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Realistically when will get to see Naughty Dogs's factions?
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Fbh
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It's going to get a late 2023 date, then get pushed to 2024. That's how gaming releases work now.
Why didn't it have a place?
It was a new IP so there was no pre conceived notion of it being single player only. And both Uncharted 2 and 3 had multiplayer so it wasn't a new thing for Naughty Dog either
Unlike single player games, GaaS thrive on having a bit active community.
It's not unprecedented but in the current market it's going to be interesting to see if a $70 multiplayer only game will find a big lasting audience. Specially if it only launches on Ps5 at first.
Why didn't it have a place?
It was a new IP so there was no pre conceived notion of it being single player only. And both Uncharted 2 and 3 had multiplayer so it wasn't a new thing for Naughty Dog either
But why? …when you can sell it for full price for the next three generations
Unlike single player games, GaaS thrive on having a bit active community.
It's not unprecedented but in the current market it's going to be interesting to see if a $70 multiplayer only game will find a big lasting audience. Specially if it only launches on Ps5 at first.
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yurinka
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I assume Sony will focus their marketing on H2 games and also Q1 2023 ones like PSVR2 and its games. So I think we'll see this game later, maybe in March or Q2 2023. I assume it will be released in H2 2023.
The MP game is apparently the largest ND project ever and will also include narrative story stuff. Seems it isn't the typical MP only, story-free game.
TLOUP1 was pitched by San Diego Sony VASG and at the start they were the lead studio of the project, with ND overviewing and supporting. According to Bloomberg in late 2019 when Hermen got promoted to his current position and saw this project he didn't like it and thought they were spending too much budget on it, so asked Sony VASG to go back to their original/typical support team role and asked ND to become the lead studio to complete its development faster, better and cheaper.
The MP game is apparently the largest ND project ever and will also include narrative story stuff. Seems it isn't the typical MP only, story-free game.
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Sosokrates
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Source please.
cash_longfellow
Member
I guess I should have further explained. I mean it didn’t have a place because I thought it was terrible. I know some folks enjoyed and some didn’t, but that’s more what I meant with that comment.
And you are right, it will be interesting to see how much legs this had for full price and limited to only a certain console.
yurinka
Member
The source is Neil Druckmann the only time they shown and said something about it:
- Success of games like TLOU2 did help them grow to work on more projects at the same time than they ever been
- This was a MP mode that evolved into a standalone game because they wanted to go beyond they at ND ever did before
- "This game is BIG. It's as big as any of our single player games that we have done and in some ways it's bigger"
- "It has a story and we way we are tell this story is very unique to this game"
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aclar00
Member
Show how much i know....thought it was just an old school multiplayer add-on...RIP traditional multiplayer games. So this will likely be part of their GaaS focus they mentioned.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
It'll be ready once Naughty Dog figures out how to make the experience be GAAS with microtransactions and also charge $70.
TheGodfather07
Member
CG trailer? Hasn't this game been in development for years already? It's time to show the actual game.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
This game is a 2024/2025 release isn't it?
abacab driver
Banned
This is hilarious.
They announced the exclusion of Factions from TLOU2 in September 19th, 2019.
The release date for TLOU2 was Feb 2020 (before covid delayed it to June).
So you're telling me that 6 months out from product release during a 6 year development cycle, you "got inspired to go beyond what you've ever done before with Factions?"
It was in development hell, got axed and they rebooted it (which is why Neil said it's been in development for only 2 years at summer games fest instead of all those years it was being worked on for TLOU2)
saintjules
Member
Yeah, I'm thinking Fall 2023. Maybe coincide with the date of the outbreak.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Next year. They said.
Markio128
Member
They haven’t announced one.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
I hope sooner than later. I'm playing TLOU PT1 right now and level design is so restrictive and so, so lame.
I can't wait to see ND's take on an open world game.
I can't wait to see ND's take on an open world game.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Naughty Dog is going to have a **** ton of competition over the next couple of years with Factions.
Thinking day before is gonna release lul. There are more chances of 343i fixing Halo before.
yurinka
Member
He didn't say that 'got inspired'. He said that -as usual, it's super common- there was a part of the game that was getting out of scope, it was getting too big. Typically in game development when this happens what you do it's to axe its scope, remove parts of it until you get something you can ship on time and on budget.
What they decided in TLOU2 was to move the MP part out of the game to become a different and instead of cutting it to expand it to go wild and include there all their ideas, to make a full blown big sized game by itself, not a smaller spinoff like Lost Legacy.
By doing this, their MP could get way bigger, and at the same time by removing the MP they got more time to work on the TLOU2 SP and be able to ship it without a lot of delay.
Nobody said it was rebooted or that it was in development hell. Games evolve and change during development, and big AAA games (this one is supposed to be their biggest one) need time to be developed.
We also have to consider they were also working -at least- on TLOU2, the TLOU1 remake, the Uncharted remasters and the unannounced project where Druckmann is working: maybe that Uncharted game that they started to work with Bend, or who knows if a new IP or TLOU3). I assume that after all these TLOU releases they'll keep the IP rest and before TLOU3 they'll make a new Uncharted and a new IP.
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Mossybrew
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Yeah easily. A standalone mutliplayer game - I think it's going to be harder for them to reach their legendary bar of quality and they will hit roadblocks and problems. Their previous mp efforts have all been lackluster IMO, and never got much scrutiny because they were just a sideshow to the main event. This is gonna be different.
struggler_guts
Member
My biggest fear for factions. The longer it goes the more I fear feature-creep/bloating and dev issues. Especially since we've seen almost nothing
kyliethicc
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FeastYoEyes
Member
I have a hunch that they will have an info blowout sometime early next year. Their first party slate is empty after God of War.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Naughty Dog is going to have a **** ton of competition over the next couple of years with Factions.
