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I feel like the Xbox Series S is a waste of time & I don't understand why Microsoft made such a console like the Series S.
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Edgelord79
Gold Member
I disagree with a few points here as they seem to be coming from an enthusiast point of view.
First, you can't get a Sony console anywhere here so getting that instead is a moot point. It most likely will be for quite a bit of time. Sure it's a better value proposition, but again moot. Not available.
Second, it's reductive to say if you can't afford $500 you can't afford $300. That's not how budgets work. The line is drawn differently for everyone. It's not only about putting "food on the table". Most people buying these toys can put food on the table. Many might be good with their money and don't out much value in a console and just want a toy that works. They may just refuse to budge from a certain price point. Heck maybe they just want a bedroom box.
Third, many people walk into a store and ask the person working about the item for their kid. They aren't enthusiasts nitpicking every single thing like we do here. Maybe they just want their kid to have something to play and the Series S is in stock.
This console is for people who are not like us. The people who are exhausted searching for product reviews for everything in a store. It's for the parent who doesn't know Teraflops from RAM. It's for the enthusiast who doesn't want to pay ridiculous prices for a second console in the bedroom. It's for the 10 year old that wants to play Minecraft and Lego games.
That market is much much bigger than us.
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bentanchorbolt
Banned
This. There are a million people out there who play Fortnite and other f2p games that don’t care about 4K or anything else. They want something inexpensive that does the trick, that’s the Series S.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Yes everyone we know are tech enthusiasts.
vaibhavpisal
Member
OP it is for playing next gen games with current gen visuals. It looks like one s/ onex in graphics. That its purpose.
Buying it after those two will not be an upgrade but more of future proofing when two years later games will stop coming for One systems.
If you want a jump in graphics, 4k HDR panel is what you need paired with series x.
Buying it after those two will not be an upgrade but more of future proofing when two years later games will stop coming for One systems.
If you want a jump in graphics, 4k HDR panel is what you need paired with series x.
basic_element
Member
Juggle 6 plus games? I don’t know if it can even juggle 2 CODs. It’s neutered and can’t even juggle it’s own balls.
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Coolwhhip
Neophyte
Which casual gamer rushes out to buy a new console without new games in the first month its out?
MasterCornholio
Member
Depends if they care about needing a gold sub for FTP games or not. But then again many of those FTP games are playable on pretty basic PCs.
Potato Chip PRO
Member
Well, if you don't want it. I'll buy it from you... And no I'm not paying above retail price
ReBurn
Gold Member
If you don't have an Xbox One then XSS is a great box to buy for Game Pass. PS5 doesn't make anything irrelevant except PS4. That is unless you can play 3 generations of Xbox games on PS5.
Iorv3th
Member
You dun goofed
No One who doesn't have an Xbox is going to pick up a new console to play old xbox games from 12 years ago.
The casual gamer will pick up a Nintendo Switch before an XSS. Sony and Nintendo have far more desired IPs.
You buy a new console to play New games, the mythical customer thats NOT already in MS ecosystem and drooling to buy an XSS to play Halo 3 ODST don't exist. Those customers are buying Nintendo Switches.
FlyyGOD
Member
Its sold out every where.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Units plz.
Potato Chip PRO
Member
They mostly refer to Europe..... Just to say it's not selling well.
MrFunSocks
Banned
It’s a legit next gen console that plays next gen exclusive games for USD$299, cheaper than the previous gen consoles are. What’s there to not “get”?
I’ve got a series X in my media room, and I’ve now got my One X in the living room that had the One. When Series S are back in stock I’ll buy one to replace the One X because it’s on a 1080p tv and when I am doing serious gaming I’ll be playing on the SX.
What games are you playing on the Series S? Most likely Xbox One games, which is why it feels like an Xbox One lol.
I’ve got a series X in my media room, and I’ve now got my One X in the living room that had the One. When Series S are back in stock I’ll buy one to replace the One X because it’s on a 1080p tv and when I am doing serious gaming I’ll be playing on the SX.
What games are you playing on the Series S? Most likely Xbox One games, which is why it feels like an Xbox One lol.
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FlyyGOD
Member
You're not really this dense are you?
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
UNITS PLZ.
THE DUCK
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It has its place, just because you don't want one doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. For a 1080p TV, kids, smaller TV, it makes s lot of sense. It will make even more sense once it's price is $249 or $199.
As far as the ps5 de, its a void arguement as sony made hardly any, so comparing it it a product that 99.99999% of the country can't buy is irrelevant.
