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[PropellerEar]

no its an option you can download so you dont have to waste SSD space with things you dont want/Need

Getting the best version of the game should be default. (Specially on consoles)
How much disk space can excluding RT save?
RT shouldn't add new data heavy assets, or am I completely mistaken?

 

[Radical_3d]

A win for Xbox this time as 60fps will be the most used mode.

This. Any way to spin this around is just bananas.

 

[On Demand]

It’s obvious those few performance dips in PS5 60fps mode are isolated ones. They don’t happen throughout the whole game and on average. See other comparison videos. Don’t know why Xbox fanboys are using that as some proof of SX version is better.

You can’t ignore the higher frame rate 120fps mode either. That mode is more telling of performance.

 

[manzo]

Oh fuck, I want thelastword and Riky in a Thunderdome, two idiots in, one out. That would be a -50% of stupidity in this forum.

This generation will provide even more bloodbaths than the 360/PS3 generation did.

It's playing out almost exact opposite of the 360/PS3 generation. 360 games were generally better, until PS3 caught on and surpassed in the end. PS5 is now generally better while Series X will surpass it after they can get the juices out of it.

 

[Redlight]

For those who say DF isn’t biased towards Xbox, please explain the sudden shift off energy and attitude in this video?

No curiosity, no questioning, just acceptance. I wonder what was different in this video?

The kicker? Their bias just made them miss a bug. Just like their bias made a bug the most important aspect of their Dirt 5 analysis.

"I do not like what Microsoft has brought to the industry and think we'd be better off if they had never entered it. I can throw that aside when writing and present thoughts free of my dislike for them, however, but reading into it as if I actually PREFER the Xbox?! Pure madness." John Linneman

So very biased toward Xbox.

These guys have their personal preferences but try not to let those influence their coverage. I doubt you could say the same.

 

[Riky]

Has your ps5 being updated to latest firmware? Would be interested to know if the new firmware was causing DF spotty frames rates

Could be the downclocking, rearing its head earlier in the gen than anticipated.

 

[Md Ray]

 

[DForce]

Edit.

Late lol

 

[Md Ray]

Edit.

Late lol

You're fast. But I'm faster.

 

[anothertech]

When 60/rt mode is 99% like for like it's called parity. Not "we win"

Especially when one box has 20 more CUs and costs 100$ more.

That's in no way shape or form a win for anyone.

When the box that costs $100 less out performs the other in fps mode to the degree it's noticeable, well that's just laughable.

 

[On Demand]

I still remember when Cerny gave his talk in March and everyone ran with the headline of "OMG PS5 has less FLOPS" and the Xbox was crowned the power king.

People were saying the XSX would be the 4K console and PS5 would be 1440p. Many even seemed to think the Xbox would have higher frame rate options but the PS5 would not be able to offer the same modes, etc.

Now if the PS5 drops 5 frames for 2 seconds the XSX power crown is "redeemed".

This shit is funny. These consoles are basically equal on power, clearly.

PS5 has the better new controller, better exclusive games, VR, and the $400 DE option. Xbox has Game Pass, older back compat gens, and the announced Bethesda acquisition deal.

Pick an ecosystem, controller, game library, etc... but don't pretend there's a meaningful difference in gaming performance between the 2.

Yeah where is the 12TF “full RDNA2” performance? Shouldn’t the SX version be running at native 4K and not dynamic resolution? The ray tracing should be better as well with all that amazing unlimited power. Why is the last minute designed PS5 running the game equally and some areas better?

Like I said, parity is not a win for SX in any comparison. Not after all that boasting for a year.

