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[CitizenZ]

pc players are stubborn and would prefer to spend 400/500 bucks on anything else than a console.
Which I don't get. I just have both and honestly find myself playing more on ps4/ps5.

That because a PC does 100 things more than a console. When I play New World half of the team I am on with are working from home.

 

[AlexxKidd]

Only?

 

[Topher]

Where did these numbers come from?

8% of PC gamers is more than the number of PS5s in existence.

The numbers are from NPDs "PlayerPulse".....whatever that is. Piscatella doesn't elaborate more than that. But yeah, the numbers are damn weird unless they are based on Steam gamers in the US.

 

[Fake]

PC players are as much fanboys as console players. If you don't release on Steam they are Full of mimimi.

This I agree. IDK if Sony pays for Epic Game Store or Steam to hold their games there, but if PC players really want to dead Playstation games Sony could pursuit creating their own store.

 

[kingfey]

pc players are stubborn and would prefer to spend 400/500 bucks on anything else than a console.
Which I don't get. I just have both and honestly find myself playing more on ps4/ps5.

Consoles dont have pc games.

I have both consoles, with switch, and my most desired games arent on them. Especially with consoles having 8 years life limit. Its not worth it that much.

only console players who grow up with sp games, treasure their consoles.

PC is more of a community. Plus not that many pc gamers spend $1k.

I used to play on $500 useless laptop. and it did good job playing the games that I wanted to play.

Unless you want 4k, 1k$ is useless. and only those with money buy these rigs. Its a scam for new pc gamers.

 

[Fake]

Consoles dont have pc games.

I have both consoles, with switch, and my most desired games arent on them. Especially with consoles having 8 years life limit. Its not worth it that much.

only console players who grow up with sp games, treasure their consoles.

PC is more of a community. Plus not that many pc gamers spend $1k.

I used to play on $500 useless laptop. and it did good job playing the games that I wanted to play.

Unless you want 4k, 1k$ is useless. and only those with money buy these rigs. Its a scam for new pc gamers.

Dude, WTF are you talking about? Of course some console users have a PC games.

 

[rofif]

Consoles dont have pc games.

I have both consoles, with switch, and my most desired games arent on them. Especially with consoles having 8 years life limit. Its not worth it that much.

only console players who grow up with sp games, treasure their consoles.

PC is more of a community. Plus not that many pc gamers spend $1k.

I used to play on $500 useless laptop. and it did good job playing the games that I wanted to play.

Unless you want 4k, 1k$ is useless. and only those with money buy these rigs. Its a scam for new pc gamers.

I am a pc gamer my whole life. I had my first pc in 1997. I still value console. I had 360, ps4 and now ps5. All alongside good pc. Now even 3080.
And yet I am still finding console gaming way more care free. you go and play. Even on good pc there is always tweaking and it costs much more.

Anyway - I play on both. Right now you can get 4k console with no loading times (still not possible on pc) for 400usd. Cannot even get 4k gpu for that on pc.
But like you say - I value single player games the most. I always did. Even in 1997 on pc

And most games are on consoles. It's the other way around with pc not having some games

 

[kingfey]

The numbers are from NPDs "PlayerPulse".....whatever that is. Piscatella doesn't elaborate more than that. But yeah, the numbers are damn weird unless they are based on Steam gamers in the US.

How many gamers are there in the US 2020?


There are now a total 226.6 million video game players in the U.S. of all ages, growing nearly 6% from 214.4 million in 2020, according to the ESA. That's on the heels of the video-game audience swelling about 30% last year, up from 164 million in 2019.Jul 13, 2021

This is what I am getting.

For 2018
In the U.S., 67% of the total population plays games, making for 211.2 million total gamers in the country. That's according to a new survey from EEDAR, a subsidiary of long-time industry analyst group NPD. 52% of active gamers play on PC, compared with 90% on mobile and 41% on console.Sep 11, 2018

About 100m+ gamers are pc as of 2020, according to that data.

 

[kingfey]

I am a pc gamer my whole life. I had my first pc in 1997. I still value console. I had 360, ps4 and now ps5. All alongside good pc. Now even 3080.
And yet I am still finding console gaming way more care free. you go and play. Even on good pc there is always tweaking and it costs much more.

