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Everytime someone says this while actually meaning to say "I couldn't care less", God kills a kitten..and a puppy.I could care
Don't kill kittens and puppies.
Everytime someone says this while actually meaning to say "I couldn't care less", God kills a kitten..and a puppy.I could care
I’ve been in multiple positions where depending on the situation we worked harder than usual. Only in video games do people put up this kind of portrayal like it’s slavery.
Do you have a quote of them saying this?Going to have to disagree with this. No one forced them to fucking make those statements about crunch trying to fucking virtue signal. So clearly this about face, 180 and them clearly doing crunch when they stated otherwise more so has to do with their comments prior to this.
Thats what happens when you go out of your way to pretend to be godly and can do no wrong. They should have just left it alone and stopped making those dumbass statements. That MTX story only went as far as it did because they are the fucking ones talking about no MTX and "we leave greed to others" etc and then like "also btw we do partake in da MTX, let us explain".
Who put a gun to their head from the media and told them to make these statements that clearly contradict each other?
Also... no company should allow their PR dept. to boast about treating its workers a certain way... and then not following through.
If you say one thing, and do another (even if you think you have good reason), you should expect criticism.
CDPR’s PR dept. just can’t stand it when gamers are critical of their company. This is something that’s been with them since the very first Witcher game when they perma-banned anyone who brought to attention how completely unfinished the game was.
Is this the reason for your anti CDPR obsession?
Also are you buying cyberpunk?
I like how you did a 180° and moonwalked away.Yes, they perma-banned me because I was on their forum saying that the load times were atrocious. This was over a decade ago.
Since then I’ve watched this company put spin after spin on their own shady tactics. I was seriously surprised that so many gamers were ‘caught out’ by The Witcher 3 downgrade fiasco. I saw that one coming ten miles away.
Will I be buying Cyberpunk 2077?
Absolutely fucking not. As a way of protesting CDPR’s abusive treatment of its own workers I’ll be boycotting the game. Though, actually, now that I think about it, to support the employees, yes, I think I will buy the game. It’ll be a sacrifice, for sure - but I’ll do it for the workers!
Yeah I'll say it again.
If the employees are getting paid well overtime, this shit is game journo drama bait.
If you know mandatory overtime (with overtime pay) is part of the job description, it's on you to accept it or find another job that doesn't have mandatory overtime.
No wonder we have Trump in office or people thinking Covid19 is not real when I see some of the comments in this thread...
Crunch is NOT acceptable in any circumstance.
Crunch is the result or mismanagement or lack or resources, or both. So no way we give crunch a pass. Never.
That double standard to justify crunch when it's a beloved developer like CDPR or Naughty dog doing is despicable.
North-american very sensible, outraged folks should move to Poland. Then we can talk.
You feel you can state what is and isnt right for countries that couldnt be more different than your own.
No wonder you elect fascist clowns for presidents.
I am a software dev (not in gaming) and we always crunch when a project nears its end. Its normal. Do I like it? I dunno. I don't give a fuck. We usually get 70% of the pay when doing overtime and a 100% nighttime bonus + additional vacation days.
Those companies aren't idiots. They don't want to work their developers to death. You usually get huge incentives for crunching. At least where I work.
No wonder we have Trump in office or people thinking Covid19 is not real when I see some of the comments in this thread...
Crunch is NOT acceptable in any circumstance. Crunch is the result or mismanagement or lack or resources, or both. So no way we give crunch a pass. Never.
That double standard to justify crunch when it's a beloved developer like CDPR or Naughty dog doing is despicable.
No wonder we have Trump in office or people thinking Covid19 is not real when I see some of the comments in this thread...
Crunch is NOT acceptable in any circumstance. Crunch is the result or mismanagement or lack or resources, or both. So no way we give crunch a pass. Never.
That double standard to justify crunch when it's a beloved developer like CDPR or Naughty dog doing is despicable.
Exactly.Yeah I'll say it again.
If the employees are getting paid well overtime, this shit is game journo drama bait.
If you know mandatory overtime (with overtime pay) is part of the job description, it's on you to accept it or find another job that doesn't have mandatory overtime.
And we’re done here.
Good luck being successful in life without crunch o7.No wonder we have Trump in office or people thinking Covid19 is not real when I see some of the comments in this thread...
Crunch is NOT acceptable in any circumstance. Crunch is the result or mismanagement or lack or resources, or both. So no way we give crunch a pass. Never.
That double standard to justify crunch when it's a beloved developer like CDPR or Naughty dog doing is despicable.
Good luck being successful in life without crunch o7.
