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PlayStation: Xbox's Call of Duty offer was "inadequate on many levels"

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
This is what folks call 'Moving the Goalpost"? Cuz I never mention Game Pass, you just did.

MS found themselves without Studios and IP to be competitive regardless of Game Pass or not. And because of that they are have to pay exponentially more to catch up.
Sony did the same thing but just earlier. And they just bought Bungie for around $3 billion and the only game they do is Destiny.

Aside from Gran Turismo, God of War and their annual baseball game, all of their other popular franchises are programmed from independent studios who they bought out the past 20 years.

Where's all the home grown grassroots Sony studios from the US, Japan or Europe making new IPs? GT, GOW and baseball are games which originated from the PS1/PS2 era.
 
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Is not Sony's fault MS can't properly manage a studio to save their life.

No be hating on Sony for MS faults and mistakes.
Besides 343i, what studios has Microsoft mismanaged in the past few years? PlayGround Games is a premier racing developer and had delivered hit after hit consistently for Xbox. The Coalition has continued the Gears of War franchise smoothly and continues to be a team that pushes the Unreal Engine to its limits. Rare delivered Sea of Thieves which many thought (or hoped) would be a major flop yet it became a very big success and is often charting well on Steam. Undead Labs has delivered a sequel to their hit game State of Decay and improved upon all aspects of the original, and they are now working on the third game in the franchise. All the other studios that MS has acquired in the last 3+ years are hard at work creating their first real games under the Xbox banner, and apart from some rumblings from unknown and unreliable sources that the teams are "behind schedule" or "have no leadership", we know absolutely nothing about the quality of the games they are producing yet. It seems to me more likely that you are hoping that these studios fail instead of waiting to actually see what their finished products actually play and look like.
 
You are drifting to a different subject. The subject in hand is Sony being pissed off and shitting their pants about COD. It's their highest selling game on their platform.
Is free real state. They will be morons other wise.

Yet Sony goes and buy Bungie at the same time MS buying Activision.
Now you are changing the subject.

This is not about Acti-Blizz is about COD.

Look at the Brazilian papers, Phill/Jim statements.....yep CoD always pops up. It seems Soy doesn't give a shit about Overwatch, Diablo, Warcraft etc.



Do not come at me and say buying publisher is not same as buying studio. Bungie was no longer a studio and it was a publishing it's own game ever since the Activision split.
I didn't say that. I said. Is not Sony's fault MA didn't create Studios/IP

Second buying publishes and studios is fundamentally different.

The bungie case proves my point even hatred.

Bungie was owned by who?...Ah MS. AGAIN MS mistakes and faults not taking care of their studios. They lost Bungie. That ain't Sony's fault.


It's ok for Sony to buy the makers of Halo. But it's not ok for MS to buy Cod ?
Again. MS management was so bad that Bungie had to buy his freedom.

CoD is and historical Multiplatform IP. And has more players/makes more money in PlayStation.

MS can try to buy CoD. But I bet if there is a condition for this acquisition to be approved is going to around CoD.


Yeah Sony Can fuck off.
Sony can fuck off. But they will not

They have been buying whatever they can within their budget.
In this consolidation phase. Don't be hating the game. Is not Sony fault MS neglected Xbox division for years

MS is doing the same. End of the subject . Jimbo can cry a river. In fact I hope he gets fired too. This guy sucks
Sure. At the end of the day is the regulatory instances who had the final word.
 

ChiefDada

Gold Member
The craziest thing about all this is that I still can't believe COD is such a big deal after all these years,lol.....it got stale for me after the second one.

CoD franchise has been on the decline for some time now, as I've stated previously. The irony here is that decline will be further exacerbated the moment Microsoft cuts off the PS platform. To the point where such a move could be the final death blow for the franchise.
 

//DEVIL//

Member
Is free real state. They will be morons other wise.


Now you are changing the subject.

This is not about Acti-Blizz is about COD.

Look at the Brazilian papers, Phill/Jim statements.....yep CoD always pops up. It seems Soy doesn't give a shit about Overwatch, Diablo, Warcraft etc.




