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Sony says no AAA third party devs can make a game that rivals COD.

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I think Sony also worries that ms will be in much better negotiating position than Activision ever was, that 30% Sony cut per game sold might have to drop for CoD if they want more cod games on playstation. This will be an interesting negotiation if it comes to that.
 

Ozriel

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This is completely different! One thing is to buy a studio, the other entirely is to. It the whole freaking company.

Everyone used to say -back when Microsoft announced they were getting into the industry- that they would buy everything to compete. They are doing it now.

Sad part, is that this was the perfect time for them to invest in so many studios but of course they have to take away from the competition because they will never be able to do them themselves.

Weren’t you rooting for Sony to buy Square Enix? A big publisher?
How’s Activision any different?

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Sad part, is that this was the perfect time for them to invest in so many studios but of course they have to take away from the competition because they will never be able to do them themselves.

They’re also certainly investing in studios.
They’ve set up The Initiative, built up a second team at Playground for RPGs, invested in expanding Undead Labs to AAA status and have supported multiple sub-teams within existing studios. There are literally hundreds of open jobs at Microsoft Games Studios.

That’s investment.

At the same time, they need content for Gamepass, and investments will take time to bear fruit. And so the best way to get content quickly when you’re starting from a position with only a handful of first party studios is to acquire.

I guess they don’t want you to keep posting “Phil Spencer is all talk” 😀
 

Menzies

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I don’t understand…

Sony is complaining to regulatory commissions that third party publishers can’t compete with CoD, after Microsoft committed to keeping it multi-platform?

You’re 2:1 last generation.
You’ve been essentially handed exclusive Marvel IP in Spider-Man and wolverine as system sellers.
You’ve acquired Insomniac, Bungie and others.
You’ve enjoyed sweet exclusive marketing deals to CoD in the past, leveraging your dominant market position.
You’ve locked up other third-party system sellers.

Is it written in stone somewhere Sony is entitled to everything? Isn’t precisely a deal of this magnitude necessary for fairer competition?
 

Fredrik

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This is completely different! One thing is to buy a studio, the other entirely is to. It the whole freaking company.

Everyone used to say -back when Microsoft announced they were getting into the industry- that they would buy everything to compete. They are doing it now.

Sad part, is that this was the perfect time for them to invest in so many studios but of course they have to take away from the competition because they will never be able to do them themselves.
Tiresome argument, Sony started out with essentially nothing but bought popular long time publisher Psygnosis (Founded 1984, bought by Sony 1993) to get a nice start with Playstation 1. And it’s not like popular studios like Naughty Dog was founded after Playstation either. Sony has been buying studios throughout Playstation’s whole existence and has been taking away from the competition too, as you say, by paying to lock away games from other platforms.
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Gone

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Game development has ballooned. Disney doesn’t put all of their premium movies up day one either (even with 200+ subs)?

You’re supposed to get the most out of your investment to reinvest back in to create more exclusives. They’re not going to take a loss just to do it.

Edit: Remember, these are single player exclusives without much multiplayer, so they’re only on 1/2 platforms, which means the return is much smaller than 3rd parties like COD.

Why would you want game subs over game sales if they’re buying your games? 🤣

Well, Microsoft proved it can be sustainable and they're doing it. What Sony is doing is just providing excuses for their shitty (but profitable) practices. You don't need 600 million dollars profit on each game to "reinvest", you can put them on a subscription service and still make tons of profit. But as you said, as long as stupid people keep justifying what Sony is doing with that stupid logic, they'll continue to do it.
 
Sony has been dominating for a long time but these days they’re clearly threatened and try to adapt in not always the best ways.

Like, they want to ride the subscription train like MS but they don’t want day 1 releases, which means for every game their subscribing customers buy, because they don’t want to wait, they essentially decrease the value of the service. Eventually there will be no point subscribing for core gamers who always want the latest stuff, because they’ve already played the big PS+ releases.

I didn’t buy many 2020 and 2021 games. PS+ Premium has been awesome for me.
But what about those who already bought Miles Morales, Returnal, Ratchet, Death Stranding, Demon’s Souls, FF7RI etc?

It’s a strange strategy. It’s a service for LTTP gamers, I don’t see it driving sales like Gamepass can do.
I think you're looking at the backwards:

Sony is the dominant company in the console space.
They have the worldwide mindshare (like Nintendo), they have the games catalogue to easily compete with MS and they've got a lot of cards in their hands.

