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David Jaffe to Phil Spencer: 'You suck...... get some therapy.'

bender

What time is it?
I think he’s referring to being in charge of something and make sure things reach the finish line.

I guess I consider the outside factors before wanting to crucify Phil on this. You get good and bad when acquiring a company. Starfield was in production long before Microsoft acquired Zenimax. ESO aside, I don't have a lot of faith in Bethesda's pipeline. Starfield being delayed is about the least surprising news that could happen.
 
Im surprised how many people are "mad" about the delay, that its unacceptable etc....after witnessing what happened to CP 2077 or better yet, most of Bethesda open world are total jank at launch. You really never learn, do you?
 

Africangamer30

Neo Member
Exactly

Where is The Initiative?

Where is Rare?

Where is The Coalition?

Where is Ninja Theory?

These are studios that haven’t released games in 3-5 years!!

And worse, they’ve shown no tangible gameplay whatsoever. You’re telling me that not one of them can get a game out to fill a huge void in 2022?
E3 is just one month away relax. Do you even game because if you did l. There's no way you have nothing to play right know. There's multiple games that get way more playtime than any exclusive on either console. But we want talk about that right. How many people still play apex, gta online, cod and more even counter strike is still being played. I agree on Microsoft slow output but based on the games that been coming out too soon cyberpunk, halo and battlefield 2042. Ill rather wait than get some unfinshed garbage with empty promise of, "will fix it give us time".
 
People are arguing about their feelings here.
They seem to forget about these 2 years. Like we didn't get locked in our own house for majority of 2020. And social distance for 2021.
For game developers, that is bad news. They work as a group. So every decision gets delayed, and most work cant be done on time.
Tell me how that differs from literally any other industry that has been working remotely as well.
 
Im surprised how many people are "mad" about the delay, that its unacceptable etc....after witnessing what happened to CP 2077 or better yet, most of Bethesda open world are total jank at launch. You really never learn, do you?
People aren't mad about the delay, people are mad that Microsoft has such a barren release schedule that one major delay fucks them up for a year and a half.
 

Katajx

Gold Member
I agree that MS have pulled this line way to many times. At this point their slogan should be:

Xbox - Just wait until next year, every year

I will say that I hadn’t been interested in Xbox at all until Spencer took over though. I think he has done an amazing job at turning things around and showing that MS is all in on gaming.
This was pretty much me after seeing Mattrick and the initial xbox one messaging.
 
Chad Spencer

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mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why is it so hard to understand that this thread is for Sony fanboys to bash MS and Phil. Just ignore it and let it go. Phil is doing fine. The games will comer u til then we have gamepass and Sony exclusives lmao. Awards don't matter, 9nly when Sony wins them.

Is Microsoft paying you? People are allowed to criticize MS you know.
 

kingfey

Banned
Tell me how that differs from literally any other industry that has been working remotely as well.
Gaming needs communications. You aren't selling products. You are designing a game, which needs management's.

Most jobs can be worked through home. Not game industry.

Quality is the biggest hit, since that one needs consistent communications.
 

DaGwaphics

Member
While I admire them doing a yearly E3 show regardless of covid issues or ESA drama, they need another show in between a 12 month long gap. At the VGAs, they showed Hellblade 2 which was a nice surprise but thats just one game. They need to have at least a mini 30-40 minute conference around that time.

It would give us more to debate about around here, that would be a plus. At the same time I do like a classic E3 type show with the summer scheduling.
 

FrankWza

Member
Phil is a salesman. You can go down many a path as a salesman and reach the top of your industry. But you’ll never be on the creative side of things. That’s where his flaws and mistakes show most. They need someone who works on that side of things to rein him in when he projects things that just aren’t possible. There seems to be a broken link somewhere in their corporate structure and strategy.
 
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kingfey

Banned
Phil is a salesman. You can go down many a path as a salesman and reach the top of your industry. But you’ll never be on the creative side of things. That’s where his flaws and mistakes show most. They need someone who works on that side of things to reign him in when he projects things that just aren’t possible. There seems to be a broken link somewhere in their corporate structure and strategy.
WtF are you saying dude? 😐

The guy built foundation for xbox, and took them to next level. Something Sony have yet to do it.