I didn't say that. I said. Is not Sony's fault MA didn't create Studios/IP

Second buying publishes and studios is fundamentally different.

The bungie case proves my point even hatred.

Bungie was owned by who?...Ah MS. AGAIN MS mistakes and faults not taking care of their studios. They lost Bungie. That ain't Sony's fault.



Again. MS management was so bad that Bungie had to buy his freedom.

CoD is and historical Multiplatform IP. And has more players/makes more money in PlayStation.

MS can try to buy CoD. But I bet if there is a condition for this acquisition to be approved is going to around CoD.



Sony can fuck off. But they will not


In this consolidation phase. Don't be hating the game. Is not Sony fault MS neglected Xbox division for years


Sure. At the end of the day is the regulatory instances who had the final word.
Sorry but nothing is worse than missing my point by breaking what I said and it was clearly obvious just so you can have a bad comeback. No disrespect but that was weak and annoying at the same time.

Doesn't matter what X company buy Y studio. It's about Sony is crying like a bitch when MS didn't open their mouth when Sony bought Bungie.

Sony is just a sore loser. Period.

I am done quoting you trying to explain the so many wrongs in your posts.

"Don't be hating the game or hating the player" kinda replies tells me you are still young and you are not looking at things in the bigger picture heh. Good luck
 
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Again. MS management was so bad that Bungie had to buy his freedom.
What kind of revisionist fantasy history are you spouting here LMAO. Bungie left Microsoft because they had an idea for a new IP they believed could be just as successful as Halo, but Microsoft wanted the studio to only continue expanding the Halo universe. That was the only disagreement that was ever made public. There was never any mention of Microsoft being a horrible place to work or mismanaging the team.
 
Sony did the same thing but just earlier. And they just bought Bungie for around $3 billion and the only game they do is Destiny.
Bungie was owned my MS. Isn't Sony fault Bungie had to buy his freedom

Aside from Gran Turismo, God of War and their annual baseball game, all of their other popular franchises are programmed from independent studios who they bought out the past 20 years.
Smart move. Ain't sony's fault MS didn't grow, create, buy studios at early stages. Now they a desperate trying to acquire studios and IP.

Where's all the home grown grassroots Sony studios from the US, Japan or Europe making new IPs? GT, GOW and baseball are games which originated from the PS1/PS2 era.
Ghost of Tsushima
Horizon
Gravity Rush
Astro Bot.
Dreams.
BloodBorne
Uncharted
The Last of Us.

Just to name a few. New IPs.
 

Max_Po

Banned
Rare under Mattrick was making Kinect games and Xbox avatar clothing. Spencer greenlit Sea of Thieves after seeing the prototype.

RARE also made Nut n Bolts which is one of their best games. I haven't bothered with The Sea of Thieves after the initial release..is it a vastly different game?
 
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What kind of revisionist fantasy history are you spouting here LMAO. Bungie left Microsoft because they had an idea for a new IP they believed could be just as successful as Halo, but Microsoft wanted the studio to only continue expanding the Halo universe. That was the only disagreement that was ever made public. There was never any mention of Microsoft being a horrible place to work or mismanaging the team.
They bought their freedom not because they were happy. 😆
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
ND has been a Sony studio for over 20 years, during which time they've become a critically acclaimed AAA studio. While the Crash games were fun at the time, there's a huge difference.
Maybe you weren’t alive during the PS1 era, but Crash was bigger than Uncharted 1-3 in their respective eras.

Crash sold 17 million copies on PS1. Uncharted sold 14 million copies on PS3.

Let’s not revise history to try and make it sound like a Sony master stroke where they plucked some unknown studio out of obscurity.
 

//DEVIL//

Member
ND has been a Sony studio for over 20 years, during which time they've become a critically acclaimed AAA studio. While the Crash games were fun at the time, there's a huge difference.

And Insomniac is more or less built on R&C, a Sony franchise.
Oh dear god... I can't .... No words..

Thanks Banjo64 Banjo64 for taking over. I can't deal with horrible posts. Cheers mate!
 
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RoadHazard

Gold Member
Maybe you weren’t alive during the PS1 era, but Crash was bigger than Uncharted 1-3 in their respective eras.

