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[kingfey]

Casuals enter a gaming shop, find only PS4/5 and their games, gaming PC parts, Nintendo Switch and games, and extremely rarely an Xbox that has been bought from a scalper from the US and most of the time with no discs. So what do you think the casual will do? Buy a console where he can't trade his discs, or pay $180/year upfront for a service that doesn't work locally and you need to maneuver and workaround? Also with zero localization (language barrier). You need to get off your bubble. US market is huge, but it's not THE WORLD.

Why are you guys do adiminant, that these guys wont buy Xbox, because COD is exclusive to that console, and its xbox thing to buy?

Did moving from x360 to ps4 Wipeout your memory?

If they have ps4/ps5, how would they be able to play future COD, without a gaming PC or Xbox?

 

[Bernkastel]

Why are you guys do adiminant, that these guys wont buy Xbox, because COD is exclusive to that console, and its xbox thing to buy?

COD will never be exclusive. They made that clear.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Why are you guys do adiminant, that these guys wont buy Xbox, because COD is exclusive to that console, and its xbox thing to buy?

Did moving from x360 to ps4 Wipeout your memory?

If they have ps4/ps5, how would they be able to play future COD, without a gaming PC or Xbox?

 

[kingfey]

I do not see Microsoft making Call of Duty exclusive to Xbox. For one it's a juggernaut and having it everywhere will rake in the money.

People always ignore the new gen, and think the ps4 is the new gen.

Tell me sir, how will Playstation give Xbox more money for COD, when they don't even have 40m ps5 consoles?

Steam at moment can bring those money back easily.

Not to mention making it exclusive would probably make the deal harder to go through with the FTC.

It won't. That is just fanboys mouth water wish.

They can make certain things in COD exclusive that could pull some PlayStation owners over, but I do not see Phil doing that either

Their goal is gamepass. Doing that, would not help their gamepass service.

The real play here is Series S and that much more content for Gamepass. With Bethesda, Activision, Blizzard, and Xbox games Studios games day one on Gamepass it's a heavy sell. No one in their right mind could argue it would be the absolute best deal in gaming.

This is something casuals will pick up fast, because it's very cheap, and also supports 120 fps mode. Very good for games like COD.

You might not get a ton of invested PlayStation players to abandon Sony. How many might just pick up a cheap Series S and sub to Gamepass?

That didn't help Xbox one at all. 35m x360 users went to ps4.

Consumers go where there is value. They don't care what they have now. They care what they will have in the future.

As for the other ActiBlizz titles, the ones without contracts will probably be exclusive.

Until the contractual agreement is done, it will be multiplat. Once that deal is done, it will be gamepass exclusive.


Sony has a chance though. They have Socom and now bungie. It's time for them to make their own COD.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

The management individuals that comprise the independent board of directors as of post acquisition.



They aren't just employees. A corporate board of directors has the fiduciary right to dictate how assets are utilized in a company. That generally includes IP. That is why corporate entity status is important. But @Thirty7ven is right typically shareholders elect who is on the board. But based on how the deal has been described in terms of the way they stressed board independence, it is impossible for me to believe that Sony can make adjustments at will per contractual agreements. I have decent but limited working knowledge of corporate law due to tax implications of M&A deals so if there are any contract lawyers around who have seen such situations, I welcome additional insight.

The board are again also just employees. They can be removed at Sony's discretion just like how MS removed the Zenimax board

 

[kingfey]

COD will never be exclusive. They made that clear.

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It will be. You dont spend $68.7b on a company, and share it with your competitors. That is the dumbest thing in the world.

They want to increase gamepass. And making COD exclusive is n1 priority for that.

 

[kingfey]

It will tell. Just like starfield and TES6.

 

[Bernkastel]

It will be. You dont spend $68.7b on a company, and share it with your competitors. That is the dumbest thing in the world.

They want to increase gamepass. And making COD exclusive is n1 priority for that.

They didn't spend 68.7 b only for COD though. Don't why are we speculating on matters that have been officially clarified.

It will tell. Just like starfield and TES6.

And they said it will be exclusive, always.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It will tell. Just like starfield and TES6.

As if we're not getting countless of top end quality games on PS. These two have so much to prove and let's wait for actual gameplay, not CGI bullshot.

 

[kingfey]

As if we're not getting countless of top end quality games on PS. These two have so much to prove and let's wait for actual gameplay, not CGI bullshot.

Same thing for xbox.

What you said isn't exclusive to Playstation too. Nintendo does it, xbox does it.

And are you really saying bethesda needs to prove itself? You mean the people who made skyrim on a crappy engine, needs to prove themselves?

What happened to bethesda being top developers in the world? Did that reputation got in to the mud, because the have X in their parent company?

 

[kingfey]

They didn't spend 68.7 b only for COD though. Don't why are we speculating on matters that have been officially clarified

Because COD moves players. And they want to increase gamepass.