The reason they don't want day 1 releases for PS+, is because there is no need for them. They will sell consoles because of the mindshare and their 1st party output, they make money of PS+ as it was. Their new subscription service only adds to the value of PS+.

If you want to talk about devalue of their brand, it's MS who suffers from it mostly.
MS barely has mindshare outside of the US and UK, their games output is mediocre, GamePass devalues Xbox as a console, what else is left, really?
 

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I don’t understand…

Sony is complaining to regulatory commissions that third party publishers can’t compete with CoD, after Microsoft committed to keeping it multi-platform?

You’re 2:1 last generation.
You’ve been essentially handed exclusive Marvel IP in Spider-Man and wolverine as system sellers.
You’ve acquired Insomniac, Bungie and others.
You’ve enjoyed sweet exclusive marketing deals to CoD in the past, leveraging your dominant market position.
You’ve locked up other third-party system sellers.

Is it written in stone somewhere Sony is entitled to everything? Isn’t precisely a deal of this magnitude necessary for fairer competition?
1. It was 2:1 because Xbox did jack shit with their own IPs lmao. There's a reason the 360/PS3 era was a lot closer...
2. Xbox was offered Spiderman first, they rejected it
3. Insomniac was a talent purchase, Sony didn't gain any IPs from that acquisition. Bungie isn't a part of Playstation Studios, they are under the SIE umbrella and will remain multi-platform/self-published.
4. Xbox had a multi-year marketing deal with COD during the 360 era. Xbox got map packs first, etc.
5. So has MS/Xbox

Sony knows that MS/Xbox's endgame is to buy up as much third party content as possible and lock it behind a Game Pass subscription. Why would they not complain? After the Activision deal goes through, MS (a 2 trillion dollar company) will have bought over 15 third party studios in the last 2 years alone, and they're committed to making major (former) third-party IPs (Bethesda) exclusive to their system. What do you think is a reasonable reaction?
 

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I think you're looking at the backwards:

Sony is the dominant company in the console space.
They have the worldwide mindshare (like Nintendo), they have the games catalogue to easily compete with MS and they've got a lot of cards in their hands.

The reason they don't want day 1 releases for PS+, is because there is no need for them. They will sell consoles because of the mindshare and their 1st party output, they make money of PS+ as it was. Their new subscription service only adds to the value of PS+.

If you want to talk about devalue of their brand, it's MS who suffers from it mostly.
MS barely has mindshare outside of the US and UK, their games output is mediocre, GamePass devalues Xbox as a console, what else is left, really?
I agree with you regarding Xbox as a brand not being on par with PlayStation, globally. But to say that Game Pass devalues Xbox consoles really doesn’t make sense. Game Pass enhances the value of an Xbox console. To be able to buy one of those consoles and add a subscription to play games without buying individually is a massive value add. Once titles like Starfield, Call of Duty, DOOM, Elder Scrolls, Diablo etc start rolling out and day one on Game Pass, that will generate a tonne of mindshare.
 
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Fahdis

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Oh gee, poor Sony... if only they were able to keep the momentum going with the KZ franchise instead of hashing out shit for their shareholders. KZ2 was becoming its own niche but of course they just had to do a shit KZ3 2 years later.
 

Menzies

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1. It was 2:1 because Xbox did jack shit with their own IPs lmao. There's a reason the 360/PS3 era was a lot closer...
2. Xbox was offered Spiderman first, they rejected it
3. Insomniac was a talent purchase, Sony didn't gain any IPs from that acquisition. Bungie isn't a part of Playstation Studios, they are under the SIE umbrella and will remain multi-platform/self-published.
4. Xbox had a multi-year marketing deal with COD during the 360 era. Xbox got map packs first, etc.
5. So has MS/Xbox

Sony knows that MS/Xbox's endgame is to buy up as much third party content as possible and lock it behind a Game Pass subscription. Why would they not complain? After the Activision deal goes through, MS (a 2 trillion dollar company) will have bought over 15 third party studios in the last 2 years alone, and they're committed to making major (former) third-party IPs (Bethesda) exclusive to their system. What do you think is a reasonable reaction?
I mean, fine complain, but any regulator looking at the market should laugh off their chair at this.

Ok, what is reasonable for Microsoft to increase their position? What are you allowing them to do?
 

The_Mike

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But I was told from members in here when Microsoft bought Activision that everyone can make a cod game. Just put in a few map, make bad gunplay and 50 weapons.