Crash sold 17 million copies on PS1. Uncharted sold 14 million copies on PS3.

Let’s not revise history to try and make it sound like a Sony master stroke where they plucked some unknown studio out of obscurity.

Oh dear god... I can't .... No words..

Thanks Banjo64 Banjo64 for taking over. I can't deal with horrible posts. Cheers mate!

I'm not saying either of them were unknown nobodies when Sony acquired them, but if you think it's even remotely similar to MS buying Bethesda or AB (or Sony buying Bungie for that matter) I don't know what to tell you. Sony buying Insomniac was the most natural acquisition ever due to their history together.
 
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John Wick

Member
20 years later, and Xbox is still trying to buy their way to number #1 lol.

Has the company ever actually taken risks and make games people like? Or has it always been opening papas wallet?
Without MS bailing out Xbox division they would have went the way of Sega long ago.
Their Modus Operandi has always been to stifle competition, monopolise and buy their way to success. Nothing has changed but they are far smarter in the way they go about it. Also complaining about the competition to the relevant authorities on the sly is another play from their book.
 
Those are the only ones and working better on their own before Phil Spencer. IT has taken some time for Sea of Theives.
So he doesn't get any credit whatsoever when the studios he directly has been overseeing since 2014 succeed?

It's obvious he could be doing a better job, but if you are going to knock people for their failures, you have to give them credit when they succeed as well. I think 2023 is going to be the year that defines Phil Spencers time at Xbox. From a services aspect and the rebound he oversaw, A+ but so far software wise he's merely a solid C. Halo needs to get back on track. I assume it will but we are talking about the folks that took 5-6 years to make MCC into something special, so I won't hold my breath. Specifically, Forza Motorsport, Starfield, and Redfall, all need to be major home runs. I'm 100% Forza will be a lock since Turn 10 doesn't make bad games, 90% Starfield will blow people away, and unsure how well Redfall will be received. Regardless, we are at the pint where he needs to put up, or shut up.
 

Tefl0n

Member
Jim is punching the air, thinking about how he can’t pay Activation for exclusive weapons, maps and marketing anymore.
 
I'm not saying either of them were unknown nobodies when Sony acquired them, but if you think it's even remotely similar to MS buying Bethesda or AB (or Sony buying Bungie for that matter) I don't know what to tell you. Sony buying Insomniac was the most natural acquisition ever due to their history together.
Why does Microsoft have to follow Sony's playbook? That's nice that Sony did it their way decades ago, now Microsoft is doing it their own way.
 

gatti-man

Member
So Ms offered you 3 more years than you have any right to and you refuse? Stupid decision. Who knows what the market will look like in 3 years. COD is already losing some steam ride that wave then use Bungie to develop a killer IP to hopefully counter COD. Or something else. It gives you 3 years time that’s massive. But no let’s get butt hurt and cry about it.
 

John Wick

Member
I'm not saying either of them were unknown nobodies when Sony acquired them, but if you think it's even remotely similar to MS buying Bethesda or AB (or Sony buying Bungie for that matter) I don't know what to tell you. Sony buying Insomniac was the most natural acquisition ever due to their history together.
ND are nowhere near the same ballpark as MS acquiring Zenimax and AB.
 
Without MS bailing out Xbox division they would have went the way of Sega long ago.
Their Modus Operandi has always been to stifle competition, monopolise and buy their way to success. Nothing has changed but they are far smarter in the way they go about it. Also complaining about the competition to the relevant authorities on the sly is another play from their book.
Even if people don't like the Xbox brand, we need at least two powerhouses to keep it competitive. I doubt Sony would be on their toes right now if they were given free reign of our living room gaming.
 

Three

Member
You’re saying this as if all third party Gamepass deals are for day one access. That’s far from the truth. Sony’s deals also block some games from coming to the service even a year post release…and lump sum payments at such a time would be relatively small.
If you are saying they are cheap to buy up for a sub 1 yr post release there is nothing stopping them from doing that on countless amounts of games. The problem is that the popular big third parties don't see it and enter those exclusivity deals knowing that the possibility of the lump sum offered isn't more attractive or some even have no deals or deals with MS and still don't come to gamepass. The idea that Sony is the driving force for gamepasses content strategy is frankly ludicrous fanboy drivel. They are trying to invent the boogeyman for why they are not getting the big games when it's a little simpler than that.
 