CoD users simply won't be an Xbox at all, if it comes to ps5. They won't do that. Only way to make them, is make it exclusive.

And they said it will be exclusive, always

People didn't get that memo. And they aren't getting for Activision.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Same thing for xbox.

What you said isn't exclusive to Playstation too. Nintendo does it, xbox does it.

And are you really saying bethesda needs to prove itself? You mean the people who made skyrim on a crappy engine, needs to prove themselves?

What happened to bethesda being top developers in the world? Did that reputation got in to the mud, because the have X in their parent company?

You're as good as your latest installment. Like CDPR, from making a generation-defining game to a laughing stock. For such situation you always need to regain your premium status by proving yourself.

 

[SSfox]

Square Enix would make the most sense and then maybe Kadokawa.

SE absolutely.

Kadokawa would be awesome but there seem to be a lot of companies that has parts on them, so dunno if Sony can buy them, at least it seems a little complexe.

 

[SSfox]

Same thing for xbox.

What you said isn't exclusive to Playstation too. Nintendo does it, xbox does it.

And are you really saying bethesda needs to prove itself? You mean the people who made skyrim on a crappy engine, needs to prove themselves?

What happened to bethesda being top developers in the world? Did that reputation got in to the mud, because the have X in their parent company?

I insanely loved Skyrim, had 340 hours playthrough on my main where I did everything possible. And few other hours with others builds. I actually love Skyrim way more than TW3 just to say.

That being said, Skyrim is 2011 game is something to keep in mind, so in a sens yes Beth need to prove themselves, specially after the garbage can Fallout 76.

 

[Bernkastel]

People didn't get that memo.

I made these three threads after Zenimax purchase before it was finalized

Phil Spencer on Bethesda IP exclusivity | Yahoo Finance

Credits to @Hix for finding it. https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/xbox-series-x-most-powerful-170813309.html At 4:33 In terms of where games will show up, our commitment is that our games will show up on Game Pass, PC, console and xCloud. In terms of other platforms we'll take it on a case by case...

www.neogaf.com

Phil Spencer further clarifies the nature of Bethesda exclusivity

https://kotaku.com/xbox-boss-phil-spencer-on-series-x-launch-halo-infinit-1845392984 Spencer had said in previous interviews that existing deals involving ZeniMax games would still be honored, suggesting that something like the time-traveling game Deathloop would still come first to PS5, as...

www.neogaf.com

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xboxs-ben-decker-says-they-will-address-exclusivity-of-zenimax-titles-after-acquisition-but-their-goal-is-to-get-more-people-into-xbox-community.1578319/

The difference is this time they are clear that COD will be multiplatform, interestingly they specifically mention COD not the other Blizzard stuffs. If MS can fix the issues with Blizzard management some amazing games can come out of it.

 

[kingfey]

I insanely loved Skyrim, had 340 hours playthrough on my main where I did everything possible. And few other hours with others builds. I actually love Skyrim way more than TW3 just to say.

That being said, Skyrim is 2011 game is something to keep in mind, so in a sens yes Beth need to prove themselves, specially after the garbage can Fallout 76.

Skyrim come out on poorly aged engine.

Engine these days have been massively improved.

As for FO76, that is valid criticism. They worked on fixing it though. It's much better game, than before.

 

[kingfey]

I made these three threads after Zenimax purchase before it was finalized

Phil Spencer on Bethesda IP exclusivity | Yahoo Finance

Credits to @Hix for finding it. https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/xbox-series-x-most-powerful-170813309.html At 4:33 In terms of where games will show up, our commitment is that our games will show up on Game Pass, PC, console and xCloud. In terms of other platforms we'll take it on a case by case...

www.neogaf.com

Phil Spencer further clarifies the nature of Bethesda exclusivity

https://kotaku.com/xbox-boss-phil-spencer-on-series-x-launch-halo-infinit-1845392984 Spencer had said in previous interviews that existing deals involving ZeniMax games would still be honored, suggesting that something like the time-traveling game Deathloop would still come first to PS5, as...

www.neogaf.com

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xboxs-ben-decker-says-they-will-address-exclusivity-of-zenimax-titles-after-acquisition-but-their-goal-is-to-get-more-people-into-xbox-community.1578319/

The difference is this time they are clear that COD will be multiplatform, interestingly they specifically mention COD not the other Blizzard stuffs. If MS can fix the issues with Blizzard management some amazing games can come out of it.

Warzone, and the upcoming COD games, before the deal is done.

They said very clearly, they will honor contractual agreement. Playstation has marketing rights for certain years. Once that is done, it going to the vault.

Samething he clearly said about bethesda. Deathloop and ghost wire tokyo.

 

[Bernkastel]

Warzone, and the upcoming COD games, before the deal is done.

They said very clearly, they will honor contractual agreement. Playstation has marketing rights for certain years. Once that is done, it going to the vault.