Anyway - I play on both. Right now you can get 4k console with no loading times (still not possible on pc) for 400usd. Cannot even get 4k gpu for that on pc.
But like you say - I value single player games the most. I always did. Even in 1997 on pc

And most games are on consoles. It's the other way around with pc not having some games

There are games that wont work on consoles. That is what pc gamers play.

Its not about value, but the type of games.

I played SP conviction on x1s, and it was shit to aim that much, compared to pc.

These are the thing that makes the pc a must, compared to consoles.

 

[SlimySnake]

STEAM isn't an unreasonable metric to gauge "PC players" and their numbers don't show something out of whack with what the NPD is supposedly saying.

HFW will not be on PC for quite awhile.

. . .also I'm going to assume a large multinational company did more than enough research to make sure their future release plans weren't contradicted by a single meme post on NEOGAF.

Yeah, multi billion dollar companies never make mistakes and never launch consoles for $599 with ridge racer, never announce consoles focused on tv and Kinect or always online.

They do however look at internet outrage and reverse decisions on closing ps3 and vita stores, allow free upgrades for horizon, and you know strip out Kinect and always online from their consoles because of internet meme posts just like this.

 

[rofif]

There are games that wont work on consoles. That is what pc gamers play.

Its not about value, but the type of games.

I played SP conviction on x1s, and it was shit to aim that much, compared to pc.

These are the thing that makes the pc a must, compared to consoles.

what games? world of warcraft? some mmos? I don't play those.
RTS genre is also partially dead...

 

[kingfey]

Dude, WTF are you talking about? Of course some console users have a PC games.

Pc games, as in games. not pc. mmo games, strategy games.

 

[BigBooper]

Seems like the wrong way of thinking. Fewer people have been able to buy a PS5 due to shortages, but if there are fewer exclusives there will be less of a reason. Since there are so many of PS4 owners, there's still a lot of sales to go to get them all on PS5.

 

[kingfey]

what games? world of warcraft? some mmos? I don't play those.
RTS genre is also partially dead...

you dont, because that isnt your genre. That is pc oriented game.

RT arent dead. they are thriving now.

 

[Fake]

Pc games, as in games. not pc. mmo games, strategy games.

You're being very specific. I can sure people that have consoles play games on PC as well. How much? Game genre? Thats another story.

 

[kingfey]

Seems like the wrong way of thinking. Fewer people have been able to buy a PS5 due to shortages, but if there are fewer exclusives there will be less of a reason. Since there are so many of PS4 owners, there's still a lot of sales to go to get them all on PS5.

ps5 is hard to get, same as the other console.

Its still sold out in my area. even XS is out.

production limit makes it hard to get. I bought a new monitor, and I might need to get my own ps5 soon in the future.

 

[kingfey]

You're being very specific. I can sure people that have consoles play games on PC as well. How much? Game genre? Thats another story.

they do. I stated that already.

Was just stating the reason why some pc gamers wont go to consoles. Same as how consoles dont go to pc. Each want their own games, which you cant get on those consoles.

I am just glad now we are getting more pc games on consoles, and more console games on pc.

 

[Neofire]

pc players are stubborn and would prefer to spend 400/500 bucks on anything else than a console.
Which I don't get. I just have both and honestly find myself playing more on ps4/ps5.

Finally someone speaking the truth.

 

[Topher]

How many gamers are there in the US 2020?


There are now a total 226.6 million video game players in the U.S. of all ages, growing nearly 6% from 214.4 million in 2020, according to the ESA. That's on the heels of the video-game audience swelling about 30% last year, up from 164 million in 2019.Jul 13, 2021

This is what I am getting.

For 2018
In the U.S., 67% of the total population plays games, making for 211.2 million total gamers in the country. That's according to a new survey from EEDAR, a subsidiary of long-time industry analyst group NPD. 52% of active gamers play on PC, compared with 90% on mobile and 41% on console.Sep 11, 2018

About 100m+ gamers are pc as of 2020, according to that data.

So that's almost 9 million consoles out of the 13.3 million sold worldwide. Still seems too high.