Sony clearly disagrees with them, and give people the well deserved reality check.

It's also common in here to say fps market is over saturated. But no game brings the same itch as cod.

Also, incredible how salty people are in here. The Sony echo chamber in here is really out of place.
 
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Psygnosis at one point had 45% of the marketshare in Europe. Where does Activision have 45% marketshare?
Heres the thing Sony bought Psygnosis in 1993 before Playstations launch. They then gained 40% (not 45%) marketshare in Europe only in 95-96. The reason for that was because Playstation sold incredibly well and they bundled and marketed Psygnosis games. It wasn't a case of them buying a publisher with 40% marketshare like you are trying to make out. They literally put Psygnosis up there.
 
Dead on...

I recently got a ps5 a few days before the new ps+ dropped, not by design but it just (luckily in the end I guess) took me that long to find one.

Still have my gamepass because both my brothers use pc and it's easier to use multiple accounts at once.

I never had a ps4 so only had a chance to beat like last of us and another game I'm forgetting.

So getting the back catalog and ps5 upgrades is fucking awesome for a one year subscription, but why would I keep it going so long as I have gamepass anyways.

Ps+ will never be able to keep up with gamepass with the current model, back catalog only does you so much
Have you looked at gamepass recently? This fantasy of it being a beast is comical when you look at the library.

It's all old games, they recently added watchdogs 2...
People bang on about day and date on gamepass, the service has been out years. How many games have actually launched day and date again? Gears tactics and flight simulator?
Big 3rd parties don't launch on it apart from that one big money hat the destiny clone forgot the name.

You can't help harping on about day and date when no first party games even come out. Or keep saying yeah but the games are coming. Because thats already passed meme levels.
 
Actually, after this deal closes MS has made sure that they can never acquire Ubi, Take-Two, Capcom, EA. They’re too big at that point.
Not really. They will be still smaller than Sony and Tencent 🤷‍♂️

And Bungie… wait that already happened.
You are ignoring the reason why Sony bought Bungie and why Microsoft decided to pull out from the talks.
What do you think, any chance of earning a few bucks if you jump in just for the report reaction?
You can always earn as long as it is lower than 95.

Nintendo: What is COD? What is FPS?
 
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Ozriel

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If you want to talk about devalue of their brand, it's MS who suffers from it mostly.
MS barely has mindshare outside of the US and UK, their games output is mediocre, GamePass devalues Xbox as a console, what else is left, really?

Username checks out.

GamePass is a system seller. And you’re claiming it devalues the console? 😂

Xbox is undeniably on an upward trajectory, so ‘devaluing’ comments are weird. They’re also primed to deliver their best games output for over a decade.

And no, the US and UK aren’t the only countries where the Xbox brand is strong.
 

Fredrik

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I think you're looking at the backwards:

Sony is the dominant company in the console space.
They have the worldwide mindshare (like Nintendo), they have the games catalogue to easily compete with MS and they've got a lot of cards in their hands.

The reason they don't want day 1 releases for PS+, is because there is no need for them. They will sell consoles because of the mindshare and their 1st party output, they make money of PS+ as it was. Their new subscription service only adds to the value of PS+.

If you want to talk about devalue of their brand, it's MS who suffers from it mostly.
MS barely has mindshare outside of the US and UK, their games output is mediocre, GamePass devalues Xbox as a console, what else is left, really?
They don’t need it now but the industry is evolving, fast. And with every studio they buy and with every day 1 release they would increase the value of their subscription service, which is the next big thing that will explode in the gaming industry.

A game purchase is just a couple weeks investment in the ecosystem, when you’re done with the game you’ll want something else, or you’ll get cheap and will just stop playing.

A subscription can be an investment for a year or more, and is a much lower entry point. Once you’re done with the game you’ll just jump to another one, and another, and soon you can’t even think of a scenario when you’re no longer subscribing, might even forget that you’re paying for it.

Think of it like buying the new Doctor Strange movie on Bluray compared to simply start subscribing to Disney+ and get the new movie plus all the other Marvel movies and Star Wars movies etc etc.
 
"Existing communities" may mean just maintaining the servers/lobbies for legacy COD titles and occasional quality of life updates. It doesn't guarantee anything beyond that.

That's exactly what it means. I'm comparing what MS said about the Betheda deal vs the Activision deal. In which they said they were supporting existing communities, which means FO76, ESO, Warzone etc. but also for the Activision deal they went beyond that.
 