No wonder we have Trump in office or people thinking Covid19 is not real when I see some of the comments in this thread...
Crunch is NOT acceptable in any circumstance. Crunch is the result or mismanagement or lack or resources, or both. So no way we give crunch a pass. Never.
That double standard to justify crunch when it's a beloved developer like CDPR or Naughty dog doing is despicable.
Cause I can fucking guarantee you that all innovations, or anything beyond mediocrity, is not developed by those content to work 9-5 and not a moment more.
That's dumb mentality.
It's not because crunch has been tolerated and enforced that we should accept it.
With that mindset, slavery would still be legalized...
Crunch is management failure, plain and simple.
Where does crunch REALLY come from?
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Four things -- human error, terra incognita of creativity and innovation, and market pressure -- result in SHIT HAPPENING when they collide with deadlines.
Either you didn't draft a reasonable production schedule or you didn't manage your people properly to meet that schedule.
As far as this being an ideological attack on CDPR, sure it is, from people whose ideology doesn't include treating their employees like shit.
And all of those can be handled with better planning up front. And when even after all of that you can't meet the deadlines you've set perhaps beating the employees isn't the only option on the table? Just perhaps?Four reasons, 4, f-o-u-r, not one.
And yeah beating your wife now and then is fine as long as you bought her a nice house.Mandating 6 extra days of paid overtime plus rewarding employees with 10% of the profits is treating employees like shit?
Everything can be handled with better planning up front. That's like saying the way to reduce deaths is to ensure a higher % of people stay alive.And all of those can be handled with better planning up front.
And all of those can be handled with better planning up front.
Everything can be handled with better planning up front. That's like saying the way to reduce deaths is to ensure a higher % of people stay alive.
Crunch is management failure, if we want to get lost in theory and semantics, but it is to the benefit of employees. Management would love to cut costs and avoid the overtime.
This is a noteworthy post in that you’ve managed to alienate yourself against both sides.
If a big AAA game is coming out, I think everyone SHOULD expect crunch, unless it’s Nintendo, they seem to take their sweet time.
yeah, some people need to go back and read stories about famous game creators and how they stayed up all night, smoking cigs, drinking pot after pot of coffee, staring at that crt monitor to tweak yet another tiny aspect of the game. Crunch is at the heart of many classics. Not only in videogames, but in all corners of entertainment. Writers are fondly praised for their alcohol and drug addictions as a show of "dedication" to the craft. If anything, the spirit of crunch is animated by the audience, not by the bosses or managers, who would love to come in under budget and pocket a promotion + bonus for work well done.Yes, not having cancer is preferable to having cancer. What do you do when you have cancer?
And you didn't address the other points.
If I remember correctly, It's been reported that overtime is paid 50% above regular time. Now, people who won't stop about how CDPR is treating devs "like shit" surely can do basic arithmetic.
And all of those can be handled with better planning up front. And when even after all of that you can't meet the deadlines you've set perhaps beating the employees isn't the only option on the table? Just perhaps?
And yeah beating your wife now and then is fine as long as you bought her a nice house.
Who TF is this weirdo?
Jim Sterling. From what I hear, going slightly off the rails in the last few weeks.Who TF is this weirdo?
I don't get why one particular industry get singled out when this is a thing in any job.
Some fuck off who doesn’t have shit to do all day but complain about how hard people have to work because lazy fucks like him don’t understand that conceptWho TF is this weirdo?
Who TF is this weirdo?
No wonder we have Trump in office or people thinking Covid19 is not real when I see some of the comments in this thread...
Crunch is NOT acceptable in any circumstance. Crunch is the result or mismanagement or lack or resources, or both. So no way we give crunch a pass. Never.
That double standard to justify crunch when it's a beloved developer like CDPR or Naughty dog doing is despicable.
He's certainly not staying a minute longer than necessary to put his drivel out.I think Jason needs to address some shit and understand that there are cultural differences in how studios are run and treat talent.
The dumb fucks have no issue buying food at the grocery store that came from a farmer working 16 hour days 7 days a week.What the fuck does Trump or Covid have to do with a discussion about "crunch" and its complexities?
Give me a fucking break. I guess literally EVERY significant or meaningful thing that has EVER been created in the world was the result of mismanagement or lack of resources, right? Cause I can fucking guarantee you that all innovations, or anything beyond mediocrity, is not developed by those content to work 9-5 and not a moment more.
So.....if it went to local union ballot, it still would have passed. Interesting, very interesting. Very, very interesting. Where are you now Jason? Where are these facts in your story?