funkygunther
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exactly, I that’s all those 2 posts you quoted were saying…they didn’t come across as pro-obesity or anything
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exactly, I that’s all those 2 posts you quoted were saying…they didn’t come across as pro-obesity or anything
betrayal
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COVID does not kill randomly. For the most part, it kills people who, in most cases, belong to a risk group through their own fault. This has been backed up again and again by studies and statistics. The science is very clear about this.
But why am I talking to you at all. You are indeed someone with whom it is pointless to discuss, because you are not able to grasp the underlying issue.
funkygunther
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we are not disagreeing at all, that's why I responded with "exactly" so don't really understand why you are stooping to cheap attacks other than trying to have a disagreement we're not having
betrayal
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The variant was discovered 3 weeks before Omicron and, as it seems, cannot prevail against Delta and certainly not against Omicron.
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A you researched it, ?? You must make big bucks
As top researchers are still examining .. you work at a world institute ? the EU head just twittered about this version . It takes some time to identify and research and Holidays where in between.But he pointed out one data point which he said was "worrying" – the fact that ICU rates are far higher in the region of France where the variant cluster is located, compared with the rest of the country.
The IHU scientists caution that it's too soon to know how the variant will behave, in terms of the severity of symptoms or how easily it can be spread to others.
However, the US epidemiologist and health economist Eric Feigl-Ding, raised the alarm over the new variant. The Harvard-trained doctor took to Twitter on Tuesday to spread the word about the variant of "atypical combination".
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FunkMiller
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It’s. Not. Just. About. What. Happens. To. You.
Try thinking about other people.
This is not political.
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FunkMiller
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The degree of self interest and selfishness on display in this thread is quite dismaying.
Get the vaccine, people. You don’t know how the next person you infect might suffer.
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betrayal
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A you researched it, ?? You must make big bucks
But he pointed out one data point which he said was "worrying" – the fact that ICU rates are far higher in the region of France where the variant cluster is located, compared with the rest of the country.
The IHU scientists caution that it's too soon to know how the variant will behave, in terms of the severity of symptoms or how easily it can be spread to others.
However, the US epidemiologist and health economist Eric Feigl-Ding, raised the alarm over the new variant. The Harvard-trained doctor took to Twitter on Tuesday to spread the word about the variant of "atypical combination".
The variant has been known since September and could not spread despite Delta. Omicron was still far away at that time. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/variants-concern and look for B.1.640 (B.1.640-2 is a sub-lineage from B.1.640). Also check the tweet below for context.
I won't even bother you with causes and topics such as typical and permanently occurring regional spreads of mutations or otherwise you'll get a headache.
Also I will continue to prefer to rely more on serious sites and you will continue to follow well known scaremongers and retards like Feigl-Ding and keep reading tabloids. Perfect fit, buddy.
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Depends if people in that province, travelled a lot .. my guess is Not so much yet , there are so many variables at play here .. but it just shows variants of concerns pop up left and right .
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For a given hospitalisation rate, if the number of infections doubles, so will the number of hospitalisations. What is important is not the absolute number of people being infected, but the rate of increase. And that rate of increase gives you a prior warning of what will happen to hospitalisations, which lag by a week or two.
Imagine the USA, they now have a million a day ..
betrayal
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No, it doesn't depend on whether these people travel a lot. At most, something like this can cause a few small regional outbreaks. But it is primarily the contagious nature of individual mutations that is important. That is also why the former Wuhan virus was replaced by Alpha, Alpha by Beta, Beta by Delta and Delta by Omicron.
betrayal
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This sounds bad at first, but it is likely that the peak will soon occur in the USA, as was also seen in South Africa and can now also be observed in the UK. Existing immunity from infection or vaccination and, above all, the huge number of unreported cases (usually asymptomatic) are important factors.
