reinking
Gold Member
I'm not 100% convinced. Sony might take a different approach and let Bungie release on other consoles and/or PC. It only expands the market and makes those games bigger. I would not expect any to be on Game Pass though.
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onesvenus
Member
What Jimbo is saying can be used as an answer when the "why didn't X spend the money growing internal studios instead of buying Y" questions pop up from time to time
kingfey
Banned
Pss..
Only few companies rule the world. They own most of everything in the world.
People argue against brands. But in reality bigger fish owns both of these brands.
Gaming would be that level in 10 years. It's why MS Is very worried about the big boys.
When they said Sony and Nintendo aren't their competitors, they weren't kidding. 70$b cash ended that argument.
We will see, what Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple would buy in these 2 years.
Embracer itself has 86+ studios. That is good start for these companies, since it gives them some games for their new console/cloud. With EA, take 2, or ubisoft their cloud gaming value would sky rocket.
Its scary how much success money brings. Xbox went from 5 studios to 30+ studios and insane IPs for $75b
anothertech
Member
Daaaam. 2023 and 24 destiny content only on playstation. That's gonna piss some people off. Darkness powers playstation only hahahahaha
Hope new ip is coming more than anything.
Hope new ip is coming more than anything.
kingfey
Banned
Sony want the pc market. They are very happy to keep things away from Xbox.I'm not 100% convinced. Sony might take a different approach and let Bungie release on other consoles and/or PC. It only expands the market and makes those games bigger. I would not expect any to be on Game Pass though.
They made xbox life hell last gen. I doubt they will change their mind, and be nice. They made forspoken 2 year timed exclusive. That one is spitting on xbox.
ethomaz
Banned
The full PR doc for these that want to read.
January 31, 2022 (Pacific Standard Time) – Sony Interactive Entertainment LLC (“SIE”), a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sony Group Corporation (“Sony”), today announced that it has entered into definitive agreements to acquire 100% of the shares of Bungie, Inc., an independent videogame developer in the United States. The total consideration of this transaction is 3.6 billion U.S. dollars, inclusive of purchase price and committed employee incentives, and is subject to customary working capital and other adjustments. This transaction is subject to certain closing conditions, including regulatory approvals.
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Post-acquisition, Bungie will be an independent subsidiary of Sony Interactive Entertainment and run by its Board of Directors chaired by Pete Parsons and Bungie’s current management team. The transaction is subject to certain closing conditions, including regulatory approvals.
I though Bungie remained some ownership but it is 100% Sony… Bungie will work as an independent subsidiary… that trend to change over time and can take years to the fusion happens.
January 31, 2022 (Pacific Standard Time) – Sony Interactive Entertainment LLC (“SIE”), a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sony Group Corporation (“Sony”), today announced that it has entered into definitive agreements to acquire 100% of the shares of Bungie, Inc., an independent videogame developer in the United States. The total consideration of this transaction is 3.6 billion U.S. dollars, inclusive of purchase price and committed employee incentives, and is subject to customary working capital and other adjustments. This transaction is subject to certain closing conditions, including regulatory approvals.
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Post-acquisition, Bungie will be an independent subsidiary of Sony Interactive Entertainment and run by its Board of Directors chaired by Pete Parsons and Bungie’s current management team. The transaction is subject to certain closing conditions, including regulatory approvals.
I though Bungie remained some ownership but it is 100% Sony… Bungie will work as an independent subsidiary… that trend to change over time and can take years to the fusion happens.
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kingfey
Banned
Wasn't destiny 1 Playstation exclusive and only come to xbox, when destiny 2 was out?
People are kinda expecting that treatment now.
Any future destiny would be pc/Sony from now on.
thismeinteil
Member
Great get. And just like with Insomniac, Sony seems to push their teams to great success, so I'm expecting great things. Quality over quantity all day long.
And I'd say they can make a Halo killer, but I think halo has been slowly killing itself for a decade, now.
And I'd say they can make a Halo killer, but I think halo has been slowly killing itself for a decade, now.
kingfey
Banned
So samething as Activision sale then. It's BR word, until it's approved. Once it's done, it's get in to the exclusive box.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Huh? Can you expand on your thoughts above? How are internally developed IPs separate from the company that make them? If I buy an entire company, that includes all assets and liabilities they own and owe. If a specific IP of the company isn't included, then I didn't buy the entire company.
kingfey
Banned
The one that killed halo are the fans.