 

[phil_t98]

Is that the new "who?" with more words.......Vgtech has been providing receipts since 2014.....Averages, Mins, Max, Torn Frames, longer gameplay scenes, in like for like runs, with no biased opinions and guesstimations for over 6 years now.......They have always had resolutions right, everytime...DF has often corrected their faceoffs after Vgtech's data has been proven bonafide time and time again......On resolution: Anthem, Redout, Sea of Thieves and a multitude more.....They provide more accurate dynamic resolution highs and lows and pretty much every data piece has receipts, the evidence is in the video, you see the minimums, the max and the tearing they refer to in the video.....No opinions, no "dude trust me, it's a locked 60" or "the PS5 version is worse trust me"

What you get with Vgtech is hard data, nobody can argue against that, that's why their analyses hold more weight because everything is scientific instead of fromtheasstific....

I bet you if Vgtech shows the Series X beating the PS5 by a huge margin, you would be quite familiar with them and call out their praises based on all I've stated above...Let's just stop the hypocrisy, this is not helping XBOX....According to you guys XBOX should be pulling 50 frames ahead at 4K over PS5.....Now it's the tools, and now you guys try to downplay scientific data over opinion. AT some point you have to realize, that this will only hurt your brand, stop making excuses against real and tangible evidence...


Well, I called it.....PS5 has more light sources...Lighting and IQ pops much more.....Effects are better, textures pop more....I can bet you if this was reversed. DF would be as eagled eye as they come......Their eagle eye has selective optical zoom.....


There were many 120 TV's before VRR, they cannot display at 4K 120Hz, but they can display at 1080p 120Hz, so even if you don't get max rez, you can play the mode.......VRR is only a feature on HDMI spec 2.1, with a max resolution of 4K native asper spec...

Go read the Vgtech thread, look up the differences in effects, when he fires the guns, it's right there in the video.....These effects are definitely GPU tasking and PS5 holds much higher over Series X in the 120Hz mode with better effects.

The lighting is more defined on PS5, more intensity...If you look at the picture I posted in this thread comparing the woman behind the door, you can read the sticker to her left much better on PS5, there's better clarity and the scenes is lit with more clarity because of the superior lighting...

ATD is all we need....You see NX has not even done his analysis and he is already reporting issues in this game, which no one else has mentioned. The more tech savvy in this thread have already pin pointed differences and clear as day bugs on the PS5 version....Looking forward to seeing the differences in graphical quality and that cutscene bug.....It would be interesting to know how it crops up......

People want to know the differences in an analysis, no one wants to go to an analysis where people are trying to obscure results and being selectively eagle eyed.....We want to see the differences, we want like for like gameplay coverage and hard stats....No one goes to analyses where the first thing you hear is "They are all excellent versions". Don't try to sell the product, that's Activision's job...Try to pinpoint the differences, anomalies and bugs just as they are......No sugar coating, just give us the raw breakdown everytime.....It's like going to a pageant and saying Roseanne Barr is just as beautiful as Kate Beckinsale, you are not Roseanne Barr's husband, it's a pageant where people judge beauty, go in....

so its ok to play the game at a lower resolution to fit you agenda? there aint many 120hz 4k tvs but it fits your agenda to play it at 1080p lol

 

[assurdum]

Ah we've moved onto the anger phase, I see.

Sure. But when the anger is in the Xbox side , tools, bug, early development. When ps5 has problematic performance, nothing to see here, weaker hardware, Xbox supreme race won, don't feel upset people, just accept it, inferiority everywhere.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Oh fuck, I want thelastword and Riky in a Thunderdome, two idiots in, one out. That would be a -50% of stupidity in this forum.

This generation will provide even more bloodbaths than the 360/PS3 generation did.

It's playing out almost exact opposite of the 360/PS3 generation. 360 games were generally better, until PS3 caught on and surpassed in the end. PS5 is now generally better while Series X will surpass it after they can get the juices out of it.

That only makes sense if MS actually produce the 1st party games that Sony did for PS3. And the existence of series S would always throttle that goal. And Xbox has a known history of decreasing output of games within a console generation, unless someone can prove me wrong?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Could be the downclocking, rearing its head earlier in the gen than anticipated.

Or you know as mentioned by other sites it could be bug that gets triggered when u do certain thing at that specific scene?? Since if it was gpu downclock it would not happen on exact same location sometime in a cutscene and would happen many places?