By the the ps5 digital is readily available, there's a very good chance the S is cheaper.
I have a Ps5, two series X, and one series S, I like them all.
As far as the ps5 de, its a void arguement as sony made hardly any, so comparing it it a product that 99.99999% of the country can't buy is irrelevant.
By the the ps5 digital is readily available, there's a very good chance the S is cheaper.
I have a Ps5, two series X, and one series S, I like them all.
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Imru’ al-Qays
Member
Next-gen games are only 60fps at the moment because they don't have anything better to spend their graphics budget on. Once games start being designed specifically for the PS5 and XSX you'll see the framerate drop back down to 30fps in most cinematic and open-world style games.
Razvedka
Banned
I think it is still a relevant factor to Microsoft from the Gamepass perspective. But we'll see what consumers make of its value proposition.
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Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
It's a non-4K next gen device with a low barrier to entry for both hardware and games (Game Pass). There's a huge market for it, but not for enthusiasts. Even more so now that games are starting to retail at $70 and Game Pass is still the same price it's always been (really cheaper if you look for deals), but it still includes first party Microsoft games too on the day that they release (but now with Bethesda/ZeniMax games on top of it). The value proposition is pretty insane. And then there's the size of the console, which I could see being an additional factor for people wanting it. It'll fit nicely anywhere.
It functions as a perfect little console for a family that may be more cost conscious but still would like a next gen experience, and it also functions as a side console for those who may primarily game on another ecosystem (like PlayStation or Nintendo) but for a low cost can also easily get into the Xbox ecosystem (which is all Microsoft wants, as you're likely to look into Game Pass at that point).
It functions as a perfect little console for a family that may be more cost conscious but still would like a next gen experience, and it also functions as a side console for those who may primarily game on another ecosystem (like PlayStation or Nintendo) but for a low cost can also easily get into the Xbox ecosystem (which is all Microsoft wants, as you're likely to look into Game Pass at that point).
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iHaunter
Member
Netflix is also entertainment, a PS5 or XSS is a luxury no one ever needs.
MasterCornholio
Member
Depends on what you define as selling well.
It's definitely possible to sell through all your stock but to have poor sales numbers. The same goes for Sony and the PS5.
Without official figures it's difficult to determine how many units they are selling. But the PS5, PS5 DE, XSX and XSS are pretty much sold out in the USA. The rest of the world might be a different story depending on the region. Like in Europe there's probably places where you can still find an XSS for example.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
I'll probably grab an s at some point. I really like the concept. I'd use it for a 1080p game pass machine to play all the games I missed on ps5. Elder scrolls will probably be when I get one.
OrtizTwelve
Member
From a business standpoint the Series S makes perfect sense and it should do well in the market, and bring a lot of new people into the Xbox platform that otherwise maybe wouldn’t have thought about joining.
It’s not made for the small select group of people who constantly post on this forum on a daily basis. This forum represents an insignificant amount of the entire marketplace and is NOT representative of the actual gaming market. 99% of consumers that purchase video game hardware and software are casual.
Microsoft has a console for us, it’s called the series X.
For everyone else, Series S is their mass market console.
It’s not made for the small select group of people who constantly post on this forum on a daily basis. This forum represents an insignificant amount of the entire marketplace and is NOT representative of the actual gaming market. 99% of consumers that purchase video game hardware and software are casual.
Microsoft has a console for us, it’s called the series X.
For everyone else, Series S is their mass market console.
Derktron
Banned
Yeah, I rather get a PS5, I feel burned out because of the Series S. The Series S seriously disappointed me and turned me off for gaming in general. The lack of games also killed it for me too.
Edit: had to edit my word.
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fighterman101
Banned
Capable and Value are very subjective. To me, PS5 doesn't offer anything remotely close to the value of xbox game pass. PS5 might have better resolution than Xbox series s, but in terms of how many games you can get through xbox game pass day one vs what a normal spender can get through PS5 isn't even close.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
I wonder if Sony and Microsoft were hedging their bets a bit and worried that the pandemic and current recession would make it hard to sell a $500 console? Sony’s implementation was probably better as it won’t force Sony to create downgraded versions of future games.
With the incredible success of the $500 price point, I wonder if Microsoft will quietly walk back the S? Or will they force support for three versions of their games when the inevitable Series XX or whatever comes out?
With the incredible success of the $500 price point, I wonder if Microsoft will quietly walk back the S? Or will they force support for three versions of their games when the inevitable Series XX or whatever comes out?
