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DF - RETRO: Sony PlayStation 3: Chasing the 1080p Dream (2006/2007) (UPDATE: PART 4)
Umbasaborne
Banned
Nice, its strange, but ive become nostalgic for the ps360, in a way that i didnt expect to, i think its because these consoles were so formative to me as a smelly teen lol. I remember getting the 360 for christmas in 2006, i got gears of war with it, i didnt have an hd tv, but i played the shit out of it on my tiny crt that i had in my bedroom, even on that thing, it was the best looking game id ever seen. So many amazing 360 memories, long nights playing halo 3 custom games, the midnight launches for gears 2 and 3, playing through all of re5 coop, bioshock, discovering my love of mass effect in 2007 and cementing it as one of my all time favorite games ever made, and learning to love real racing sims with forza motorsport 2 and 3
The ps3 was the first console i bought with my own cash in 2009, uncharted 2 is what sold me on it, i saved every penny i Made from my job bagging groceries, as well as my birthday, to get one. By this point we had an “hd tv” by that i mean it could display 720p and 1080i, but man uncharted 2 knocked my socks off. Then later that year and in 2010 i played infamous, ratchet and clank a crack in time, god of war 3, gt5, mgs4 and motorstorm…man the ps3 was such a rad fucking system
The ps3 was the first console i bought with my own cash in 2009, uncharted 2 is what sold me on it, i saved every penny i Made from my job bagging groceries, as well as my birthday, to get one. By this point we had an “hd tv” by that i mean it could display 720p and 1080i, but man uncharted 2 knocked my socks off. Then later that year and in 2010 i played infamous, ratchet and clank a crack in time, god of war 3, gt5, mgs4 and motorstorm…man the ps3 was such a rad fucking system
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Aesius
Member
God bless John Linneman and DF for caring about this stuff and doing such high-quality retrospectives. I was thinking the other day how graphics and the evolution of tech have played a much smaller role in the lives of gamers in their teens and early 20s. People who grew up with HD gaming are unlikely to have the same level of appreciation for the mind-boggling rate of progress that we saw from the late 80s to the 7th generation of consoles.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Wait, you didn't get a second job? I call this a fail
a multicultural team of v
Member
Yeah it was really weird. People genuinely thought 1080p TVs would never be adopted by the mainstream.
SkylineRKR
Member
1080p was very expensive in 2005. And it was marketed as if the ceiling was hit. In truth 1080p still isn't mainstream with cable broadcasts, they're 1080i over here. With some exceptions that broadcast certain sports events at 4k.
But if you look at performance, these consoles should've stayed at SD or 480P. A shit ton of PS3 games run at like 20fps or have immense framedrops and thats at 720p or even lower. 360 doesn't fare much better. Some games with rather simple textures (arcade stuff like Virtua Tennis 3), 2D games like Rayman and racing games were actually 1080p. But not much else.
When 1080p was finally the go to resolution on PS4, its been quickly dropped in favor of a 4k push prompting for a mid-gen upgrade even.
But if you look at performance, these consoles should've stayed at SD or 480P. A shit ton of PS3 games run at like 20fps or have immense framedrops and thats at 720p or even lower. 360 doesn't fare much better. Some games with rather simple textures (arcade stuff like Virtua Tennis 3), 2D games like Rayman and racing games were actually 1080p. But not much else.
When 1080p was finally the go to resolution on PS4, its been quickly dropped in favor of a 4k push prompting for a mid-gen upgrade even.
Trunx81
Member
This video brought back the anger I felt when I noticed that my PS3 wasn’t configured correctly for my then brand new Full-HD TV and I was wondering why the image quality was so bad. Lol. Simple times. The “HD Ready” TVs must have been one of the worst scams in history with their subpar resolutions. At least HD eliminated the whole Pal/NTSC crap.
Never played Lair. Is there a playable version out there somewhere?
Never played Lair. Is there a playable version out there somewhere?
SkylineRKR
Member
Lair is kind of a novelty. I bought it in 2007 and beat it on hard mode with Sixaxis. It wasn't unplayable, and I didn't think the game was even that shitty. It was sort of a Panzer Dragoon game with some fortress defense etc. They patched in analog controls later. The only way to play it today is either Ps3 or emulation probably.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
1080p only test? What about 120 fps games? lol
www.eurogamer.net
News by Ellie Gibson Contributor
Updated on 31 Oct 2005
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will run games at an unprecedented (and perhaps rather pointless) 120 frames per second.
