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Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Obviously, but they also weren’t vaccinated against alpha, beta or delta, yet this strain seems to be causing greater hospitalization for children than previous variants - that was my point. My question is whether there are any theories (biochemically) as to why that might be. Like, say, something about the highly mutated nature of the spike protein in Omicron which allows it to better overcome children’s super robust general immunity.

It's more transmissible for everyone, with traits of immune escape, while the young cannot be vaccinated yet, so case loads in that demo have increased relative to the original strains and Delta. There's really nothing special about it in regards to children.
 

SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
It's more transmissible for everyone, with traits of immune escape, while the young cannot be vaccinated yet, so case loads in that demo have increased relative to the original strains and Delta. There's really nothing special about it in regards to children.
Omicron definitely has some unique characteristics that we're still unpacking. One of the reasons it is more transmissable, but less deadly, is that it more effectively targets the throat as opposed to the lungs. It also does appear to be infecting kids at a much, much higher rate, and it could be for similar reasons.

The US Military claims they have a vaccine that will target all variants of SARS-based coronaviruses, essentially a protein-based vaccine similar to Novavax, but with a collection of different spikes to target all forms. Still needs to go through Phase 2 and 3 trials but it could definitely simplify all this.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
No, it's Christmas time. I have better things to do than read through Covid shite. You lot need to get out more & stop being so obsessed with Covid & stats, its looking like an addiction at this point. Go & enjoy life.
The reason I took so long to respond to that was precisely because I was enjoying life Christmas time with friends and family.

It's only a 20 minute video. Recognizing his fails was easy, and typing up a response to it took under 10, which I wrote while getting a ride home from a party. I am capable enough at multitasking.

Misinformation is bad, and everyone who becomes more vaccine hesitant because of people like Nagase is another person that puts himself and others at risk. It's important to challenge that in the free market of ideas so that the best information wins out.
 

sinnergy

Member
113k in The UK, but party on ! BJ is the best , will be fun to watch this experiment, good thing it’s a island .
 
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FunkMiller

Gold Member
113k in The UK, but party on ! BJ is the best , will be fun to watch this experiment, good thing it’s a island .

That was Xmas Day. It’s now dropping. 98k for today.

Decrease in deaths. Small increase in hospitalisations.

Sorry mate. You might need to take your hysterical doom-mongering elsewhere.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future

dumbest shit I ever seen
Reminds me of Comical Ali or that curled up in the fetal position in pain guy. Just relentless commitment to a self narrative in complete opposition to all available evidence.
 

tommolb

Member
That was Xmas Day. It’s now dropping. 98k for today.

Decrease in deaths. Small increase in hospitalisations.

Sorry mate. You might need to take your hysterical doom-mongering elsewhere.
You're not seriously taking a small one day drop in case numbers and deaths and assuming that's it are you?

The figures over Christmas are unreliable, cos of LFT and PCR test shortages (PCR slots were unavailable today due to "high demand"), people not wanting to test for fear of needing to isolate, people being too busy with festivities to take time out to test, lots of people forgoing social events prior to Christmas to decrease the risk of them catching Covid etc. Will be past the New Year, probably mid Jan, before we get meaningful figures again that we can begin to extrapolate a trend (up or down).
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
You're not seriously taking a small one day drop in case numbers and deaths and assuming that's it are you?

The figures over Christmas are unreliable, cos of LFT and PCR test shortages (PCR slots were unavailable today due to "high demand"), people not wanting to test for fear of needing to isolate, people being too busy with festivities to take time out to test, lots of people forgoing social events prior to Christmas to decrease the risk of them catching Covid etc. Will be past the New Year, probably mid Jan, before we get meaningful figures again that we can begin to extrapolate a trend (up or down).

No. I'm taking the entire data set for omicron in the UK so far. And not suggesting for one moment 'that's it'... but also don't think Sinnergy's regular hysterical pronouncements are appropriate :ROFLMAO:
 

Malakhov

Banned
I'm not sure if sinnergy is a joke account or not, dude looks hysterical

So far the kids only have a runny nose and that's it. Same with the ex-wife but she is rarely sick by anything, she barely got a cold when she had mononucleosis 🤷
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future

The sheeple never learn. Once you give these people power they won't ever let it go. Soon they will only let you quarantine for 3 days, then it will be one day. Then before you know it they won't let you quarantine at all. What ever happened to my quarantine, my choice?
 
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
I continue to think the marketing for the vaccines are done so poorly. They aren't marketing them to who their target audience should be, which is those who are vaccine hesitant. I'm seeing local vaccine commercials that use the same lingo "Safe and effective." Everyone uses the same line over and over, true or not, it's horrible for marketing. It's like saying "don't do drugs." Once you hear the same line over and over, people just tune it out and it becomes noise. They're marketing the vaccine for those who already have gotten the shots and who already believe in them. "It's safe and effective, get your vaccine now so you can enjoy the holidays" is NOT going to convince a skeptic. In fact, it likely will scare them off.

