LisaMariaMartin
Banned
It's not optimal but launch allocations will sell out regardless. It doesn't really matter unless they don't have anything for mid 2021.
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Ryan McCaffrey on Unlocked: There is nothing here (XSX launch lineup) that says I need to spend $500 dollars on XSX. Launch games
As great as those guys did they did not build up the studios like needed to they wasted resources on stupid exclusive deals. Hate to break it to you but the 360 was very powerful for when it came out a full year before the ps3 so power, power, power. Things are going just fine now they have a real budget and rebuilding the first party studios. Best spending on studios than wasteful timed exclusives.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Nobody needs anything. Anybody buying a Xbox Series is buying because they want a new exciting toy, and that's awesome.
CrysisFreak
Banned
I hope Ryan doesn't get fired from the Xbox marketing division now tbh lads
I'm already on record for saying this but it is worth repeating: Do we get outraged every time a new graphics card launches, if it doesn't have 10+ games specifically designed to run on it and only it at launch?
Or, are we simply happy that it runs our current games waaaaay better than our old graphics card? (This is where I sit).
Sure, it's disappointing Microsoft couldn't sex up this launch with some new games. I'm disappointed in them too. Your favourite games will look and play better, and of course load much faster. The new stuff will come. I'd rather have this new console than spend another year with what we have.
Or, are we simply happy that it runs our current games waaaaay better than our old graphics card? (This is where I sit).
Sure, it's disappointing Microsoft couldn't sex up this launch with some new games. I'm disappointed in them too. Your favourite games will look and play better, and of course load much faster. The new stuff will come. I'd rather have this new console than spend another year with what we have.
Maybe It's Medicine?
Member
Reminds me that of last gen when I bought a ps4. I ducked around with Warframe, was very disappointed by Shadow fall and nothing. Like it was so bad I actually bought an NBA game despite not caring about sports and shit Need for Speed game.
Meanwhile the Xbox One immediately had games I was more interested in playing like Dead Rising 3 and Ryse. I still got a ps4 because I knew that the pipeline held games I wanted more than those early launch One titles and I was right.
I'm also going to make the statement that I'm right in saying the Xbox Series X will eventually have a stronger exclusive library than the PS5, being someone who enjoyed Bethesda titles on my ps4 more than the first party exclusives.
And game pass is more compelling than Demon's souls or miles morales in the long run.. Only now that the ps5 has a couple strong launch titles has the narrative changed. If it didn't, everyone would still buy a ps5. Quit being hypocrites.
Meanwhile the Xbox One immediately had games I was more interested in playing like Dead Rising 3 and Ryse. I still got a ps4 because I knew that the pipeline held games I wanted more than those early launch One titles and I was right.
I'm also going to make the statement that I'm right in saying the Xbox Series X will eventually have a stronger exclusive library than the PS5, being someone who enjoyed Bethesda titles on my ps4 more than the first party exclusives.
And game pass is more compelling than Demon's souls or miles morales in the long run.. Only now that the ps5 has a couple strong launch titles has the narrative changed. If it didn't, everyone would still buy a ps5. Quit being hypocrites.
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Damian black
Member
Nvidia got shit for not having Rtx ready titles for launch and tbh most of the time when you buy new pc hardware, you'll be playing the same games better. Most people upgrade just because of that reason.
For consoles it's different. The whole point of a new console was to launch it with new games that somewhat showed their capabilities.
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DaleinCalgary
Member
I'll agree it's mostly poop but since I skipped the Xbox one generation I will be playing old games on gamepass I never have before and flight simulator has to be coming out sometime. But MS is trying to fix their biggest weakness in exclusives, it will be a couple years though until that pays off.
Phrixotrichus
Banned
MS does not have a single next gen exclusive system seller at launch and Sony only has DS.
Pretty desolate on both fronts imho.
Pretty desolate on both fronts imho.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Phil said this in June. Selling tons of new consoles and getting the biggest install base is the way Sony and Nintendo do business. MS has for YEARS now pushed to get games on just about every platform they don't have to pay someone else to get their games on. That includes PS, cell phones, AND consoles. Plus Game Pass is the thing they are selling now. If you don't want an XSX or XSS don't buy one. Getting game pass on PC or xCloud make MS happy too. I'm surprised Ryan didn't know MS is playing the long game getting Game Pass subs up and selling consoles is not the focus. If no one signs up for Game Pass then MS failed.Phil Spencer said:
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This line is gonna age like milk.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I get your point, but you should get why a console that acts as a PC upgrade might upset console players which expect, shock, the console model where new HW is met by games pushing it and not like buying a new GPU on a PC?
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Those third party titles are also on PS5.
