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Microsoft really doesnt give a shit about pushing the medium forward. Their approach to winning the gen will reduce the quality of GAMES
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Represent.
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then make a better one. werent you supposed to leave like a month ago lol
hinch7
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Ngl I didn't read most of the thread but the last few quotes are really bad takes lol. Hilarious thread though.TheSwift_Star meltdown was worth it.
Humdinger
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I'm not a fan of MS, but I'm also not following the OP's reasoning. Matt Damon is saying that reduced revenue led to reduced risk-taking in the movie business. Okay, but two things occur to me:
1. Why are you supposing GamePass equates to reduced revenue? If publishers lose money by putting their games on GP, they will simply choose not to put their games there, no? That is different for MS studios, of course -- they have no choice. But every other publisher has a choice, and they will go where the revenue is. If GP is a loser for them, they won't put their games there.
2. The circumstance in gaming is different than in movies. In movies, it is reduced revenue that led to reduced risk-taking (or so says Damon, anyhow). But in gaming, it is not reduced revenue but increased budgets that have led to reduced risk-taking. This trend has been evident for well over a decade. It pre-exists GP. GP isn't the cause. Ballooning game budgets are the cause.
So I just don't see the logic.
1. Why are you supposing GamePass equates to reduced revenue? If publishers lose money by putting their games on GP, they will simply choose not to put their games there, no? That is different for MS studios, of course -- they have no choice. But every other publisher has a choice, and they will go where the revenue is. If GP is a loser for them, they won't put their games there.
2. The circumstance in gaming is different than in movies. In movies, it is reduced revenue that led to reduced risk-taking (or so says Damon, anyhow). But in gaming, it is not reduced revenue but increased budgets that have led to reduced risk-taking. This trend has been evident for well over a decade. It pre-exists GP. GP isn't the cause. Ballooning game budgets are the cause.
So I just don't see the logic.
Swift_Star
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
T4keD0wN
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Yes, youre 100% right OP, in every single point you made. There is no need for further discussion since you explained it so perfectly and we can lock the thread, but i couldnt oversee that you forgot to mention microsoft is behind 9/11, 6/9, 7-Eleven and 4/20. Hail Sony, they are the only glimmer of light while microsoft is sabotaging the medium that they care so much about. Video games will be officially over by the end of this year. This is the end, time to move on and forget about them existing in the first place, this forum will remind you that theyve existed so its best to not come back. On an unrelated note, i heard its bad to mix cocaine and lsd together.
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Mibu no ookami
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That's what it comes down to. It's VERY difficult to have a brand new ground up built studios take over major franchises. It's also a lot of pressure to have a studio have to have a hit GOTY game when they've never done it.
Most of Sony's studios have been around for 10-20+ years and it took them time to hit their strides.
Naughty Dog - 1984
Bend - 1993
Insomniac - 1994
Housemarque - 1995
Suckerpunch - 1997
Polyphony Digital - 1998
Nixxes - 1999
Santa Monica - 1999
Guerrilla - 2000
San Diego - 2001
Bluepoint - 2006
Firesprite - 2012
Media Molecule - 2006
XGS just isn't built for this
Ghost of Caelid
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This is stupid. The reason Xbox fans love what they are doing is because it democratizes gaming. So on one has games are more affordable for the consumer in that they don’t have to spend full price each game. On the other hand it gives indie developers a better system to release their games and garner more player, AA developers constantly praise gamepass cause you get the bag and access to 25+ Million potential gamers. And it allows them to take risk…name the last Sony game that was genuinely a risk? They don’t have games like pentiment from their prominent developers because every game has to be a hit. It leaves little room for the risky games that push the medium forward or creates unique experiences.
bluecowboys
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MSFT got publisher of the year last year and their games scored well overall so far and got game of the year awards too. Sucks that Star field and Redfall got delayed, but delays are inevitable and even happened to Sony with God of war and Horizon Forbidden west.
Here are just some of the MS game's MC score.
Flight simulator - 91
Psychonauts 2 - 89
Forza Horizon 5 - 92
Grounded - 83
Halo Infinite - 87
Gears tactics - 82
Pentiment - 86
Next year MS has Star field, Age of empires, Forza motorsport, and Red Fall coming. Those games will score well on metacritic.
Here are just some of the MS game's MC score.