While he hasn't released new games, he opened xbox to a new platform, and made xbox accessible to people.

That is not a salesman.

Salesman is someone like EA, who would literally dry you of your money.

Your hatred and obsession with Phil is weird man.
 

FrankWza

Member
WtF are you saying dude? 😐

The guy built foundation for xbox, and took them to next level. Something Sony have yet to do it.

While he hasn't released new games, he opened xbox to a new platform, and made xbox accessible to people.

That is not a salesman.

Salesman is someone like EA, who would literally dry you of your money.

Your hatred and obsession with Phil is weird man.
I think you don’t understand what I wrote. He’s a salesman though. It’s also easy to make the assumption that since the ftc began looking at the activision deal he has been speaking far less than he usually does. Pretty much not at all until now when he had to make a statement about the delay.
 

kingfey

Banned
I think you don’t understand what I wrote. He’s a salesman though. It’s also easy to make the assumption that since the ftc began looking at the activision deal he has been speaking far less than he usually does. Pretty much not at all until now when he had to make a statement about the delay.
MS made xbox with little 1st party studio support. They ignored the offer to buy Sega, which would have strengthened their 1st party output.
Don mattrick had a chance to buy bioware, and KI studio. Both are lost to EA and Amazon. Entirety of x360 saw little 1st party studio purchase, which made the situation worse for them.

All of what you are saying stems from MS and Xbox ceo during those 2 gen.

The moment he took the helm, he bought minecraft studio. He bought turn 10, playground. He also secured gears series by buying it from epic.

He wanted to buy moon studio and asobo, which would have been a huge help to him.

His initiative action saved xbox 1st party, and secured them alot of 1st party studios.

If the man was a salesman, he would have behaved like Don Mattrick as a yes man.

He is the reason why xbox is even in this conversation.
 
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FrankWza

Member
MS made xbox with little 1st party studio support. They ignored the offer to buy Sega, which would have strengthened their 1st party output.
Don mattrick had a chance to buy bioware, and KI studio. Both are lost to EA and Amazon. Entirety of x360 saw little 1st party studio purchase, which made the situation worse for them.

All of what you are saying stems from MS and Xbox ceo during those 2 gen.

The moment he took the helm, he bought minecraft studio. He bought turn 10, playground. He also secured gears series by buying it from epic.

He wanted to buy moon studio and asobo, which would have been a huge help to him.

His initiative action saved xbox 1st party, and secured them alot of 1st party studios.

If the man was a salesman, he would have behaved like Don Mattrick as a yes man.

He is the reason why xbox is even in this conversation.
Nothing here disputes that he isn’t a salesman. You also seem to be under the impression that being a salesman is a negative. That’s what most CEO’s and corporate and industry leaders are. Especially when they act as frontmen.
Being a good salesman is the opposite of a yes man. You make other people say yes
 
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kingfey

Banned
Nothing here disputes that he isn’t a salesman. You also seem to be under the impression that being a salesman is a negative. That’s what most CEO’s and corporate and industry leaders are. Especially when the act as frontmen l.
Being a good salesman is the opposite of a yes man. You make other people say yes
But what you are labeling him is that he is saying fake stuff, but all he did during his reign disproves your point.

Xbox has now too many games under development, with different ips that is not halo. They are partnering with 3rd party developers to make exclusive games for their console.

Covid hit us in 2020, which impacted gaming industry hard. It's the one excuse which you guys use it for ps5 sales. But don't use it for the impact which it has on gaming.

They had stalker 2 locked down on April. But was delayed, due to covid. And now the Ukraine War is impacting the game.

Your beloved God of war is being impacted by covid, which is why it doesn't have a date release.

This is why their 2022 release is dry. And every game that was supposed to release after that, would be delayed further.

If covid haven't happened, we wouldn't have talking about this.

So please spare me the salesman talk.
 

sircaw

Banned
You have the right to criticize them.
But that doesn't mean you can use lies to criticize them.

