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[ACESHIGH]

Eat shit and die Sony. I never played a COD game and never will but as the skillup tweet above states it's very satisfying to watch Sony whine about exclusive content when they have been money hatting since 1994.

Besides why they whine so much about a run of the mill dirty third party game when their amazing first party studios decimate the industry? Sure pumping out a MP Fps should be easy for the naughty gods right?

The truth is that Sony is what it is thanks to third party games (and rampant piracy on their first 2 generations cough cough). Take 2 games out of the following 3 and they become colecovision

COD
FIFA
GTA

 

[Kilau]

So, why did Phil offer to extend the deal at all?

It’s not because he’s just that nice.

 

[ManaByte]

Eat shit and die Sony.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Both keep the game off the competing platform.

One is permanent, the other is not.

Sony money hatting a game doesn't mean the same game (or its sequels) won't go to other platforms in future. When you own the developer making the game, you have the power to keep that game off the competing platform indefinitely.

So tell me again how the two are the same.

 

[adamsapple]

Eat shit and die Sony. I never played a COD game and never will but as the skillup tweet above states it's very satisfying to watch Sony whine about exclusive content when they have been money hatting since 1994.

Besides why they whine so much about a run of the mill dirty third party game when their amazing first party studios decimate the industry? Sure pumping out a MP Fps should be easy for the naughty gods right?

The truth is that Sony is what it is thanks to third party games (and rampant piracy on their first 2 generations cough cough). Take 2 games out of the following 3 and they become colecovision

COD
FIFA
GTA

One is permanent, the other is not.

Sony money hatting a game doesn't mean the same game (or its sequels) won't go to other platforms in future. When you own the developer making the game, you have the power to keep that game off the competing platform indefinitely.

So tell me again how the two are the same.

Yeah, they really aren't the same. First party shouldn't be expected to deliver games for any number of years for a competing platform.

But paying third parties to keep games off of the competition is worse.

 

[ManaByte]

One is permanent, the other is not.

Sony money hatting a game doesn't mean the same game (or its sequels) won't go to other platforms in future. When you own the developer making the game, you have the power to keep that game off the competing platform indefinitely.

So tell me again how the two are the same.

I will when I can boot up FFVII Remake on a Series console.

 

[Balducci30]

Eh I kinda don’t love this deal, I have both but I feel like ms has enough - I mean they have Bethesda. They really need ALL of activision and blizzard titles? Feels kinda like bullshit to me

 

[Hawking Radiation]

So, why did Phil offer to extend the deal at all?

It’s not because he’s just that nice.

Good question but Xbox needs COD on PS platforms. Taking it away is pissing millions down the toilet and no business out there are doing anything for charity. These corporations are not your friend. They're there to make money. COD on PS means more $$$ for Xbox.

I'd be very surprised if Xbox decide to go full exclusive on any COD entries in future.

 

[ManaByte]

They really need ALL of activision and blizzard titles?

Yes because those franchises deserve to be away from Kotick.

 

[Gone]

Outright buying a developer and securing 3rd party exclusive deals is not the same thing

How many more fucking times does this need to be repeated in this thread

 

[Warnen]

So, why did Phil offer to extend the deal at all?

It’s not because he’s just that nice.

Maybe that end date will be end of this gen and with CoD as exclusive might push MS off to a huge lead next?

 

[PJX]

I don't have to, MS has done the same thing - they've funded projects that wouldn't exist otherwise.

You keep being an asshole if you like.

Keep being a naive clown, asshole.

 

[bender]

Phil is the CEO the industry deserves

 

[Gone]

One is permanent, the other is not.

Sony money hatting a game doesn't mean the same game (or its sequels) won't go to other platforms in future. When you own the developer making the game, you have the power to keep that game off the competing platform indefinitely.

So tell me again how the two are the same.

But having a deal with Marvel and then buying Insomniac to keep Spiderman on Playstation is good business by Sony, right?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I will when I can boot up FFVII Remake on a Series console.

That might still be possible in future. None of us know the terms of that timed exclusivity deal.

