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NPD Sept. 2022: PS5 No. 1 units; PS5 No. 1 revenue; FIFA No. 1; NBA2k3 No. 3; Splatoon No. 4; LoUP1 No. 5
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vivftp
Member
... Do you believe that ANYONE expected a remake to sell on par with a brand new game? Bwahahahaha, that's not how this works.
And you keep going on about what Sony wanted, well how about you tell us what Sony wanted, since obviously you work there and know their intentions.
Wow, your attempts to shit on TLOU Part 1 and TLOU Part 2 are hilarious. I suppose this is what happens when folks live in tiny echo chambers on the internet and choose to ignore reality.
Kokoloko85
Member
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
All those words, yet it still did monumentally better than Halo Infinite and TLOU is significantly better off than Halo as an IP as a whole.
Between Infinite and the Paramount show, the Halo IP is effectively dead to the mainstream. Between TLOU Part 1 Remake and the positive vibes from the HBO show previews, TLOU IP is in a pretty dang good place. And pretending the good scores TLOU Part 2 got were only in fear of getting blacklisted is asinine. By that logic it makes you think how many of Halo Infinite's scores were to not piss off Microsoft or push a narrative...
..but of course you would never consider that possibility
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Gudji
Member
Yeah it damaged the franchise reputation so much that the moment they announce their TLOU online game and TLOU3 people will go fucking wild. lmao
Nautilus
Banned
But I gave an answer to you. Most, if not all charts, indicates that this Remake is not doing as well as the previous entries. Septembers NPD is just the latest one.That's the evidence out there.
I want to know what evidence you have to prove otherwise. If you don't have one, then chill. Or at least try to have a more covil discussion, and not treat me as if I have murdered your child.
tmlDan
Member
Excuse me? im not sure why you're acting out.
I just don't think you're giving a fair comparison when you do not address the other aspects of the games smaller userbase, lack of actual numbers, and only base it off charts from different regions with no actual figures.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
So SONY has become like Apple? Price doesn't matter and keeps selling out even in this current climate.
What In the actual fuck.
When you've spent 25 years essentially dominating the console space in sales, putting out multiple industry-defining 1P games in one way or another, and solidifying your brand among developers, publishers, and customers...
..well that tends to get you a lot of cache and mindshare, and perception of value over certain competitors in various ways. There honestly hasn't been a platform holder as consistently on form as Sony (even if I think there are quite a few things they could improve or be doing better, to my (somewhat selfish) personal tastes FWIW), and the market recognizes that.
This isn't at the chagrin of Nintendo, Microsoft, Sega, NEC etc. btw (obviously they've got some great stuff too, like Nintendo and their 1P IP and handhelds, Sega and their legendary arcade games, etc.), but it just shows how much better Sony has been comparatively at consistently meeting the demands of what the market & industry wants (more or less) during every generation.
Topher
Gold Member
Nautilus
Banned
Me too! But I don't think Sony is okay with this game selling just okay. Companies don't spend hundreds of millions on games, just to "eh, did fine".
But like me and others said, Sony is probably counting on the PC version and the show.
Nautilus
Banned
So "embarassing" that the only reply you can muster is insulting me.
Fucking embarrassing to read garbage hot takes like this.
Perfect represantation of the users that can't take founded criticism
Captain Toad
Banned
Resident Evil 2 sold over 10 million (more than double the original)... Do you believe that ANYONE expected a remake to sell on par with a brand new game? Bwahahahaha, that's not how this works.
And you keep going on about what Sony wanted, well how about you tell us what Sony wanted, since obviously you work there and know their intentions.
Wow, your attempts to shit on TLOU Part 1 and TLOU Part 2 are hilarious. I suppose this is what happens when folks live in tiny echo chambers on the internet and choose to ignore reality.
vivftp
Member
Lol, new games cost a hundred million dollars. A remake that allows Naughty Dogs staff to update their engine and get on the job training with the PS5 does not cost anywhere near that much.
Captain Toad
Banned
You didn't post criticism. You posted false hot takes as if they were facts.
Nautilus
Banned
I never shat(shitted? Whats the past tense of shit?) on TLOU 1. I think that game is a masterpiece. TLOU 2 is the hot piece of garbage. And I simply think a remake of TLOU 1 is utterly unnecessary. And sales are proving that.... Do you believe that ANYONE expected a remake to sell on par with a brand new game? Bwahahahaha, that's not how this works.
And you keep going on about what Sony wanted, well how about you tell us what Sony wanted, since obviously you work there and know their intentions.