Samething he clearly said about bethesda. Deathloop and ghost wire tokyo.

They clearly didn't say the same thing.

 

[The_Mike]

The actual game is not free 2 play.
It is not about DLC.

You can play old content for free but it is very limited and you are not actually playing Destiny 2 until you pay for the game.

It is not a F2P game where you can play everything with everybody.

bTW Bungie never called it “free to play”… it is is called Play for Free to avoid confusion.

You need to check up on what a free to play game is.

A f2p game is where the base game is free.
If I can boot it up, and play it without having to spend a single dime, then it's f2p

Think of eso on gamepass. Base content is free. But you need other contents to play the full game.

How can you even compare a game, that is completely free to download, no strings attached, with a service you have to pay for, in order to play.

You cant get the base game for free this is insane spin lol.
By that logic then all games are f2p on gamepass.

"think of wow as a subscription. Base game is free but you have to pay for expansions to play the full game".

How can you write that with a straight face

Those things are unrelated. Do you really believe MS would’ve created gamepass and play anywhere had they been on first place? Everyone and their mother know this was an act of desperation to remain relevant.

So... Is Sony looking to be the third of the three big because of spartakus?

They aren’t. They did to remain relevant and don’t shut Xbox down. It was the only thing they could do in order to survive. Sorry, bud, MS is not this ultra smart company you think it is.

Microsoft net worth as of February 04, 2022 is $2293.59B.

Sony net worth is $143 billion.

Source

Microsoft is a indie company.
Only worth 16 times more than sony

Before you spin it, both net worths are calculated with every department at both places.

It’s not about FPS but GAAS. Because despite what the vocal majority on GAF says, that’s what the mass market is playing and where the real gaming money is in 2022.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

The echo chamber on Gaf always thought that the reason people buy a PlayStation is only because of the exclusives.

It's not. They wanna play where their friends are.

Not sure about that tbh...

This Bungie purchase will change nothing for ps and Xbox users, everything bungie will release on both ps xbox and PC (maybe no Nintendo but more because of hardware thing likely)

If they wanted to respond to MS they should've bought Take2 and lock gta6 as ps exclusive, for example.

Maybe they did, but the companies declined?
Not everyone is for sale.

I'm certain that the only reason kotick wanted to sell was because of all the scandals and he just wanted a good deal before abandoning ship.

I still believe that these IPs will gain their money back faster than people actually believe.

That is the article’s words not Jim.

So was it back then with Spencer.

Can't eat cake and have it. COD isn't the cash cow it has been for the past decade if all of a sudden it's only releasing one game every 5 years like Halo.

Something's gotta give.

Most of which aren't even relevant.

Sony reveals most-downloaded PlayStation games in 2021​

Ps5:
downloaded games in North America:

1. NBA 2K22
2. Call of Duty: Vanguard
3. Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales
4. Madden NFL 22
5. Battlefield 2042
6. Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
7. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
8. MLB The Show 21
9. Resident Evil Village
10. Far Cry 6

For comparison, here’s the EU chart:

1. FIFA 22
2. Call of Duty: Vanguard
3. FIFA 21
4. Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales
5. Battlefield 2042
6. Among Us
7. Kena: Bridge of Spirits
8. Far Cry 6
9. It Takes Two
10. Assassin’s Creed Valhalla
11. F1 2021
12. Resident Evil Village
13. NBA 2K22
14. Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
15. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War

PS4

North America:

1. Grand Theft Auto V
2. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
3. Minecraft
4. NBA 2K22
5. Call of Duty: Vanguard
6. Madden NFL 22
7. NBA 2K21
8. Red Dead Redemption 2
9. MLB The Show 21
10. Mortal Kombat 11
11. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare

European Union:

1. FIFA 22
2. Grand Theft Auto V
3. Minecraft
4. FIFA 21
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
6. The Crew 2
7. Red Dead Redemption 2
8. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt – Game of the Year Edition
9. Call of Duty: Vanguard

"COD isn't the cash cow it has been for the past decade"

"Most of which aren't even relevant"

*continues to be one of the best selling games*

How are they worth this much. Not a very exciting haul.

That's the twist, they aren't.

Destiny is a billion dollar IP. Nothing Zenimax has is close

Bungie's Annual Revenue
$2.7 Million

Bethesda Softworks's Annual Revenue
$5.2 Million

By your argument, this shouldn't matter since CoD players only play CoD, as you suggested. They would just stick to the same platform they primarily played CoD in.

If playstation no longer has cod, and you mainly bought a console to play that, you don't continue to keep an expensive console just as a paper weight.

COD will never be exclusive. They made that clear.

No, Spencer made it clear that current community will stay, not the next installments

 

[kingfey]

They clearly didn't say the same thing.

Then why are those bethesda games on Playstation and not on xbox?

Because he is honoring the deal. Same will be applied to COD.