According to Japanese news service Nikkei BP, Kutaragi's comments were made at the Tokyo International Digital Conference last week where he turned up to extol the virtues of the PS3 and its Cell processor. And, of course, to make his rather astonishing claim.
It's particularly interesting because there isn't actually a TV in the world which can refresh the screen at a rate of 120 times per second. Kutaragi acknowledged this, but said he wants the PS3 to be ready to make the best of the technology once it finally arrives.
Kutaragi pointed out that the Cell chip can decode more than ten HDTV channels at a time, and can be used for rotating and zooming effects. He also discussed some of the different ways in which it could be used - to display actual-size newspaper pages, for example, to show more than one HD channel on the screen at a time, or for video conferences.
Kutaragi also explained how a processing power of 25.6 teraflops could be achieved - by creating a Cell cluster server with 16 units, each made up of eight Cell processors running at 2.5Ghz.
PS3 could run at 120 fps
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will run games at an unprecedented (an…
www.eurogamer.net
PS3 could run at 120 fps
According to Ken Kutaragi.News by Ellie Gibson Contributor
Updated on 31 Oct 2005
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will run games at an unprecedented (and perhaps rather pointless) 120 frames per second.
According to Japanese news service Nikkei BP, Kutaragi's comments were made at the Tokyo International Digital Conference last week where he turned up to extol the virtues of the PS3 and its Cell processor. And, of course, to make his rather astonishing claim.
It's particularly interesting because there isn't actually a TV in the world which can refresh the screen at a rate of 120 times per second. Kutaragi acknowledged this, but said he wants the PS3 to be ready to make the best of the technology once it finally arrives.
Kutaragi pointed out that the Cell chip can decode more than ten HDTV channels at a time, and can be used for rotating and zooming effects. He also discussed some of the different ways in which it could be used - to display actual-size newspaper pages, for example, to show more than one HD channel on the screen at a time, or for video conferences.
Kutaragi also explained how a processing power of 25.6 teraflops could be achieved - by creating a Cell cluster server with 16 units, each made up of eight Cell processors running at 2.5Ghz.
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Romulus
Member
Stare-Bear
Banned
Well, the Xbox 360 launched a year earlier without HDMI, WiFi or 1080p media player (HD-dvd). Sony really future proofed the ps3 from the start.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
DF Retro is the very best of DF.
Sadly, it doesn't get nearly enough engagement as their console war faceoffs. Still appreciated and the only DF I actually look forward to and watch, nonetheless.
Sadly, it doesn't get nearly enough engagement as their console war faceoffs. Still appreciated and the only DF I actually look forward to and watch, nonetheless.
SkylineRKR
Member
I don't know what the fuck happened with Cell but the investment that went into it along with the promise of it something went terribly wrong. Its ultimately barely used outside of the PS3 and I don't think the investors ever made a profit on it.
Yes I greatly miss RR7. I can't play it, unless I score a PS3. I can play RR6 on Xbox, but I prefer 7. Its just ridiculous that those games aren't BC, I even own them digitally still.
Launch Xbox was pathetic. Even then. Lots of TVs didn't support 1080p over Component. The lack of HDMI was baffling as nearly every HD-Ready had HDMI ports from 2005 onwards. Even the Samsungs they promoted with their demopods (I believe it was the R71). No wifi was baffling too, I was still gaming in my room and had no wired connection there. Lots of students probably didn't either. And that fucking adapter (while very good imo), was 80 bucks or so. Lack of HD-DVD wasn't really an issue for me, but Blu Ray was certainly an advantage even if it jacked the price up. No PS3 games on multiple discs, mostly DTS 5.1 etc. Still, PS3 would be better off with DVD and a far lower entry price. Esp. since you could easily upgrade HDD and dump the game on there (though PS3 couldn't do this, its game installs were partial files to reduce seek times.
The storage was an issue right out of the gate. Sony also kinda future proofed the PS3 with their HDD solution. You could easily upgrade and they had no size limits for digital downloads. Xbox really kept this small time because they sold Core SKUs. I think its because of Sony that MS ultimately gave in, lifted size caps and relaunched the Xbox with far bigger HDDs. PS3 started to push indies and digital only.
Yes I greatly miss RR7. I can't play it, unless I score a PS3. I can play RR6 on Xbox, but I prefer 7. Its just ridiculous that those games aren't BC, I even own them digitally still.