It may not look like it at the moment, but there is a realistic chance that this is a good development overall. Whether people like it or not, we have to look at the situation as a whole and focus less on the many tragic fates of those who are now seriously ill. In the end, it is the total number of victims that counts and not the number of a single wave. This may sound inhumane, but it is ultimately much better and will save many lives.
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FunkMiller
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Some good news starting to come out of the UK.
Would appear our experience with omicron is mirroring South Africa's. This is good... but pressure still incredibly high across health services due to volume of cases, if not severity. Strengthens the argument for decreasing isolation period to ensure work force is not hamstrung.
I'd imagine that by the end of this month, we'll have settled on a strategy with omicron that minimises disruption, maintains some basic preventative, easy measures, but can safely ignore harsher restrictions. It IS milder, and the vaccines ARE working to reduce deaths and serious illness. We're way past the need or the capability for lockdowns. The first world has definitely entered the 'living with it' stage.
Would appear our experience with omicron is mirroring South Africa's. This is good... but pressure still incredibly high across health services due to volume of cases, if not severity. Strengthens the argument for decreasing isolation period to ensure work force is not hamstrung.
I'd imagine that by the end of this month, we'll have settled on a strategy with omicron that minimises disruption, maintains some basic preventative, easy measures, but can safely ignore harsher restrictions. It IS milder, and the vaccines ARE working to reduce deaths and serious illness. We're way past the need or the capability for lockdowns. The first world has definitely entered the 'living with it' stage.
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betrayal
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The development was already known for 2-3 weeks and was backed up by South Africa. Likewise, numbers in London, the Omicron hotspot in the UK, have been dropping for a week. The same will happen in the US and all over the world. You just have to put the timeline of South Africa on top of the other countries and you can even tell pretty accurately when that will be the case.
Somehow, South Africa unfortunately has the problem that nobody takes them seriously, although they have the whole COVID issue better under control than 90% of the other countries, both scientifically and socially.
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FunkMiller
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Eh. I can understand some of the hesitancy to automatically assume what happened in SA would happen in the UK, or any other country with markedly different social structures, infrastructure, weather, and population densities. Respiratory viruses can and do behave differently in different environments. However, cold, hard data cannot be ignored, and that data is very much starting to show that omicron is characteristically similar in every country or population it spreads in. I'm an more than happy for governments to be very cautious while awaiting firm evidence pertaining to their own population, but once that does come in, and it shows that undue caution is unwarranted, I also expect those governments to act accordingly.
Schattenjäger
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FunkMiller
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More here from the truly excellent John Burn Murdoch about the importance of vaccination. I thoroughly recommend following him on Twitter. He backs up everything he says with a wealth of traceable and verifiable evidence.
funkygunther
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Cyberpunkd
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Tripple vaxxed, got Covid, all good now, who want's some of those sexy antibodies?
It’s not about taking them seriously, it’s about their young population. Even now you see that omikron is not yet affecting a lot because cases are still in young people , its always the same cycle , first young , than 49 - 50s, 60s and up , if the elderly group shows signs of mild symptoms in the west and no need of hospitalization or oxygen .. than it looks good for this version.
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Not a true number since many are holiday backlogs
I like to see these numbers …
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
It also shows that folks such as yourself are better served to sit back, reflect, and first understand what you are posting instead of popping off the minute you read something alarming… it will help you retain whatever iota of credibility you have left.. which I think is none at this point anyway
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
The record single-day total may be due in part to delayed reporting from over the holiday weekend. A number of U.S. states did not report data on Dec. 31, New Year's Eve, and many do not report data on weekends, meaning that some of these cases could be from positive tests taken on prior days.
U.S. reports over 1 million new daily Covid cases as omicron surges
The U.S. also has the highest seven-day average of daily new cases in any country tracked by Johns Hopkins.
www.cnbc.com
I don’t care what think of me
Kilau
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You definitely do seem to like the absolute worst case scenario in every situation.