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It's all old games, they recently added watchdogs 2...
People bang on about day and date on gamepass, the service has been out years. How many games have actually launched day and date again? Gears tactics and flight simulator?
Just this year they added 20 Day 1 games and I’m not even sure I counted them all. Including stuff like Hitman Trilogy, Total War Warhammer, Sniper Elite 5, Tunic, Norco, Weird West, Rainbow Six Extraction, etc.

You’re just talking out of complete ignorance and hoping no one will notice.
 

DenchDeckard

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Tiresome argument, Sony started out with essentially nothing but bought popular long time publisher Psygnosis (Founded 1984, bought by Sony 1993) to get a nice start with Playstation 1. And it’s not like popular studios like Naughty Dog was founded after Playstation either. Sony has been buying studios throughout Playstation’s whole existence and has been taking away from the competition too, as you say, by paying to lock away games from other platforms.
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Exactly, Sony got their foot in the door by pretty much buying the biggest games they could and purchasing studios to cement their position in the industry. They have funded incredible games and they are great competition for the industry.

Microsoft is just buying their way to cement themselves as well. They need consistent content to drive their game pass future.

It's just business.
 

Kikorin

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None can make a game that rivals CoD because Activision shaped it up with years of experience and basically started lot of the trends that are still followed by devs today in multiplayer FPS games, like it or not (I don't like CoD at all today, but can't deny how much influential has been in these years). CoD name is so big that they even found success in Battle Royale genre after Fortnite with Warzone, where basically everyone have failed except for APEX. I think to grow a new IP comparable to CoD today would take a studio/publisher like 20yrs and huge investiments, better try something different and hope for the best.
 
I would believe you before they acquire Activision/Blizzard.
You don't need to believe me, you just need to use math as revenue numbers are out there in the open.

Because when the acquisition goes through I’ll get what’s left to $95? $15 per stock if I buy at $80? Minus trading costs.
Yeah, basically the earlier people invested, more profit they will have. I started at 75 myself (should have done earlier).
 
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Ozriel

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how is it irony? i did not deny that im a fanboy or a console warrior?
go take a look at his tweet, as i said hes on another level, hes mental !

Not sure I see the difference, tbh. Probably only moderation here keeping you from sounding just like him. You can do better
 
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But I was told from members in here when Microsoft bought Activision that everyone can make a cod game. Just put in a few map, make bad gunplay and 50 weapons.

Sony clearly disagrees with them, and give people the well deserved reality check.

It's also common in here to say fps market is over saturated. But no game brings the same itch as cod.

Also, incredible how salty people are in here. The Sony echo chamber in here is really out of place.

It's not about making a better game, it's about creating as powerful of a brand. Most COD iterations have been shit/mediocre, yet they never fail to hit the top selling spots every year.
 
Because when the acquisition goes through I’ll get what’s left to $95? $15 per stock if I buy at $80? Minus trading costs.
The 15$ become quite a bit less when you consider inflation (worst case the deal could take close to another year to happen), trading fees, taxes and the small but real risk that the acquisition won't go through, which would make the stock tumble down to $60 or so... It's barely worth it imo.
 

Ozriel

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Have you looked at gamepass recently? This fantasy of it being a beast is comical when you look at the library.

It's all old games, they recently added watchdogs 2...
People bang on about day and date on gamepass, the service has been out years. How many games have actually launched day and date again? Gears tactics and flight simulator?
Big 3rd parties don't launch on it apart from that one big money hat the destiny clone forgot the name.

You can't help harping on about day and date when no first party games even come out. Or keep saying yeah but the games are coming. Because thats already passed meme levels.

Three GOTY list first party games launched day and date on Gamepass after Flight Sim. Halo infinite, FH5 and Psychonauts 2. You carefully omitted them since they didn’t fit your narrative.

Let’s keep these discussions honest.
 

CeeJay

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This is completely different! One thing is to buy a studio, the other entirely is to. It the whole freaking company.

Everyone used to say -back when Microsoft announced they were getting into the industry- that they would buy everything to compete. They are doing it now.

Sad part, is that this was the perfect time for them to invest in so many studios but of course they have to take away from the competition because they will never be able to do them themselves.
Sony play the big stack bully using their market share, it's no different. Just because someone else buys in with a bigger stack, plays them at their own game but raises the stakes doesn't make it different.