 

[kingfey]

How can you even compare a game, that is completely free to download, no strings attached, with a service you have to pay for, in order to play.

Base content on gamepass is free for subscribers. But not the dlc. They need to pay for that.

 

[SSfox]

Skyrim come out on poorly aged engine.

I get that but it doesn't always matter much and didn't prevent Skyrim to be the masterpiece game that it was. Horizon looks more advanced graphically than Elden, yet I'm way more excited about the last one.

Heck, last week end i played Bloodborne demake and holy had a bless with it.

Not saying graphics and engines don't matter, but those aren't always the definitive answers to define great masterpiece games.

 

[The_Mike]

Base content on gamepass is free for subscribers. But not the dlc. They need to pay for that.

Base game is not free for subs. You are renting it, not getting it for free. You lose it when you unsub, that's not free.

 

[kingfey]

You're as good as your latest installment. Like CDPR, from making a generation-defying game to a laughing stock. For such situation you always need to regain your premium status by proving yourself.

I guess all past elder scroll games are equal to cdpr quality. Thnx

 

[yurinka]

So, Microsoft having Call of Duty makes Call of Duty less relevant, but Sony having Bungie now makes Bungie more relevant - even though Sony already had marketing deals for Bungie's games? If you think yearly COD players are dropping COD because its not on PlayStation, you've failed to understand casual COD players. When COD moves to Xbox only, COD players will play COD on Xbox. They don't play COD on PlayStation because they're PlayStation gamers, they play COD on PlayStation because Sony paid for time-gated COD content and they want it.

The difference is the CoD and Destiny cases is the way bigger size of Playstation both in their console userbase and presence in social media or youtube. If CoD drops their PS version, then Sony can give the marketing CoD deal to Bungie.

That would mean that many casual sales CoD got thanks to Sony marketing promoting the game in the PSN store, PlayStation youtube and social media channels, PS Blog etc now would go to Bungie. And Sony won't only do it with Destiny and the next Bungie IP, but also with new IPs coming from Deviation o Firewalk, other big 3rd party shooters etc.

Some players would move to play CoD on PC or Xbox (more for GP pricing than for exclusivity), but way more will stay on PS playing other games.

Microsoft wanted Bungie to only work on Halo. After their contract with Microsoft was up, they left.

Activision made many demands and was only worried about making a lot of money. They set a lot of unrealistic deadlines. We heard so many things about the culture behind Activision, so it shouldn't be that surprising at all.

Bungie still has a lot of independence and that's why they're in a totally different situation.

Bungie doesn't have independence anymore, SIE bought the 100% of the company. Now Jimbo is the one who owns Bungie and the Bungie IPs. For now Jimbo allows them to selfpublish as a multiplatfform publisher and gives them total creative freedom working independently from PS Studios inside SIE, and will help them in whatever they may need or want like marketing or cinema/tv/anime adaptations of Destiny.

But if somewhere in the future Jimbo changes his mind and decides to move all Bungie staff to work on a PS Vita exclusive World of Knackcraft published by PS Studios, decides to rename Bungie to JimboGames and sell the Destiny IP to the Life of Black Tiger devs, the Bungie workers will have to accept the decision of their boss and owner or to fuck off.

Each worker would be free to personally leave, but this time Bungie as brand, studio, their workers, tools, data and the Bungie IPs will remain at Sony because SIE bought them.

 

[Bernkastel]

Then why are those bethesda games on Playstation and not on xbox?

Because he is honoring the deal. Same will be applied to COD.

Yes, he said he will honour all existing contracts, what of it?

 

[kingfey]

I get that but it doesn't always matter much and didn't prevent Skyrim to be the masterpiece game that it was. Horizon looks more advanced graphically than Elden, yet I'm way more excited about the last one.

Heck, last week end i played Bloodborne demake and holy had a bless with it.

Not saying graphics and engines don't matter, but those aren't always the definitive answers to define great masterpiece games.

They didn't have games like marrowind and oblivion graphically. Skyrim was improvement from those games. But the engine itself wasn't holding out very well.

They upgraded the engine now though. Hope it turns out good graphically.

 

[kingfey]

Base game is not free for subs. You are renting it, not getting it for free. You lose it when you unsub, that's not free.

That is not what I am talking.

Base game being free for gamepass users mean, they will spend money on dlc. Wow subscription being free on gamepass means, more users will play the game, and spend money.

Its not about the games being free on gamepass itself.

Gtg for job now. Talk later.

 

[Majukun]

And they said it will be exclusive, always.

those pages and pages of thread of people arguing if bet's stuff was gonna be exclusive or not say otherwise.

reality is, no one wants to be the one "taking our games away" (remember nintendo with bayo? now multiply that for a thousand), so the first statements will always be foggy and conciliatory

The difference is the CoD and Destiny cases is the way bigger size of Playstation both in their console userbase and presence in social media or youtube. If CoD drops their PS version, then Sony can give the marketing CoD deal to Bungie.