Most people here adamant that xbox hadn't released any game. Or that all of their studio's are mismanaged, despite owning 25 studios, and only 4 has news about trouble.
I just want to put something across to you.

Imagine people (and I am sure that there are many of them)buying an Xbox and subscribing to game pass on the notion that starfield was going to released later this year, only to find out that it's been delayed.

I would be pissed, not because the game is delayed but because we saw this shit happen before with Halo. Are Ms not learning from these types of mistakes.

If the original release date is to be believed it was still meant to be 6 months away and now, to basically send it into the depths of 2023, we could be looking at the best part of a year away.

That is not a simple we want to polish it and make it the best version possible of the game, Microsoft has grossly overestimated just how far the game is or the amount of work in bug fixes and patching that needs to be done.

All these starfield interviews over the last few months, to promote or hype the game up for its release. For Ms and Betheseda to do this, seems like a real slap in the face to their subscribers.

This absolute Love for Phil spencer can do no wrong, really needs to stop.
 
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Drewpee

Banned
The company that invested billions in gaming due to him clearly thinks he is doing a great job considering his recent promotion.

But sure, let's listen to the guy that was part of making one good game years ago.
 

kingfey

Banned
I just want to put something across to you.

Imagine people (and I am sure that there are many of them)buying an Xbox and subscribing to game pass on the notion that starfield was going to released later this year, only to find out that it's been delayed.

I would be pissed, not because the game is delayed but because we saw this shit happen before with Halo. Are Ms not learning from these types of mistakes.

If the original release date is to be believed it was still meant to be 6 months away and now to basically send it into 2023, we could be looking at the best part of a year away.

That is not a simple we want to polish it and make it the best version possible of the game, Microsoft has grossly overestimated just how far the game is or the amount of work in bug fixes and patching that needs to be done.

All these starfield interviews over the last few months, to promote or hype the game up for its release. For Ms and Betheseda to do this, seems like a real slap in the face to their subscribers.

This absolute Love for Phil spencer can do no wrong, really needs to stop.
Mate, I am the most pissed off about this news, more than these guys, whose purpose is to bash xbox.

I wanted this game badly, and was saving for xsx, since my gpu upgrade is still expensive.

Now I can't buy xsx, because starfied was delayed to 2023.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
Mate, I am the most pissed off about this news, more than these guys, whose purpose is to bash xbox.

I wanted this game badly, and was saving for xsx, since my gpu upgrade is still expensive.

Now I can't buy xsx, because starfied was delayed to 2023.
You can buy it, you just can't ply Starfield on it until this time next year.
 

sircaw

Banned
Mate, I am the most pissed off about this news, more than these guys, whose purpose is to bash xbox.

I wanted this game badly, and was saving for xsx, since my gpu upgrade is still expensive.

Now I can't buy xsx, because starfied was delayed to 2023.
All I am saying m8, is that not all criticism aimed at Phil or Microsoft is just plain fanboy bashing.

There are some genuine concerns and criticisms to be had in regards to said person and company.
 

yurinka

Member
Ninja Theory have shown us gameplay of Hellblade 2, and Mara seems to be moving forward, id assume 2023 is a lock for Hellblade atleast.
Its studio head said last summer Hellblade was still in preproduction and that they were working on a good vertical slice before moving to full production. Some months later, last December they did show some gameplay of what I assume was that vertical slice.

Assuming when they shown it the vertical slice was complete, means they went full production at the end of last year or early this year. End of 2023 would mean 2 years of production, sounds too optimistic when they said the game will be bigger than the first one and that they'll make it with UE5, which wasn't available until this year (let's assume they had it some months before the rest of the studios, on time to start their production).