More like GL to them
FalsettoVibe
Member
Naughty Dog is going to have a **** ton of competition over the next couple of years with Factions.
lol...pretty sure it's the other way around.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Naughty Dog is going to have a **** ton of competition over the next couple of years with Factions.
. People seem to not understand how hard is to make games. (Specially AAA).It would be a fucking miracle even if ND is able to release a GaaS game without the common issues attached to these kind of games.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Around the time the HBO show launches. Within a month or so of it.
Though, I would not be surprised if we get a tease in January.
Though, I would not be surprised if we get a tease in January.
remember_spinal
Banned
i feel like its gonna be next summer for E3/SGF with a release in the fall
Sony said they want to release 10 GAAS by 2025, if this doesn’t release next year its releasing alongside 8 other multiplayer titles in 2024. Which is unrealistic
Sony said they want to release 10 GAAS by 2025, if this doesn’t release next year its releasing alongside 8 other multiplayer titles in 2024. Which is unrealistic
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FalsettoVibe
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Dream would be for it to release September of next year and Spider-Man 2 in November.
kyliethicc
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I’d be surprised if the game ships before fall 2023.
Probably Q1 2024.
Probably Q1 2024.
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onnextflix5
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Whenever it turns up, hope it bombs, if u want mp gass games, stick with Xbox and mobile, PlayStation and Nintendo need to stay focused on single player games
angrod14
Member
I'm annoyed that they made this multiplayer thing into such a big deal. As fine as the first multi was, TLOU was always conceived as a single player experience heavily reliant on storytelling, first and foremost.
They're milking the IP way too much; this Factions thing, along with the already released remake and the upcoming HBO series, will only delay further the release of Part III. I would not be surprised if it ends up being directly a PS6 early title, as they will most likely shift to a new IP first.
They're milking the IP way too much; this Factions thing, along with the already released remake and the upcoming HBO series, will only delay further the release of Part III. I would not be surprised if it ends up being directly a PS6 early title, as they will most likely shift to a new IP first.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I'll guess mid 2023.
Unless these games all get majorly delayed, you may literally have about 10 PS5 GAAS games on the market within 3 years. And add Bungie games on top of it.
Factions is one piece of their big GAAS strategy. I think they got like 10 GAAS games in development and that excludes whatever games Bungie is working on.
Unless these games all get majorly delayed, you may literally have about 10 PS5 GAAS games on the market within 3 years. And add Bungie games on top of it.
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DaGwaphics
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It will probably release day and date with the next TLoU remake which should line up with season 2 of the show.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
12 GAAS by March 2025.
I wouldn't bet on them hitting the breaks on Live Service in 2026 either.
FalsettoVibe
Member
That's pretty crazy when you think about it. One or two of those games is bound to strike gold.
remember_spinal
Banned
Bungie game will def blow up. Factions i think will be good if its a big in scope as they are saying.
Twisted Metal, eh….. although i am excited to see what they do to modernize it. Haven and Firewalks game is a big question mark even though they got good talent there.
Deviation i feel will be a competent good shooter they got too many big Call of Duty vets on the team. Guerrrillas game will be good since its on Decima.
Then you got helldivers 2, and Insomniacs game which are big maybe’s.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup. Jim Ryan (or one of the other execs) said the same thing. All they need is 1 or 2 to be a big success and that would cover the rest if they fail.
They took a break during the PS4 era but it looks like they are back like the PS3 era where they shotgunned a ton of shooters hoping something sticks. In modern day, it's less risky as games sell more and you got shitloads of mtx that can float the boat. Back then, all you had were $60 games and map packs as revenue.
remember_spinal
Banned
And sonys 1st party development pipeline is a much tighter run ship. They know what they’re good at and only need to apply it to multiplayer. thats why buying Bungie was vital for them, they dont have to stumble out the gate like they did before.
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FalsettoVibe
Member
Yeah....Bungie's game will definitely deliver.
I think Factions will do great as well.
Imagine if Guerrilla is working on Socom and Deviation, something like MAG.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Naughty Dog is going to have a **** ton of competition over the next couple of years with Factions.
ah yeah...much stronger and known IPs for sure, lmao.
It's the other way around.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
IP doesn't matter in multiplayer.
Hawking Radiation
Member
What high production value AAA game is there on the market right now with such visceral close quarters combat mixed with in with survival elements.
What they are bringing to the table is unique and worth checking out first before saying its a waste of time. If you look at the last gen they had PS3 remake of Last Of Us on PS4 before launching their first full next gen title in Uncharted 4.
Looks to be the same this time around.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Come on man.....you got a well known IP, created by a studio of extremely high pedigree who also work for a company who can afford plenty of advertising, against a bunch of unknowns..........I'm hedging my bets for the former.
I know unknown multiplayer games can sometimes be surprise hits but often times they are not.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Halo was/is a pretty big IP. How did that go?
Quality always wins in multiplayer.
IP matters with single player, not multiplayer.
kyliethicc
Member
If the upcoming Call of Duty was released as a new IP it would sell less. Undeniable.
Of course no IP can truly cover up for a game with shit design.
But it’s not a simple binary of IP does/doesn’t matter. More complicated than that.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
TLOU multiplayer has been active for years, so whenever Fractions 2 is released, it's going to have an active user base from the start.