Flight simulator - 91
Psychonauts 2 - 89
Forza Horizon 5 - 92
Grounded - 83
Halo Infinite - 87
Gears tactics - 82
Pentiment - 86
Next year MS has Star field, Age of empires, Forza motorsport, and Red Fall coming. Those games will score well on metacritic.
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Jaybe
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That’s some real hallway monitor energy you have there. I’ve never read an original thought from you on here beyond trying to silence opinions. Next time when you leave, perhaps just go out quietly.
nowhat
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Holy understatement, Batman! I think Detroit has its moments (especially when things go really south) and it can look very nice (there are weaker sections though), but the main story and all the "good" paths/endings - it's a cheesefest of such epic proportions than even the Swiss would go "no more fondue for me!", with blatantly obvious and unclever allegories that are delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Playing the game for the first time I thought the "Android Pride 2038" rally surely must be the low point for the game, there's no way this can get any worse, right? WRONG. The ending where the androids all start to sing Kumbaya or whatever and suddenly all the humans are like "why can't we just get along?" was so terrible that I still get mad just thinking about it.
To David Cage's credit though, if video games are to be more than just mindless entertainment and evoke genuine emotions, he really succeeded with me. Rage is an emotion too.
MarkMe2525
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Idk, a lot of these "outcomes" feel more like exaggerated hypotheticals. The argument takes the worst case scenario and presents it as the only end game. Such a one sided argument is not very convincing.
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I didn't do all the branches so I didn't see the kumbaya but yeah it's pretty cheesy.
ThatGamingDude
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RoadHazard
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Spider-Man has traversal that Batman could only dream of (not that it's bad there either though). God of War is excellent, both in terms of gameplay and how it joins gameplay and narrative. The single shot camera may seem like a gimmick, but it really keeps you "there" at all times. It's especially cool when control switches from one character to another, completely seamlessly. The way the axe is used in combat is also rather novel I would say.
Maybe you should play games before claiming stuff you don't actually know.
Thebonehead
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50 posts per page peasantry7 pages later..
Muay Ninja
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I don't get the hate for The Last of Us 2. It may have had it's flaws but it easily has some of the best panther stealth gameplay seen in a game since Chaos Theory.
feynoob
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Did you seriously say, that spiderman game is better than batman games? Or is this some language issue?
hyperbertha
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Lets not get carried away. While spiderman game is okay, its not even close to Arkham's perfected gameplay. Not even close. And ragnarok, well if its anything like the first game, its not a marvel of gameplay at all.Let's relax, this is a paid rant.
Jaybe
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I agree with some of this but MS has recognized their pre-2018 limits on development talent and massive IPs, and are combating that gap via acquisitions using the one resource they have better than other, access to cash on hand.
On a whole, AAA third-part has probably been the biggest disappointment. EA and Take2, being the worst for innovation, then the lesser publishers are releasing Gotham Knights and Saints Row.
Regarding Game Pass, it’s the fourth subscription service. EA Play, PS Now, and Humble Bundle pre-date it. MS has just done the best job. While we wait for their first party to deliver, MS are funding and curating innovative AA games live it internally or externally developed.
You are too hard on Series S. It is moving up CPU and NVMe drives as base requirements and allowing more units of next gen to be in the hands of gamers.
First part studio management seems to be a big weakness, so hopefully some of this external talent can get broader responsibility.
Truthfully though, I do think the studio acquisitions are a necessity that if MS wasn’t 3rd they wouldn’t engage in. They would be more than content winning with subscriptions and their platform cut but they lost the 360’s advantage.
Some of these positions of these companies stem from their corporate background and how they make money
MS: business software and servers, licenses
Sony: consumer electronics, entertainment
Nintendo: gaming from inception
On a whole, AAA third-part has probably been the biggest disappointment. EA and Take2, being the worst for innovation, then the lesser publishers are releasing Gotham Knights and Saints Row.
Regarding Game Pass, it’s the fourth subscription service. EA Play, PS Now, and Humble Bundle pre-date it. MS has just done the best job. While we wait for their first party to deliver, MS are funding and curating innovative AA games live it internally or externally developed.
You are too hard on Series S. It is moving up CPU and NVMe drives as base requirements and allowing more units of next gen to be in the hands of gamers.
First part studio management seems to be a big weakness, so hopefully some of this external talent can get broader responsibility.