Sony were getting increasingly aggressive by moneyhatting exclusives from Bethesda so Microsoft just bought the entire company to prevent it going any further. Sony have had the COD marketing rights for a while and for all we know tried to make moves to moneyhat further exclusive content from Activision. Remember that Sony have also been on a studio spending spree and just because it's on a smaller scale than Microsoft doesn't change the fact that they are both the same in principle. Let's not try to gloss over the moves that Sony have done frequently in the past to weaken their competitors by saying that the scale of the moves was totally different. If Sony could have done something similar to weaken Xbox further then they would have.
 

Mobilemofo

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No other AAA can make cod? Hmm. Suspicious. Cod is no longer special in any capacity. It's become a generic, by the numbers shooter with random shit thrown in 'entertainment'. I'm sure there are folk capable of making a game that's much better than cod. It's time and cash like everything else. Kids might buy cod based on platform, but that's kids.
 
No other AAA can make cod? Hmm. Suspicious. Cod is no longer special in any capacity. It's become a generic, by the numbers shooter with random shit thrown in 'entertainment'. I'm sure there are folk capable of making a game that's much better than cod. It's time and cash like everything else. Kids might buy cod based on platform, but that's kids.

Any of them could make a game better than COD. Doesn't mean it's going to compete with it
 

SmokedMeat

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CoD’s shoes are too big to fill on PlayStation. Sony has nothing that can fill that hypothetical void, and neither does anyone else.
 

Gavon West

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This is pretty funny and anti competitive. Meanwhile, the deal wouldnt make ms as big as sony in the game market, especially after sony made more acquisitions.
Actually, after the merger, it makes Microsoft #2. Sony will be 3rd.
 

Mobilemofo

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Any of them could make a game better than COD. Doesn't mean it's going to compete with it
Obviously. They could tho..it's about time. I'd like Sony to do it. They are capable. They have studios who are capable. Current cod's are just utter shit. Pretty shit, but shit non the less. Was good in 07, massive fun, but shits changed for the worse gradually.
 
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Obviously. They could tho..it's about time. I'd like Sony to do it. They are capable. They have studios who are capable. Current cod's are just utter shit. Pretty shit, but shit non the less.

They could make an FPS better than COD. The chances of that ever rivaling COD though are slim to none. It takes more than capability to beat a moat.
 
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I Master l

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Obviously. They could tho..it's about time. I'd like Sony to do it. They are capable. They have studios who are capable. Current cod's are just utter shit. Pretty shit, but shit non the less. Was good in 07, massive fun, but shits changed for the worse gradually.
Did you play MW2019?
 

The_Mike

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I'd much rather Sony focus on being Sony.
Theres just too much money Sony will lose on this so I don't think Sony really cares about opinions like these.

A third party game like cod is low effort money for Sony as someone else develops the game and Sony just had to money hat it.

Much easier than develop their own game.
It's not about making a better game, it's about creating as powerful of a brand. Most COD iterations have been shit/mediocre, yet they never fail to hit the top selling spots every year.
I'm really confused by reading posts in here.

Games like gta and cod are shit games and we are all confused over why they sell. Bad games sell good.

On the other hand, games from Sony does sell well - and that's because the games are good. For some reason the rule doesn't apply to Sony.

It's really confusing that some games sell a lot because they are good, and some because they are bad.

It's really biased, and shows which foot people have their camp in.

FPS games, especially single player games, are over saturated, but when it comes to online games it's getting narrowed down alot.

Battlefield 2042 was a mess. And it's more of a arcade sim than a twitch shooter like cod. Titanfall 1 was great, but Titanfall 2s main focus was single player, where the multiplayer was forgettable.

Halo Infinite was decent, but the lack of content killed the momentum. I'm a big halo fan, but the lack of content couldn't hold me more than a month and a half, and haven't looked back. Still not the same itch as cod.

The formulae seems easy, but ain't. Just like everyone says a Sony game is just smacking together some cinematic scenarios and boom you have a blockbuster.

You still need to know how to make a proper cinematic game, and just like cod, you know how to make a twitch shooting game.
 
Just this year they added 20 Day 1 games and I’m not even sure I counted them all. Including stuff like Hitman Trilogy, Total War Warhammer, Sniper Elite 5, Tunic, Norco, Weird West, Rainbow Six Extraction, etc.

You’re just talking out of complete ignorance and hoping no one will notice.
We counting small Indies as the big day and date now. And hitman trilogy is this a joke?

Oh I forgot about total war. What a waste. no total war fan is playing the gamepass version since the dlc from the previous games won't work on it.
 
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