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[DarkMage619]

But again, the Playstation 4 was already selling better than the XBOXOne for 2 years, even without being the home of CoD.

Sounds to me like MS was right and CoD isn't some sort of genre defining title that can't be competed with. There really is no reason this deal shouldn't happen. Hopefully there are no 'blocks' in place to keep the titles off Game pass.

Once again you ignored Starfield, Elder Scrolls, and many other games that will not appear on PlayStation.

Bottom line, this is worse than time exclusive deals or a select few games not appearing on Xbox.

Morrowind was an Elder Scrolls title and it wasn't on PlayStation. Sony did just fine without it. I have yet to see any product a listing proving any of these future titles were going to be on PlayStation in the first place. Xbox gamers were sure Final Fantasy 7R and Street Fighter 5 would hit Xbox and low and behold they didn't.

The only difference is that Sony doesn't own those properties and MS DOES own Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Still these games are available for any PlayStation gamer with a capable PC and those titles will most likely also be streamable to other devices as well. You don't even need an Xbox at all.

 

[adamsapple]

Microsoft also pays to keep games away from PS+
FEB 03, 2020
Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two, Pumped BMX Pro, RAGE, and The Jackbox Party Pack 2 will be leaving the service within the next few weeks.
https://www.thegamer.com/xbox-game-pass-removing-games-shadow-tomb-raider/#:~:text=Xbox Game Pass will soon,the best deals in gaming

March 3, 2020

Shadow of the Tomb Raider join PS Now​

https://blog.playstation.com/archiv...lfenstein-ii-join-the-ps4-service-next-month/

That is a weak sauce "evidence" lol.

How are those examples of MS paying to keep games away from PS+? First link talks about games leaving Game Pass. Second about SoTR coming to PS Now.

just FYI you aren't the worst person I know Topher, that's just how the meme goes

 

[DeepEnigma]

The only difference is that Sony doesn't own those properties and MS DOES own Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Still these games are available for any PlayStation gamer with a capable PC and those titles will most likely also be streamable to other devices as well. You don't even need an Xbox at all.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

He's got exclusive rights to Phil's other ball

 

[DeepEnigma]

He's got exclusive rights to Phil's other ball

I think he's ball deep with the entire shaft.

 

[mckmas8808]

People are more comfortable with Microsoft acquiring publishers because the benefits are apparent, i.e. Game Pass day 1, continued release on Steam, MS Store Day 1, streaming that game on any device. Whereas what benefit does Sony provide to consumers by moneyhatting a game?

Isn't the bolded subjective though? If I don't have an Xbox console, then it doesn't benefit me. And\or if I don't buy into subscription services, then it doesn't benefit me either.

 

[Topher]

I think he's ball deep with the entire shaft.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Microsoft claims it ‘simply wouldn’t be profitable’ to make Call of Duty Xbox exclusive​

https://www.videogameschronicle.com...ofitable-to-make-call-of-duty-xbox-exclusive/

It goes back to when Ybarra was still with Xbox he always said you didn't spend that kind of money to take it away from the other players you needed them to make that money back.

Future IPs would probably go exclusive but current well established games that made a lot of money needed to stay on PS

 

[mckmas8808]

It can benefit Playstation gamers. The decision is between paying $70 for the game or accessing it for a month for $15. For most games, the latter option is the better choice.

What is seriously wrong with you people?! Why do yall love to lie and act as if the ONLY way to play games on the PS5, is to pay $70? Ever heard of games going on sale? Or borrowing a game's disc from a friend or family member? My god, some of yall with Phil balls in your throat.

Just take the cape off for a day.......please.

 

[Ozriel]

How did MS make anything better for any Playstation gamer by buying Bethesda\Zenimax and now Activision Blizzard?

I think the apt question would have been you asking how MS purchase of Bethesda made gaming better for their own consumers.

Because your question is unrelated to what he said.

 

[adamsapple]

It goes back to when Ybarra was still with Xbox he always said you didn't spend that kind of money to take it away from the other players you needed them to make that money back.

Future IPs would probably go exclusive but current well established games that made a lot of money needed to stay on PS

I think the next couple of them will still be.

If they want to start bringing CoD exclusive, they'll probably experiment by making an Xbox exclusive campaign mode and keep the MP running on all platforms to test the waters or something if I were to take a guess.

What is seriously wrong with you people?! Why do yall love to lie and act as if the ONLY way to play games on the PS5, is to pay $70? Ever heard of games going on sale? Or borrowing a game's disc from a friend or family member? My god, some of yall with Phil balls in your throat.

Just take the cape off for a day.......please.

The point of the discussion is availability at launch, "borrowing from a friend" and "waiting for a sale" are complete tangents lol.

