahead of the previous generation. It would be a shame if games used Jaguar and HDDs as a base.

I don't have an issue with cross gen games as long as they don't hold back game design on next gen games.

 

[Jigga117]

I have had a blast with Xbox Since 2001 as a beta tester so nothings lost on me. I got my PC, Xbox and PS4. Wafting for next Gen and simply just a gamer. Fuck some of the sour pusses that can't just come home and enjoy what's in front of them.

 

[Warnen]

Don’t play games as much any more so I moved to just gaming on a Laptop. That said game pass on Xbox has to be the best deal in gaming. MS killed it with that.

 

[TLZ]

You can't make up for a while generation with one video before the gen even starts. Ask this question closer to mid to end of gen to properly compare.

 

[LeVictorien]

Oh no I was talking about the manufacturers themselves. Like if any console manufacturer decides to never stop supporting previous consoles and their games are using the old consoles as the base. That means the newer systems would be held back by the previous consoles. That's the part that's anti consumer.

Essentially what I'm trying to say is that people that spend alot of money to buying a console should have games that take advantage of the systems hardware. It's like if you bought an XSX and all you get are Xbox One games that run at 4K 60FPS and nothing else.

These consoles I/O and CPUs are far ahead of the previous generation. It would be a shame if games used Jaguar and HDDs as a base.

I don't have an issue with cross gen games as long as they don't hold back game design on next gen games.

I get what you mean but you shouldn't assume that's anti consumer. Also, games have been scalable for a long time already. Maybe you shouldn't hop on this "it holds back next gen" bandwagon.

 

[Xplainin]

Well, I would imagine it also depends on when those games are coming out. Hey guys, here’s Perfect Dark, Forza 8, Fable 4, Killer Instinct 4 and Jade Empire 2 all scheduled for release around Spring to Winter 2024. Enjoy and please be patient.

I would think there will be at least 2 games this year, being Forza 8 and Halo.
Thats pretty good.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

I will never see it as making up for Xbox One. I see it as simply being the better option now for the next generation. PlayStation 3 was bad for me but I never looked at PlayStation 4 as making up for it. Like Series X, I saw PS4 as simply being the better option for the current generation.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Maybe you shouldn't hop on this "it holds back next gen" bandwagon.

I wouldn't if developers didn't say that in the first place.

The Medium Developer Reveals Why Game is Next-Gen Exclusive

The developer of The Medium, Bloober Team, looks set to deliver a game-changing mechanic in the upcoming title that made it a next-gen game.

gamerant.com

"I can't tell you right now about our most important feature, because we will have to save it for later. But the gameplay mechanic built around those two worlds couldn't be fully realized on current-gen hardware."

I'm guessing the games relying on SSDs and the huge CPU upgrade will not be possible on current gen.

 

[LeVictorien]

I wouldn't if developers didn't say that in the first place.

The Medium Developer Reveals Why Game is Next-Gen Exclusive

The developer of The Medium, Bloober Team, looks set to deliver a game-changing mechanic in the upcoming title that made it a next-gen game.

gamerant.com

"I can't tell you right now about our most important feature, because we will have to save it for later. But the gameplay mechanic built around those two worlds couldn't be fully realized on current-gen hardware."

I'm guessing the games relying on SSDs and the huge CPU upgrade will not be possible on current gen.

Making a game solely for next gen because it wouldn't work on current gen is one thing.

Saying games that don't cater to newer hardware is anti consumer is another.

The rethoric was that MS was going the anti consumer route for supporting XB1 while next gen will be out. This is stupid.

 

[Xplainin]

You can't make up for a while generation with one video before the gen even starts. Ask this question closer to mid to end of gen to properly compare.

I'm talking about all the areas they stuffed up in.
1. Tv, tv, tv and Kinect.
They ditched both of these.

2. No used games.
They cut that shit out and now mirror Sony.

3. Underpowered Console.
Since the XOX, and continuing next gen, they have the most powerful console.

4. Lack of first party games.
They went out and invested in new studios and now have a similar amount of studios as Sony does.

5. Inept leadership.
Don out, Phil in. This has been a big positive move.

6. Xbox One was $100 dearer than PS4.
Seems pretty sure MS will match or beat any Sony price point.

7. The Xbox One released with poor tools and an outdated API.
The XSX is releasing with the newest DX12 API day one.

So we can still question what the first party games will actually look like, and if this next reveal shows as good or better than Sony's, then what else would MS need to do to fix the issues they launched the Xbox One with?
I think they would have addressed them all.

 

[Wimbledon]

Since the mid gen refresh, MS has gotten the power crown back, both with the XOX over the Pro, and the XSX over PS5. They have ditched for good the TV, DRM, no used games, always on disasters. They have smashed back compate out of the park.
They have increased their first party studios and exclusives.
They have rolled out Game Pass for the masses.
They have an excellent communicator as their public face in Phil.
I'm also pretty sure MS will release the XSX at the same price as PS5, unlike last gen when they were $100 dearer.

So with all this in mind, and if they come off of a successful game showing, has MS done enough to wipe away the demons?
If not, what are the last remaining things they need to address before launch?

I mean the show can be a blast, the games still need to play well.

Its not so much what they need to address before launch for me, its once it does launch. The games need to be fun, compelling, and leave an impact on me.