Wow, your attempts to shit on TLOU Part 1 and TLOU Part 2 are hilarious. I suppose this is what happens when folks live in tiny echo chambers on the internet and choose to ignore reality.
But most TLOU 2 fans thought this game would sell well. At least until the sales charts started comming in, then the narrative changed to "Nooooo, obviously it was never meant to do that well!Its a remake, after all!". But sure, companies make games, even if remakes that completely overhauls the graphics and gameplay, to do ok lol.
The game did just ok, and there is a PC version and a show comming still. Why is it so difficult to admit that?
Nautilus
Banned
What does Halo have anything about it? Do you think that this is about Sony vs Nintendo vs MS?All those words, yet it still did monumentally better than Halo Infinite and TLOU is significantly better off than Halo as an IP as a whole.
Between Infinite and the Paramount show, the Halo IP is effectively dead to the mainstream. Between TLOU Part 1 Remake and the positive vibes from the HBO show previews, TLOU IP is in a pretty dang good place. And pretending the good scores TLOU Part 2 got were only in fear of getting blacklisted is asinine. By that logic it makes you think how many of Halo Infinite's scores were to not piss off Microsoft or push a narrative...
..but of course you would never consider that possibility
I'm talking about TLOU 1 Remake performance relative to past entries. And its doing considerably worse, even if you factor it being a remake and all that.
John Wick
Member
It's well known Sony can't meet demand with supply constraints. PS5 would be well clear of Series consoles if it wasn't due to that. Just fanboys coming out with that excuse
Nautilus
Banned
Factions is mostly a multiplayer game that will rely on the best part of TLOU 2: The gameplay. And will have nothing to do with the shit part: The narrative and story. So sure, Factions may and probably will be a sucess.
But TLOU 3? I bet it will do even worse than 2. But that's several years away.
Topher
Gold Member
I thought TLOU Part 1 was going to flop. That's what all the experts on this site told me.
Seriously, there are at least two of you on this forum that need to SHUT THE FUCK UP for life when it comes to sales.
Don't deprive me of their meltdowns. Pure entertainment.
Yeah, I thinks going to be 3.3m or around that giving them 12.3m for the two quarters to hit thier target .This seems like a decent quarter for PS5 from the data we do have, last quarter was 2.4m and i think this quarter (July to September) will be over 3m perhaps around 3.2m. Just hope Sony have plenty of stock for the holiday quarter, i'm hoping for 7.5m at least.
Calendar Year Shipments PS5 & PS4
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Imagine this level of passion.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
You have chart placement listings, not actual sales numbers. Yet are claiming "sales are proving that". This is kind of your problem; you can't make that statement without actual numbers. You're making the exact same mistake people who tried saying HFW bombed were doing back in February/March etc., yet it's the 5th-best selling game of the year and that's without counting the (more expensive) bundles.
How do you know most TLOU 2 fans thought this game would sell well? How do you know it's not selling well already, relative to the budget and marketing expenses? The only one making narratives here is you.
You could've simply said that in your original post, but instead you went on a spiel of a rant (of sorts). A rather nonsensical one at that.
Which is why multiple posters have given you flack.
vivftp
Member
That was a re-imagining of an original game, effectively making it a brand new experience. TLOU Part 1 is a straight up remake.
Your attempts to downplay TLOU Part 1's place on charts is how you shat on it. You may want to educate yourself on why Part 1 exists, how it came about and how it benefits Naughty Dog, existing fans of the series, new fans of the series and those looking forward to ND's future games.
There is a massive gulf in sales expectations between a brand new original entry and a remake of a game. Not a single rational person on this Earth ever expected Part 1 to sell on par with the original release of TLOU or TLOU2
Gudji
Member
Nadella gonna buy Sony after seeing that the AB and Bethesda acquizos didn't move the needle as expected.Waiting for uncle Phil to announce his next aquizo after this. Phil be like…
Nautilus
Banned
Yeah, the one bringing up evidence to back up his claims is the one "acting out". lol
The PS5 userbase isn't that small anymore, so it shouldn't influence that much. And while we don't have numbers for some of the regions, the position on the charts compared to other titles does gives us a good idea of that title's performance, as it always did.
remember_spinal
Banned
I see the failed narrative at insinuating HFW was a failure now has to be applied to TLOU Part 1 Remake. The cycle begins anew; same results. Let's just skip to the end credits
It's okay. There always has to be a narrative against at least one Sony 1P AAA game, one has to seemingly fail. Tried it with HFW; failed. Tried it with GT7; mostly failed (the MTX situation is kinda sus in that game TBH). Trying it now on TLOU Part 1 because it's their last chance this year. GOW Ragnarok repels fake narratives simply with its aura.
