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Where is the evidence that Gamepass type services are "the future" moving forward?
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Swift_Star
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Is that why any one iPhone is more successful and more valued than any one Android? Because it’s cheaper? /s
I’m sorry, that’s simply NOT how this works.
Price is just one factor of the equation. It’s not the end all be all.
Nintendo games themselves are proof you’re wrong. If what you’re saying were even remotely true, Sony and Nintendo games wouldn’t be selling more than 10 or 20 million copies.
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Starcheif
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I understand being concerned over something you enjoy but everything goes up in price, so I would take that off your list.
Unfortunately, you will have to let your fellow gamers decide if GaAS and Micro transactions are the long-term future of the video game market.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It gets tiresome when every other topic devolves into the same concerns about the future of gaming being ruined because of game pass, and/or how MS are able to sustain the service and what their profitability is. Just check the Bungie thread or that Phil Spencer getting an award thread, more than half those (and many other recent) threads devolve into the same drivel.
And truth be told, the ratio of people talking about GP being the second coming of gaming vs people concerned about the service is very lopsided in favor of the later going by what I've seen recently at least.
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Umm take a look at music and movies/tv shows... all the streaming music and video services for i really dont know a single person who buys music/videos
Swift_Star
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Why are you moving goalposts? We’re talking about consoles and people are buying new consoles for crossgen games. Or else, the consoles wouldn’t be sold out. You’re wrong, sorry.
Tiago Rodrigues
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It's not the future. It's just one more way to consume videogames.
Do you see sales decreasing on Nintendo or Sony platforms? Clearly the public is more than okay to pay for games. So calling it the future as if there's no other way to play them is not right.
Do you see sales decreasing on Nintendo or Sony platforms? Clearly the public is more than okay to pay for games. So calling it the future as if there's no other way to play them is not right.
Squarehard
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Doom85
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Yeah, Nintendo is notorious for how long it takes them to lower the MSRP on their games. And yet their software sales do just fine.
Swift_Star
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Hard disagree. The former group is way more vocal and annoying.
Elder Legend
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You do realize Nintendo consoles are the most affordable right and cheapest right ? Nintendo also is a very different company and they are an exception to the rule. Nintendo does Nintendo things and they can get away with selling $60 games that are decades old cause they are Nintendo and they have their crazy fans.
If Sony or Microsoft did that all hell would break loose and they would be sent to oblivion. Do you not remember the fiasco with Horizon Forbidden West when Sony tried to pull with their PS4 to PS5 crap? They backpeddled real fast and so did Microsoft when they tried raising Xbox live gold. So don't even go to Nintendo. It is Nintendo.
Nintendo has NOTHING to do with this thread whatsoever.
Also, I am android user, Apple have something called the Apple sheep and I laugh at them every day. Not only do they overpriced their phones but also limit your freedom on the phone and force you to buy their shitty overpriced products. No thanks, I am too smart for that and not a sheep.
Typing from my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 that Apple would charge $4000 for, but they can't even make one so.
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Gamerguy84
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pretty sure there is plenty of room for multiple models of distribution
gamepass is great for people that like to sample lots of things, or play tons of different games
even with say, call of duty coming to game pass, cod players that only play cod will still just buy that,
enthusiasts will continue buying games on physical media
people that like convenience will continue to buy full game downloads,
for me personally I like game pass (though I've yet to pay more than 50 dollars a year for ultimate)
but I buy physical copies of games I think I'll want again in the future without being beholden to game pass (though always on PlayStation or Nintendo platforms)
gamepass is great for people that like to sample lots of things, or play tons of different games
even with say, call of duty coming to game pass, cod players that only play cod will still just buy that,
enthusiasts will continue buying games on physical media
people that like convenience will continue to buy full game downloads,
for me personally I like game pass (though I've yet to pay more than 50 dollars a year for ultimate)
but I buy physical copies of games I think I'll want again in the future without being beholden to game pass (though always on PlayStation or Nintendo platforms)
Swift_Star
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Sony and Nintendo games easily sell 10+ million copies. Nothing you say will change that fact. You’re wrong, people don’t necessarily get the “more bang for your buck” option. Sorry dude, give up.
SLB1904
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just add neogaf in this gif and it will be pretty accurate
Why not?
Swift_Star
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I just wish people stopped lying, moving goalposts or distorting reality to fit their narratives tbh.
TaylorSwiftFan
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So you came into this thread to say you don’t think about it? Good for you but maybe others want to discuss it.
Starcheif
Member
MAN!!! Nintendo is never going to lower the price on BOTW
Yeah, Nintendo is notorious for how long it takes them to lower the MSRP on their games. And yet their software sales do just fine.
but again my kid plays the Xbox more because game pass gives him more options.
Swift_Star
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Game surpassed 30 million at full price. People see the value and they pay for it. That’s how this actually works.MAN!!! Nintendo is never going to lower the price on BOTW
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Same. I'm subbed till 2025 and while not every drop is a banger, I'm more than happy and have already played more than enough new games to make up for the 3 year Gold price. There's always the option to continue or not after these 3 years are up but in my experience it's been a wonderful thing so far.