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Hestar69

Member
The minions on each side are pathetic BUT they are doing what they are supposed to do. Like little worker ants. Which at the end of the day very entertaining.


Is bussines. MS could easily offered 2 or 3 times more what Sony offers to negate the deal or make similar moves.

MS is not your Innocent and pure benevolent Angel.


Sorry, but I find these kind of comments sus af. If someone is a huge FF fan for example, you buy a Play Station. That's it.
Nope microsoft isn't and I didn't say they were..they did shit exclusive stuff like GTA stuff on 360..

Well,most of my friends now are PUBG addicts and their stuff doesnt transfer over to ps5 version (I tried when had an old xbox and ps4 pro that could run it in 60fps).My friend has 1000'd ff 7-13 (yes even 10-2 recently) I'd say he's a FF fan lol
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Why does Microsoft have to follow Sony's playbook? That's nice that Sony did it their way decades ago, now Microsoft is doing it their own way.

They don't have to. Or maybe it's that they can't. They have never really demonstrated an ability to build up and maintain successful studios (with a few possible exceptions). So they have to use what they do have, which is more money than anyone else, to buy up everything they can and crush the competition that way. That's what MS generally does, not just on the Xbox side.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
I'm not saying either of them were unknown nobodies when Sony acquired them, but if you think it's even remotely similar to MS buying Bethesda or AB (or Sony buying Bungie for that matter) I don't know what to tell you. Sony buying Insomniac was the most natural acquisition ever due to their history together.
At the time Crash Bandicoot easily had the cultural mindshare of TES and Fallout. There are no natural or holistic or organic acquisitions.
 
RARE also made Nut n Bolts which is one of their best games. I haven't bothered with The Sea of Thieves after the initial release..is it a vastly different game?
Sea of Thieves is an amazing game that has probably had more new content (for free) than likely any other game released in the same time frame. The game launched in an extremely polished yet featureless state, and RARE has done a stellar job keeping the game fresh and new.
 
They don't have to. Or maybe it's that they can't. They have never really demonstrated an ability to build up and maintain successful studios (with a few possible exceptions). So they have to use what they do have, which is more money than anyone else, to buy up everything they can and crush the competition that way. That's what MS generally does, not just on the Xbox side.
A company is using their strengths: money and cloud computing, to better compete against it's rivals. News at 11.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
At the time Crash Bandicoot easily had the cultural mindshare of TES and Fallout. There are no natural or holistic or organic acquisitions.

Well, that's one franchise, and Sony didn't even get that IP in the acquisition, they wanted ND because they were a promising studio. MS's main reason for acquiring Bethesda and AB is to get their franchises and take them away from their biggest competitor.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Bungie was owned my MS. Isn't Sony fault Bungie had to buy his freedom


Smart move. Ain't sony's fault MS didn't grow, create, buy studios at early stages. Now they a desperate trying to acquire studios and IP.


Ghost of Tsushima
Horizon
Gravity Rush
Astro Bot.
Dreams.
BloodBorne
Uncharted
The Last of Us.

Just to name a few. New IPs.
All independent studios bought out.

Makes no difference if it's early stages or a giant like Activision. A buyout is a buyout. And going by Sony's home grown studio games, they were trending down big time so thats why they bought out these third party companies. As I said, the only big franchises left from home grown studios after 30 years are GT, GOW and baseball.
 

Fredrik

Member
The corporate world is so bizarre. Why does Microsoft have to deal with Sony at all regarding a company Sony has no stake in..
It’s because a big company can use their wallet to erase the competition.

What makes this weird is that Sony is so much bigger than MS in the gaming industry, and Sony has been using exclusives to build their whole business model and here they’re complaining about the consequences when games are exclusive.
 

