Snowdonhoffen
Member
So with this independence Bungie has, if Sony ever tries to sell Bungie then their IPs would also be included, right?
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kingfey
Banned
Sony owns the events of that game. The story belongs to Sony. That is what universe is.
Spiderman is a character. Which marvel owns it.
But the events that happened in Spiderman ps4, belongs to Sony. No studio can work on that story, aside of Sony.
Character=/=story or event.
IP games tell story or events. Who ever owns the publishing rights for these stories or event, controls that. But not the IP name.
The new company would have to make new story for these characters.
Sometimes, those stories have their own characters, which the publisher owns. But that depend on the level of contract between the 2 parties.
Its why that 007 game is a mess.
ethomaz
Banned
The actual game is not free 2 play.
It is not about DLC.
You can play old content for free but it is very limited and you are not actually playing Destiny 2 until you pay for the game.
It is not a F2P game where you can play everything with everybody.
bTW Bungie never called it “free to play”… it is is called Play for Free to avoid confusion.
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kingfey
Banned
Think of eso on gamepass. Base content is free. But you need other contents to play the full game.
ethomaz
Banned
I have not ideia where are you trying to reach but both events and story in Spider-Man and Miles Morales are based in Marvel’s events and stories.
What happens in the game is based in what Sony licensed from Disney.
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01011001
Banned
it's a very shitty free demo + lots of paid DLC for the shitty free demo.
they even removed the original campaign, which is kinda fucked tbh... that campaign was pretty decent, had some Halo vibes at times.
kingfey
Banned
I hope Sony wips them. The almost went full cdpr.Bungle, oops I mean Bungie.
I mean they are the same company that vaults content people bought and paid for in expansions.
Kagey K
Banned
Or like FFXIV where you get a very generous free trial, but if you want to continue playing you need to buy the expansions.
kingfey
Banned
kingfey
Banned
Ffxiv is sub money. Eso isn't. You kinda have to pay for ffxiv to play it, just like wow.
Eso, you don't need to. It's optional. Either own the base game, or gamepass.
Destiny 2 was like eso, before they went full f2p.
WoodyStare
Member
Had to screencap this one. Made me chuckle.
ethomaz
Banned
It is based in the comics and the various adaptations in other media.
Sony calls it “original narrative” lol
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kingfey
Banned
So it's like what they in the movies. Just change few stuff to make it original narrative.
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ethomaz
Banned
Maybe that explain better how the Destiny 2 “play for free” works.
www.gamepur.com
In simple terms you will be playing a small demo unless you buy a new Destiny every year ($70-80).
It's time for Bungie to stop pretending that Destiny 2 is a free-to-play game
The problem with setting unrealistic expectations.
www.gamepur.com
In simple terms you will be playing a small demo unless you buy a new Destiny every year ($70-80).
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ChiefDada
Gold Member
i don't think destiny is something that ppl will cry for....it was clearly a reaction from Sony not to be cut off from the world of FPS that matter
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geary
Member
Robb
Gold Member
Man, I’m late to this party. Just read this news.
Although it sounds expensive for what I assume is only one IP this is definitely a good get for Sony.
Can’t believe how much the gaming landscape is going to change going forward. It’s pretty crazy that MS is going to have Crash/Spyro while Sony is going to own an old MS studio.
Although it sounds expensive for what I assume is only one IP this is definitely a good get for Sony.
Can’t believe how much the gaming landscape is going to change going forward. It’s pretty crazy that MS is going to have Crash/Spyro while Sony is going to own an old MS studio.
yurinka
Member
Sony now owns both Bungie as company and all their IPs, present and future.
So if Sony wants they could sell the studio or their IPs. Or botht. Or in a couple of years if Sony changes their mind, to stop that 'independence', or to give these IPs to some of the other studios they also own, or to force Bungie to make Knack & Barbie Call of Horsez. Or to fire all their workers, or replace the studio management. Or to mandate them to make all their games Ouya exclusive.