Launch Xbox was pathetic. Even then. Lots of TVs didn't support 1080p over Component. The lack of HDMI was baffling as nearly every HD-Ready had HDMI ports from 2005 onwards. Even the Samsungs they promoted with their demopods (I believe it was the R71). No wifi was baffling too, I was still gaming in my room and had no wired connection there. Lots of students probably didn't either. And that fucking adapter (while very good imo), was 80 bucks or so. Lack of HD-DVD wasn't really an issue for me, but Blu Ray was certainly an advantage even if it jacked the price up. No PS3 games on multiple discs, mostly DTS 5.1 etc. Still, PS3 would be better off with DVD and a far lower entry price. Esp. since you could easily upgrade HDD and dump the game on there (though PS3 couldn't do this, its game installs were partial files to reduce seek times.
The storage was an issue right out of the gate. Sony also kinda future proofed the PS3 with their HDD solution. You could easily upgrade and they had no size limits for digital downloads. Xbox really kept this small time because they sold Core SKUs. I think its because of Sony that MS ultimately gave in, lifted size caps and relaunched the Xbox with far bigger HDDs. PS3 started to push indies and digital only.
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Riky
$MSFT
Yeah I've got RR6 as well, haven't tried it since the 360 days so I wonder how it runs on Series Consoles , I'll give that a try tonight.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
That era of 360/PS3 gaming had better looking games than we all thought. Too bad the systems often maxed out most games at 720p/30 fps. Although some racers and sports and COD were 60 fps.
When someone posts a video on YT showing a game from that era running on a PC emulator at 4k, 60 fps, and some tidied up visuals, many of the games hold up very well to 2020 era gaming. Ya, you can tell the textures are simpler and there's less detail and crowd etc.... but the core game can still look pretty good.
HD-DVD was understandable, HDMI and WIFI was not. There were already a lot of HDMI devices and for a console that heavily bet the farm on internet connectivity, the lack of Wi-Fi or even a cheap solution for it (the dongle was 80$!!!) didn't make a lot of sense. You'd figure they'd want to have more people online to sell Gold subscriptions, DLC and Arcade games.
CoD had a great sweet spot in resolution frame rate, I still don't understand why there's always the argument that the masses don't care about framerate yet CoD with it smooth 60FPS always had a big crowd.
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SkylineRKR
Member
If you bought a 360 Premium, you were set back 400. If you needed Wifi, you were already at 500 ish. And then you still didn't have HD movie playback, only 13gb of space and no HDMI device. On top of that Gold cost money. And you want to charge your controller.
The 360 wasn't cheaper at all. I've said this countless times during the fanboy wars. I had both systems and the PS3 was cheaper since I bought the 40gb at 400 bucks and never had to pay for online gaming, I only put in a bigger HDD for 50 bucks. That was really all I ever invested in the PS3 hardware. The online was said to be shitty, i don't know, we played tons and tons of CoD and BC2 online and we never ran into issues. I thought it was great, never have to be billed or renew a membership like today. I also never forget it ate most bluetooth and USB devices. I plugged in my SLS Saturn pad and damn it worked flawlessly.
But MS did give you the choice. You could buy a Core for 299, and you could play the games. It was the absolute bare minimum you could do with that thing but it was an option.
Yeah this is true. Dead Space 2/3 on Series looks phenomenal. Mirrors Edge too and OG Ninja Gaiden 2 as well. They have a 4k resolution and 60fps, and as a result they look like PS4 games.
I'd wager that if you take Pacific Rift, Killzone 2 or Infamous 2 and 4k/60 them, they still look fantastic.
The 360 wasn't cheaper at all. I've said this countless times during the fanboy wars. I had both systems and the PS3 was cheaper since I bought the 40gb at 400 bucks and never had to pay for online gaming, I only put in a bigger HDD for 50 bucks. That was really all I ever invested in the PS3 hardware. The online was said to be shitty, i don't know, we played tons and tons of CoD and BC2 online and we never ran into issues. I thought it was great, never have to be billed or renew a membership like today. I also never forget it ate most bluetooth and USB devices. I plugged in my SLS Saturn pad and damn it worked flawlessly.
But MS did give you the choice. You could buy a Core for 299, and you could play the games. It was the absolute bare minimum you could do with that thing but it was an option.
Yeah this is true. Dead Space 2/3 on Series looks phenomenal. Mirrors Edge too and OG Ninja Gaiden 2 as well. They have a 4k resolution and 60fps, and as a result they look like PS4 games.