Any ragnarok slander is an Insta-parry at this point
Nautilus
Banned
Mr Hyde
Member
Your post wasn't criticism. It was a lie you cooked up in that fucked up head of yours, presenting it as facts. You deserve getting called out for shit like that.
Nautilus
Banned
The game took more than 3 years to make it, and I doubt they did that with 50 devs or so(though I would be happy if someone could prove me wrong).
This didn't cost as much as 2, but let's not pretend this breaks even with a million units sold or some such.
Nautilus
Banned
So NPD charts, UK chats, famitsu sales, etc are false hot takes now?
tmlDan
Member
We only know of the 24 million in sales since we last got public numbers, that's not that much.
You're still making up things based on nothing but assumptions and placing on the list. When i said you acted out, it was when you went crazy and said this "Or at least try to have a more covil discussion, and not treat me as if I have murdered your child." idk where you got that last part, that's dramatic.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Oh...if i knew you were one of these people i wouldn't have even engaged on a healthy conversation about the game's sales.
TLOU Reddit would love to have you there posting tbh.
Also...the first game hadn't sold over 10M copies after a year and half
Neil revealed the game surpassed 10M early this year. It's probably around 12M copies right now. The game keeps showing on the charts in multiple countries all the time.Your post is full of inconsistencies.
Meanwhile the IP is so damaged that Sony has its premium studio doing a TLOU remake, a TLOU2 PS5 edition, an online game and also an HBO show in the way.
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El Pistolero
Banned
While costing peanuts to Sony, compared to what their AAA normally require. It will be selling enough for the project to be considered a financial success, no doubt.
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SLB1904
Banned
Monetary this made loads of money. Doubt there was too much hassle to remake this.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Actually pity the likes of you, can’t imagine myself having such sad opinion on one of the greatest games ever made. But maybe you’re just a kid and still have hope left.
Played remake and part II back to back with my wife watching and she liked remake but loved 2, calling it one of the best pieces of media she’s seen in years.
What I mean to say is that even someone who doesn’t play games knows your opinion is dumb.
Nautilus
Banned
Well, we are on a gaming forum, aren't we? Imagine if people were dispassionate about gaming in here.
But yeah, I loved the first game, but 2 sucked so bad, that it made me sore on the whole franchise. So when I critisize the franchise, it comes from a place of love, even if ypu guys won't believe it.
But TLOU 1 Remake "okay" performance is just a fact. The charts are out there proving it. The game still might recover, as there is a PC version out there, and a show to premier. But so far that's the game sales performance.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
See, now this is better, you are speaking on your personal opinion here, rather than resorting to some mythical consensus.
Topher
Gold Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Wait, you married Abby??
Nautilus
Banned
If that were true, how come you can make the opposite conclusion?That the game IS doing well, if charts don't prove anything? And its not just one chart, its multiple charts. Sure that its not raw numbers, but its a solid indicator, as it.... has always been.
And in that sense, if you say I can't make a definitive conclusion out of it, you also can't say the game is doing well. Honestly, that's just a bullsgit argument.
By using... common sense?The game can't have been cheap. Even Sony admits that any project of their costs hundreds of millions of dollars, and a remake that completely overhauls the graphics and gameplay, while cheaper than 2 or Ragnarok, must have been expensive. Being at number 5 in a chart that multiple games don't have digital sales(which nowadays represents at least half of the total sales) are not a great indicator.
Most that are giving me flack are calling me a moron, or at least insinuaring that, without actually articulating why. I'm not particularry worried about such users that can't use logic to defend their viewpoints.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
natural result of what happens when you have a pulse on what the gamers actually fucking want. you never, ever fail.
So many companies fail to realize this shit and its why they end up faltering. they'd get away with the shit sony does on the regular if they made the games and fostered the fanbases that sony has
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Mr Moose
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Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
The cycle for the Switch is starting to fade. Which is predictable since it is close to entering its seventh year. To be honest it is doing better than I would have expected.
Congratulations to Sony. Things are looking up.
Congratulations to Sony. Things are looking up.
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Nautilus
Banned
Tell that to the other users on this forum when I said that this remake wouldn't sell as well as the first or second game.
And I'm not downplaying anything. I'm making conclusions of of oficial data of the most respectable charts on the industry. TLOU 1 remake is doing okay and that's fine, but its not a particulary big success as any company would have liked, even by remake standards.