That would mean that many casual sales CoD got thanks to Sony marketing promoting the game in the PSN store, PlayStation youtube and social media channels, PS Blog etc now would go to Bungie. And Sony won't only do it with Destiny and the next Bungie IP, but also with new IPs coming from Deviation o Firewalk, other big 3rd party shooters etc.

Some players would move to play CoD on PC or Xbox (more for GP pricing than for exclusivity), but way more will stay on PS playing other games.

cod ain't famous because of sony come on...

as per how many will switch console of choice because actibliz franchises...time will tell, but if what you are declaring is true, then companies buying exclusives (being it, ms, sony or nintendo) are essentially burning cash for nothing, because apparently people will just "switch to other franchises"

 

[Bernkastel]

No, Spencer made it clear that current community will stay, not the next installments

not the next installments

He never said that.

 

[Topher]

Bungie's Annual Revenue
$2.7 Million

Bethesda Softworks's Annual Revenue
$5.2 Million

"Destiny 2 is the second best-selling FPS franchise in the US next to Call of Duty. In its first weekend, Destiny 2 has been estimated to sell 1 million copies, and a total of 92 million units were sold in the first week at retail. Destiny 2 is now estimated to bring in anywhere from $100-$500 million dollars in revenue every year."

How much is Bungie worth? Destiny 2 player base and sales numbers

Quite a lot.

progameguides.com

No, Spencer made it clear that current community will stay, not the next installments

That was not made clear at all. Spencer made two points: 1) All existing contracts would be honored (which means marketing to me) 2) Their desire to "keep Call of Duty on PlayStation". At no point did Phil Spencer say the "next installments" will not be on PlayStation.

 

[Bernkastel]

those pages and pages of thread of people arguing if bet's stuff was gonna be exclusive or not say otherwise.

reality is, no one wants to be the one "taking our games away" (remember nintendo with bayo? now multiply that for a thousand), so the first statements will always be foggy and conciliatory

Why does it matter what people say?

 

[DForce]

Sony reveals most-downloaded PlayStation games in 2021​

Ps5:
downloaded games in North America:

1. NBA 2K22
2. Call of Duty: Vanguard
3. Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales
4. Madden NFL 22
5. Battlefield 2042
6. Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
7. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
8. MLB The Show 21
9. Resident Evil Village
10. Far Cry 6

For comparison, here’s the EU chart:

1. FIFA 22
2. Call of Duty: Vanguard
3. FIFA 21
4. Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales
5. Battlefield 2042
6. Among Us
7. Kena: Bridge of Spirits
8. Far Cry 6
9. It Takes Two
10. Assassin’s Creed Valhalla
11. F1 2021
12. Resident Evil Village
13. NBA 2K22
14. Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
15. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War

PS4

North America:

1. Grand Theft Auto V
2. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
3. Minecraft
4. NBA 2K22
5. Call of Duty: Vanguard
6. Madden NFL 22
7. NBA 2K21
8. Red Dead Redemption 2
9. MLB The Show 21
10. Mortal Kombat 11
11. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare

European Union:

1. FIFA 22
2. Grand Theft Auto V
3. Minecraft
4. FIFA 21
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
6. The Crew 2
7. Red Dead Redemption 2
8. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt – Game of the Year Edition
9. Call of Duty: Vanguard

"COD isn't the cash cow it has been for the past decade"

"Most of which aren't even relevant"

*continues to be one of the best selling games*
That's the twist, they aren't.
Bungie's Annual Revenue
$2.7 Million

Bethesda Softworks's Annual Revenue
$5.2 Million

36 million games and 3.4 million consoles sold in the UK in 2021 | UK Annual Report

35.8 million digital and physical games, 3.36 million consoles and 10.6 million accessories were sold in the UK during …

www.gamesindustry.biz

Sales for Call of Duty Vanguard, are reported to be down by a whopping 36% compared to the previous entry in the series, Black Ops Cold War.

As reported by Gamesindustry.biz, Call of Duty Vanguard sales are said to be down by 36% compared to Black Ops Cold War which was released in 2020. Furthermore, Vanguard was also down by 40% year-on-year during its opening week of sale.

Call of Duty: Vanguard saw lower premium sales than last years release.



Considering you don't know how to read stats.

2021 Most Downloaded PlayStation Games

PlayStation 5
US/Canada
1. Call of Duty: Vanguard
Europe
2. Call of Duty: Vanguard

PlayStation 4
US/Canada
5. Call of Duty: Vanguard
Europe
9. Call of Duty: Vanguard

2020 Most Downloaded PlayStation Games

PlayStation 5
US/Canada
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
Europe
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War

PlayStation 4

US/Canada
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
3. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare

Europe
4. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War

2019 Most Downloaded PlayStation Games

1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare

**The install base on PlayStation 5 is much lower than PlayStation 4.


Most played Xbox Games
2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
13. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
15. Call of Duty: Vanguard


Straight from their mouth. The sales from Vanguard have declined and the charts are proof.