 

[SLB1904]

i swear to god these twites are so weird.
how many money hats Microsoft got through the years?
Microsoft conference is all about money hats

remember crossfire x?
gears of wars there was a full version of gears leaked running on ps3 and is today one of the most popular xbox games

But having a deal with Marvel and then buying Insomniac to keep Spiderman on Playstation is good business by Sony, right?

lol
how is that not a good business?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

But having a deal with Marvel and then buying Insomniac to keep Spiderman on Playstation is good business by Sony, right?

Well, it was going to stay on PS regardless of whether they bought Insomniac or not.

 

[adamsapple]

Good question but Xbox needs COD on PS platforms. Taking it away is pissing millions down the toilet and no business out there are doing anything for charity. These corporations are not your friend. They're there to make money. COD on PS means more $$$ for Xbox.

I'd be very surprised if Xbox decide to go full exclusive on any COD entries in future.

They probably were never going to.

But Jim's just created a huge PR headache for both Sony and MS with these flippant statements.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

But having a deal with Marvel and then buying Insomniac to keep Spiderman on Playstation is good business by Sony, right?

Xbox ‘turned Marvel down’, leading to Spider-Man on PS4, exec reveals

 

[Aenima]

So is Sony also ruining the industry or are you being selective? Don't move the goal posts either, I quoted your post as is.

Sony hasent bought any multiplatform publisher yet. The day they do they will also be contibuting to the shitshow this industry is heading.

 

[Gone]

Well, it was going to stay on PS regardless of whether they bought Insomniac or not.

And now CoD will be staying on Xbox so everything is fine.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I think the clear inference from this rambling response is that you’re unable to provide any source for the claims that “Spencer said exclusives are evil”.

Can’t be ‘defending lies’ when you’re unable to point out a lie.



…I’m not sure how you’re going back to a point you failed to back up before.

I think my posted links and articles do enough to prove my point. Isn’t his stance on exclusives pretty well known? You don’t remember him saying something about locking games behind a platform is unfair to a consumer? I know money, but why did he want Gamepass on PlayStation and Nintendo consoles? Even Phil eventually realized exclusives are important which lead to all these sudden and more recent acquisitions.


Actual quote from Phil.

Spencer classified gaming as a fun, community activity — and not one that should ever exclude people based on their financial situation or lack of access.

“Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives,” he said. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about. Gaming is bigger than any one device…”[\quote]

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

And now CoD will be staying on Xbox so everything is fine.

They're not even the same situations lmao

 

[ACESHIGH]

One is permanent, the other is not.

Sony money hatting a game doesn't mean the same game (or its sequels) won't go to other platforms in future. When you own the developer making the game, you have the power to keep that game off the competing platform indefinitely.

So tell me again how the two are the same.

Ok so why can't I play Bloodborne on PC then (not even a rival console) and don't tell me that's first party. It's a from software game through and through that Sony funded.

 

[Pagusas]

this whole thing is getting beyond stupid. COD may not even be relevant in 3-5 years.

 

[3liteDragon]

But having a deal with Marvel and then buying Insomniac to keep Spiderman on Playstation is good business by Sony, right?

It’s hilarious how many people don’t realize this, Marvel owns the IP & licensed Sony the copyrights to fund/publish a video game for their console. Microsoft if they wanted right now, could go to Marvel & pay them a hefty sum for a license & publish their own Spider-Man, nothing’s stopping them. Take it up with Phil.

Sony acquiring Insomniac had fuck all to do with whether or not the game was coming to Xbox, the game was already out on PS4 before Insomniac got acquired.

 

[ManaByte]

I don't have to, MS has done the same thing - they've funded projects that wouldn't exist otherwise.

You keep being an asshole if you like.

Keep being a naive clown, asshole.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Well yea...IDK who was expecting it to stay multi play. Of course it's going to go exclusive after a while. It's just weird to see a company like Sony seeming genuinely flustered by that prospect. I know its a huge money maker but its not monopolistic so I don't see how this changes much.

 

[Kagey K]

this whole thing is getting beyond stupid. COD may not even be relevant in 3-5 years.

Ppl have been saying that since Black Ops 3. Yet it keeps going.

 

[0neAnd0nly]

Well, at least Sony is giving Xbox some of its exclusives… for reasons…

Because Microsoft is the #GoodGuys, amirite?

Microsoft has a history of being the wonderful head of consumer values; first paid multiplayer service, introduced micro transactions, the wonderful vision of DRM.