I'd wager that if you take Pacific Rift, Killzone 2 or Infamous 2 and 4k/60 them, they still look fantastic.
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The Fartist
Gold Member
A little off topic, I try and tell this story every chance I get, mainly because my wife and daughter don't give a shit.
I bought my 1st PS3 in October 2007, it was the Motorstorm 80gb bundle with all the memory card slots, cost me like $635± USD out the door. I bought it along side an advertised as 21 inch Vizio 720p/1080i LCD TV, I cheaped-out on a TV because I blew most of my cash on the PS3, an extra SixAxis, and Ratchet and Clank. I was willing to compromise having true HD just so I wouldn't have to play it on a CRT. After messing with the resolution settings on the Vizio, it really was 1080i max, or so I thought. After messing with the PS3 resolution settings, I realized the PS3 bypassed the 1080i chip, or whatever, on the Vizio and bumped resolution to 1080p. I felt like a fucking wizard!
Any way, thought I'd share that story with you all.
I bought my 1st PS3 in October 2007, it was the Motorstorm 80gb bundle with all the memory card slots, cost me like $635± USD out the door. I bought it along side an advertised as 21 inch Vizio 720p/1080i LCD TV, I cheaped-out on a TV because I blew most of my cash on the PS3, an extra SixAxis, and Ratchet and Clank. I was willing to compromise having true HD just so I wouldn't have to play it on a CRT. After messing with the resolution settings on the Vizio, it really was 1080i max, or so I thought. After messing with the PS3 resolution settings, I realized the PS3 bypassed the 1080i chip, or whatever, on the Vizio and bumped resolution to 1080p. I felt like a fucking wizard!
Any way, thought I'd share that story with you all.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Whereas every other shooter targeted 720p best as possible, COD games were running at something like 600 or 640p. And nobody cared.
When World at War became bc on Xbox One/One X, a bunch of buddies on my friend's list and I got back to playing some matches. It had been years since we played together. We all agreed that the game still looked pretty good for a COD game. And this was in I think 2017.
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StateofMajora
Banned
The cell processor was too good for the ps3's other components. if it had an identical gpu as 360 and some more RAM, 1080p wouldn't be so crazy (when cell is fully leveraged for graphics tasks) But games targeting 720p would look a lot better too... Imagine killzone 2 on such a PS3.
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01011001
Banned
small correction here, Ninja Gaiden 2 runs at 1755p not 4k, which is due to its originally really low 585p resolution on 360
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Fun video, John always does good stuff.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
PS3 had a tough launch time after that gamers realized how important the console is.
Barakov
Gold Member
Still waiting on 4d, tbh.1080p only test? What about 120 fps games? lol
PS3 could run at 120 fps
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will run games at an unprecedented (an…
PS3 could run at 120 fps
According to Ken Kutaragi.
News by Ellie Gibson Contributor
Updated on 31 Oct 2005
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will run games at an unprecedented (and perhaps rather pointless) 120 frames per second.
According to Japanese news service Nikkei BP, Kutaragi's comments were made at the Tokyo International Digital Conference last week where he turned up to extol the virtues of the PS3 and its Cell processor. And, of course, to make his rather astonishing claim.
It's particularly interesting because there isn't actually a TV in the world which can refresh the screen at a rate of 120 times per second. Kutaragi acknowledged this, but said he wants the PS3 to be ready to make the best of the technology once it finally arrives.
Kutaragi pointed out that the Cell chip can decode more than ten HDTV channels at a time, and can be used for rotating and zooming effects. He also discussed some of the different ways in which it could be used - to display actual-size newspaper pages, for example, to show more than one HD channel on the screen at a time, or for video conferences.
Kutaragi also explained how a processing power of 25.6 teraflops could be achieved - by creating a Cell cluster server with 16 units, each made up of eight Cell processors running at 2.5Ghz.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
LOL. Fuck, I forgot about 4D.Still waiting on 4d, tbh.
MafiaMurderBag
Member
People said the and thing about 4K & dismissed it as a gimmick. Now it's an industry standard.
BLAUcopter
Gold Member
PS3 has a special place in my heart for sure, but damn, it always felt like the lesser of the two competing consoles. If you had a 360, going to the PS3 felt like a chore and it was always playing catchup.