 

[Elbow Identity Shallow]

I'm sure it will affect some sales negatively with games also being released on PC but I would be surprised if the positives didn't easily outweigh any negatives.
I know that they've started making some moves by leaving legacy systems behind them, which always annoys people, but I do feel that at some point they will need to allow people to do things like adding their PSN account to the PC games and being able to earn trophies and that sort of thing. I know not everybody likes things like that but for somebody who is already heavily invested in their eco system it could could well make a difference.

 

[EDMIX]

I gotta say, 1 in 3 is higher than I expected.

Agreed, but I've been telling people they SLEEP on the PC/Playstation combo

Many like myself have had such set ups for generations now. You pretty much get 99.9% of the major 3rd party titles. As an artist that used to be in IT, I needed my PC for work (still do btw) so having it for gaming was simply a bonus. When MS starts putting all their games on PC or even a few or even does a timed deal where PC is involved, it only makes you keep PC longer vs buying another system.

Example. Oblivion timed deal on 360/PC, Gears comes to PC, Fable 3 comes to PC, Bioshock timed for XB and PC...I own a PC, Mass Effect comes to PC, Titanfall timed deal for 360, XBONE and PC...got it on PC.

Do folks not see why I might have kept a PC during those gens and a PlayStation vs buying another system? As time went on, more and more of MS published games came to PC until they just stated it would be day and date, thus no real reason for me to not continue my same combo I had going, but I consider many people would have set ups like this.

 

[ANDS]

Yeah, multi billion dollar companies never make mistakes and never launch consoles for $599 with ridge racer, never announce consoles focused on tv and Kinect or always online.

They do however look at internet outrage and reverse decisions on closing ps3 and vita stores, allow free upgrades for horizon, and you know strip out Kinect and always online from their consoles because of internet meme posts just like this.

They make mistakes all the time. They usually don't tend to be "baby with the bathwater" mistakes like you allude to here (an allusion which assumes SONY is somehow going to give PC players day one releases).

 

[Fake]

they do. I stated that already.

Was just stating the reason why some pc gamers wont go to consoles. Same as how consoles dont go to pc. Each want their own games, which you cant get on those consoles.

I am just glad now we are getting more pc games on consoles, and more console games on pc.

Dude, you're being too specific with data you have no control over. People play games for different reasons, not only because guarden.

 

[kingfey]

Dude, you're being too specific with data you have no control over. People play games for different reasons, not only because guarden.

it seems you are not understanding it.

Think of it as xbox and playstation. Both have their own games, that you cant play on those consoles. Same thing for pc.

Just like how you want to buy a ps5 for spiderman 2, people want to buy pc for those games.

 

[kingfey]

So that's almost 9 million consoles out of the 13.3 million sold worldwide. Still seems too high.

Its why i dont like % data. Its useless without hard data.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

That seems pretty high to me? It makes sense the ps5 would be around there. Still hard to get.

 

[SlimySnake]

They make mistakes all the time. They usually don't tend to be "baby with the bathwater" mistakes like you allude to here (an allusion which assumes SONY is somehow going to give PC players day one releases).

So MS is making that mistake right now. Day one steam releases. I thought multi billion dollar companies never make mistakes? But Sony never would? Why? Clearly by your logic, ms has the numbers and are willingly putting games on pc on day one so then why is it a mistake?

Also if numbers are all you care about then surely releasing games on pc on day one is the best way to earn the most revenue.

 

[kingfey]

So MS is making that mistake right now. Day one steam releases. I thought multi billion dollar companies never make mistakes? But Sony never would? Why? Clearly by your logic, ms has the numbers and are willingly putting games on pc on day one so then why is it a mistake?

Also if numbers are all you care about then surely releasing games on pc on day one is the best way to earn the most revenue.

Its a suicide tactic as of now. You dont do that as a business person.

Sony needs to be patient. You dont piss off 120m customers, if you do day1 pc.

MS on other hand did it slowly. Especially, when they were down. Unlike Sony, which is on their high tide momentum now.

 

[Fake]

it seems you are not understanding it.

Think of it as xbox and playstation. Both have their own games, that you cant play on those consoles. Same thing for pc.