 

[yurinka]

No, Spencer made it clear that current community will stay, not the next installments

No, Spencer only said they want to keep CoD on PS. And in their acquisition SEC filing Activision (and MS) told their investors and regulators that want to follow Minecraft's (who got all its post acquisitions new games, dlc and updates even many years after the acquisition) example and that they will continue working for the non-MS consoles, that the acquisition won't change that.

"

14.

How does this transaction impact existing partner agreements (i.e., Sony, Google, Apple)? Will this change what we're able to offer our partners or how we structure our agreements?

·

We will honor all existing commitments post close. As with Microsoft's acquisition of Minecraft, we have no intent to remove any content from platforms where it exists today.

·

We would be open to discussions to enter into an agreement to confirm our intent when it is appropriate to do so."

17.	What will the relationship between Xbox and Activision Blizzard be?

·

Activision Blizzard's games exist on a variety of platforms today, and we plan to continue supporting those communities moving forward.

·

The transaction is about increasing the availability of Activision Blizzard's content across more platforms. This is consistent with Microsoft's commitment to giving players more choice to play the games they want, anywhere."

And on top of that they will also honor any pending exclusivity and marketing deal they have with Sony or Nintendo.

 

[Majukun]

Why does it matter what people say?

that if they made a clear declaration from the start, that thread would haave not happened.

instead they kept it vague enough for long enough that when they dropped the exclusivity statement, the impact was lessened

same is happening with the actiblitz and bungie deals thus far, all saying they are not here to take games away...until they most likely will because you don't pay billions just for profit margins, especially because if near future profit margins were enough to pay for the acquisition itself, the acquisition price would have been higher

but as i said, i'm no industry mastermind, so maybe no exclusivity makes total sense and i just don't get it.

 

[DForce]

Bungie doesn't have independence anymore, SIE bought the 100% of the company. Now Jimbo is the one who owns Bungie and the Bungie IPs. For now Jimbo allows them to selfpublish as a multiplatfform publisher and gives them total creative freedom working independently from PS Studios inside SIE, and will help them in whatever they may need or want like marketing or cinema/tv/anime adaptations of Destiny.

But if somewhere in the future Jimbo changes his mind and decides to move all Bungie staff to work on a PS Vita exclusive World of Knackcraft published by PS Studios, decides to rename Bungie to JimboGames and sell the Destiny IP to the Life of Black Tiger devs, the Bungie workers will have to accept the decision of their boss and owner or to fuck off.

Each worker would be free to personally leave, but this time Bungie as brand, studio, their workers, tools, data and the Bungie IPs will remain at Sony because SIE bought them.

I can only go by Bungie's statement when they said they will be creatively independent. I said they'll have a lot of independence, aka, creative freedom compared to being under activision/microsoft.

 

[Ozriel]

or how The Initiative bled most of its talent so much so that they had to go and rent SE’s “crown jewel” to work on PD.

If we’re just going to make things up, why not go for something more spectacular? Like, blame aliens or Atlantean warriors unleashed from the permafrost or something.

How you say untruths unprovoked needs to be studied

 

[ethomaz]

You need to check up on what a free to play game is.

A f2p game is where the base game is free.
If I can boot it up, and play it without having to spend a single dime, then it's f2p

No.

Free to play is a game where all content is free to play… it can be grind and very slowly but you can play everything without put a penny in the game.

Destiny 2 Play for Free is just a trial or demo… you can choose what it is… not even 20% of the game is available to play for free.

Any game that doesn’t have a path to play all content without pay for it… is not free 2 play at all.

Ask Nintendo if Super Mario Run is Free to Play?
“The game is free to download. You will be able to download and enjoy a portion of Super Mario Run for free, and you can also enjoy all of the game content available in this release after paying a set purchase price.”

 

[reksveks]

that if they made a clear declaration from the start, that thread would haave not happened.

They can't make a clear declaration until the deal completed imo, it's all plans until it closes

 

[Bo_Hazem]

No.

Free to play is a game where all content is free to play… it can be grind and very slowly but you can play everything without put a penny in the game.

Destiny 2 Play for Free is just a trial or demo… you can choose what it is… not even 20% of the game is available to play for free.

Base game is F2P, the rest are paid. It's like a fine mix of both worlds. With 1M+ preorders it shows that formula is working good.

 

[yurinka]

I can only go by Bungie's statement when they said they will be creatively independent. I said they'll have a lot of independence, aka, creative freedom compared to being under activision/microsoft.

Sony is known for giving creative freedom to all their teams, won't be different for Bungie. Sony won't force them to do different games than the studio wants to make, won't ask them to change their focus or things like that. Sony bought them because Sony likes what Bungie did until now, and looks forward to Bungies future knowing future's Bungie output with Destiny 2 and he upcoming Bungie new IPs that will be released in a few years, and will support Bungie's plan to bring Bungie's IPs beyond games, to cinema/tv/animation.