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Well I'm sure the PS5 will reinvigorate your love for gaming. If you were so interested in PS5 why didn't you get that in the first place? Most of the people here would have suggested the PS5 from the beginning.
The XSS is a great console for the audience its for.
I highly doubt there will be a mid gen console refresh seeing how these systems are gimped from the beginning of the generation. We'll also have to see how downgraded the XSS will be seeing how it is already doing things last gen consoles could not.
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Derktron
Banned
First off this has nothing to do with being able to afford it. It has to do with the availability of what they had. The PS5 is extremely hard to get. People will jump you if you have one while walking around the store or out. My boy, this has nothing to do with pricing lol
Derktron
Banned
Yeah if the PS5 is easy to get. It's not as easy as going to a phone store and getting an iPhone 12 Pro Max. If that was the case, I would've never gotten the Xbox.
fighterman101
Banned
"Expensive" consoles typically sell well during launch because of the hardcore gamers and scalpers. However, down the road casual gamers are going to start purchasing consoles and they usually buy the cheapest console that does what they want or at least that is how it is in the states.
Derktron
Banned
That's not how things work my dude, it's $400 or nothing. Ohh and plus tax and shipping.
Derktron
Banned
Guess I did.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Some of you guys are delusional, seriously. You think that ms made an entire new console in a matter of months because Sony announced a digital console? Never mind the fact that the console is in the background on a few videos from ms, and also digital foundry were shown it long before the reveal, or the leaks about ms having a 2 console approach to this gen from before any next gen console was revealed, you think it was a reaction to Sony? Lol. Absurd.
If anything, the PS5 DE and its pricing is a reaction to the series S coming out and undercutting them massively on price. Even this is unlikely.
I swear some of you guys have zero idea how any of this business or the real world works.
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He's right, and you aren't. There's a difference between $1,000 and $10,000. But $300 and $500? It's basically the same price over the period of 7 years. If you can't walk to the store right now and pay $300 for something without breaking a sweat, you shouldn't be spending the money.
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fighterman101
Banned
Some people rather spend the extra 200 dollars on games rather than 4k resolution.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
Have a look at the price of the One S. Have a look at the price of the PS4 and Xbox One S.
The point of it is that it will sell to people that aren’t rushing to buy new gen consoles, but it will sell to the casuals that are just going to buy a console. They see a PS4 or XB1S for $299 (or $250 or whatever they are) and then see a brand new next gen console for the same price and it’s a no brainer. They just sold a new next gen console to someone that usually buys a console 7 years into a generation. Do you not see how that’s a win for MS?
And that's fine. That wasn't his argument. His argument was that $200 is not negligible and is a substantial amount of money. If it is to you, then you need to be more responsible with your money before spending it on game consoles.
fighterman101
Banned
Depends. For a casual (only buys one or two games a year) it is a lot of money because consoles aren't a necessity and depreciates in value fast. Besides cheap and convenient gaming, consoles doesn't offer anything that you can't get elsewhere. It isn't like before where consoles offer a lot of value with its features.
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TheFawz
Member
The Series S has 2 objective advantages over the Series X:
If these are not factors for you of course the console won't make sense compared to the Series X choice which is objectively superior (outside of those 2 points).
For some people a console at least 35% cheaper and about half the overall size has a destinct appeal. Especially as those people who prioritize budget price and compact offering are less likely to have a high end 4K display and so would benefit less from the Series X's premium offerings.
- It is cheaper
- It is smaller
If these are not factors for you of course the console won't make sense compared to the Series X choice which is objectively superior (outside of those 2 points).
For some people a console at least 35% cheaper and about half the overall size has a destinct appeal. Especially as those people who prioritize budget price and compact offering are less likely to have a high end 4K display and so would benefit less from the Series X's premium offerings.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
Absolutely, but people are not good with money in general, and almost double the price for the big boi consoles is a significant jump that is beyond many people. Like others have said, if you’ve budgeted $300 for a console, $500 is out of the question. Even people that can afford it won’t spend $500 if they’re only budgeted $300. Where does it stop - oh if you can afford 500 you can afford 900? If you can afford 1000 you can afford 1500?
$200 is a non negligible amount of money to a lot of people that are buying these consoles.
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I don't disagree. I'm a VR and PC user and I can't be bothered with inferior experiences that require heavy compromises. I have to pay a premium for that (for work). However, if you view $200 as a lot of money (casual or otherwise), console/PC gaming may not be the right hobby for you.
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