Fans have this unrealistic demand. It's hard to please them.
I worry, the day they retire master chief. There would uproar.
reinking
Gold Member
You are probably right but I am expecting timed or content exclusivity. My thought is they are letting Bungie remain Bungie to let them publish in areas that Sony does not want the PlayStation brand being published.
kingfey
Banned
Sony owns Insomniac. Can't make any game under sunset Overdrive universe, until MS publishing deals ends.
Those type of deals, makes the ip useless.
MS bought rare. Donkey Kong went to Nintendo.
ethomaz
Banned
Unless the IP is not in the name of the Bungie, that is not the case, all the IPs owned by Bungie are now owned by Sony.
It is not even a shared owner… it is 100% Sony.
kingfey
Banned
That might make sense. But for now, I am taking their words, like Phil words, during bethesda purchase.
We will know more about it, once the deal is done.
darrylgorn
Member
Make Killzone Good Again.
ethomaz
Banned
Sony owns Sunset Overdrive even if the license to use and publish for a period of time are with another company.
In any case MS has the publishing rights just for the first game… any sequel or spinoff from the IP can be published by Sony that owns the IP.
You are mistaking ownership and license for publishing rights.
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ManaByte
Member
Insomniac owns the Sunset IP. MS has publishing rights for the first game, but Insomniac can do a remaster or sequel if they wanted to. Fizzy was in Ratchet.
MScarpa
Member
Just wait for Yurinka to show up.When Sony's acquisitions use very clear terms about exclusivity, it somehow doesn't mean anything. But when Phil says something clear enough about exclusives, his words are twisted and tortured until they somehow mean that Activision and Blizzard games will be on PS
ZehDon
Gold Member
Cool, share a link to the contract of sale where the IPs are specifically named transferred?
kingfey
Banned
Some IPs have contractual obligation. You needs 100% right to own them.
007 bond game by rare/Nintendo and the person who owns bond.
You need to own the publish rights, the code of the game, the characters, and the IP to fully own them.
Edit: Alan wake was owned by MS, until remedy bought it from MS.
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GhostOfTsu
Banned
The Forsaken campaign is free since December, you can hurry to finish it before they delete it when Witch Queen comes out at the end of the month.
The Forsaken pack that you see for sale is 3 exotics weapons, strikes and other stuff I don't remember. You will still have access to it.
I agree that they should make a huge standalone version of Destiny 2 with all the campaign and expansions. Maybe they can do it now with the help of Sony.
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ethomaz
Banned
Publishing rights are different from IP ownership.
You can license the publishing rights to whatever you want… the IP ownership continue being yours until you sell it or it become public in 30 years or so.
Sony actually owns everything Bungie owned… and Bungie didn’t have any licensed IP from other company in their hands.
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kingfey
Banned
Publishing rights affects the IPs. You cant publish the game, without publishing rights.
Clear example is sunset Overdrive. MS had publishing rights for that game. Sony couldn't anything due to that. Until the rights time runs out, Sony can't publish that game.
So the IP is generally useless without that right.
ethomaz
Banned
Sony owns Sunset Overdrive IP.
They can do what they want with it… a new game, a sequel, a spinoff, use the characters in others games, etc etc etc.
MS just licensed the publishing rights to the first game for a time.
So even owning the source code of the first game they can’t publish it in any other place unless MS accept it or the licensing of the publishing rights ends.
You are again confusing or trying to spin IP ownership with Publishing rights.
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kingfey
Banned
That is what I am talking. You need to make a new game for that IP.
You cant use the game, until the publishing right runs out.
Sometimes, you will lose the rights to publish that IP, if you are small devs. So you are forced to buy the rights.
kingfey
Banned
Why would remedy buy the rights for Alan wake then?
Kagey K
Banned
No PS had marketing rights and a couple exclusive weapons and strikes.
It came out the same day on PS and Xbox.
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kingfey
Banned
People made a big deal about destiny 1 on xbox, and those contents arriving the console late.
I thought it was a big major content.
ethomaz
Banned
Because they licensed the publishing rights to MS. Remedy always owned the IP but MS had the publishing rights.
