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[OmegaSupreme]

Again, it's not realistic for them compete in exclusivity deals when the install base is so much in Sony's favor. They would have to pay a sim magnitudes greater than Sony to outbid them, making it unviable. This is why Sony is so desperate to keep their anti-competitive position.

MS can outbid them in everything. You know this. They are choosing not too. They'd rather buy the whole cow than pay for the steak.

 

[Hendrick's]

So far what has been exposed is Microsoft trying to fool regulators over the Bethesda acquisition:

That's not evidence of anything. Where is the proof thy MS ever promised anything of the sort. Again, I expect all these clowns to be exposed in court.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

My favorite part is how people pretend that Sony is some kind of OG in the industry and that Xbox is the newcomer when they entered the market like 7 years apart.

Exactly . They are not the newcomers. It should be a better, slicker operation by now.

All this shit going on and I just want to see new, exciting games.

It should be about the games on you know, as they said, the most powerful console. Not fucking Judge Judy.

 

[SLB1904]

Xbox fans aren’t a monolith. I personally utilize the means that work best for me.

And you are own your right. I wouldn't buy either

 

[kyliethicc]

"Sir Sony is blocking some weeb games from our console. The only way we can compete is by spending $100 billion on publishers"

"Persona 6 is launching exclusively on PlayStation"

...

microsoft - "ok lets buy EA"

 

[Rick Dangerous]

Lol at Microsoft PR statements...
They just lie : no they don’t offer more choices for consumer. They lock out some content for consumer not in their ecosystem.
Hope EU blocks firmly this deal from happening.
And i don’t see how any gamer would celebrate this deal as a good thing...

 

[FoxMcChief]

Also worth noting that this suit is being handled internally in the FTC's court not Federal Court. The FTC has purposefully not seeking a preliminary injunction....which is to say the deal can quite possibly go through and they are suing MS. So more concessions are likely.

Dude, stop. They aren’t listening.

 

[GHG]

Whats the CMAs email address? I'm sending this to them

The CMA are already aware of this, they referenced it in their phase 1 analysis.

 

[graywolf323]

Lies, hypocrisy, and anti-competitive tactics.

oh boy, wait until you learn how Microsoft has operated for nearly 40 years

 

[Topher]

That's not evidence of anything. Where is the proof thy MS ever promised anything of the sort. Again, I expect all these clowns to be exposed in court.

That's part of the evidence of the case they will be presenting.

 

[jshackles]

 

[Hendrick's]

"Sir Sony is blocking some weeb games from our console. The only way we can compete is by spending $100 billion on publishers"

Would agree, if it weren't for the fact that they are hoarding some of the biggest IPs out there. Maybe not COD big, but certainly not weeb games.

 

[Swift_Star]

Source?

You is the source. A bunch of conjecture is not evidence.

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

Almost on que... I present the Jez dumb take...

People like this shouldn’t have access to the internet, If this came out of 10 year olds mouth I could understand, but cmon…. Really?

 

[Hendrick's]

That's part of the evidence of the case they will be presenting.

Get back to me when that exists. Until then, this is all posturing.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

"Persona 6 is launching exclusively on PlayStation"

...

microsoft - "ok lets buy EA"

if sony buys atelier and touhou exclusivity microsoft is going to buy foxconn and nuke the console industry from the source

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Would agree, if it weren't for the fact that they are hoarding some of the biggest IPs out there. Maybe not COD big, but certainly not weeb games.

The most substantial thing they're hoarding is Final Fantasy, which yeah, is a weeb game.

 

[Topher]

Get back to me when that exists. Until then, this is all posturing.

You think the FTC is lying about the evidence they are going to present in a court?

 

[Swift_Star]

The most substantial thing they're hoarding is Final Fantasy, which yeah, is a weeb game.

And they can easily outbid Sony for it, can’t they?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Get back to me when that exists. Until then, this is all posturing.

It does exist and has already been posted in the OT. Microsoft dun goofed.

 

[Hendrick's]

The most substantial thing they're hoarding is Final Fantasy, which yeah, is a weeb game.

I said IP. Spider-Man comes to mind.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

The battle will be fun. Shame that FTC is more braindead than expected.

 

[Swift_Star]

That's not evidence of anything. Where is the proof thy MS ever promised anything of the sort. Again, I expect all these clowns to be exposed in court.