I don't know what the strategy is to get more people vaccinated, but it certainly isn't continuing to beat the same message into the ground you've done since January over and over again. If it didn't work in January, why do people think it would work now?
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I continue to think the marketing for the vaccines are done so poorly. They aren't marketing them to who their target audience should be, which is those who are vaccine hesitant.
You can't fix stupid. No sense in trying to cater to it. The vaccines literally save lives. Its a proven fact.


If that is not enough to convince you to take it then I don't know what to say to someone like that.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
You can't fix stupid. No sense in trying to cater to it. The vaccines literally save lives. Its a proven fact.


If that is not enough to convince you to take it then I don't know what to say to someone like that.
That’s exactly the point of these ads though. That’s why they have them. They aren’t trying to convince people who already believe in them. So then your stance is they shouldn’t have ads for the vaccines altogether because there’s no point. I guess I can agree with that, but I think they should still try, just with better ads or better strategy.

I read a story about a doctor who individually called people and ended up convincing the majority to get the vaccine. Tried to find the story, but forget where I read it.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
113k in The UK, but party on ! BJ is the best , will be fun to watch this experiment, good thing it’s a island .

Daily figures are a near match for SA, of hospitalized cases the majority of Covid infections are incidental findings.

BBC said:
Latest figures showed there were 8,474 people with Covid currently in hospital in England - the highest since March, but well below last winter's peak of more than 34,000.
Not all the patients in hospital will have been admitted for Covid - about three in 10, according to the latest data, have the virus but were admitted to hospital for something else.

If the intention was not to panic people this information would be highlighted, but instead its being buried. Here's the source article.
 
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Chittagong

Gold Member
113k in The UK, but party on ! BJ is the best , will be fun to watch this experiment, good thing it’s a island .

The hospitalisations in England have plummeted 57% compared to last Christmas although there are almost 3x cases. Also, the exponential growth of infections seems to have stopped, an early sign of Omicron peaking early. So pretty much exactly what happened in SA.

UK will be fine.

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That’s exactly the point of these ads though. That’s why they have them. They aren’t trying to convince people who already believe in them. So then your stance is they shouldn’t have ads for the vaccines altogether because there’s no point. I guess I can agree with that, but I think they should still try, just with better ads or better strategy.

I read a story about a doctor who individually called people and ended up convincing the majority to get the vaccine. Tried to find the story, but forget where I read it.

Just tell people that the vaccine will ensure the rapture and get goons like Rogan and Peterson to tell people they've been vaccinated and it was a great decision. 100% uptake in USA. I'll take those marketing bucks now.
 

chromhound

Member
The sheeple never learn. Once you give these people power they won't ever let it go. Soon they will only let you quarantine for 3 days, then it will be one day. Then before you know it they won't let you quarantine at all. What ever happened to my quarantine, my choice?
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why do you keep posting this selective shite? just look at Denmark and Norway as an average over this year compared to Sweden, and then if you actually cared you would look at them compared to Sweden in 2020

no, we don't want to end up like Sweden because Sweden utterly fucked it at the start
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores

What's up with people saying "why don't we talk about X anymore" as if they're somehow making a salient point but instead inadvertently revealing to everyone that they're in an information echo chamber? Not to mention that guy's ridiculous strawman argument.

Notice how his graph only starts at 2021 and only uses new deaths as if the 2020 never happened. Also notice that he doesn't even insert his own country, whose policies he's trying to disparage. Australia has its own set of unique issues, but "too many relative COVID19 deaths" isn't one of them.


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sinnergy

Member
Highest hospitalizations since February in the UK,Cinnabong, whatya say? but just let it circulate! I’ll be waiting till everybody is sick all at ones and services and hospitality needs to close .. own inflicted lockdowns 🤣
 
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FunkMiller

Gold Member
Highest hospitalizations since February in the UK,Cinnabong, whatya say? but just let it circulate! I’ll be waiting till everybody is sick all at ones and services and hospitality needs to close .. own inflicted lockdowns 🤣

Oh yes. It's an absolute disaster. The hospitalisations are skyrocketing since the omicron variant came along last month! We're all going to di -

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sinnergy

Member
Oh yes. It's an absolute disaster. The hospitalisations are skyrocketing since the omicron variant came along last month! We're all going to di -

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It’s also isn’t flat , it’s about how many are infected , and Cron has the upperhand in that case .. so it will remain high , just as Delta , just simple math . This is only the beginning! Lockdowns incoming . BJ going down!

130k, a good bunch of those will end up in the hospitals the coming 2-3 weeks, taking critical care alway from others whom are in need,, very sound plan . New year going in with a bang! 200k is a possibility, can I bet about this somewhere ? You Ukers like to bet, maybe I can earn some money?
 
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Oh yes. It's an absolute disaster. The hospitalisations are skyrocketing since the omicron variant came along last month! We're all going to di -

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It's gonna be crazy looking back reading the wikipedia article highlights of how omicron actually brought about the end of the pandemic. Telling our kids about all of this hysteria and how it ironically accelerated our path out.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
It’s also isn’t flat , it’s about how many are infected , and Cron has the upperhand in that case .. so it will remain high , just as Delta , just simple math . This is only the beginning! Lockdowns incoming .