They had to ask MS to self-publish the game on PC. Now they got the publishing rights back so they can publish it whatever they want.
That is exactly why Sony can’t publish Sunset Overdrive without authorization of MS.
BTW both Destiny IP and publishing rights are in Bungie hands… that are now in Sony hands… when Sony bought Insomniac the Publishing rights were licensed to MS and that continue being true but the IP ownerships from Insomniac are Sony now.
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Kagey K
Banned
People were mostly pissed off at the strike, only because it fucked fans on both systems. It couldn't come up in the weekly strikes (or Nightfall strikes) because it wasn't on both systems and Bungie kept system parity on the weeklies, meaning it ended up being basically wasted content.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
ethomaz
Banned
Bluepoint is already a Sony’s studio.Wild not square? Not blue point? I mean a get is a get but this feels like when MS bought rare . Good I guess but am I excited...i guess.
It makes a lot less of an impact reading this in 2022 then in 2005 though.
Now Please task Bungie to make a new IP
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kingfey
Banned
Why would they need the right for sequel then?
From your point of view, you said Sony can make a sequel. Why would remedy go and buy the publishing rights for that game, when they can just make new brand experience.
Publishing rights would pretty much affect the universe for that game. Remedy can use the character, but not that universe. Whether it's sequel or prequel.
Its why they bought the right of that game. To have complete ownership of Alan wake universe.
When companies sign these publishing rights, they kinda own the universe of that game, and anything related to that game. Not the character models. That belongs to the studio which makes the game.
ethomaz
Banned
It is not a free to play game.
You can try a base game for free.
You still needs to pay around $70 per year to play actual content… it is basically to play it… if not you will be forever alone playing the base “free to play”.
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ethomaz
Banned
That is not actually true.
Marvel owns Spider-Man.
Sony licensed the publishing rights for Spider-Man games.
Sony doesn’t own anything from Spider-Man… Marvel owns… actually Disney owns Spider-Man.
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Dolomite
Member
You're right, I always get confused with who made Demon souls vs dark souls vs elden ring ect even though I'm a fan of the series
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kingfey
Banned
Who fucks up content like that.
Kagey K
Banned
The paid expansions were on Gamepass, and it's a pretty barebones game now without them, they are basically required content.
BusierDonkey
Member
My thinking on this one is as follows:
Is Bungie, whose only games are Destiny and Destiny 2 (Halo belongs to MS, as do a bunch of ex-Bungie staff) and has only self-published one of those titles... kind of, worth half of the ENTIRETY of Zenimax Publishing who includes Bethesda Game Studios, Arkane, id Software, Machine Games, Tango Gameworks, Alpha Dog and Roundhouse Studios along with all their assets including publishing and distribution?
Is Destiny as big as half of all of those IPs and assets put together?
I found a video of Jim Ryan buying Bungie
Is Bungie, whose only games are Destiny and Destiny 2 (Halo belongs to MS, as do a bunch of ex-Bungie staff) and has only self-published one of those titles... kind of, worth half of the ENTIRETY of Zenimax Publishing who includes Bethesda Game Studios, Arkane, id Software, Machine Games, Tango Gameworks, Alpha Dog and Roundhouse Studios along with all their assets including publishing and distribution?
Is Destiny as big as half of all of those IPs and assets put together?
I found a video of Jim Ryan buying Bungie
Kagey K
Banned
Bungle, oops I mean Bungie.
I mean they are the same company that vaults content people bought and paid for in expansions.
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ChiefDada
Gold Member
Ok, I get your confusion now.
The IP doesn't move; Bungie retains its corporate status. This is distinctly different from Activision. The IP stays on Bungies books. But Sony now owns all stock of Bungie. The IP doesn't need to transfer books for Sony to own 100% of the IP.
This is interesting for future transactions though. If Sony is willing to forego a good chunk of governance and management control to future targets in exchange for financial acquisition then this could be their way of leveling the M&A landscape with deep pocket players such as Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, etc.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yeah, they are. Destiny is a much bigger IP than potentially anything in the Zenimax deal
They are also a huge studio with 1000+ employees
Different objectives though. You can’t compare the two just from the lens of buying as many studios/employees as possible. That’s not how this works
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
So only the DLC costs money?
So....it is a free to play game.