Jinzo Prime

Member
I'd like to know what claim Sony as on Activision for Sony to be able to reject an "offer" from Microsoft. If Sony wanted Activision , they should have bought it, plain and simple.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
It’s because a big company can use their wallet to erase the competition.

What makes this weird is that Sony is so much bigger than MS in the gaming industry, and Sony has been using exclusives to build their whole business model and here they’re complaining about the consequences when games are exclusive.

Which hugely successful multiplatform franchises have Sony bought up and made PS exclusive though?
 
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tmlDan

Member
It’s because a big company can use their wallet to erase the competition.

What makes this weird is that Sony is so much bigger than MS in the gaming industry, and Sony has been using exclusives to build their whole business model and here they’re complaining about the consequences when games are exclusive.
you contradicted yourself in one comment.

Sony can say that because they are much smaller overall, stop thinking in silos, this isn't just about gaming when both are global multinational corporations with massive differences in power. For the hundredth time, buying 2 publishers is not the same as one studio.

FFS stop using the same argument.
 
One pathetic CEO lying. Another pathetic CEO throwing a tantrum. Followed by 25 of the most pathetic pages this site has ever seen, this is just brilliant!
Flexing Comedy Central GIF by South Park
 

Three

Member
Maybe you weren’t alive during the PS1 era, but Crash was bigger than Uncharted 1-3 in their respective eras.

Crash sold 17 million copies on PS1. Uncharted sold 14 million copies on PS3.

Let’s not revise history to try and make it sound like a Sony master stroke where they plucked some unknown studio out of obscurity.

That's true but I'm not sure why it's even being brought up because Crash is nothing like what's happening today.

Sony published Crash bandicoot and made it a household name but never owned it nor made it exclusive after a buy out because Naughty dog didn't own the IP either.

When Sony bought Naughty Dog Crash Bandicoot actually became multiplatform. Not the other way round.

So I don't understand the relevance to the ND acquisition. It's akin to MS who bought a talented studio like Playground games. Nobody is upset or getting shafted by it. Why is it even being brought up?
 
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I think they are (or he is) just trying to dramatize their entry into console gaming, the same way it was done with Sony's entry. With Sony, there is some credibility — e.g. Nintendo PlayStation unit that exists, Philips announcing their deal with Nintendo the same time Sony was announcing it also.
I am doubtful, of the one he is now trying to tell, at-least in the way he wants to tell it, about Xbox. It just makes for an interesting story but he's definitely 'overselling' it.


Hm 🤔

Link
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/gang-beasts-dev-parity-clause-means-we-cant-commit-to-xbox-one-release#:~:text=The parity stipulates that indies,from others released before it.

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How did I forget to mention the part that they are trying to mimic about Sony/Nintendo's story with why Xbox was green-lit. The CEO of Sony didn't green light the PlayStation until Nintendo "betrayed" them.

But the PlayStation itself was already being planned when before that change of partners, a Sony console was always coming you can't build hardware, get partners, and store logistics ready in a little over 1 year.

COD's demise has been so long overdue. I remember when Modern Warfare hit the scene and basically ruined Halo multiplayer. Can't believe it's managed to stay on top this long. Cutting the player base in half could be the start which is why I hesitate to believe that Xbox would make it an exclusive. Could definitely see it going free on game pass but even that sounds like a stupid move for such a cash cow.

Your post reads just like the ones from 2013.

Before COD dies it will probably be the best selling game franchise of all time.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Currently,...Final Fantasy. In the past it was Tomb Raiders on ps1...ect/

I didn't know Sony had bought SE.

But I will also say that FF has been very strongly connected with PlayStation since the PS1, and before that with Nintendo. It has never really been an obvious multiplatform series, unlike everything MS is currently buying up.

(I'm still not a fan of Sony buying exclusivity for it though, if that's what's going on. I just don't think it's the same.)
 
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Fredrik

Member
Which hugely successful multiplatform franchises have Sony bought up and made PS exclusive though?
Which hugely successful multiplatform franchises have MS bought up and made Xbox exclusive though?