No, its better you and logandi spread more fake fud about ps5 which goes hand in hand with lack of your technical knowledge.

 

[Handy Fake]

@NXGamer I noticed frame rate drop when the chopper cinematics play with woods trying to hunt down this dude in a side mission in Mexico(takes place in the night in a highway). Noticed that the game's manual recording feature was enabled when the frame rate dropped. I restarted the mission disabling 4K capture internally and the frame rate held up at 60fps!

That would certainly tie in with it being an IO read/write bug. I'll lay my cards on the table and say that a simple patch will fix it.

 

[Riky]

When 60/rt mode is 99% like for like it's called parity. Not "we win"

Especially when one box has 20 more CUs and costs 100$ more.

That's in no way shape or form a win for anyone.

When the box that costs $100 less out performs the other in fps mode to the degree it's noticeable, well that's just laughable.

I'd say dropping from 60fps to 41fps is pretty noticeable.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Sure. But when the anger is in the Xbox side , tools, bug, early development. When ps5 has problematic performance, nothing to see here, weaker hardware, Xbox supreme race won, don't feel upset people, just accept it, inferiority everywhere.

This is such a bizarre rant. You really are NeoGAFs old man yells at cloud.

There's no "problematic performance" on PS5s side, there is an exceedingly minimal FPS bonus to Series X in 60hz RT mode and the same but reversed in 120hz mode. Basically, it's a wash. Both consoles play this game really well, exceptionally well even.

Your victim mentality spam and continual strawman attacks on Xbox fans are tiresome and just make you look like an unhinged, whiny fanboy.

 

[Lokaum D+]

fps game playing at 60fps and ppl say its a win XD

performance ll aways win over resolution in FPS games, thats all i have to say

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Listen, all this bullshit about PS5 “performance king” is ridiculous. In order to get higher FPS, or higher frames period, the PS5 needs to be set at 1080p, which is ridiculous. The SX gets mets you set it it to 4k 120hz, vrr, and auto low latency mode (if your TV set supports it.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Listen, all this bullshit about PS5 “performance king” is ridiculous. In order to get higher FPS, or higher frames period, the PS5 needs to be set at 1080p, which is ridiculous. The SX gets mets you set it it to 4k 120hz, vrr, and auto low latency mode (if your TV set supports it.

Lol both are 1080p 120 fps while ps5 is performing better by around up to 20% in that mode

 

[TJC]

Listen, all this bullshit about PS5 “performance king” is ridiculous. In order to get higher FPS, or higher frames period, the PS5 needs to be set at 1080p, which is ridiculous. The SX gets mets you set it it to 4k 120hz, vrr, and auto low latency mode (if your TV set supports it.

why you spitting shit? They are identical games lmao... You really must be stupid.

 

[Aceofspades]

When 60/rt mode is 99% like for like it's called parity. Not "we win"

Especially when one box has 20 more CUs and costs 100$ more.

That's in no way shape or form a win for anyone.

When the box that costs $100 less out performs the other in fps mode to the degree it's noticeable, well that's just laughable.

Its crazy that some posters here are celebrating that a a "win" lol

VGTech chart is all you need to realize how identical PS5/XSX are running

 

[Lokaum D+]

i can see people already complaining that's unfair to play against other players using performance mode

 

[TJC]

If you're TV supports VRR then pretty much all issues that have been shown so far will be irrelevant, Sony have VRR in a patch sometime soon but the problem is 90% of people don't own them TVs. That blessing from kinda funny still has 1080p FFS. You can't just say it's fine because a 1500 pound TV fixed it.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

@NXGamer I noticed frame rate drop when the chopper cinematics play with woods trying to hunt down this dude in a side mission in Mexico(takes place in the night in a highway). Noticed that the game's manual recording feature was enabled when the frame rate dropped. I restarted the mission disabling 4K capture internally and the frame rate held up at 60fps!

Wait, is that the reason for drops? Did you just solve it?

