kingfey
Banned
Ms won't be in monopoly, even if they buy take2, ubisoft and EA.
They need to have 50% of console market, to be considered a monopoly.
As long as Nintendo and Sony exist and have huge chunk of market.
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They need to have 50% of console market, to be considered a monopoly.
As long as Nintendo and Sony exist and have huge chunk of market.
Swift_Star
Banned
This is where I stand.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Well if Ricardo Tubby himself, Jeff Grubb is to be believed (never believe a word he says when Sony are involved) there was a bidding war, so MS lost a bidding war to Sony.
Sony spent 5/6 months reaching a deal on this and it appears that MS only enquired on Activision about a month or so before announcement. When MS bought Activision they knew Sony had Bungie. So which purchase was the reactive one?
I said that Halo is famous for different reasons than Destiny. im sure that also if is more played (as gaas) if you ask to the Xbox community what game they prefer they would say Halo everyday if the week. That said i don't think that Bungie are a good deal at 3.6b but i understand bwhy Sony had to spend it
GymWolf
Gold Member
And you want capcom or square games on their shitty hardware??
Mh rise was enough dude, nintendo can buy another company who stopped progressing graphic in 2005 or so, but not the big ones who also care about the eye candy, at least i hope.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No, you just started mentioning things that had nothing to do with Halo vs Destiny. It just looked like a desperate attempt to bring in other games into the conversation.
IllegalLemon
Member
Just another journalism clown who is once again trying to capitalise on the current acquisition news situation in order to get more clicks and attention. Grubb & Corden have proven they know jack shit about what's going on, much like the Zenimax, ActiBlizz, Bungie acquisitions they knew nothing about and attempted to damage control to cover their tracks and their "reputation". They know absolutely nothing, much like every pretend "leakster" clown out there, who tries to get in on the fun for attention and coverage. Nothing to see here really, just purposeful vagueness. It's the only way for those dudes to get attention anyways.
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It's different Ms didn't want pay that amount of money because they probably didn't think Destiny or Bungie as dev were not worth that money especially because it was clear from the start that they wanted to remain independent and multi-platform. Right after that they spent x20 times for the biggest third party publisher who had the most famous fps out thereWell if Ricardo Tubby himself, Jeff Grubb is to be believed (never believe a word he says when Sony are involved) there was a bidding war, so MS lost a bidding war to Sony.
Sony spent 5/6 months reaching a deal on this and it appears that MS only enquired on Activision about a month or so before announcement. When MS bought Activision they knew Sony had Bungie. So which purchase was the reactive one?
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MrTentakel
Member
Corporations are not like 12 year old gamers with an urgent need to spend their weekly allowance on random shit.
Merger decisions are strategic, well planned and have to deliver a long term ROI to the shareholders.
Neither Microsoft nor Sony are impulse shopping or have money lying around to spend on whatever management desires.
It´s a fucking business you muppets.
Merger decisions are strategic, well planned and have to deliver a long term ROI to the shareholders.
Neither Microsoft nor Sony are impulse shopping or have money lying around to spend on whatever management desires.
It´s a fucking business you muppets.
Ozrimandias
Member
To me, in this order
- Square Enix
- From Software
- Capcom
- Konami
- Remedy
- Kojima Pro
- The rest
- Square Enix
- From Software
- Capcom
- Konami
- Remedy
- Kojima Pro
- The rest
ManaByte
Gold Member
Sony spent the latter half of the PS3 generation building up their studios to produce single-player games along the mold of Uncharted while GAAS titles like Fortnite and Destiny became the big moneymakers in the industry. With PlayStation Studios setup in the SP direction, Sony didn’t have time to organically create a GAAS developer, so they went after Bungie because they were already successful in that genre.
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So you thinking that Sony bought Destinybecause it beat Halo and after 20 years finally have an halo killer?????? Clearly we have to take everything into consideration lol Ms is not longer chained to halo forza gear
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Seems more a move of desperation honestly.