What people need to understand is that they need to sell consumers on a product that is NOT available on the other platform and this is why exclusives are important.
DavidGzz
Member
I'm getting both consoles but neither has a great exclusive launch lineup. Even on PS5 most games are either cross platform or on PC like Godfall. Game Pass and 3rd party games for my XSX, Spiderman and Demon's Souls for my PS5. Good enough for me, I'm psyched! Cyberpunk, Demons, Spiderman, 120fps Halo MCC, Valhalla, and Watchdogs Legion in the same month plus all kinds of new console smells. Quit yer bitching!
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Xbox is only launching this year because MS didn't want to give PlayStation 5 a year head start. It's quite clear.
DaleinCalgary
Member
Nah, MS mostly has the hardware all ready and might be a bit late in the sdk department but the unit is good to go. The problem is as usual the first party games being that they usually don't have.
This is usual XBOX, there is no shocking news.
It depends where you put the goalposts.
PSNow has way more games to stream than GP, and is cheaper. Downside being you can't download the PS3 games.
How many people defending GP got in on a £1 deal, or gamed the system to get 3 years of it for substantially cheaper than it should have cost?
Day and date MS 1sr party is deffinately a boon, but I'll be honest most of those I wouldn't buy day 1 to begin with. Sony's IP do sell, and even the divisive ones like TLOU2 still sell well.
Backwards Compatability also does a lot to value-add to GP. Without that GP would be a lot less attractive.
Personally I think if Sony ever got downloads sorted for all PSNow games, we'd suddenly hear a lot less from GP stans, as it would be outclassed.
reinking
Gold Member
Those will be on other consoles too. That was his whole point. There is nothing that says you have to spend $500 right now to play game A, B or C. You will be $500 richer and still be able to play those games without a Series X|S. That being said, I will be $500 poorer playing those games on the Series X.
Thirty7ven
Banned
They don't seem to be making many HW units, are taking a massive bath on them, games are behind, direct storage is 2021....
Sure it's good to go, but in a world where PlayStation 5 doesn't launch, they don't launch this year.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
I would say it’s a newer concept but pc has been doing it forever.
If you want to play the holiday games with better graphics you can upgrade your hardware if not then don’t and still play those same games.
The tag line should be:
“Xbox, you DON’T have to spend $500 on a new console or you can, either way your games go with you!”
If you want to play the holiday games with better graphics you can upgrade your hardware if not then don’t and still play those same games.
The tag line should be:
“Xbox, you DON’T have to spend $500 on a new console or you can, either way your games go with you!”
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DaleinCalgary
Member
This is just about every console launch.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Keep making excuses for them, they need it.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Can anything you say be taken seriously with that tag of yours?
MastaKiiLA
Member
People keep talking about DS, because MM is cross-gen, but MM looks fucking amazing. Mile Morales will almost certainly be the best-selling next-gen game this winter. At least of the exclusives. There's no doubt going to be a bunch of knobs buying COD, FIFA, and Madden. I'll personally be throwing my hat into the NBA2k knob arena as well.
Anyway, I wouldn't call the launch lineup for the PS5 desolate. I want MM, DS, NBAk, FIFA, and Sackboy. Maybe Destruction Allstars and Godfall, if they're good. 4 of those games won't be available anywhere else. Previous launches I'd be lucky to find 2 games that I'd want. So the PS5 lineup seems fine to me, and there are more exclusives already coming through Spring.
Hostile_18
Banned
Man how can you not be excited about next gen. Day 1 we have
Both
Assassins Creed Valhalla
Cyberpunk
Watchdogs London
Enhanced titles.
Full last gen backwards compatibility.
PS5:
Spiderman Miles Morales
Demon Souls
XBSX:
Enhanced legacy games
Gamepass
All this in the middle of a global pandemic that has pretty much wrote off 2020.
Some peoples expectations are far too high. Last gen it was pretty much Shadowfall and Black Flag then nothing of note till Bloodborne.
Both
Assassins Creed Valhalla
Cyberpunk
Watchdogs London
Enhanced titles.
Full last gen backwards compatibility.
PS5:
Spiderman Miles Morales
Demon Souls
XBSX:
Enhanced legacy games
Gamepass
All this in the middle of a global pandemic that has pretty much wrote off 2020.
Some peoples expectations are far too high. Last gen it was pretty much Shadowfall and Black Flag then nothing of note till Bloodborne.
Raekwon26
Member
FIFA Knob right here.
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onesvenus
Member
That "at this moment" you added to the sentence is key. We don't know what's the current state. In fact we only know that some developers said it was easier to work with ps5 than with xsx some months ago. We don't know if that makes it better.