I think the only reason why Phil Spencer gets a free pass is because he's the ONLY corporate suit that we have ever seen that seems comfortable speaking publicly. I'm still not sold on his performance to this point.
He isn't the only one comfortable talking in public :messenger_tears_of_joy: :
 
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FrankWza

Member
But what you are labeling him is that he is saying fake stuff
When/where did this happen?
Xbox has now too many games under development
No such thing. If that’s accurate and it’s keeping them from releasing any games then he really needs someone to help him plan releases better.
How did that work out even with a year delay and potentially insane development costs?
Covid hit us in 2020, which impacted gaming industry hard. It's the one excuse which you guys use it for ps5 sales. But don't use it for the impact which it has on gaming.
i see other console manufacturers putting out first party games.
stalker 2 locked down on April.
That’s a timed exclusive. Isn’t it?
Your beloved God of war is being impacted by covid, which is why it doesn't have a date release.
why make a promise you can’t keep? Isn’t that the point here?
please spare me the salesman talk.
again, you seem to think that’s an insult.
I didn’t say he was Willy loman
 

kingfey

Banned
You can buy it, you just can't ply Starfield on it until this time next year.
There is no reason for me to buy it, without starfield.
I have no interest with their other games, aside of avowed and fable. The rest are 2023 and beyond.
 

sendit

Member
WtF are you saying dude? 😐

The guy built foundation for xbox, and took them to next level. Something Sony have yet to do it.

While he hasn't released new games, he opened xbox to a new platform, and made xbox accessible to people.

That is not a salesman.

Salesman is someone like EA, who would literally dry you of your money.

Your hatred and obsession with Phil is weird man.
Do you mean PS Now? A game streaming service before xcloud?

Maybe you meant VR? Possibly the next logical step in gaming.

Why are you constantly misinformed?
 

kingfey

Banned
All I am saying m8, is that not all criticism aimed at Phil or Microsoft is just plain fanboy bashing.

There are some genuine concerns and criticisms to be had in regards to said person and company.
There is valid criticism, which people have right to say so, regardless of who they are.

What pisses me off, is the trolling criticism, which main aim is fanboyism.

I criticize Phil, for not making 343i behave, and making Rare focus on releasing proper games, instead of ambitious games.
 

Katajx

Gold Member
First of all, the man is entitled to his opinion.

Second, I like the fact that he seems to be coming at it from the perspective of a gamer instead of some corporate figurehead.

Third, this topic clearly generated discussion and maybe that was the intended purpose.

Lastly, I don’t agree with all of his views, but I will say I that studios including MSFT need to be producing consistent results and producing content without sounding like a constant stream of excuses.[ICODE][/ICODE]
 
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kingfey

Banned
Do you mean PS Now? A game streaming service before xcloud?

Maybe you meant VR? Possibly the next logical step in gaming.

Why are you constantly misinformed?
What are you talking?

Sony didn't own psnow. They bought OnLive, which was psnow.

Psvr is great tool for them. They deserve that praise.

Aside of them, they don't come close to what Xbox is doing.

Day1, with browser and mobile streaming. Opening all xbox 1st party games to pc.
 

FrankWza

Member
There is no reason for me to buy it, without starfield.
I have no interest with their other games, aside of avowed and fable. The rest are 2023 and beyond.
I just wasted so much time trying to explain something you didn’t understand. I wish you would have written this earlier.
Aside of them, they don't come close to what Xbox is doing.

Day1, with browser and mobile streaming. Opening all xbox 1st party games to pc.
There is no reason for me to buy it, without starfield.
I have no interest with their other games, aside of avowed and fable. The rest are 2023 and beyond.
 

kingfey

Banned
No such thing. If that’s accurate and it’s keeping them from releasing any games then he really needs someone to help him plan releases better.
Did you forget about covid? Not to mention, those studios released games in 2018-2019.


How did that work out even with a year delay and potentially insane development costs
Insane development cost was false.
Also, halo delay helped them avoid cyberpunk2077 meme. The game was not good graphically. You remember Craig showcase?

Also content wise, that is on 343i. MS should have fired them, for holding out contents.


i see other console manufacturers putting out first party games.
Games, which was made by studios who released games before 2019?
Also MS released games in 2021, unless you want to ignore those too.

When MS bought the new studios, those guys released games in that frame.
They wouldn't have made games by now, because of game cycle. Also covid 19 delayed the process.