I find it cute that you think you know mlre
Then regulators.
Yeah, I also expect the MS clowns to be exposed in court.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I said IP. Spider-Man comes to mind.

Bruh

You cannot be serious lmao

 

[jm89]

Can't beleve this has to be said over and over again.

 

[Topher]

Get back to me when that exists. Until then, this is all posturing.

Ah....it was posted in OT:

That's from Microsoft's submission to the EU.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

The most substantial thing they're hoarding is Final Fantasy, which yeah, is a weeb game.

which again, is a timed exclusive. fucking final fantasy 7, perhaps the biggest most impactful third party exclusive game ever for the industry, is on xbox now. EVENTUALLY all "excusive" third party games come out on other consoles

meanwhile still no halo on playstation

 

[HTK]

Sony Group Corp is worth 100 Billion USD
Microsoft is worth 1.84 Trillion USD

and you mean to tell me they can't facilitate that ORANIC GROWTH!

Microsoft wants to buy it all up, play the we're the good guy card, and flip the switch on everyone at the right moment. Create the biggest gaming walled garden for better or for worse, and enforce their shit onto everyone.

I like the current setup: Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony along with some strong 3rd party publishers. Everyone should battle it out on the game front, Microsoft could use that money and spin up quite a few studios and start making compelling content and give their users good games/products/features etc...

There are a lot of people on this earth, surely 3 big game companies with a handful of solid 3rd party publishers can co-exist.

 

[Dolomite]

It mentions Starfield and Redfall.

Did MS back out or not?

Again back out of what. Show me a deal MS made with Sony, or a promised concession made with EU regulators regarding Starfield lol. MS would be legally ruined if such a deal existed. They offered assurances(Not to the FTC btw)that titles would remain. The games mentioned have not released hell both delayed.


There's a pattern of emotion drowning logic here. Law separates binding agreements (like 10yra COD on Nintendo l) from assumptions.
If you were to call MS a bad faith actor we could be arguing over something of substance. But to suggest they backed out of deal that didn't exist is wild.

 

[gothmog]

The sad thing here is Microsoft could have remained relatively quiet in response to this and maybe regroup internally. If they did make assurances to EU about ZeniMax then they made a giant mistake because I just can't see them winning if there's documentation to back that up. I would imagine the FTC wasn't making this up. Microsoft probably has to do some soul searching about this. If they really are all about the message they have been trying to put out in the past week they really need to come to terms with offering concessions. Start with promising to publish everything on everything going forward. It might not work but it would be a start.

 

[GHG]

Almost on que... I present the Jez dumb take...

The dumbest of dumb takes.

Remind me again, when did Sony buy God of War? Oh that's right, they built a studio and made it themselves.

I really hope Microsoft continue to quote these clowns (*ahem* "industry commentators" *ahem*) and their tweets in their official documentation to regulators. It's been going great so far.

 

[SLB1904]

Bruh

You cannot be serious lmao

They going to ask on court how Activision let that go lol

 

[Ar¢tos]

Nothing in this article cites mismanagement by sony...

I said before, "in my opinion". That article is very polite towards Sony, doesn't even mention the attrition between Psygnosis and Sony or that they tried to sell them.

I guess having issues with a studio, trying to sell them and being forced to keep them because nobody offered as much as they wanted, then closing down 2 of their locations, changing the studio name and forcing them to make the IPs Sony wants doesn't keep devs motivated to do their best work.

 

[kyliethicc]

The most substantial thing they're hoarding is Final Fantasy, which yeah, is a weeb game.

and even then

day 1

Comprar CRISIS CORE –FINAL FANTASY VII– REUNION | Xbox

CRISIS CORE –FINAL FANTASY VII–, the prequel to FINAL FANTASY VII, has broken the limits of an HD remaster—enhanced graphics, an improved battle system, and fully voiced dialogue make for a dynamic new experience. Witness the evolution of a beloved classic.

www.xbox.com

 

[Mr Moose]

I said IP. Spider-Man comes to mind.

Who is to blame for that?