I buy Halo cause i love playing halo, but beyond that series, I didn't really see anything else compelling like the halo series to play.

While i haven't played Uncharted, last of us, or God of war, I can see exactly why they are the premier games for PlayStation.

What i want to see and play is a game just as compelling as Halo is too me. Thats what i want MS to bring to the table.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Making a game solely for next gen because it wouldn't work on current gen is one thing.

Well some people can see that as being anti consumer. Because you can always change a game to work on older systems. If that happens with a next gen game then it's unfair to those who invested in the superior platform.

Anyways if this doesn't happen on any platform I'm ok with it.

 

[bumleforce]

It doesn't matter what xbox does there will always be people who hate it. i dont worry if ps5 sells more I dont worry if people dont or do like it. I just want it to have great games that look amazing

 

[Tiamat2san]

I’m still mad at him

Even if he’s not in Microsoft anymore.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

#1 I loved Kinect and it was something that differentiated the XBX from Sony . It was the Forcing of Kinect on people and saying they could not turn it off that pissed people off. Now they have over-corrected and ditched it which was the wrong move.

#3 The power of the console was never a problem , it became an issue because of the $100 price difference
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#4 Its not the amount of games its the Quality. Lets see if that improves this gen

#6 The $100 was because of the forced Kinect ,


The one thing keeping me from returning to the XBX more then any other is that they have become less innovative and less willing to bring something new to the table like they did with Kinect. The question I would ask is what makes the XBX stand apart from PC.

I'm talking about all the areas they stuffed up in.
1. Tv, tv, tv and Kinect.
They ditched both of these.

2. No used games.
They cut that shit out and now mirror Sony.

3. Underpowered Console.
Since the XOX, and continuing next gen, they have the most powerful console.

4. Lack of first party games.
They went out and invested in new studios and now have a similar amount of studios as Sony does.

5. Inept leadership.
Don out, Phil in. This has been a big positive move.

6. Xbox One was $100 dearer than PS4.
Seems pretty sure MS will match or beat any Sony price point.

7. The Xbox One released with poor tools and an outdated API.
The XSX is releasing with the newest DX12 API day one.

So we can still question what the first party games will actually look like, and if this next reveal shows as good or better than Sony's, then what else would MS need to do to fix the issues they launched the Xbox One with?
I think they would have addressed them all.

 

[Xplainin]

#1 I loved Kinect and it was something that differentiated the XBX from Sony . It was the Forcing of Kinect on people and saying they could not turn it off that pissed people off. Now they have over-corrected and ditched it which was the wrong move.

#3 The power of the console was never a problem , it became an issue because of the $100 price difference
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#4 Its not the amount of games its the Quality. Lets see if that improves this gen

#6 The $100 was because of the forced Kinect ,


The one thing keeping me from returning to the XBX more then any other is that they have become less innovative and less willing to bring something new to the table like they did with Kinect. The question I would ask is what makes the XBX stand apart from PC.

Value For money makes the XSX stand apart from a PC.
MS lost its way when they forgot that it's about the games.
They lost their way when they tried to make things different.
For every person like you, I gather there was 10 who felt the opposite to you, and it's a numbers game at the end of the day.

 

[Mercenary09]

They missed an entire generation basically. They barely had any exclusives worth playing on the Xbox One the past 7 years. How does them showing any number of games for the Series X make up for that? "Hey everyone here's some great looking games for the next $500 console you're going to buy. Just ignore the fact that the last time you spent $500 on our console we basically gave you nothing to play on it."

 

[Mercenary09]

One show doesn't make up for a pathetic generation and don't forget the second half of the 360 gen was bad too.

Yup. Second half of 360 is when it turned into Halo, Gears, and Forza. That's when they lost having me use the Xbox as my primary system. Haven't done it since.

 

[Xplainin]

They missed an entire generation basically. They barely had any exclusives worth playing on the Xbox One the past 7 years. How does them showing any number of games for the Series X make up for that? "Hey everyone here's some great looking games for the next $500 console you're going to buy. Just ignore the fact that the last time you spent $500 on our console we basically gave you nothing to play on it."

Its Not just about them showing some good games, its about the whole turn around.
I think they have addressed all their issues, and the last thing they need to do is show these new games, running on the XSX.
If that also looks the goods, then I think they are ready to rock the next Gen.

 

[Mercenary09]

Its Not just about them showing some good games, its about the whole turn around.
I think they have addressed all their issues, and the last thing they need to do is show these new games, running on the XSX.
If that also looks the goods, then I think they are ready to rock the next Gen.

I mean that's fine but the point of this topic is does it make up for them wasting an entire generation basically and the answer to that is no. Nothing they do in the next generation makes up for this poor one they just had. It just makes it so those who buy their next console don't suffer like those of us who bought the Xbox One.

 

[Xplainin]

I mean that's fine but the point of this topic is does it make up for them wasting an entire generation basically and the answer to that is no. Nothing they do in the next generation makes up for this poor one they just had. It just makes it so those who buy their next console don't suffer like those of us who bought the Xbox One.

History will show that MS stuffed up this gen, just like history will show the Cell was a mistake.
But because Sony screwed up the PS3, that didn't mean they wouldn't make amends with the PS4, which they did.