Just like how you want to buy a ps5 for spiderman 2, people want to buy pc for those games.

Dude, will be the third time I saying you're just kicking information without analyze the data. All this running in circle you're talking about depends of MANY factors;

- If the user have money
- If the user prefer to play on PC or Console
- If the game he is looking foward was exclusive
- If the reason why he have a console is because he don't have space room for build a PC
- If the PC is a low profile or notebook
- If he like to play with controler or keyboad/mouse


I have PS4 here, but still play games on PC. I not 'wishing' games to come in PC because is a matter of what or 'if not' will run in this old notebook. You need to separate the people that want to play games with the port beggers.

 

[ANDS]

So MS is making that mistake right now. Day one steam releases. I thought multi billion dollar companies never make mistakes? But Sony never would? Why? Clearly by your logic, ms has the numbers and are willingly putting games on pc on day one so then why is it a mistake?

Also if numbers are all you care about then surely releasing games on pc on day one is the best way to earn the most revenue.

MS and SONY are two different companies. Not sure what one does implies about the other. MS is a large company and releasing their games on Gamepass clearly makes sense for them. That doesn't mean it makes sense for SONY (and at the moment it obviously doesn't).

. . .some really odd "thinking" going on here.

Its a suicide tactic as of now. You dont do that as a business person.

Sony needs to be patient. You dont piss off 120m customers, if you do day1 pc.

MS on other hand did it slowly. Especially, when they were down. Unlike Sony, which is on their high tide momentum now.

Where are you seeing SONY suggesting they are releasing games on PC on day one? Also, who gets pissed here? The people who have consoles that cost far less than a PC that can run these first party games at the same level of quality as on the PS5?

Honestly, where are these conclusions coming from?

 

[MrFunSocks]

good to have an industry expert confirm what I’ve been saying every time someone whinges about their PlayStation being “devalued” lol. The PC market and console market are virtually completely separate with very little crossover. Selling games on PC are bonus copies you wouldn’t have sold, you’re not losing a console sale.

Microsoft knew this and now Sony have cottoned on too.

 

[kingfey]

Dude, will be the third time I saying you're just kicking information without analyze the data. All this running in circle you're talking about depends of MANY factors;

- If the user have money
- If the user prefer to play on PC or Console
- If the game he is looking foward was exclusive
- If the reason why he have a console is because he don't have space room for build a PC
- If the PC is a low profile or notebook
- If he like to play with controler or keyboad/mouse


I have PS4 here, but still play games on PC. I not 'wishing' games to come in PC because is a matter of what or 'if not' will run in this old notebook. You need to separate the people that want to play games with the port beggers.

I dont know what to say. It seems hard for you to understand it.

The entire point of sticking to these devices is the identity of these games.

Halo is xbox, gow is Playstation, wow is pc.

These are the games people stick with their devices.

You might have a different device, but those people won't buy a 2nd device. These games is what they like.

 

[mejin]

Its a suicide tactic as of now. You dont do that as a business person.

Sony needs to be patient. You dont piss off 120m customers, if you do day1 pc.

MS on other hand did it slowly. Especially, when they were down. Unlike Sony, which is on their high tide momentum now.

MS was subtle as a white elephant in the room imho

And Sony took their sweet time, but It seems they'll be as disorganized as one would expect.

 

[Corndog]

Sounds like he's trying to convince his self. Dude is using old, out if context, data when most of these ports aren't even released yet. Haven't a impact on the ps5 or the Playstation platforms in general won't happen for another year or two.

The fact that you can go to any forum and a large amount of people say if all Playstation exclusives come to PC then there is no need to have a playstation 5. I mean it's not rocket science. Plus you can see that it didnt help MS push more consoles with the Xbox one when they started releasing their games on a regular on PC.

Selling consoles isn’t the only way to make money.

 

[bender]

That's a huge untapped casual market which is perfect for Sony's big budget games.

 

[kingfey]

Where are you seeing SONY suggesting they are releasing games on PC on day one? Also, who gets pissed here? The people who have consoles that cost far less than a PC that can run these first party games at the same level of quality as on the PS5?

Honestly, where are these conclusions coming from?

They will, it will just take time.