Truthfully though, I do think the studio acquisitions are a necessity that if MS wasn’t 3rd they wouldn’t engage in. They would be more than content winning with subscriptions and their platform cut but they lost the 360’s advantage.
Some of these positions of these companies stem from their corporate background and how they make money
MS: business software and servers, licenses
Sony: consumer electronics, entertainment
Nintendo: gaming from inception
Laptop1991
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One of the main reason's for me is MS don't need Xbox to be successful, they make most of their money from Office software and their control of the desktop space etc, where as their competitor's need their games to do well to make money, it's like a side show to MS, they should take gaming a lot more serious imo, especially as PC gaming is tied to them more now than it's ever been.
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Ghost of Caelid
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People hate that their gruff daddy died, there’s a trans character and Abby has muscles. It’s objectively better than the first.
hyperbertha
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Most VR games have the gameplay depth of virtua cop. You serious with this?
Mibu no ookami
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What do you call Returnal?
hyperbertha
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Here is where last of us innovated. Every level played so different. Even if the underlying stealth was the same, it twisted it in ways that you just didn't know what to expect.
SuperBabyMethod
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DenchDeckard
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I love physical and never want it to leave.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah it doesnt make sense Matt Damon is talking about streaming services cannibalizing DVD sales. Gamepass has opened up an equivalent market for games, not closed one off. Microsofts woes with getting games out of their studios has nothing to do with gamepass.
HoofHearted
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They are???It seems argentina is gonna win the world cup
feynoob
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It was roller coaster.They are???
NeverYouMind
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I like their turnaround on backwards compatability and hope that they embrace it more coming forward. As far as new releases outside of Elden Ring on the AAA circuit in the last half a decade are concerned, I find them dull. Indies and AA studios are the movers and shakers.
That is no longer true since Part 1 remaster came out.
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HoofHearted
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Apparently so - I had flipped away from the game for a few minutes when they were 2-0 - just came back and ... WTF?
I'm just waiting for the tiebreaker shootouts where we get to watch the players cover their balls in attempt to block the shots...
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
Part 1 has better pacing part 2 has a better story imo.
Rudius
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After I could ride a horse in Skyrim seeing myself as if upon it, holding the controller as if holding the reins, grabbing my bow and shooting arrows on a running deer as in real life, from horseback, in movement, yes.
hyperbertha
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So, no gameplay innovations, and just an immersion improvement. Well, that's true, VR is immersive. But how long can you take locomotion in VR without motion sickness?
NeverYouMind
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Like 1982's First Blood, the story does not need a sequel and the sequel is worse off as an extension.
StreetsofBeige
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Hmmm.... I'm positive I thought MS was publisher of the year last year with the highest rated avg game score for a publisher in the history of MC. It beat out the second place company (I think Sony?) by 7 pts.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Pretty dubious result, at best it was a win by technicality, at worst wholly undeserved.
Captain Toad
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OP might sound mad, but he's pretty much right.
Rudius
Member
It takes just a few days to completely eliminate motion sickness. Just start with games having less movement. I play VR with full locomotion for hours at a time with no problems at all.
As for gameplay innovations, I can cite a native VR game as an exemple. In Saints and Sinners you can open a draw, grab the ammo inside, load the bullets on a revolver or shotgun, aim it and shoot as in real life. You can hold the head of a zombie and stab it, or shoot a gun on your own head and kill yourself. Compare that to moving a joystick or mouse on a screen and pressing a button.
With PSVR2, on top of those interactions, we will have gaze input with the eye-tracking technology. Imagine shooting lasers from your eyes as Superman...
mistuhcahlos
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DUDE! Say what you will about Microsoft and TLOU2. First Blood part 2 was exactly what America needed.
RCU005
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This comment makes no sense and it's ignorant in so many ways!
StreetsofBeige
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MS is also the only console maker that actually pushes for games on more devices. Always a PC supporter, GP on different devices, cloud, even Samsung TVs. Heck, even some of their PC centric games like Age of Empires is getting a console port. And currently not one game (newly released or legacy game) has been discontinued on competing consoles. Still there to buy.
You dont even have to buy an Xbox to play their games. Just hum along playing tons of first party games (and day one) or GP on PC.
Cant say the same for Sony an Nintendo.
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HoofHearted
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Covered ball shots inbound!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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