Call of Duty hasn’t happened yet and might not happen until this generation ends. Same goes for The Elder Scrolls. Fallout is even further away. Doom? Could happen sooner I guess but they’ve said nothing about that yet.

Playstation exclusive Street Fighter 5 was a big deal though. The reason it happened was said to be about saving the IP but who knows if that’s the real reason. It’s corrected with SF6 though.

We do know that mainline Final Fantasy 16 and FF7 Remake and Rebirth is exclusive to PS. Might change with FF17 but we know nothing about that, for all we know Sony might buy Square Enix before that’s coming out.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Which hugely successful multiplatform franchises have MS bought up and made Xbox exclusive though?

Call of Duty hasn’t happened yet and might not happen until this generation ends. Same goes for The Elder Scrolls. Fallout is even further away. Doom? Could happen sooner I guess but they’ve said nothing about that yet.

Playstation exclusive Street Fighter 5 was a big deal though. The reason it happened was said to be about saving the IP but who knows if that’s the real reason. It’s corrected with SF6 though.

We do know that mainline Final Fantasy 16 and FF7 Remake and Rebirth is exclusive to PS. Might change with FF17 but we know nothing about that, for all we know Sony might buy Square Enix before that’s coming out.

Starfield was going to be multiplatform. But sure, that's not a franchise yet.

And all of the ones you mention and more will become Xbox console exclusive, that's pretty much guaranteed.
 

deathsaber

Member
This whole thing amounts to:

Phil Before the regulators approve MS's purchase of Activision)- Yah, sure we going keep CoD multiplatform, cause we are all about access to this massive property! No monopoly happening here!

Phil (after the purchase is approved)- Sure, CoD will be multiplatform- Available on Xbox consoles, Windows PC AND Gamepass. Bwahahaha! Hey Sony, how much do you want to pay us to put Gamepass on PS5?
 

Infamy v1

Member
Not surprising people are ignoring Phil recently saying this exact same thing (several more years, etc), and that this is even better than the industry standard. Imagine thinking that a company would ever agree to sign a contract saying they're going to fund and develop something they own for their rival, forever. You'd be laughed out of the courtroom.

This is simply Phil executing his company's best interests while Jimbo doing the same for his company (trying to milk more years, perhaps?). Nothing more. Also hilarious are the people who think Sony and Jimmyboy haven't already released this info to regulators and are only doing it just now, and how now regulators are going to be big mad, somehow. Y'know, even though Jimbo is saying he is only saying this publicly because Phil went public (even though Phil simply responded to CMAs public tweets that were eerily parroting Sony's exact talking points to Brazil, something journalists and lawyers like Hoeg have pointed out and mocked). Or that somehow the legalese of Phil's PR are lies and are now going to be ransacked by regulation, despite everything he's said being carefully worded and vetted by million dollar lawyers.

Still crying about FF on page 23 when they have Starfield, Doom, Elder Scrolls 6, Fallout, Hellblade 2, Outer Worlds 2 and more. You guys would give it all away if you could play fucking Final Fantasy 🤦
It's baffling how certain folk jump through mental hoops to keep spinning this false equivalence narrative in an attempt to defend timed exclusivity (and fully exclusive in perpetuity for many titles).

Microsoft literally owns the IP and developers for all of those titles. While some were already in production (Starfield, which is ironic because Sony almost nabbed that too, and whats stopping them from pulling a FF7R scenario with Bethesda?), some of those IPs next games you mention haven't even been announced yet, and some others (Hellblade 2) have been confirmed to only be have the scope and budget they do because of Microsoft. Either way, irregardless, Microsoft fully own these titles and developers.

Sony, on the other hand, do not own Final Fantasy and have zero contributions to development and publishment. They're paying SE with the sole intention to keep it off of the rival consoles (and in FF16s case, PC release as obsfucated as possible since it's the next big mainline entry).

Imagine some company renting a good portion of a mall with the sole intention being to keep the rival competition away so they gain all the mindshare and marketshare of the area, only to be outraged when the rival competition buys the entire mall and still offers to honor their contracts for 3 years (and let them stay for an additional 3) and willing to renegotiate future terms, instead of kicking them out completely. I've seen way better analogies all over YouTube, but the point is that there is a reason people keep bringing up Final Fantasy. You don't like it being brought up for obvious reasons.