As of now Jimbo decided to keep Bungie as a separate multiplatform publisher but inside SIE, so reporting to Jimbo. SIE now will own two publishers: Bungie and PS Studios. They will have creative freedom and are allowed to make their future games multiplatform, but always under the supervision and approval of SIE/Jimbo. They are as 'independent' as their boss Jimbo allows them to be. Jimbo could sell Bungie but not their IPs, or to sell their IPs but not Bungie. Or to sell both. Bungie can't sell their IPs because now Sony owns them, and Bungie can't decide to leave or sell their studio because now Sony owns it.
Gamepass costs a good amount of money per year, it may be a good deal but isn't free.
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FlyyGOD
Member
That's because the MLB demanded the game be multiplatform. Sony had no choice or lose the license.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
You have been awfully quite lately. Its time to listen to your sister.
FlyyGOD
Member
The deal say bungie has complete autonomy and retains the rights to anything they create. They also will remain a multiplatform company.
DrJamesOxford
Neo Member
Great hot take. Lol. Needed that laugh, thanks. I played Destiny 2 when I picked up my series s and was blown away by the graphics and gunplay. Add some of that sony polish and quality and the sky is the limit for bungie IMHO.
yurinka
Member
The first Destiny generated $1B in less than a year, a few months later it reached 25M units sold. It obviously kept selling a lot, then it got the sequel and a ton of expansions. You may not like it, but it's super successful. And Sony can continue milking it not only with sequels, but also with movies or tv shows.
And they not only buy this IP, Sony also gets the other new IPs they are developing and the ones they will develop in the future. And these guys know a thing or two of making IPs, in addition to Destiny they made Halo. Plus they have 900 workers, which means they have multiple AAA being developed at the same time.
In addition to this, now Sony has a top FPS, a top MP game and a top GaaS. Plus all its knowledge, data, tools and tech, that will be very helpful for their other teams who may want to learn or improve on these areas.
remember_spinal
Banned
I think this is their grieving process because theres just no way….
remember_spinal
Banned
It’s funny how sony kind of ends up looking like the good guy in the end.
Microsoft ended up buying two major publishers and took bethesda games off playstation (starfield, ES6, etc.), and they’re pretty much threatning to take the biggest multiplayer game off playstation now.
Sony buys bungie, promises to upgrade the studio and keep everything multiplat. Looks like Sony are the ones that wants gaming for everyone.
Microsoft ended up buying two major publishers and took bethesda games off playstation (starfield, ES6, etc.), and they’re pretty much threatning to take the biggest multiplayer game off playstation now.
Sony buys bungie, promises to upgrade the studio and keep everything multiplat. Looks like Sony are the ones that wants gaming for everyone.
Leyasu
Banned
Grieving over bungo? Lol Do you think that they will make threads saying that Microsoft’s new purchases could take them to the next level as well?
In all fairness though, there was a discussion about 8hrs ago where people were saying that Sony didn’t own the I.p. I couldn’t be bothered to reply because it seemed ridiculous. What was the 3+ Bn for then?
yurinka
Member
It's isn't a 'deal' where they 'retain the rights'. It's an acquisition, Sony bought Bungie and its rights for $3.6B. Bungie and all current and future IPs belong to SIE, Sony owns these 'rights' and not Bungie.
Jimbo decided to allow them to continue as multiplatform publisher (under SIE, Jimbo is their boss) instead of to include them as another development studio under PlayStation Studios. So SIE now will have two publishers: PS Studios and Bungie.
I think he won't do it, but Jimbo could change his mind somewhere in the future and put them inside PS Studios, or to shut down the studio, or to replace their management, or to sell the IP, rename or sell the studio, or to put other teams to work on Destiny sequels even if Bungie doesn't like it, or to put Bungie to make Parappa the Rapper games, or to mandate them to make only exclusive games. And Bungie will have to accept it because Jimbo bought them.
MS said they plan to continue supporting on non-MS platforms (which includes PS) Zenimax and ABK communities/IPs that were already there before the acquisition. Mentioned that their strategy with future Bethesda games will be 'first or better on Xbox', for ABK did use Minecraft (which got all its new games, updates and dlc on PS post acquisition) as example to explain it to their investors and Spencer even explicitly said they want to keep CoD on PS.