As of now, they have ps5 to sell.

Also Sony is much bigger than MS interm of resources.

They have music, anime, movies. They have plenty of labor resources, compared to ms, which is just tech company with money.

By the time ms gets resources, Sony is ready to release the game. Which is why sony has quality games. All of their other departments helps them make their games.

 

[kingfey]

MS was subtle as a white elephant in the room imho

And Sony took their sweet time, but It seems they'll be as disorganized as one would expect.

That is how business is. Most of the time, companies enjoy their sweet victory and those sweet monies.

But once a change is close, they panick.

Its why sears are going out like blockbuster. They couldn't adopt to the market change.

Sony is just lucky, MS was dumb with 1st party.

 

[Neofire]

Selling consoles isn’t the only way to make money.

Never said it was but for right now, at this moment. Sony makes a hell of a lot more money getting someone to buy their platform and then pouring money into the psn network then selling a few copies of one game on PC. That is fact

 

[Guilty_AI]

i expected much more. My guess is that they're including people who play mainly f2p and mmo type games here, if they aren't just straight up counting everyone with steam downloaded to their pc.

 

[BennyBlanco]

i expected much more. My guess is that they're including people who play mainly f2p and mmo type games here, if they aren't just straight up counting everyone with steam downloaded to their pc.

I have Steam downloaded on my PC and nobody ever asked me. Who knows where they are getting this data from.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Console attachment rate is super low...I'm actually excited to see how gaming evolves with more widespread adoption.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I have Steam downloaded on my PC and nobody ever asked me. Who knows where they are getting this data from.

yeah, what i wanted to know too. The page from the company they were talking about:

Circana

Circana offers clarity from complexity. Dive deep into consumer behaviors & trends across industries. Optimize decisions & inspire action.

www.npd.com

Based on their description, seems they conduct yearly surveys and collect data from retail locations and e-commerce. Don't think we'd find anything specific pertaining to this particular info though, seeing as they work for other companies and probably don't openly publish their analytics.

 

[skit_data]

Makes sense, most of my friends are PC players (even the ones that owned PS1, PS2 and PS3). Their hardware components sucks compared to my PS5 though.

But no worries PCMR, they’ll get better hardware mid-gen and it’ll probably smoke my PS5.

 

[odhiex]

You lose some, you gain some. You may give different calculations and scenarios for both the positives and negatives.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. Sony is still making loads of money.

Stop worrying so much, and be a happy gamer.

 

[Brofist]

pc players are stubborn and would prefer to spend 400/500 bucks on anything else than a console.
Which I don't get. I just have both and honestly find myself playing more on ps4/ps5.

You don't get why people have different preferences than you?

 

[Lanrutcon]

I own a gaming PC. I wouldn't buy a PS5 unless I saw one for super cheap. It's easier to just borrow one from a friend and play that one (or two or three) exclusive(s) that looks tempting. I play way too many old games to not focus on the open platform.

Now, I goddamn Switch Pro I'd fucking mug someone for. Nintendo vexes me.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Until Sony launches their own PC Store and Launcher

FFS more fucking launchers.

 

[Stuart360]

I think a more accurate title would be 'A lot of PS4 owners also own a gaming PC'.

No way in hell 1/3 of PC gamers own a PS4, or any console for that matter.

 

[nemiroff]

i'm surprised it's that high. it doesn't make sense as a PC user to spend money on a console when you could just make your PC better. what's the benefit of having a console as well, apart from a few more games?

I'm a PC gamer family man who happens to have have a Series X (and previous Xbox and Playstation consoles). The cost doesn't matter to me, neither does console exclusives (but I do like to follow gaming news, so I'm aware of them). I have the console(s) because I have friends who are on Xbox and I sometimes play coop and mp with. And also my son plays on the Series X. Normally it's hard to pry me away from my PC, so I don't really use the consoles much myself (I think it's been weeks now..). Especially now with increasing amount of cross-play titles on the market. That's just my personal example anyway.

 

[Reallink]

Once they start releasing all their first party games, even on a 6mo - 1 year delay, it'll be way above 50%. No reason for "Core" gamers to own a Playstation at that point when the superior versions of the games are on PC.