You were saying there were no games with RT at launch. I gave you an example. If you had tried to be informed instead of spreading FUD like this you'd have seen that there are multiple games (not none, not one) that are said to be using RT at launch on the XSX.
Have we seen those? No. Will the Spiderman:MM RT implementation be the reference for some time? It might.
But let's not say things that are not true.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
same as PS5 what's making you buy that day one? like I said MM can be bought on PS4 and I am a massive fan of Spiderman on my PS4, dark souls looks good but its a game many people have played many times. yeah it will be good but not for me a system seller like MM could of been if it weren't cross gen
Killer8
Member
Launch is underwhelming. You can tell Microsoft were really riding on Halo Infinite being the center piece. But they were in a catch 22 situation. If they released it in that state, it would seriously hurt the credibility of Series X as the most powerful console - much more than it missing launch in my opinion. "a bad game is bad forever".
That said, it's not like the games are going to be bad. I'm getting Dirt 5, Yakuza: Like a Dragon, Assassin's Creed Valhalla, and will pick up Call of Duty later that week. All of these are going to be fun, even if none genuinely impress (except maybe AC, the latest deep dive looked fantastic). Add on all of the game pass stuff and patches for games like Gears 5, Halo and Forza Horizon 4, and there's no shortage of things to play.
That said, it's not like the games are going to be bad. I'm getting Dirt 5, Yakuza: Like a Dragon, Assassin's Creed Valhalla, and will pick up Call of Duty later that week. All of these are going to be fun, even if none genuinely impress (except maybe AC, the latest deep dive looked fantastic). Add on all of the game pass stuff and patches for games like Gears 5, Halo and Forza Horizon 4, and there's no shortage of things to play.
What's Sony's then they have the best studios in the world and a remaster and dlc is it from those studios. Rag on the B team all you want but what happened to the all star team. Neither is 9-9-99 neither has a Mario 64 so it is buying either for fun and the future.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Killer8
Member
Don't forget the PS Plus collection on PS5. Plenty to play in there as an extra on top of the PS5 games (and I doubt people have played everything on the list).
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Personally? Big Souls fan, so Demon's Souls got me to pull the trigger on the pre-order. Will also probably pick up Miles Morales, as enjoyed the first game. I might even dip back into CoD, as that looks pretty decent too.
Much better than Ps4 launch. Much better. I tried my hardest to enjoy Killzone and Resogun... I know I'll have a much better time this time around as Souls will be amazing.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Xbox one did have the better launch games compared to PS4 and its just switched this time, shame halo didn't make it but better to delay than release it as it was
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah it's only more powerful and 50% smaller in form factor... If that's not out-engineered then I don't know what is.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Hence why I'm buying a Ps5 now and not an XsX.
FrankWza
Member
Medium is launch window. In that case you can add ratchet for ps5 too.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
If you're arguments are still coming down to teraflops and the size of the box, you're scrabbling around with nothing.
Neither of those things means the XsX will run games better than Ps5.
And until we see game comparisons, your claims about the XsX being more powerful will only be believed by people who are already XBox fans. Nobody else. Which is the majority.
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
Both consoles don't have much games day 1 but they will improve the performance for current gen games which is a good enough reason for some people to buy at launch.
With over a billion dollars spent to acquire studios, MS will still have the problem of having no AAA exclusive until early 2022 which is why they are pushing xcloud and game pass so hard.
With over a billion dollars spent to acquire studios, MS will still have the problem of having no AAA exclusive until early 2022 which is why they are pushing xcloud and game pass so hard.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
I am waiting for ps5 personally, I aint a massive fan of sony games, yeah its just me. I prefer online multiplayer stuff. I do love the Spiderman game though. as much as I liked the batman games
HaveButOneLife
Banned
If this gen is anything to go by, the exclusives are the only real things that can take advantage of the full potential of a console's hardware. We've seen what devs can do on the PS4 already looking better than most games out there, just imagine how good they'll look on PS5.
Quality > quantity. It has Spider-Man and Demon's Souls, it's already the best launch lineup since the PS2.
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Ultra Violento
Member
I mean, gamepass is pretty great and all but I'm not spending that much money for a new console and even more on top for the gp service without some exclusive games to entice me.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah only TF...
CPU, GPU, and RAM. Combined with the size of the box, indeed. That's also part of engineering, you know. Getting everything in a proper form factor. All of that together tells you the box is better engineered.
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Deleted member 740922
Unconfirmed Member
IGN is credible this week then?
The way I see it I am getting both but I save money getting the xbox first since I have gamepass. I'll pick up a PS5 slim and any exclusives I missed won't be 70 dollars anymore.