Plus also will provide them any funding and marketing help needed, and will share knowledge, tools and data with the SIE and PS Studios teams in both ways.

 

[ethomaz]

Base game is F2P, the rest are paid. It's like a fine mix of both worlds. With 1M+ preorders it shows that formula is working good.

Just to be clear here it is a base game limited.
Some base location or activities are locked or even removed.

For exemple (not my list btw):

PRE BEYOND LIGHT

Destinations:

•Had FULL access to:

-EDZ

-Nessus

-Mars

-Mercury

-Io1

-Titan1



•Had LIMITED access to:

-Tangled Shore2

-Dreaming City

-The Moon



Campaigns/Quests:

•Had FULL access to:

-The Red War

-Curse of Osiris

-Warmind

-Any Exotic quest related to the above campaigns



•Had LIMITED (can only complete opening mission) access to:

-Forsaken2

-Shadowkeep



Activities:

•Had FULL access to:

-Crucible

-Vanguard

-Gambit

-Menagerie1

-Forges1

-The Whisper1

-Zero Hour1

-Adventures1

-Leviathan (and subsequent Raid Lairs)1

-Heroic Missions1

-Legacy Nightfalls1

POST BEYOND LIGHT

Destinations:

•Have FULL access to:

-EDZ

-Cosmodrome

-Nessus



•Have LIMITED access to:

-Europa

-Tangled Shore2

-Dreaming City

-The Moon



Campaigns/Quests:

•Have FULL access to:

-New Light

-New Light-related crucible/gambit/vanguard Quests



•Have LIMITED (first mission only) access to:

-Forsaken 2

-Shadowkeep

-Beyond Light



Activities:

•Have FULL access to:

-Crucible

-Vanguard

-Gambit

Let's see how much they will remove or limit in in the new expansion on Feb 22.

 

[yurinka]

They can't make a clear declaration until the deal completed imo, it's all plans until it closes

They made clear declarations in their websites and interviews: SIE now owns Bungie. Bungie now will be inside SIE but will remain a different publisher than PS Studios.

Destiny 2, its future expansions (they have many more coming), dlcs and future Bungie games and new IPs (they plan to release at least one before 2025) will continue as multi platform including non-Sony consoles. Will continue being full multiplatform with crossplay and so on. Sony will help them bring Bungie IPs to cinema/tv/animation. Bungie and PS Studios will share knowledge, data and tools to learn from each other (as all the SIE/PS Studios already do). Bungie will have creative freedom (as all the SIE/PS Studios already have).

 

[MasterCornholio]

I think we can all agree that Microsoft could have bought Bungie several times over. If that didn't happen it's due to other reasons besides just money.

 

[DJ12]

It will be. You dont spend $68.7b on a company, and share it with your competitors. That is the dumbest thing in the world.

They want to increase gamepass. And making COD exclusive is n1 priority for that.

You know what's the dumbest thing ever?

Buying a company for $68.7 billion, then instantly wiping out half the value by taking the only real asset of the platform it makes most of it's money from..

I think more than 50% of CoD players are on PlayStation.

Some might go to PC and/or xbox, the majority will not.

For you to be suggesting as much is a reach at best.

Luckily for MS, Spencer isn't retarded.

CoD games will remain on PlayStation irrespective of Sony allowing GamePass to join PSN.

No one at Microsoft is willing to bet 50% of the value of the value of Activision, on the hopes it drives sales of consoles they don't really care about.

This is not Bethesda which is chump change in comparison, CoD generates more money on PS than it does on PC and xbox combined.

 

[Neofire]

That is not what I am talking.

Base game being free for gamepass users mean, they will spend money on dlc. Wow subscription being free on gamepass means, more users will play the game, and spend money.

Its not about the games being free on gamepass itself.

Gtg for job now. Talk later.

So basically spending money on a game you don't own lol. In a MMO I can understand because it's a service from inception but buying DLC for a single player game you don't own just sounds stupid to be honest. The main reason I can't stand GP and others subscriptions like it.

Would be like subbing to Netflix and you only have access to 3/4 of the movie only to find out you have to pay extra for the last part lol. The full game and all it's components should be available when you subscribe, at least make it make sense MS.

Unfortunately kids and other people that buy into will be allowed to be taken advantage of by this model.

 

[Yoboman]

You need to check up on what a free to play game is.

A f2p game is where the base game is free.
If I can boot it up, and play it without having to spend a single dime, then it's f2p


How can you even compare a game, that is completely free to download, no strings attached, with a service you have to pay for, in order to play.

You cant get the base game for free this is insane spin lol.
By that logic then all games are f2p on gamepass.

"think of wow as a subscription. Base game is free but you have to pay for expansions to play the full game".