Helghan
Member
Which they can't pay, maybe a merger would make more sense
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No, you're just getting desperate because you didn't like what I said about Halo.
I just pointed out that Destiny 2 is currently the more popular game. It's a fact, take it or leave it. This has nothing to do with being a Halo killer. Mentioning other games doesn't add or support your argument as to what was said. It's like you want to somehow "win" something by bringing other games into the conversation.
Thirty7ven
Banned
It won’t fall through even though 70B is more money than MS has made from Xbox in its entire existence, but there might be grounds to force MS to guarantee they won’t force certain games out of their rivals platforms which is interesting if we look at Bungie - Sony.
LeftThumbstick
Member
Yeah it’s more likely a reaction to the Bethesda deal which happened about a year ago instead and Phil Spencer saying they weren’t done yet, a couple months of deciding who to go for and here we are.
That said, Xbox was apparently only in talks with Activision from November and they spent 70 billion on them which would literally only be about 8-12 weeks to spend that kind of money on a full publisher with multiple studios and IP.
Not sure where the “it takes months and years not weeks” come from considering none of you are in a position nor have the knowledge to make such claims.
lostinblue
Banned
They have plans to ditch it and call it EA Sports FC.
Midn1ght
Member
Developers across the PlayStation Studios network pushed repeatedly for Sony to bring their games to PC
Cory Barlog: “I think it was the collective of studios all over saying this is a really good idea. We should be looking into this,” he replied. “Eventually, I think it reached that tipping point. When we had sent so many suggestion box suggestions that they were like, ‘I’m tired of hearing all this. Fine, we’ll do this.’
Congrats on the transition by the way, a few more months on the blue pill and you'll be a beautiful, strong and independent pony. <3
Joke aside, I get what you're saying but with consoles being hard to find (not impossible), kids being at home with PC to study and Twitch/Youtube celebs being mostly on PC, it's easy to see why the platform is growing. Also, just guessing here, but to me the meat of the matter is Asia where PC gaming is probably growing like never before.
I think OP should stop drugs but I agree. From Microsoft never giving DLSS option to Sony locking games on consoles for years, shit could be bad for PC owners. It could also be the opposite and see Sony releasing their games quicker on the platform. Let's wait and see. Either way PC is fine if we ignore the current insane prices to enter the hobby.
Ok let's say is famous than Halo and? What changes for Microsoft?
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Only in your mind.
Could PlayStation the company buy Bungie? Yes.
Could Xbox the company buy Activision Blizzard? ahahahahhahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
Some of you should read things. This isn’t about preventing monopolies, it’s about the “financial doping” going on by big tech which is anti competitive in nature.
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Leyasu
Banned
A steam competitor or its outright purchase IS the endgame for either or both.
Make no mistake, once Microsoft or Sony or whoever feels that they have enough content gets their first, will pivot towards steam or try to build a competitor.
This hardware less future that gets spoken about on here, only happens when one or both has a massive pc storefront.
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Roxkis_ii
Member
I don't think Sony is trying to go blow to blow with Microsoft with buy studios. Think their just trying to fill a hole in their line up, just in case MS does take COD.
Side note: When did buying studios become the bar to being successful console maker. What happened caring about the actual games??
Side note: When did buying studios become the bar to being successful console maker. What happened caring about the actual games??
Ok so Sony cannot buy them
John Wick
Member
Yes! Xenon 2 was amazing. I still can't believe the music they could make out of the Amiga. Megablast still the best soundtrack.
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
The classic defence:
Who gives a shit. I don't like online FPS but I'm happy Sony are fixing their problems with this as they will keep wasting money until they get their online success. Hopefully they can then use the money on creating more games I like such as GOW, Horizon, GoT and so on.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
Do you think they put this together in a week? It is irrelevant compared to the AB acquisition. Its 1/20th the size.
Mass Shift
Member
Routine examination of the details of a multi billion dollar acquisition. Happens all the time.
Deal will still go through, probably without any major concessions as well if MS makes mention of cleaning up the Activision work environment.