Maybe there should be a unified topic to discuss this so we don't get irrelevant off-topic posts about this subject in other topics.
Starcheif
Member
I respect that!
Elder Legend
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Your complaining about others moving goalposts but yet here you are with a Nintendo game that had nothing to do with Game Pass because it fits your narrative.
Either talk about whats being discussed or don't talk at all. This was about subscription services vs Sony going that route. Not which franchises or what sold the most you hypocrite goose.
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Swift_Star
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We’re talking game sales and that people won’t stop buying games or consoles because gamepass is overall cheaper. GoW: R and HFW will easily sell more than 10 million copies. But go on, keep telling yourself what makes you feel better. I have nothing to add to this discussion anymore.Your complaining about others moving goalposts but yet here you are with a Nintendo game that had nothing to do with Game Pass because it fits your narrative.
Either talk about whats being discussed or don't talk at all. This was about subscription services vs Sony going that route. Not which franchises or what sold the most you hypocrite goose.
Hawking Radiation
Member
You may or may not be right.
All I know is with games becoming increasingly expensive to make how will a subscription service finance those astronomical development costs. If games are costing millions to make in the here and now, what are the costs going to be during the PS6 or PS7 generation.
The only way I see to recoup costs is through microtransactions and I fucking hate those. I don't want to be stuck in pay-to-win bullshit like how its stinking up the mobile gaming market.
Worst case scenario is that years from now GamePass and other competing services evolve into pay-to-win nonsense and which point I'll sure just check out completely.
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Swift_Star
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I feel like lots of us are o the verge of leaving the hobby. I sure am if the majority of the industry moves to service games, regardless of who is doing it.
ReBurn
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Unless you own stock in Microsoft I don't see any reason to care.
Its also another way for companies to try to evolve and move forward with tech. Look all the companies who went belly up because they never adapted and were not forward thinking. Whether or not gamepass/streaming will be defacto way of gaming in the future is to be seen, you have to be blind to not see how with tech evolving this is the next logical step with this medium. I can only imagine the forums 100s of years from now. "What i dont get a physical controller??" "I have to control the game with my mind??"
Elder Legend
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Yeah you don't cause you've ran out of excuses bud.We’re talking game sales and that people won’t stop buying games or consoles because gamepass is overall cheaper. GoW: R and HFW will easily sell more than 10 million copies. But go on, keep telling yourself what makes you feel better. I have nothing to add to this discussion anymore.
MS already confirmed multiple times they don't care for hardware sales. Subscription services is where the money is at and Sony sees that as well and people are praising Game Pass. But Sony knows that adding a subscription will also benefit those who do not want to spend $70.
$70 is a lot of money dude, and not every person will be able to afford that and they are expensive cause of higher dev game budgets. How do you fail too see this? Subscription service can help Sony bring in more revenue so they can make the amazing titles they have even better than ever before, stuff is not getting easier or cheaper to make its the complete opposite.
MS clearly is seeing some sort of success with Game Pass, if they didn't no one would be using it nor would the company continue to invest in it. Call of Duty is gonna be on Game Pass now.
What sounds more appealing, pay $70 or almost nothing to play latest release of Call of Duty? This is not just about Sony 1st party, there is a lot more to it than that. 3rd party plays a massive role as well.
Booodborne is my favorite game of last gen, where the fuck is my sequel? I want Sony to pump money into that and give it to me already. Fuck, where is my remaster god damn it.
Explain to me why Jim Ryan confirmed 10 live service games for Sony by 2026 please? I need to hear your thoughts.
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Mike Zhang
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I'll never subscribe to any gp like service. I don't have much time to play games, I don't want to rush to finish a game before it's taken down
Elder Legend
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Game Pass games stay on there usually for 3 months tops. 1st party stay there forever.
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Rhazer Fusion
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Well said and I wholeheartedly agree. That’s why I don’t understand why Sony has this unhealthy obsession with copying Microsoft’s every move. Sony is doing really well and I like even like Gamepass, but I appreciate the fact that each console offers something different from each other, especially Nintendo. Putting something like TLOU3 on a cheap subscription or streaming service imo would be crazy.
Captain Toad
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I wish Netflix's competitors were dead. But, unfortunately, to watch everything I want I need Netflix, Hulu, Disney +, HBO, Amazon Prime, etc.
THAT'S the future for gaming and it's gonna suck.
Captain Toad
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Usually. Forza is an example of one that doesn't.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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No need to wait; results prove you're already wrong.
IIRC wasn't it just the older version getting delisted? You can still play it, you just have to buy it from the store or from Steam.
Which kind of works against one of the other fears WRT services like GamePass: lack of access to games after so and so amount of time. Subscription is just one of multiple means to play the game, especially when it has digital and physical editions sold in store retail chains and multiple digital storefronts.
If you think that's bad, you should've tried being a hardcore gamer in the mid '90s. Wanted to play everything? Pony up for a SNES, Genesis, Jaguar, 3DO, CDi, Saturn, PS1, N64, PC and some visits to the local arcades on top of that.