When PS fans ask about those you guys say "it's on PC". Well, FF7 is on PC too so I don't get the complaints.

Don't all of yall have a beefy PC, or did that suddenly change this generation? Where's FF16 on PC? Even Japanese fans are recently asking that question. Funny, FF16 was originally announced for PC, and then any mention of PC was removed from future mentions of the title with it now only being announced for PS5 solely. At least people know that with Bethesda and ABK, all titles are day and date with PC and cloud. To even mention PC unironically makes you look bad.

Its two totally different situations. SONY never had full exclusivity on COD....
Sony never owned or was in the process of owning CoD.

wow timed exclusive, only one month ahead of xbox for some skins or maps.
Year long modes =/= one month DLC. Funny you omit that.

SONY never made the whole game exclusive to its platform.
They easily would if they could, like they've done plenty with plenty of other titles. They just can't because CoD is too big and expensive.

MS can talk all the shit they want, they wont do it either because they would rather make more money by having it on 2 systems because except hardore players and competitors, 50 mil people wont jsut magically jump to xbox because they cant play COD anymore lol.

There's so much blatant ignorance in this statement that it's baffling. One, MS isn't talking shit, this is literally what they offered Jim Ryan. They're literally saying they don't intend to release it on two systems eventually to "make more money." Secondly, and laughably, the hardcore playerbase represent a very small fraction of gamers on a platform. The majority are the casuals who will indeed flock to where the games they want to play are, and that's CoD, Madden, Fifa, NBA2K, etc (all of which are or will be on Game Pass). As if that's not enough, Sony themselves are saying this exact thing in the leaked Brazilian documents. Sony themselves are saying CoD alone has the power to change the system of choice for consumers. If anything, your latter argument goes against everything Sony themselves are saying.
 

KellyM

Member
I didn't know Sony had bought SE.

But I will also say that FF has been very strongly connected with PlayStation since the PS1, and before that with Nintendo. It has never really been an obvious multiplatform series, unlike everything MS is currently buying up.

(I'm still not a fan of Sony buying exclusivity for it though, if that's what's going on. I just don't think it's the same.)
They did buy for exclusives and that is basicly the same thing. The reason people connected SE and Final Fantasy with Sony Gave Square Money when the movie failed. The games are multiplatform in the past. No matter how you spin it. Sony in the past did buy up Tomb Raiders exclusive and that was multi platform started on the Sega Saturn.
 
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Maybe you weren’t alive during the PS1 era, but Crash was bigger than Uncharted 1-3 in their respective eras.

Crash sold 17 million copies on PS1. Uncharted sold 14 million copies on PS3.

Let’s not revise history to try and make it sound like a Sony master stroke where they plucked some unknown studio out of obscurity.

Naughty Dog crash sold ~25 million on the PS1. Including Crash1-3 and Team Racing.

if you include Bash it's over 26 million.

Crash was selling more consoles than Mario was selling N64's and GT's were selling PS1's.

In US alone Crash sold 12 million. I see little evidence of PS3 Uncharted 1-3 and that collection selling that much in the US.


Well, that's one franchise, and Sony didn't even get that IP in the acquisition, they wanted ND because they were a promising studio. MS's main reason for acquiring Bethesda and AB is to get their franchises and take them away from their biggest competitor.

The main reason they wanted ABK is for mobile not to take the franchises away from PlayStation. Buying the whole company wasn't really a choice since Activision wasn't going to only sell off their biggest money maker which wasn't and isn't COD.
 
Currently,...Final Fantasy. In the past it was Tomb Raiders on ps1...ect/
What about Tomb Raider on Xbox One?
https://www.eurogamer.net/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusive-to-xbox-one

Even MS was paying for exclusive games, I don't know why people is acting as if they just recently started to do this just because of Sony is paying for exclusives.
And it's so funny watching others mention "Sony blocking Japanese games on Xbox" when we have had news about Japanese developers just not wanting to make a port for Xbox, not because Sony blocked the game.
 
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