Isn't the bolded subjective though? If I don't have an Xbox console, then it doesn't benefit me. And\or if I don't buy into subscription services, then it doesn't benefit me either.

It's objective in the sense that things being under MS publishing are available on multiple avenues for players. PC (Steam, MS Store, Game Pass) Console, Mobile/Cloud.

Comparatively when Sony moneyhats something, it's only available on their console for a duration and may or may not get a release on other platforms/PC year(s) later.

 

[Kagey K]

I think the next couple of them will still be.

If they want to start bringing CoD exclusive, they'll probably experiment by making an Xbox exclusive campaign mode and keep the MP running on all platforms to test the waters or something if I were to take a guess.

I think it'll start with stuff like the early access beta, maybe a 2 week headstart for release between Xbox and other systems and a bunch of random perks thrown into gamepass perks (cosmetics, double XP tokens, free double XP weekends, etc etc.) There are plenty of ways to make Xbox the place to play without taking content away from other systems, to make Xbox more appealing for the hardcore CoD crowd.

 

[Calverz]

I know, right?


They're fanatical cultists. End of.

Do us all favour and remove yourself from your Twitter echo chamber.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Do us all favour and remove yourself from your Twitter echo chamber.

I don't even have twitter. Gaf is the only place I visit for gaming.

Do us all a favor and self reflect a little.

 

[Calverz]

I don't even have twitter. Gaf is the only place I visit for gaming.

Do us all a favor and self reflect a little.

You are the one who jumped on my original post. So perhaps you need to look inward, not outward.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You are the one who jumped on my original post. So perhaps you need to look inward, not outward.

And my response to you was a damned fact. Everyone would literally flip flop 180 (both sides). But you took offense to that... so, self reflect.

 

[SmokedMeat]

If I were Microsoft I’d delay CoD on PlayStation one month, for every game they blocked from Game Pass.

You want to block games? Timed exclusivity for Diablo 4, CoD, Crash Bandicoot, etc would just get longer.

Microsoft holds all the cards. Sony has nothing.

 

[Thebonehead]

This is a follow up to the previous thread:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony-says-no-aaa-third-party-devs-can-make-a-game-that-rivals-cod.1639679/

The same reset era user has done exhaustive translations of MS's response to Sony to the Brazilian authorities.

I'm sorry, but you lost me right there.

 

[adamsapple]

You are the one who jumped on my original post. So perhaps you need to look inward, not outward.

Please Understand ™

 

[Kagey K]

If I were Microsoft then I’d delay CoD on PlayStation one month, for every game they blocked from Game Pass.

So basically just make it permanently exclusive to Xbox?

 

[Dolomite]

It's insane that yall actually think that's how any of this works\worked. You'd have to be an Xbox shill to truly believe that. If you are just joking, then I apologize.

Education is essential. However one doesn't need a lifetime career at thier Mergers and Acquisition firm understand that competitors (outside of gaming even) do this quite literally all the time.
South Park has been available on 3 different streaming services at three different times for a reason.
Non-compete contracts exist. Hell most Jobs require employees acknowledge a non-compete clause
Third party exclusivity and Marketing rights are not the same but can be offered in tandem. One literally prevents non proprietary content from releasing on other services.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Please Understand ™

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

That's not what he wants dangling on his head

 

[Calverz]

Please Understand ™

I really should stop engaging with trolls.

 

[SmokedMeat]

So basically just make it permanently exclusive to Xbox?

Probably so, but it would depend on Sony’s actions. Want to dig your grave? Then dig your grave.

Meanwhile I’d be putting the classic CoDs on Switch and watching the money roll in.

Then I’d take some of those Switch earnings and hand them to EA for timed Battlefield exclusivity - just to be a dick.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I really should stop engaging with trolls.

...

The irony lol

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I really should stop engaging with trolls.

 

[Ozriel]

My god, some of yall with Phil balls in your throat.

You need to calm down. Seeing you post stuff like this and following in Rivet’s footsteps with ‘triggered’ emojis for relatively innocuous opinions is quite strange.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Remember when they were forced to let people pick a browser, yeh that didn't last long and in fact it's harder to change your browser in windows now than ever........ so yeh good ole trustworthy MS.

You would describe the process of visiting a website to download browser, then to click "make default" after it's installed and opened harder than ever?

 

[nominedomine]

Sony is not going to co-promote games just so they'll show up on Gamepass soon after. What did people expect, MS also pays for games to be delayed on PlayStation and likely for them not to enter PS+ as well.

Sony would be setting themselves up if they were not taking care of this stuff, because we have already seen with the likes of MLB how aggressive MS is in that regard. If Sony is pushing people to buy a game on their system it doesn't look good if that same game shows up on some competing subscription service soon after.

 

[adamsapple]

I really should stop engaging with trolls.