 

[Starfield]

at this point people on consoles should be allowed to use their own graphics settings like on PC

 

[Thirty7ven]

"I do not like what Microsoft has brought to the industry and think we'd be better off if they had never entered it. I can throw that aside when writing and present thoughts free of my dislike for them, however, but reading into it as if I actually PREFER the Xbox?! Pure madness." John Linneman

So very biased toward Xbox.

These guys have their personal preferences but try not to let those influence their coverage. I doubt you could say the same.

Don't care what John thinks about Microsoft, I care about the way DF handles like for like situations. The proof is in the pudding. Dirt 5? Major problem, gotta get to the bottom of it, be really careful of what is said. COD? Everything seems normal.

I don't do these analysis/comparisons for a living so I don't see why I would have to meet the standard. Your comment rings hollow.

 

[waquzy]

If you're TV supports VRR then pretty much all issues that have been shown so far will be irrelevant, Sony have VRR in a patch sometime soon but the problem is 90% of people don't own them TVs. That blessing from kinda funny still has 1080p FFS. You can't just say it's fine because a 1500 pound TV fixed it.

90%?! more like 99%

 

[anothertech]

I'd say dropping from 60fps to 41fps is pretty noticeable.

Doubtful when it's 1 second during a cutscene lol

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Lol both are 1080p 120 fps while ps5 is performing better by around up to 20% in that mode

That's not true even if you only use the xsx worst performing piece.

 

[RobRSG]

The series s version is a total mess! Low quality textures, no RT, no 120hz mode no shadows etc
dafuq?!

Ray Tracing Off.

And people say there’s no difference.

 

[waquzy]

Doubtful when it's 1 second during a cutscene lol

Dropping from 60 to 41 is more noticeable than dropping from 120fps to 101fps. It’s not even close

 

[RobRSG]

I wonder what are the settings compared to PC... On PC with a 3080 it doesn’t hold a perfect 60 in 1440p in select scenes with Ray Tracing on even on medium and DLSS.

 

[Evilms]

 

[AnotherOne]

I wonder what are the settings compared to PC... On PC with a 3080 it doesn’t hold a perfect 60 in 1440p in select scenes with Ray Tracing on even on medium and DLSS.

Really?

 

[Riky]

Exactly and these people don't understand frame times on top.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Yea xsx is running a lower setting on couple of things

 

[Thirty7ven]

Yea xsx is running a lower setting on couple of things

What's up with DF's magnifying glass? Not working?

 

[TBiddy]

Ahh, I see we're back at the good old GTAV grass gate.

 

[Agnostic2020]

That's not true even if you only use the xsx worst performing piece.

I don't even know what u r saying . This is a fact that both run 1080p in 120 fps mode and ps5 performs upto 20% better in that mode

 

[RobRSG]

Really?

Really.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Ray Tracing Off.

And people say there’s no difference.

Wait are you telling me that shadows and lighting are making this game look bad on the S? I was told 4000 times in a Halo thread that's not possible.

 

[Senua]

Ahh, I see we're back at the good old GTAV grass gate.

Mafia 2 was the GOAT

 

[Cherrypepsi]

If it wasn't for ray traced shadows, I would say it looks like ambient occlusion, smoke and shadow detail is indeed toned down...

could be because of youtube compression though.

 

[Elios83]

Yeah it's weird that DF basically did not notice the slight graphical advantages that are in the PS5 version. The toned down smoke and explosions in XSX are simply not missable.
And btw they're also investigating in the RT stutters being due to a bug like VGTech suggested even before them.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

I don't even know what u r saying . This is a fact that both run 1080p in 120 fps mode and ps5 performs upto 20% better in that mode

Because it's deceitful to word it that way. I could say xsx runs 60rt up to 33% better than ps5 but that's pretty disingenuous.

 

[azertydu91]

Ahh, I see we're back at the good old GTAV grass gate.

Thank god there aren't puddles.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

Are people really so retarded not to realize that footage from one console is not 100% synced with footage from the other one?

 

[LivingD3AD]

Those PS5 frame drops are definitely random bugs