Deal will still go through, probably without any major concessions as well if MS makes mention of cleaning up the Activision work environment.
Papacheeks
Banned
Who would they buy though? Lots of red tape and laws for Japanese companies to be protected. From Software is the one I would think could be bought by Tenecent, possibly Namco/Bandai since they have ties to some Chinese companies that are holdings for developers like From Software.
darrylgorn
Member
I've been playing on PC for decades and haven't entered the BIOS once.
Thirty7ven
Banned
People trying to equate the two are crazy. MS has done a great marketing job, but they are the OG Silicon Valley super villain, and their lobbying power is insane. People who actually celebrate MS (not Xbox, which is absolutely fine) are insane.
Microsoft's shadowy presence in antitrust push is angering the rest of Big Tech
Much to the exasperation of rivals Apple Inc. and Google parent Alphabet Inc., Microsoft Corp. pointedly diverted attention to its rivals. That prompted...
www.marketwatch.com
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Orbital2060
Member
There are 10.000 work places at stake here, too. Which might a be factor in the consideration by the government. I dont think anyone else could take over stewardship of the whole organisation like this, other than then a handful of the big tech companies out there. If the deal does not go through, it wont so much be a loss for Microsoft - they can just carry on. But the situation for the people working at ActiBlizz will be back to scratch, or the rut they find themselves in now - with the company being sold in parts. A studio going here, another studio going there.. all broken up. With possibly a lot of redundancies made in that process.
Kerotan
Member
It's a obvious this is a defensive move. When MS were buying up studios left and right including studios that worked very closely with playstation sony went and secured insomniac amongst other studios. This wasn't normal for sony and without the threat of MS they would have happily left them all be.
The Zenimax sale would have rattled them and as a result sony would have been thinking bungie and maybe 1 or two others. After the Activision deal do they now go after T2, Ubi, Capcom etc?
The Zenimax sale would have rattled them and as a result sony would have been thinking bungie and maybe 1 or two others. After the Activision deal do they now go after T2, Ubi, Capcom etc?
If for some crazy reason this acquisition falls through Jim will probably try to get a refund for Bungie
. On a serious note talks of the bungie acquisition began before the Activision one. Activision talks began end of October. Bungie talks were in August.
Microsoft's attempt to expand to PC gaming failed first with GFWL then later the actual Windows store. People hated the first and just ignored the second. They struck big when they put games on Steam.
Regardless of what big moves you do if your consumers don't want it it doesn't matter. Just ask Epic.
PC will be fine. I doubt as long as Gaben is alive the company is sold.
Regardless of what big moves you do if your consumers don't want it it doesn't matter. Just ask Epic.
PC will be fine. I doubt as long as Gaben is alive the company is sold.
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THE:MILKMAN
Member
I would assume for such a huge potential purchase MS would've run this by the FTC for any issues before announcing it? Seems common sense to me unless it isn't allowed?
Kerotan
Member
It's in response to Zenimax. Just how buying insomniac was a response to MS shopping spree of independent devs some of which were working on playstation exclusives. The Activision deal with push Sony to go for more and even bigger acquisitions in future. It's do or die at this point.
Kadve
Member
And if it wasn't for them the console might never have been as successful. As they where the ones that developed the Original Game development kit for it.
Kerotan
Member
Same here. They just screem of attention for self promotion.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Yeah, Jim initiated all the talks, and bought Bungie for over 3b (one of Sony's biggest acquisitions ever) in less than 2 weeks. /sIf for some crazy reason this acquisition falls through Jim will probably try to get a refund for Bungie
Anyway this is standard procedure with big acquisitions. MS won't have problems with this.
Kerotan
Member
EA is such a bad purchase. For that price they could get Ubi, Take 2, Capcom and still have change left over. And those 3 would buy them real leverage over MS with their exclusive Bethesda bullshit and inevitable future attempts to make cod exclusive.
Badlucktroll
Member
Why would Sony take Konami? I don't see it happening. Maybe if Silent Hill and Metal Gear were huge AAA franchises right now.