I don’t , I want to see how this all turns out without not taking the needed measures, which is idiotic to say the least .. to much stress for healthworkers, unneeded deads , to many people developing long COVID and maybe need support for years and maybe need the rest of their lives , services that can’t be provide because of sick, that also costs money .
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betrayal
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We've been through this before in this thread...
1) In South Africa, the severity of Omicron in older people was also similar to that of younger people. In all age groups, the severity was significantly reduced by roughly the same ratio.
2) A virus like Omicron, which causes less severe disease in younger people, usually causes about the same degree of reduction in disease severity in older people. The delta variant is the relevant context here.
3) The fact that Omicron primarily affects young people also has something to do with the vaccination rate. The younger the age groups, the lower the vaccination rate. The virus also does not differentiate its hosts based on age, from young to old. This is a baseless and meaningless hypothesis.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Plenty of people are vaxxed but still espouse many if not all of the same views as the un-vaxxed, which in the public square amounts to nearly the same thing. Like certain news agencies that had vaccine mandates for their employees months before it was fashionable, yet their anchors still diligently head on air each day and spread harmful disinformation and stir up dissent about beneficial public health measures.
The latest UK Covid Dashboard makes sobering reading; >200k positive cases for the first time (up 50% in the last 7 days), 10k in hospital (up 50% in the last 7 days), deaths over the last 7 days up 50%. Source : https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk
Feels like the NHS is on a knife edge as to whether it will be able to cope or not, with more hospital trusts declaring critical incidents (source : https://www.theguardian.com/society...-critical-incidents-over-staff-covid-absences). Nurses phoning into James O'Brien on LBC indicating impact on NHS staffing levels worse than last March.
I expect the response to be watering down/doing away with self isolation rules as it's just a mild cold in most people, everyone's going to get it anyway so might as well get it now and have it over with /s
Feels like the NHS is on a knife edge as to whether it will be able to cope or not, with more hospital trusts declaring critical incidents (source : https://www.theguardian.com/society...-critical-incidents-over-staff-covid-absences). Nurses phoning into James O'Brien on LBC indicating impact on NHS staffing levels worse than last March.
I expect the response to be watering down/doing away with self isolation rules as it's just a mild cold in most people, everyone's going to get it anyway so might as well get it now and have it over with /s
funkygunther
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there's a briefing at 17.00, don't expect any change...plan B from outer parliament
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
This should've been expected. If they keep isolating asymptomatic workers what did they think was going to happen?
And I'm sorry but without admission numbers parsed out to show admissions for Covid, and not incidental findings on admission for other matters, the data is mostly worthless.
You'd expect an uptick in numbers of admissions over the new year anyway.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah no shit their unhealthy habits contributed to their deaths.
If a smoker dies from lung cancer then you know their smoking pretty much caused it. If we had a free injection that effectively undid all that smoking damage - and then you see two 60 a day smokers didn't get it because they were 'doing their own research' and died then you start to question the refusal to get the medicine more than the smoking.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Another public figure outspoken against vaccination, this one only 46:
www.yahoo.com
California Deputy DA Who Fought Vaccine Mandate Dies Abruptly After Falling Ill With COVID at Age 46
via Facebook A deputy district attorney and up-and-coming Republican political star in California’s Orange County has died abruptly after telling friends she contracted COVID-19.Kelly Ernby, a presumed candidate for the state Assembly in 2022, was only 46 years old. According to the Los Angeles...
Thaedolus
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-Also you can get reinfected and there’s no guarantee the second infection won’t be worse
-Also vaccine immunity seems to perform better than “natural” immunity and lasts longer from what I’ve read
I got the rona and it wasn’t fun and I feel fully recovered, but I still got the vaccine when it was available and boosted at the end of last year. I’ve got young children at home who can’t get it yet, and lo and behold this variant is more dangerous to them. It’d be nice if vaccination rates were high enough to help protect them but now I’m just hoping for the best as we set records and the hospitals get overwhelmed
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Punished Miku
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Probably obese from the neck down. Can't really tell in the pic.Another public figure outspoken against vaccination, this one only 46:
California Deputy DA Who Fought Vaccine Mandate Dies Abruptly After Falling Ill With COVID at Age 46
via Facebook A deputy district attorney and up-and-coming Republican political star in California’s Orange County has died abruptly after telling friends she contracted COVID-19.Kelly Ernby, a presumed candidate for the state Assembly in 2022, was only 46 years old. According to the Los Angeles...