So pretty likely CoD will continue forever on PS, and if ES6 really ends being an exclusive there is the possibility that it could be a timed console exclusive. Starfield may stay as exclusive on XBox since they won't be keeping it from PS since never has been there and because they will also have some exclusives. Regarding Bungie, seems that unless Jimbo changes their mind somewhere in the future, Destiny 2 and all their future games will be exclusive too.
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Von Hugh
Member
How are Sony's promises better than Microsoft's promises?
Leyasu
Banned
Good guy bad guy is bullshit and nothing but fanboys touching themselves thinking.
Bungies game that comes after destiny 2 won’t be on Xbox. Jim like Phil is securing content for their platform, not running a charity or doing things so that their fanboys will love them more than they already do.
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EDMIX
Member
They did good guy Sony things, you going to need to deal with this
Leyasu
lol"Bungies game that comes after destiny 2 won’t be on Xbox" Well.....not really.
Destiny 2 and future Bungie games will stay cross-platform after Sony purchase
"We are by no means done" purchasing studios, Sony's Jim Ryan says
Future Bungie games will remain multi-platform
Following the news of the Sony deal, Bungie released additional comments to reassure its fans. This small An FAQ that starts with the three main pillars of the Desnity 2 vision: Same community, different platforms (Destiny 2 will remain multi-platform) Creative freedom, self-publishing One game...
www.aroged.com
I understand with Destiny 2 as it clearly still exist, I even understand if Destiny 3 was already being made and they couldn't really back out of that, but they are saying "games" as in plural and they are even stating their new IP is included in this. So looks like good guy Sony indeed wants this to be their GAAS game on all platforms
What if 6 months ago when this deal started, Sony wasn't even going have it on all platforms and was like "it will be on PS consoles.....dats it"
Why?
So when that Activision deal happened, they needed some leverage and if MS wants the future CODs only on limited systems, well looks like Destiny is the new multiplatform FPS king and will be on ALL PLATFORMS lol (troll face)
Forcings MS hand like this means they need to compete to even keep COD's value up against the likes of Destiny, if the whole point of this GAAS thing is to get the most people to spend the most money, being off the biggest platform doesn't really help, so Sony backing Bungie is a killer combination. Who knows how that deal effected this deal.
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Leyasu
Look, I got to take Sony on their word on this one as they don't normally buy such teams and then state something like those games will be else where or continue to be or even THE NEXT NEW game they are working on. What they stated is simply too much to assume its just a lolz PR move. They are saying some specific shit we have not heard they say before regarding a purchase. I also agree with you on the whole IP thing as I have no clue why anyone would believe after 3 billion the wouldn't own teh IP, I'm just going off of what Sony and Bungie have stated, I won't assume, I won't guess, I'll just read what they put out and comment on that.
I agree that the whole IP thing sounded dumb asf and just made no sense, but I think they mean exactly what they are saying about those future games and that this purchase was for some GAAS thing and they want it to be on many platforms to pull it off. The even stated those games would release, even on "rival platforms"
PlayStation: Bungie deal is about multiplatform, live-service games
PlayStation's acquisition of Bungie may not result in exclusive PS5 games, but it will allow the platform holder to sig…
www.gamesindustry.biz
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remember_spinal
Banned
Good guy bad guy is bullshit and nothing but fanboys touching themselves thinking.
Bungies game that comes after destiny 2 won’t be on Xbox. Jim like Phil is securing content for their platform, not running a charity or doing things so that their fanboys will love them more than they already do.
I’ve heard about good guy phil for like 3 years now, and suddenly i can’t play half the new games of the IP i bought last gen.
a good chunk of 3rd party has been stripped away from playstation owners, sony has yet to buy a major 3rd party publisher or take any games away from xbox
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Leyasu
Banned
They did good guy Sony things, you going to need to deal with this
"Bungies game that comes after destiny 2 won’t be on Xbox" Well.....not really.