Why do you think there is no news about God of war, recent starfield delay and breath of wild. Even Hogwarts was delayed.

Or doesn't that not applicable to MS studios?


That’s a timed exclusive. Isn’t it?
Yes. Same as deathloop for Sony 2021.


why make a promise you can’t keep? Isn’t that the point here?
I am angry about that part of starfield release. We can agree on this part.
 

sendit

Member
What are you talking?

Sony didn't own psnow. They bought OnLive, which was psnow.

Psvr is great tool for them. They deserve that praise.

Aside of them, they don't come close to what Xbox is doing.

Day1, with browser and mobile streaming. Opening all xbox 1st party games to pc.

“Sony didn't own psnow. They bought OnLive, which was psnow.”

-kingfey

This is some amazing mental gymnastics. I’m guessing you think Microsoft doesn’t own Bethesda because they bought them.
 
Honestly I feel like the whole industry is just in this malaise of mediocrity. Games are taking longer to make, but most of the time its not like the games are doing anything incredibly ambitious or different from what has come before it. I'm thinking we are seeing a skill shortfall across the board, but few probably will admit it.
 

kingfey

Banned
“Sony didn't own psnow. They bought OnLive, which was psnow.”

-kingfey

This is some amazing mental gymnastics. I’m guessing you think Microsoft doesn’t own Bethesda because they bought them.
Fuck, I mixed my info with gaikia.

This part confused me little bit.
"Sony has acquired important parts of OnLive. Due to the sale, all OnLive services were discontinued as of April 30, 2015. As the first-ever game streaming service of its kind, everyone who has ever played a game using OnLive has contributed to the technology and its evolution in some way."

My fault on that part.
 

kingfey

Banned
Honestly I feel like the whole industry is just in this malaise of mediocrity. Games are taking longer to make, but most of the time its not like the games are doing anything incredibly ambitious or different from what has come before it. I'm thinking we are seeing a skill shortfall across the board, but few probably will admit it.
Gamers are the reason why the industry is moving away.
EA made 70% of their revenue last year from mtx. When other companies sees that, then they have no reason to release what they dreamed off.

If there are idiots who will spend money on characters or mtx, then they would want to make a game which is geared toward those gamers.

We haven't seen a new gta series since 2013. The next one is 2025-2026, because the online version of 5 is making them alot of money.
 

Fredrik

Member
People aren't mad about the delay, people are mad that Microsoft has such a barren release schedule that one major delay fucks them up for a year and a half.
Exactly. I don’t wish for a buggy release of Starfield. If they need more time then they should get more time. I just wish MS had a backup plan if/when a big release needs to be delayed. If Sony would delay Ragnarök we’ve already got Horizon and GT so the year would still be okay from a 1st party perspective. That’s how it should be.
 
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MacReady13

Member
Not to mention a completely botchered launch lineup for series consoles after years of not releasing games for the Xbone either.

But hey, he spend a lot of MS's money purchasing studios so theres that.
They have hundreds of free games on Game Pass though so that completely mitigates the constant delays for near on 10 years now with 1st party games. So it's all good! Phil is the man and I am happy to report that the Xbox brand is as powerful as it has ever been! Phil has saved the brand!
 

Africangamer30

Neo Member
Love this site but how many peope you'll really think gives any realy give 💩 about all these complains. Your regular buyer just wants to play all the mainstream games and if its available on multiple platforms and or on gampass. They'll still buy a xbox series s and not care one about resolution and fps. Thats how most gamers started out in gaming not knowing what vrs, fps or resolutions even means. Just buy the console you want and play GAMES not stats.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
There is no reason for me to buy it, without starfield.
I have no interest with their other games, aside of avowed and fable. The rest are 2023 and beyond.
Then why would you buy a $500 console at all? Didn't you say you have a PC?
 

kingfey

Banned
Then why would you buy a $500 console at all? Didn't you say you have a PC?
My pc is getting old. And current market is expensive.

I have PS5, so ps side is covered. Xbox side is not covered, since all I have is xbox one.

So xsx with starfield makes sense for me.
 
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