#BanFat
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DeaDPo0L84
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People see numbers and while they should be helpful the way they get reported and discussed is nothing but damaging. For some they see cases and instantly envision every single one of those people in a hospital strapped to a ventilator on life support seconds away from death.
Reality and data paints an entirely different picture but that doesn't matter, JUST LOOK AT THE CASES, THEY WENT UP!!!. Then you have Fauci confirming what people have been expecting all along that hospital numbers were being fudged cause you might go in due to a broken leg but of course they'll test you for covid and if positive suddenly you're no longer there due to your leg, you're admitted as a covid positive patient even if you're asymptomatic, NUMBERS GO UP AGAIN, OH NO WHAT DO WE DO!!!
The messenging around this has been fucked from day 1 and as if the world needed any help being divided in recent years covid only added to it. There's so many lines in the sand we're not supposed to cross we've all boxed ourselves in.
Reality and data paints an entirely different picture but that doesn't matter, JUST LOOK AT THE CASES, THEY WENT UP!!!. Then you have Fauci confirming what people have been expecting all along that hospital numbers were being fudged cause you might go in due to a broken leg but of course they'll test you for covid and if positive suddenly you're no longer there due to your leg, you're admitted as a covid positive patient even if you're asymptomatic, NUMBERS GO UP AGAIN, OH NO WHAT DO WE DO!!!
The messenging around this has been fucked from day 1 and as if the world needed any help being divided in recent years covid only added to it. There's so many lines in the sand we're not supposed to cross we've all boxed ourselves in.
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I think there are three types of people who looks at hospital numbers;
1) Deniers - all numbers are fake, fudged and/or exaggerated. Virus doesn't exist or is being made out much worse than it is. The Government lies!
2) Pessimists - everyone in hospital is at deaths door. Numbers are probably under reported. The Government lies!
3) Most people - sensible enough to know the hospital numbers are a mix of people with Covid on general wards and ICU at different stages of recovery.
What's the alternative with counting hospital numbers? Only count those whose only reason for being in hospital is Covid? Only count those whose primary reason is Covid? Ignore the rest - i.e. they had a heart attack and also just happened to have Covid, or caught Covid whilst in hospital - as they don't count? If that person with the broken leg develops symptomatic Covid and ends up on a ventilator and dies, at what point would they count, if at all? If a person goes into hospital, then whilst in there ends up falling over and breaking their hip, do they suddenly not count in the stats?
If they start changing the way they count numbers, both sides 1) and 2) above will see this as proof of their position (The numbers are being fiddled with! Government lies!) , whilst everyone in 3) will end up confused, and we'd loose the ability to see trends unless someone did a massive amount of work backdating the new calculating methods to the start of the pandemic.
I don't think there is a good way of counting the hospital numbers unless you start breaking the numbers down into categories (whose in hospital due to Covid only, those in with something else but also have Covid etc), which would loose a lot of people as we wouldn't be able to see the wood for the trees.
p.s. Your mention of Fauci means your probably coming at this from a US perspective, but the same could be said of the way the UK counts the numbers.
Ulysses 31
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Still don't get what these tweets are for. We already know that vaccinated people have a chance of still getting sick.
Thaedolus
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…and he’s chillin at home instead of on a ventilator
Ulysses 31
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Your minds go strange places.
That pick just made we wonder how he still got covid if he also shields himself.
It wasn't some hidden vaccines are useless message.