Xbox Declined Offer To Make Marvel Games, According To Marvel Executive

And now there are two PlayStation-exclusive Spider-Man games with at least one more on the way.

www.gameinformer.com

They get Indiana Jones instead.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Again back out of what. Show me a deal MS made with Sony, or a promised concession made with EU regulators regarding Starfield lol. MS would be legally ruined if such a deal existed. They offered assurances(Not to the FTC btw)that titles would remain. The games mentioned have not released hell both delayed.


There's a pattern of emotion drowning logic here. Law separates binding agreements (like 10yra COD on Nintendo l) from assumptions.
If you were to call MS a bad faith actor we could be arguing over something of substance. But to suggest they backed out of deal that didn't exist is wild.

Microsoft assured the EU that they have no incentives to make Zenimax games exclusive, and 5 months later announced exclusives.

No amount of flip-flopping can take away that L

 

[kyliethicc]

I said IP. Spider-Man comes to mind.

Xbox ‘turned Marvel down’, leading to Spider-Man on PS4, exec reveals | VGC

An interview with a Marvel exec reveals that Microsoft passed on the chance for exclusivity…

www.videogameschronicle.com

 

[graywolf323]

Can't beleve this has to be said over and over again.

this needs to be pinned because yeah that's basically the argument of most of the fanboys on GAF as well

 

[3liteDragon]

I said IP. Spider-Man comes to mind.

Bro, Marvel has control of that IP, not Sony. They simply got a license from them to publish an exclusive with Insomniac, who they acquired AFTER Spider-Man became a big hit. MS can go to Marvel & get their own license to publish their own Spider-Man game, nothing's stopping them. Sony's not hoarding that IP lol.

 

[Swift_Star]

Can't beleve this has to be said over and over again.

So here’s the thing: they know that. But whatever point they have is easily demolished with facts. The only thing they have left is arguing in bad faith.

 

[ZehDon]

You is the source. A bunch of conjecture is not evidence.

Luckily, I'm presenting my opinion, wherein observation informs one's understanding to then express said understanding. My understanding is: the FTC wants to be seen "standing up for what it believes in" as opposed to, you know, following the law that's supposed to inform its actions.

 

[DForce]

Again back out of what. Show me a deal MS made with Sony, or a promised concession made with EU regulators regarding Starfield lol. MS would be legally ruined if such a deal existed. They offered assurances(Not to the FTC btw)that titles would remain. The games mentioned have not released hell both delayed.


There's a pattern of emotion drowning logic here. Law separates binding agreements (like 10yra COD on Nintendo l) from assumptions.
If you were to call MS a bad faith actor we could be arguing over something of substance. But to suggest they backed out of deal that didn't exist is wild.

It literally says MS assured them Starfield would appear on rival consoles. You're telling me that's a lie?

I'm only quoting what it says and you're sitting here ignoring the report.

 

[GHG]

These people cannot be real. I refuse to believe.

 

[Swift_Star]

These people cannot be real. I refuse to believe.

This is literal arguing in bad faith.

 

[AncientOrigin]

Hahah brilliant

 

[gothmog]

Luckily, I'm presenting my opinion, wherein observation informs one's understanding to then express said understanding. My understanding is: the FTC wants to be seen "standing up for what it believes in" as opposed to, you know, following the law that's supposed to inform its actions.

Okay, so in your opinion what specific laws are they not following?

 

[spons]

With the FTC involved, this sounds like a massive waste of tax-payer's money. It's fucking video games, who gives a shit.
Let Sony die if it cannot survive without Call of Duty. I won't shed a tear over this absolute nonsense.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

These people cannot be real. I refuse to believe.

You are honestly surprised? You've posted here long enough to have seen worse takes.

 

[Elios83]

That's not evidence of anything. Where is the proof thy MS ever promised anything of the sort. Again, I expect all these clowns to be exposed in court.

How is it no evidence? Because you don't like it?
Do you think the FTC is lying and they don't have the documentation to back it up?
It's obvious they're not posting it on twitter for you. They will use it in court if needed.
You should probably realize that these huge companies are no saints and if Sony is not your friend certainly a monopolistic company like Microsoft isn't and has a lot to be exposed as well.

 

[Swift_Star]

Luckily, I'm presenting my opinion, wherein observation informs one's understanding to then express said understanding. My understanding is: the FTC wants to be seen "standing up for what it believes in" as opposed to, you know, following the law that's supposed to inform its actions.

So, you agree you have nothing. Good.