130k, a good bunch of those will end up in the hospitals the coming 2-3 weeks, taking critical care alway from others whom are in need,, very sound plan . New year going in with a bang! 200k is a possibility, can I bet about this somewhere ? You Ukers like to bet, maybe I can earn some money?

Omicron having the upper-hand is good because it is displacing Delta, which causes much more serious disease.

Number of infections is only relevant insofar as it amplifies the social disturbance caused by containment protocols. Its why SA has just moved to mode where only symptomatic cases require isolation. Omicron has reached endemic status there and yet the number of hospitalizations remains low.

The key point about Omicron though in terms of hospitalization is the number of cases requiring intensive care seems to be a far smaller proportion than previous strains, so your entire premise is flawed. Lockdowns are potentially the bigger threat than the disease in terms of impact on provision for care.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
If they are going to be arrested for trespass then the restaurant probably called the police. I find it hard to believe the people at the table didn't deliberately precipitate this.

It’s funny how in all these videos, you always just see after the cops have arrived… and never anything beforehand. Almost as if those recording don’t want people to see how their behaviour may have caused the police presence. 🤔

I cheerfully ignore every social media post like this, unless decent context is provided. Rule of thumb for me.
 
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FireFly

Member
Number of infections is only relevant insofar as it amplifies the social disturbance caused by containment protocols. Its why SA has just moved to mode where only symptomatic cases require isolation. Omicron has reached endemic status there and yet the number of hospitalizations remains low.
For a given hospitalisation rate, doubling the number of infected will double the number of hospitalisations. SA is ok because the number of infections already peaked, and the UK is currently ok because infections are not so far ahead of where Delta was.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
If they are going to be arrested for trespass then the restaurant probably called the police. I find it hard to believe the people at the table didn't deliberately precipitate this.
Probably, yes. The police don't normally arrest someone for trespassing on private property on their own volition like that. I wonder though, why there needs to be so many of them. We should warn that Adam guy how this restaurant is behaving like Sweden.
 
It’s funny how in all these videos, you always just see after the cops have arrived… and never anything beforehand. Almost as if those recording don’t want people to see how their behaviour may have caused the police presence. 🤔

I cheerfully ignore every social media post like this, unless decent context is provided. Rule of thumb for me.

excuse me I am cultivating a personality based solely on a very specific political narrative and would appreciate it if you didn’t get in the way of that, thanks
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell


If Omicron is truly less deadly, this could be a turning point if the more deadly variants are pushed out almost completely.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
What's up with people saying "why don't we talk about X anymore" as if they're somehow making a salient point but instead inadvertently revealing to everyone that they're in an information echo chamber? Not to mention that guy's ridiculous strawman argument.

Notice how his graph only starts at 2021 and only uses new deaths as if the 2020 never happened. Also notice that he doesn't even insert his own country, whose policies he's trying to disparage. Australia has its own set of unique issues, but "too many relative COVID19 deaths" isn't one of them.


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There are a wide range of anti-lockdown and anti-mandate people who have their stances for all types of reasons. But right or wrong, there are people, and I've talked to some, who think death is an appropriate price to pay for freedom.

I spoke with a few people over the last year to pick their brains on their stances who told me that they will acknowledge that lockdowns can save lives, but they argued freedom always comes with a cost, and sometimes that cost is life.

So, I don't suspect arguing data with folks like this will make that much of a difference. Most are in the hardcore freedom camp, and think the cost of that freedom is worth whatever it takes to get it.

I don't agree with it, but I can't say it's right or wrong per se, it's a matter of personal values and perspective.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
There are a wide range of anti-lockdown and anti-mandate people who have their stances for all types of reasons. But right or wrong, there are people, and I've talked to some, who think death is an appropriate price to pay for freedom.

I spoke with a few people over the last year to pick their brains on their stances who told me that they will acknowledge that lockdowns can save lives, but they argued freedom always comes with a cost, and sometimes that cost is life.

So, I don't suspect arguing data with folks like this will make that much of a difference. Most are in the hardcore freedom camp, and think the cost of that freedom is worth whatever it takes to get it.

I don't agree with it, but I can't say it's right or wrong per se, it's a matter of personal values and perspective.
I can understand the argument for freedom. I make arguments for the maximization of freedom all the time. I think it's one of our most important first principles from which our laws should be derived. That's why some of these so called "pro-freedom" arguments are inane - they aren't arguing from first principles. They're putting their feelings first and then molding their argument around that with mental gymnastics that ignore historical precedent, judicial precedent, common sense, and basic math.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
As new data rolls in, there's some optimism about the high cases not leading to as many severe outcomes. We just need to hope that the case numbers don't brute force their way into high levels of severe outcomes. So far, it's not looking that bad, but it's still too early to be really confident about that yet.



 

Chittagong

Gold Member
As new data rolls in, there's some optimism about the high cases not leading to as many severe outcomes. We just need to hope that the case numbers don't brute force their way into high levels of severe outcomes. So far, it's not looking that bad, but it's still too early to be really confident about that yet.





Sinnergy please 🤣 if ur ok

No seriously, this is all excellent news. Think back these two years of misery, there never was a conspiracy to persuade us that things are *better* than they really are
 
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