DE is only doing his go-to thing in these threads, deflections and gifs. Please Understand ™

 

[Kagey K]

Then I’d take some of those Switch earnings and hand them to EA for timed Battlefield exclusivity - just to be a dick.

Could you imagine if MS had taken that 70B and just bought timed exclusivity on a pile of AAA games coming soon?

We saw the uproar from just Rise of the Tomb Raider, the internet would have gone ablaze, probably could have got more short term impact that way too, as a side effect the long term benefits probably wouldn't have had the same upside this deal does.

 

[Calverz]

DE is only doing his go-to thing in these threads, deflections and gifs. Please Understand ™

And his little cheerleader has arrived too

 

[Ozriel]

How do we work out what we should believe? I keep seeing MS say gamepass is profitable/sustainable but no one believes that but we believe this.

If you read the article, you’d see that ‘profitable’ in that context was used with respect to making less money from lost sales that would have been on PlayStation.

I don’t think MS is telling you that they’d lose money on a game that’d sell guaranteed millions at launch on Xbox + PC.

Remember when they were forced to let people pick a browser, yeh that didn't last long and in fact it's harder to change your browser in windows now than ever........ so yeh good ole trustworthy MS.

Eh, Even in the days preceding the browser ballot, you could download any browser of your choice and install. Nothing was being deplatformed on Windows.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Could you imagine if MS had taken that 70B and just bought timed exclusivity on a pile of AAA games coming soon?

They have to keep feeding Game Pass, so I could see it.

 

[Kagey K]

Eh, Even in the days preceding the browser ballot, you could download any browser of your choice and install. Nothing was being deplatformed on Windows.

Jesus people really digging in the closet looking for anything, we bringing up rootkits next?

 

[Neff]

Stop being such pussies Sony

 

[DeepEnigma]

DE is only doing his go-to thing in these threads, deflections and gifs. Please Understand ™

How am I deflecting?

 

[modiz]

Not sure if you’ve noticed but COD as a franchise have been in decline for some time now. COD is not as popular as it used to be. Other online shooters have been eating from its cake for a long time now. Not sure what masses you’re talking about.

Making COD exclusive to Xbox will only hurt it even more. MS is betting on a soon to be a dead horse imo. Also not sure why Sony is having a fit over it.

Lol, CoD does not have to be exclusive. PS players can still buy the game for $70, as well as people on Xbox or PC, perhaps at a lower price then. But it will also be on gamepass day 1
Also it doesn't really matter if you think the franchise is in decline, it still sells *massively* and will shift a huge amount of units. Look at the top sellers from NPD every year on PS and Xbox and show us where the other fps games are that are even close to CoD, we all wait.

 

[Clear]

This is just aimless scare mongering at this point.

Whatever, dude.

Just because it's "your side" doing the consolidating doesn't make it benign. And I'm sorry if you think MS are doing this in service of more than a profit-motive, I think you're being hopelessly naive.

In my opinion its going to be a disaster for the industry in the long term.

 

[Topher]

If I were Microsoft I’d delay CoD on PlayStation one month, for every game they blocked from Game Pass.

You want to block games? Timed exclusivity for Diablo 4, CoD, Crash Bandicoot, etc would just get longer.

Microsoft holds all the cards. Sony has nothing.

They all have the same cards they always have had. Buying timed exclusives and marketing deals isn't going anywhere simply because MS buys Activision. Now that both MS and Sony have subscription services then I expect you'll see more of a "subscription exclusive" entering into the console war.

 

[adamsapple]

Jesus people really digging in the closet looking for anything, we bringing up rootkits next?

I said it as a joke earlier in this thread but people really do be bringing Windows 3.1 era stuff up now.

Sony would be setting themselves up if they were not taking care of this stuff, because we have already seen with the likes of MLB how aggressive MS is in that regard.

MLB being on other platforms was MLB forcing Sony's hand.

The game is also available on Switch FYI, not just PS and Xbox.

 

[mckmas8808]

MS buying Activision basically saves it from whatever Facebook would do to it. Blizzard today is not the Blizzard of old maybe they can fix their issues, but I doubt it.

This is insane-level thinking. Fanboys done gone crazy here.

 

[Ozriel]

Whatever, dude.

Just because it's "your side" doing the consolidating doesn't make it benign. And I'm sorry if you think MS are doing this in service of more than a profit-motive, I think you're being hopelessly naive.

In my opinion its going to be a disaster for the industry in the long term.

Everyone is acquiring talent. Sony and Microsoft. Unless we’re in a different part of the multiverse where Sony didn’t buy Bungie and Haven this year. I certainly had no complaints about that. My post history is open.

as long as these acquisitions are contained within the three console makers, I can’t see any looming disaster. No game is ever more than $499 away from me, and that’s relatively trivial.