Destiny 2 and future Bungie games will stay cross-platform after Sony purchase
"We are by no means done" purchasing studios, Sony's Jim Ryan sayswww.gamesradar.com
Future Bungie games will remain multi-platform
Following the news of the Sony deal, Bungie released additional comments to reassure its fans. This small An FAQ that starts with the three main pillars of the Desnity 2 vision: Same community, different platforms (Destiny 2 will remain multi-platform) Creative freedom, self-publishing One game...
I understand with Destiny 2 as it clearly still exist, I even understand if Destiny 3 was already being made and they couldn't really back out of that, but they are saying "games" as in plural and they are even stating their new IP is included in this. So looks like good guy Sony indeed wants this to be their GAAS game on all platforms
What if 6 months ago when this deal started, Sony wasn't even going have it on all platforms and was like "it will be on PS consoles.....dats it"
Why?
So when that Activision deal happened, they needed some leverage and if MS wants the future CODs only on limited systems, well looks like Destiny is the new multiplatform FPS king and will be on ALL PLATFORMS lol (troll face)
Forcings MS hand like this means they need to compete to even keep COD's value up against the likes of Destiny, if the whole point of this GAAS thing is to get the most people to spend the most money, being off the biggest platform doesn't really help, so Sony backing Bungie is a killer combination. Who knows how that deal effected this deal.
Someone asked me last night if I was wilfully ignoring what was said yesterday when I said that bungies games will eventually skip Xbox and I replied that I was.
I will say it again and again until their next I.p is announced and confirmed. After destiny 2, Bungies games will be PlayStation and pc only. If they don’t, then I will gladly eat crow. Until then, I don’t believe for one second that they will stay on Xbox.
Orta
Banned
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
We will see who keeps them. We will see if Sony like MS is able to decry exclusivity deals while making them (Tomb Raider) or stating games reaching everyone as biggest value in the land and taking those known multiplatform games away from one of the currently supported platforms
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captainraincoat
Banned
Lol….this is Sony we are talking about
You will pay and you will smile while doing it
EDMIX
Member
I guess.
Its odd to ever say this, I don't really even know what Sony would gain tbh, they've never stated this when buying some team, like ever. To be so specific as to say the next game and the whole Destiny series....it sounds like they are not just talking about Destiny 2 and to say it like "series" sounds like they plan to continue it, but they also have that new IP.
Destiny 3 and new IP to be on many systems simply doesn't sound like a 1 off thing, it sounds like that is what Sony wants and is ok with for this whole GAAS thing. Look, if this was done any other way I wouldn't say this, but I need to go off of the facts and historically how Sony as a publisher has communicated this stuff.
So this isn't to say 1 generation from now they won't do some new PS exclusive or something, its simply to state that Destiny and that next IP they are making will be on many platforms and they stated rivals as to imply MS.
That doesn't sound like that new IP is skipping XB even remotely, if we are all wrong though, I'd love to know what the plan was and why they stated it this way.
I'll eat crow too if I'm wrong lol
This really surprised me. Bungie struck a power pose after ending the publishing agreement with Activision, after once again feeling stifled by outside influence. Since then, they received $100 million in investment (the Eastern company’s name eludes me at the moment), they’re in the process of massively expanding their Seattle office and they’re scheduled to form and build Bungie Amsterdam.
Ironically some of their best output on Destiny 2 was with the support of High Moon and Vicarious Visions, ironically now owned my MS, and yet D2 is in the best place it has been, with a major expansion days away. They’ve admitted they can’t match the output they had when they had the support of some of Activision’s subsidiaries, but I have to think Pete Parson’s has faith in the deal in allowing Bungie to reach the potential of D2, Matter and whatever else is in the pipeline.
I’m in a very, very small minority on here, being an avid D2 fanatic and also exclusively an Xbox owner. Not through pride or brand loyalty, but simply because that’s where my friends are.
If this statement is honored and Bungie truly stay multi platform, then I have nothing to worry about. I don’t even care for any other IP’s really; I have a 7 year attachment to Destiny and as much as it is a meme for a lot for the internet, those 7 years have provided some of the greatest and serendipitous moments in my gaming, ever.