Who else knew this was going to end badly? Jim Ryan should have… I don’t know… fought harder BEFORE it happened rather than after. But I digress. At least under Ryan PlayStation didn’t eliminate its successful First Party FPS franchise, Killzone, though, right? Right? Oh wait.

 

[Yoboman]

Ok so why can't I play Bloodborne on PC then (not even a rival console) and don't tell me that's first party. It's a from software game through and through that Sony funded.

Go ask From Software. Sony are fine with their games being ported to PC

 

[ManaByte]

Jim playing a low-quality victim card here is awfully amusing to me. Had Microsoft not bought up Bethesda, Starfield could very likely be PlayStation exclusive, based on seemingly sustained rumours. Ryan didn't seem to care all that much about that one, so, what's different here? It's pretty obvious: Jim is worried that the title that built and props up their PSN user base is going away in three years, and will be used to build up Game Pass instead - a service they can't afford to loss-lead to compete with. If Sony could've afforded exclusive Call of Duty, they abso-fucking-lutely would have. Jim comes off as being pissed that Microsoft is playing a game above his pay grade, and he's staring down the barrel of inevitable declining PSN numbers that he can't do a thing about.

 

[Gudji]

But having a deal with Marvel and then buying Insomniac to keep Spiderman on Playstation is good business by Sony, right?

MS rejected spiderman they know they don't have the talent to pull it off.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

Good question but Xbox needs COD on PS platforms. Taking it away is pissing millions down the toilet and no business out there are doing anything for charity. These corporations are not your friend. They're there to make money. COD on PS means more $$$ for Xbox.

I'd be very surprised if Xbox decide to go full exclusive on any COD entries in future.

You people keep saying that and then the head of MS and Sony both come out and say its only going to be for a few years after the contracts run out.

CoD is going console exclusive without government intervention or some sweetheart deal from Sony to MS.

 

[Kilau]

Good question but Xbox needs COD on PS platforms. Taking it away is pissing millions down the toilet and no business out there are doing anything for charity. These corporations are not your friend. They're there to make money. COD on PS means more $$$ for Xbox.

I'd be very surprised if Xbox decide to go full exclusive on any COD entries in future.

Yeah I've always felt Warzone at least will be there.

Maybe that end date will be end of this gen and with CoD as exclusive might push MS off to a huge lead next?

You know, that might be it. MS might feel that they won't get the huge casual gamer audience on PS that plays CoD almost exclusively to switch consoles mid gen. Enough of those players might just stick with Warzone or try something new rather than buy a new console if CoD just stops halfway through the cycle but if it's the start of a new gen that change would be a much easier sell for the only console that gets CoD yearly.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

They probably were never going to.

But Jim's just created a huge PR headache for both Sony and MS with these flippant statements.

Not sure what's going on behind the scenes and none of us will know what is planned but Sony can ill afford to rest on the case that COD might remain on PS platforms in future.

They have such fantastic talent at their disposal and they just acquired Bungie. Go on and make your own COD as there's clearly a market for an arcade FPS shooter.
I'm sure Jim is doing a good job because you don't get to where he is if you didn't. He's just a bit of a fucking nutter at times and needs to be reigned in.

And LOL for people in here saying Phil needs to scrap the deal with COD on PS. That's not going to happen because Xbox needs the PS userbase as much as PS needs COD.

 

[SLB1904]

Ok so why can't I play Bloodborne on PC then (not even a rival console) and don't tell me that's first party. It's a from software game through and through that Sony funded.

bloodborne was co-developed with japan studios

 

[In Cold Blood]

The fuckin balls on Ryan to tell MS that their offer of putting their game on PS5 isn't good enough tells you all you need to know.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Wonder if Sony could've shuffled some of that social justice money around to acquire exclusive rights to some games for their platform instead of bitching about competition simply being competitive.

Sorry but as much as this entertains me from purely a news standpoint, as someone who isn't restricted to what they play when it comes to platforms his comes across as childish.

 

[Kagey K]

You people keep saying that and then the head of MS and Sony both come out and say its only going to be for a few years after the contracts run out.

Yeah I feel like Sony must know or suspect something, otherwise Jim wouldn't be feeling so inadequate on so many levels.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Sony hasent bought any multiplatform publisher yet.

Publisher? You didn't say that before.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Just like Sony buying Bungie which was on Xbox platform since 2001 ?