When I was gaming on PS3, I could always picture my friend's enjoying a much better experience on the 360 (if it wasn't dying of RROD of course lol)
But yeah, PS Tripple, what a console.
When I was gaming on PS3, I could always picture my friend's enjoying a much better experience on the 360 (if it wasn't dying of RROD of course lol)
But yeah, PS Tripple, what a console.
StateofMajora
Banned
2009 came around and PS3 began to feel like a more premium experience than 360 with exclusives like killzone 2 and uncharted 2.
But before then it was definitely lesser to 360, and even after that PS3 could still catch a poor port like Bayonetta.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
Playstation 3 was my lifeline of that generation, Looking at a mediocre Nintendo Wii with horrible looking games and a broken console Junk like Xbox 360... The only hope was PS3, in fact it was my main console.
More than 80 video games have passed through my console, My 120 GB PS3 Slim and another one that is the Super Slim.
Thank God, that Horrible generation of consoles came to an end.
More than 80 video games have passed through my console, My 120 GB PS3 Slim and another one that is the Super Slim.
Thank God, that Horrible generation of consoles came to an end.
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Sleepwalker
Member
You see the same comments nowadays about things like 4k (not as much anymore but still), 120hz, VRR and HDMI 2.1.
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01011001
Banned
most 1080p games runs like complete shit tho and should never be played at 1080p. it's only Ridge Racer 7 and a few 2D games that are actually playable that way without issue.
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Aesius
Member
I actually did the opposite and dropped PC gaming from 2007-2012 or so. It was hard to go back when I could play HD games on a screen much larger than my monitor and for much cheaper overall.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
They didn’t call him Crazy Ken for nothing.1080p only test? What about 120 fps games? lol
PS3 could run at 120 fps
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will run games at an unprecedented (an…
PS3 could run at 120 fps
According to Ken Kutaragi.
News by Ellie Gibson Contributor
Updated on 31 Oct 2005
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will run games at an unprecedented (and perhaps rather pointless) 120 frames per second.
According to Japanese news service Nikkei BP, Kutaragi's comments were made at the Tokyo International Digital Conference last week where he turned up to extol the virtues of the PS3 and its Cell processor. And, of course, to make his rather astonishing claim.
It's particularly interesting because there isn't actually a TV in the world which can refresh the screen at a rate of 120 times per second. Kutaragi acknowledged this, but said he wants the PS3 to be ready to make the best of the technology once it finally arrives.
Kutaragi pointed out that the Cell chip can decode more than ten HDTV channels at a time, and can be used for rotating and zooming effects. He also discussed some of the different ways in which it could be used - to display actual-size newspaper pages, for example, to show more than one HD channel on the screen at a time, or for video conferences.
Kutaragi also explained how a processing power of 25.6 teraflops could be achieved - by creating a Cell cluster server with 16 units, each made up of eight Cell processors running at 2.5Ghz.
01011001
Banned
1080p only test? What about 120 fps games? lol
PS3 could run at 120 fps
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will run games at an unprecedented (an…
PS3 could run at 120 fps
According to Ken Kutaragi.
News by Ellie Gibson Contributor
Updated on 31 Oct 2005
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will run games at an unprecedented (and perhaps rather pointless) 120 frames per second.
According to Japanese news service Nikkei BP, Kutaragi's comments were made at the Tokyo International Digital Conference last week where he turned up to extol the virtues of the PS3 and its Cell processor. And, of course, to make his rather astonishing claim.
It's particularly interesting because there isn't actually a TV in the world which can refresh the screen at a rate of 120 times per second. Kutaragi acknowledged this, but said he wants the PS3 to be ready to make the best of the technology once it finally arrives.
Kutaragi pointed out that the Cell chip can decode more than ten HDTV channels at a time, and can be used for rotating and zooming effects. He also discussed some of the different ways in which it could be used - to display actual-size newspaper pages, for example, to show more than one HD channel on the screen at a time, or for video conferences.
Kutaragi also explained how a processing power of 25.6 teraflops could be achieved - by creating a Cell cluster server with 16 units, each made up of eight Cell processors running at 2.5Ghz.
lol, jesus Sony really talked some major bullshit ahead of the PS3 launch... god damn...
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
The horrors and difficulty in playing on PC on large screens. /s
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kunonabi
Member
The PS3 might be the most useless console I've ever owned. Multiplats were almost always better on X360 and the few exclusives it had that interested me all got PS4 remasters/ports relatively soon after.
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