Business going to business though. I’m torn between all these acquisitions lately; more and more I feel like the console wars of old are a thing of the past, that particularly MS just want to shift games, either through sales or GamePass, to as many consumers as possible, irrespective of their chosen platform. Sony or Microsoft can do whatever they want with their property and there’s nothing any number of fans, customers or haters can do about it…it would just really suck to have something you love taken away.
Here’s hoping Bungie can realize their ambitions with D2, pump out another hit franchise and we can all play together in a romantic and welcoming gaming utopia.
I can dream right?
Ironically some of their best output on Destiny 2 was with the support of High Moon and Vicarious Visions, ironically now owned my MS, and yet D2 is in the best place it has been, with a major expansion days away. They’ve admitted they can’t match the output they had when they had the support of some of Activision’s subsidiaries, but I have to think Pete Parson’s has faith in the deal in allowing Bungie to reach the potential of D2, Matter and whatever else is in the pipeline.
I’m in a very, very small minority on here, being an avid D2 fanatic and also exclusively an Xbox owner. Not through pride or brand loyalty, but simply because that’s where my friends are.
If this statement is honored and Bungie truly stay multi platform, then I have nothing to worry about. I don’t even care for any other IP’s really; I have a 7 year attachment to Destiny and as much as it is a meme for a lot for the internet, those 7 years have provided some of the greatest and serendipitous moments in my gaming, ever.
Business going to business though. I’m torn between all these acquisitions lately; more and more I feel like the console wars of old are a thing of the past, that particularly MS just want to shift games, either through sales or GamePass, to as many consumers as possible, irrespective of their chosen platform. Sony or Microsoft can do whatever they want with their property and there’s nothing any number of fans, customers or haters can do about it…it would just really suck to have something you love taken away.
Here’s hoping Bungie can realize their ambitions with D2, pump out another hit franchise and we can all play together in a romantic and welcoming gaming utopia.
I can dream right?
cireza
Member
This is indeed a nice change from the usual "Not buying someone to remove the game from somewhere else".
Dream-Knife
Banned
PlayStation: Bungie deal is about multiplatform, live-service games
PlayStation's acquisition of Bungie may not result in exclusive PS5 games, but it will allow the platform holder to sig…
www.gamesindustry.biz
Elbow Identity Shallow
Member
People seem to be missing out on the only thing of importance here. Once this is complete people will be able to log into bungie.net, which will be Sony's property and use Master Chief as their avatar!!
Yeah, I knew you'd all be impressed!!!
You're very welcome.
Yeah, I knew you'd all be impressed!!!
You're very welcome.
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Orta
Banned
Are you serious? Cast your mind back to the 32/64 bit days, if it was up for grabs Sony threw money at every dev and publisher with their hands out for exclusivity. When Sony arrived on the scene they started the ball rolling with this shit.
Lets not kid ourselves that Sony is the good guy and MS the bad guy, they'll both fuck us over for every last penny given the chance.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
After Cod goes exclusive.
this basically Cements that if a game doesn’t come to Xbox it is supposedly Bungies decision because they are their own publisher still.
takes the heat from Sony but I just can’t see how Sony doesn’t influence Bungies decisions. This whole deal is crazy.
sony just basically funded Bungie 3.6 billion but I guess as long as they don’t let them go free they can sell them onto whoever is interested next time and at least make some money back?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
this is one of the best takes I’ve seen on here in a while. Making Bungies ability to negotiate incredible terms look Like a win for Sony.
Bungie just negotiated like an absolute G in this deal and for some reason Sony went for it. Yes, those games will come to Xbox still but you will see more dodgy Sony exclusivity shit that you have ever seen before I bet, like exclusive content in guns and DLC being like 2 years timed exclusive to PlayStation platforms or where the PlayStation services exist.
saying that, after Jim’s latest statements Sony seems more and more keen to support console less and wants to push beyond the console and get into PC and mobile pretty heavily.
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