I certainly think most of these complaints about ‘consolidation’ are done in bad faith, since they neglect to mention the likes of Tencent and Embracer.

 

[AJUMP23]

This is insane-level thinking. Fanboys done gone crazy here.

I am not a fanboy....I just prefer MS game studios over Meta/Facebook at all times. shrug

 

[TidusYuna]

Sounds to me like MS was right and CoD isn't some sort of genre defining title that can't be competed with. There really is no reason this deal shouldn't happen. Hopefully there are no 'blocks' in place to keep the titles off Game pass.


Morrowind was an Elder Scrolls title and it wasn't on PlayStation. Sony did just fine without it. I have yet to see any product a listing proving any of these future titles were going to be on PlayStation in the first place. Xbox gamers were sure Final Fantasy 7R and Street Fighter 5 would hit Xbox and low and behold they didn't.

The only difference is that Sony doesn't own those properties and MS DOES own Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Still these games are available for any PlayStation gamer with a capable PC and those titles will most likely also be streamable to other devices as well. You don't even need an Xbox at all.

I think the Activision acquisition goes through, I think Sony knows this as well. But because they are making the acquisition of the 2nd large publisher by Microsoft contentious, if Microsoft tries to purchase another large publisher, that one more likely won't go through. But this $70 billion acquisition of Activision/Blizzard by Microsoft is probably going to greenlight a lot of acquisitions for Sony.

 

[Clear]

Everyone is acquiring talent. Sony and Microsoft. Unless we’re in a different part of the multiverse where Sony didn’t buy Bungie and Haven this year. I certainly had no complaints about that. My post history is open.

as long as these acquisitions are contained within the three console makers, I can’t see any looming disaster. No game is ever more than $499 away from me, and that’s relatively trivial.

Do you think publishers just dump content onto the market as soon as they possibly can? Or do you think there's a strong element of strategy and planning involved in order to produce share-holder friendly results on an annual and quarterly basis?

If you accept the latter to be true, what do you think happens when any one party has control over so many significant properties that it becomes difficult to manage smoothly? And what do you think happens to serial under-performers under corporate ownership?

Just bear in mind that all MS' expansion into gaming is not coming as a result of years of dominance in the marketplace. Its not a case of success breeding success!

What it is in fact is a product of corporate ambition and protectionism funded by immense wealth generated outside of gaming.

MS have only gotten to this point by burning billions of dollars in losses in order to stay in the game. Their track record is not good, which is why, two-decades-in, they are still spending huge in order to acquire IP and not expanding out from their home-grown successes.

Seriously. Why would you want a corporation with a track record like that to control all these huge, storied IP's?

I certainly think most of these complaints about ‘consolidation’ are done in bad faith, since they neglect to mention the likes of Tencent and Embracer.

I've been posting on here for a pretty long time. And I can say with complete certainty that I've never commented favourably on any sort of consolidation regardless of who was buying who.
I'm philosophically opposed to it because I understand where the path leads.

You need to understand that what's being transacted aren't "games". It's purely IP's and assets. Which means that to the buyer, they can't really lose too much even if they run their new acquisition into the ground. Because they'll always own the IP and assets even when the staff and studio they purchased is long gone and scattered to the winds.

 

[graywolf323]

l
Yeah but Sony isn't using the money to get exclusive rights for their "grocery store"

They are spending their money to stop another "grocery store" selling a product.

All this really says is Sony are offering more than MS and I'm not sure that's a fight Sony can win against MS lol.

that’s not accurate, at least not in regard to the topic of this thread

it’s more like Sony is saying we’re going to pay to market your product and you can even sell it in other stores (though the marketing will attempt to drive people to buy it at our store) but you CAN’T let other stores give it away for free to people in their paid membership club

 

[DarkMage619]

I think the Activision acquisition goes through, I think Sony knows this as well. But because they are making the acquisition of the 2nd large publisher by Microsoft contentious, if Microsoft tries to purchase another large publisher, that one more likely won't go through. But this $70 billion acquisition of Activision/Blizzard by Microsoft is probably going to greenlight a lot of acquisitions for Sony.

The industry is huge. Even after the ABK acquisition there are bigger publishers. MS will continue to grab new studios when it makes sense. I don't see being their last.

 

[adamsapple]

The industry is huge. Even after the ABK acquisition there are bigger publishers. MS will continue to grab new studios when it makes sense. I don't see being their last.

Acquisition is a normal part of business growth. It also helps birth new separate studios as well. How many good new studios that have made fantastic smaller scale games are made from employees/developers splintered from other bigger studios either during or post acquisitions. One of my most anticipated games in the remaining year, Cailstos Protocol, is being made by one such studio.