How can you write that with a straight face

So... Is Sony looking to be the third of the three big because of spartakus?


Microsoft net worth as of February 04, 2022 is $2293.59B.

Sony net worth is $143 billion.

Source

Microsoft is a indie company.
Only worth 16 times more than sony

Before you spin it, both net worths are calculated with every department at both places.



Winner winner chicken dinner.

The echo chamber on Gaf always thought that the reason people buy a PlayStation is only because of the exclusives.

It's not. They wanna play where their friends are.


Maybe they did, but the companies declined?
Not everyone is for sale.

I'm certain that the only reason kotick wanted to sell was because of all the scandals and he just wanted a good deal before abandoning ship.

I still believe that these IPs will gain their money back faster than people actually believe.

So was it back then with Spencer.

Sony reveals most-downloaded PlayStation games in 2021​

Ps5:
downloaded games in North America:

1. NBA 2K22
2. Call of Duty: Vanguard
3. Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales
4. Madden NFL 22
5. Battlefield 2042
6. Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
7. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
8. MLB The Show 21
9. Resident Evil Village
10. Far Cry 6

For comparison, here’s the EU chart:

1. FIFA 22
2. Call of Duty: Vanguard
3. FIFA 21
4. Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales
5. Battlefield 2042
6. Among Us
7. Kena: Bridge of Spirits
8. Far Cry 6
9. It Takes Two
10. Assassin’s Creed Valhalla
11. F1 2021
12. Resident Evil Village
13. NBA 2K22
14. Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
15. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War

PS4

North America:

1. Grand Theft Auto V
2. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
3. Minecraft
4. NBA 2K22
5. Call of Duty: Vanguard
6. Madden NFL 22
7. NBA 2K21
8. Red Dead Redemption 2
9. MLB The Show 21
10. Mortal Kombat 11
11. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare

European Union:

1. FIFA 22
2. Grand Theft Auto V
3. Minecraft
4. FIFA 21
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
6. The Crew 2
7. Red Dead Redemption 2
8. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt – Game of the Year Edition
9. Call of Duty: Vanguard

"COD isn't the cash cow it has been for the past decade"

"Most of which aren't even relevant"

*continues to be one of the best selling games*

That's the twist, they aren't.

Bungie's Annual Revenue
$2.7 Million

Bethesda Softworks's Annual Revenue
$5.2 Million

If playstation no longer has cod, and you mainly bought a console to play that, you don't continue to keep an expensive console just as a paper weight.

No, Spencer made it clear that current community will stay, not the next installments

Lol you think Bungie and Zenimax were barely making a couple million a year in revenue? I guess those 900 employees are working for about $2,000 a year?

Try $200 million + per year without a major expansion since 2020, let alone a full release.

"Destiny 2, the sequel released in 2017, is Bungie's biggest asset right now making the company an estimated $200 million in revenue. The Destiny franchise is one of the most popular series in gaming today, since 2014 pulling in more than 167 million players who have played more than 8.6 billion hours, Bungie said in 2020. A non-Destiny game is in the works at Bungie with a planned release for sometime in 2025. "

Sony is buying Destiny maker Bungie for $3.6 billion. Here's what it gets

The PlayStation portfolio is poised to get a little bigger.

www.google.com

Company revenue isn't the point anyway. I am saying Destiny is bigger than any individual game from Bethesda Zenimax - not all of them combined

 

[Swift_Star]

Same thing for xbox.

What you said isn't exclusive to Playstation too. Nintendo does it, xbox does it.

And are you really saying bethesda needs to prove itself? You mean the people who made skyrim on a crappy engine, needs to prove themselves?

What happened to bethesda being top developers in the world? Did that reputation got in to the mud, because the have X in their parent company?

Of course they do. SE was laughing stock because XIII trilogy and the shitshow that was XV. It wasn't until VIIRE and KH3 were released that they regained some respect and good faith. So, yeah, Bethesda really needs to prove themselves after the shitshow that was FO76.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

They made clear declarations in their websites and interviews: SIE now owns Bungie. Bungie now will be inside SIE but will remain a different publisher than PS Studios.

Destiny 2, its future expansions (they have many more coming), dlcs and future Bungie games and new IPs (they plan to release at least one before 2025) will continue as multi platform including non-Sony consoles. Will continue being full multiplatform with crossplay and so on. Sony will help them bring Bungie IPs to cinema/tv/animation. Bungie and PS Studios will share knowledge, data and tools to learn from each other (as all the SIE/PS Studios already do). Bungie will have creative freedom (as all the SIE/PS Studios already have).

Should we expect SIE logo on startup instead of PS Studios though?

And shoud the movies be directly made by Sony Pictures or PlayStation Productions? Interesting to see.

 

[reksveks]

CoD generates more money on PS than it does on PC and xbox combined.

Source? I have heard this a couple of times but have not seen the numbers.