You don't need every single system, though, and you don't need every single subscription service. Realistically the vast majority don't even watch everything available; they have their small handful of shows and mainly stick with those for a period of time, and chances are those shows are on the service most people have anyway because they tend to be old shows like Friends and The Office.
I think they're just saying the majority of gamers, when you include the wider mainstream market, aren't buying one for that reason. Which is statistically true; even in their best year to date Sony 1P games accounted for only 18% of total PlayStation division software revenue.
That basically means on an average, at best just one out of five PlayStation owners seem to buy one for the 1P games/content. It's likely the same ratio with Xbox if not skewing a bit further even to favoring 3P content in terms of the ratio. Nintendo's the outlier.
Aside of that though, obviously there are people excited for Forbidden West, and for very good reasons. Same with GT7. But it's still important to keep in mind what percentage that might be when considering the entire PlayStation install base.
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Rhazer Fusion
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Yet those Sony exclusives no one cares about generally manage to sell millions and millions each year? I don’t think Sony’s games are better than Nintendo’s offerings, but they still have a huge fan base and are normally high quality. There is a reason why PC gamers are constantly begging for Sony’s first party games to get ported to PC all the time.Love when you nutcases try to equivocate Sony with Nintendo. Sony's 'incredible' exclusives (please
Once the tech gets there its actually a pretty easy sell for the masses.
No consoles to buy.
Can play on practically any streaming device.
No need to buy mult consoles for 1 household.
Impulse buy without any real commitment.
Tons of content immediately avail.
No equipment setup.
Best of all for the gaffers
No worries about RROD lvls of equip failure.
No worries about coil whine
No worries about loud fans
No worries about loud disc drives
No consoles to buy.
Can play on practically any streaming device.
No need to buy mult consoles for 1 household.
Impulse buy without any real commitment.
Tons of content immediately avail.
No equipment setup.
Best of all for the gaffers
No worries about RROD lvls of equip failure.
No worries about coil whine
No worries about loud fans
No worries about loud disc drives
Elder Legend
Banned
Nice try dude. Forza is not there due to music licensing issues. Nothing else. Go read about it. It's a law issue not a xbox/game pass problem.
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Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
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That's the sucky present. The sucky future is netflix finally makes bank once all those alternatives are dead and it has something like a monopoly
The Alien
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Completely agree.
The only people "concerned" are the people not on GamePass, but will surely sign up ASAP and sing the praises of Sony's subscription service.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Nah, we are heading towards a dark future and if Sony goes all in(they probably will), imho gaming will deteriorate even further. Give these companies an inch and they will gladly take 10 miles. Nothing good will come out of GAAS, MTX, subscription, etc filled games dominating the market with predatory tactics. Literally everyone will jump on board. Companies are going to keep pushing to see what they can get away with. We will pay all that money out and own nothing in the end.
Remember horse armor? Seemed harmless at first, but now we have to pay extra to complete our games. GAAS/MTX has destroyed fighting games. GAAS, subscriptions and microtransactions can exist and they do generally do make money, but I just don’t want it to become mandatory and replace “traditional gaming”.
Swift_Star
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We’ve moved from “people won’t get ps5 because they want more bang to their buck” to “why is Sony developing 10 live service games?”
The topic was: people will keep buying ps5 and its games despite xss/xsx and gamepass existing. Comeback when you’re able to hold a conversation without changing the subject and moving goalposts.
bender
What time is it?
Love when you nutcases try to equivocate Sony with Nintendo. Sony's 'incredible' exclusives (please
Remember when Splatoon vaulted the Wii U to unparalleled success?
Elder Legend
Banned
Where do you need to pay extra to have complete games? Cyberpunk 2077 is not a live service game.
No Man's Sky turned the ship around and gave amazing content and systems for FREE.
Look at Warframe. F2P game with AAA quality production value and is doing well after all these years.
I don't remember paying extra for Sea of Thieves. Yes the game was a extremely well polished title but launched with not much content and look at it now.
You wanna talk about a shitty game launch then look at EA games like Battlefront 1 and 2. Just because EA is super greedy and have horrible practices doesn't mean Sony will fall into at least I hope not.
Yes, there are shit greedy companies and I get that people are worried. But I think people need to chill first and see the fruits of labor after all the acquisitions and investments done by both MS and Sony. Just pray that EA doesn't buy anything lol.
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eastcoastkody
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OP still gets dvds in the mail from Netflix. Doesn't understand why anyone would want the app
Elder Legend
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Stop twisting my words. I was making fun of the idiots on Twitter who are complaining they don't have a PS5 to play Horizon when they can get it on PS4 or if they really wanted it they could of stayed up till 4 AM sniping pre orders.
Nowhere in my posts I said that people won't get a ps5 because they want more bang for their buck because of that specific reason.
I wish this was a voice conversation dude, too many things are misunderstood and misconstrued because of text. Maybe I am misunderstanding something but whatever
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kingfey
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You dont pay gamepass for that. Idiots pay that much money on fifa.
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