I mean we all know Bungie sooner or later will make exclusive games for PlayStation platform and they will say it's by choice so we can cut development costs etc.

It's ok for Sony to own the makers of Halo, but it's not ok for MS to own Call of duty...


I said it before and I'll say it again. Jim can fuck off. And Phill with him too for that matter. These people are nothing but corporate bullshit and they will fuck u in the ass without any cream the second they can.

Thank fucking god I am out of this console bullshit. PC is the only platform from now on. They can fuck each other all day long. I'll just play their games on PC sooner or later. Don't give a shit if the game is delayed a year or 2. Plenty of fucking games to play and I stopped buying day one games since 2019.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

You people keep saying that and then the head of MS and Sony both come out and say its only going to be for a few years after the contracts run out.

CoD is going console exclusive without government intervention or some sweetheart deal from Sony to MS.

You can be sure they're going to renegotiate that after the contract expires.

As I said, these corporations are not your friend. They won't keep COD console exclusive because they'll be pissing away the revenue that the PS userbase brings in. Isn't the PS userbase almost double that of Xbox?

PlayStation sales for Call of Duty: Vanguard physical version accounted for over 70% of its total sales. Activision's shooter primary sales figures included PS5 accounting for 41% of sales, PS4 29%, Xbox One 19%, and Xbox Series X and S 11%.
Xbox stand to lose close to $1 Billion in sales if it keeps COD off the PS platform.

So again, what benefit is there to keeping COD console exclusive and losing out on all that money. The aim for any business is profit. Xbox doesn't profit from cutting PS out of the deal.

 

[Yoboman]

Ppl have been saying that since Black Ops 3. Yet it keeps going.

While true it keeps on ticking along, the sales gaps between the Infinity Ward games and other devs seem to be getting bigger.

Warzone free 2 play has also caused a large shift since it came out and it's yet to be seen if this continues to affect the mainline sales as it had the past two years

 

[ACESHIGH]

bloodborne was co-developed with japan studios

Co developed? You mean a few Sony folk served coffee? It's a from software game through and through same as demon's souls.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

Yeah I feel like Sony must know or suspect something, otherwise Jim wouldn't be feeling so inadequate on so many levels.

It's not like him to speak out like this either. I try not to read too much into things but I am going to (lol). I think there is real fear that once MS owns CoD and if they do go console exclusive, that just might be enough to put a MASSIVE dent in their business model and Jim Ryan knows this.

 

[Arachnid]

Damn Jim, coming in with that heat

Heat? Dude comes off like he's desperate. He's terrified of losing out on COD money, and it shows.

"Think about our gamers, Herr Spencer! Maybe if I publicly bitch, Microsoft will give us more than 3 years!"

Trade up some of your own IPs if it's such a scary hit. Put your money where your mouth is and make more IPs multi-console. Xbox owns COD now, so you can't be angry about it being exclusive in the near future.

this whole thing is getting beyond stupid. COD may not even be relevant in 3-5 years.

As a MASSIVE Battlefield Fan, I've been saying this for decades. It's only a matter of time.

Spoiler

 

[Aenima]

Publisher? You didn't say that before.

Im gonna start calling you Goldenfish, cuz your memory only lasts 5 seconds.

You'r the one that needs to rethink your posts if you think buying major multiplatform publishers is not fucking up the videogame industry.

 

[Hendrick's]

So to summarize, Sony exclusives good for gamers and the industry, Xbox exclusives bad.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You can be sure they're going to renegotiate that after the contract expires.

As I said, these corporations are not your friend. They won't keep COD console exclusive because they'll be pissing away the revenue that the PS userbase brings in. Isn't the PS userbase almost double that of Xbox?

PlayStation sales for Call of Duty: Vanguard physical version accounted for over 70% of its total sales. Activision's shooter primary sales figures included PS5 accounting for 41% of sales, PS4 29%, Xbox One 19%, and Xbox Series X and S 11%.
Xbox stand to lose close to $1 Billion in sales if it keeps COD off the PS platform.

So again, what benefit is there to keeping COD console exclusive and losing out on all that money. The aim for any business is profit. Xbox doesn't profit from cutting PS out of the deal.

Sony accounted for $1.37 Billion in 2020 for Activision in total, why would MS cut that out?