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Microsoft really doesnt give a shit about pushing the medium forward. Their approach to winning the gen will reduce the quality of GAMES

Is Matt Damon right?


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RCU005

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You are too hard on Series S. It is moving up CPU and NVMe drives as base requirements and allowing more units of next gen to be in the hands of gamers.

Series S is screwing everyone. There's a reason there are not many games that come to the Switch. Developers and gamers want innovation and improvement. If PS5 and Series X are 50 steps above PS4/One, why would we need to settle for just 10 steps due to Series S?
 

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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You folks really need to come up with better arguments than "duh.....Sony too many cinematic games......."
It literally makes no sense.

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StreetsofBeige

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If anything Sony is doing more damage to the medium with how much it pushed the cinematic linear approach through the past decade.
Fair point.

Compare all the types of games and genres they made during the PS1 to PS3 era. They made just about everything. I think the only genre they never really focused on was fighting games with the PS All Stars being the only game (unless I forget what other ones they did).

At one time, Sony used to make shooters, lots more sports games, more kinds of racing games aside from GT, JRPGs, and a lot more smaller scale games.
 
Fair point.

Compare all the types of games and genres they made during the PS1 to PS3 era. They made just about everything. I think the only genre they never really focused on was fighting games with the PS All Stars being the only game (unless I forget what other ones they did).

At one time, Sony used to make shooters, lots more sports games, more kinds of racing games aside from GT, JRPGs, and a lot more smaller scale games.
They could afford to back then when games were cheaper to make. But nowadays that isn’t the case.
 

ProtoByte

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Oh, I thought we were doing this year. Sure, I can go a decade back in time too, but I figured that would be irrelevant to the topic which is about right now.
Not a single one of those games was a decade ago. But if we're talking about "right now" I'm afraid any discussion about the variety of games Microsoft's provided is moot, because they've provided no games at all.

Okay, they released Pentiment. One. But I notice that no one talks about it. At all.
 
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I mean, I read the article… how does it relate to video games and GamePass, exactly? Ignoring the major flaw of comparing a model like Netflix, which relies entirely on subs, to GamePass which is completely optional… last I checked MS hasn’t been trying to make 50 games a year?

Which is it, does MS not make enough games, or are they pooping out quantity over quality? You guys need to make up your minds.
 

Kimahri

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Not a single one of those games was a decade ago. But if we're talking about "right now" I'm afraid any discussion about the variety of games Microsoft's provided is moot, because they've provided no games at all.

Okay, they released Pentiment. One. But I notice that no one talks about it. At all.

I'm sorry, I thought it'd be clear that when I said go back a decade, I meant picking games from within that decade. My bad.

The rest of your mumblings is just not worth engaging with. It's easy to find out just how many games MS has "provided".
 

OsirisBlack

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Nope Batman exceeds Spider Man in every way, including being 1st to market.

It's fine to be biased, but don't be delusional.

I've seen too many complaints about Ragnarok for it to be perfection (but I havent played it so I can't personally say)

You still didn't tell me what either of them brought to the table that no other game has done though. Which is what I really want to address.
You’re really saying God of War R and Spider-Man don't have good combat? I might have conceded something from naughty dog like tlou p1 being more movie than fame but not the two you picked. Ooof bad take.
 

Kagey K

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You’re really saying God of War R and Spider-Man don't have good combat? I might have conceded something from naughty dog like tlou p1 being more movie than fame but not the two you picked. Ooof bad take.
That's not what I said, try rereading it.
 
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Cool link, but where did MS claim Halo was a commercial failure? Not some insider citing unnamed sources.

You really think they're going to come out and directly say it's a bomb?

We can see what has happened to the studio since its release and see that it wasn't a success.

I mean, I HOPE the opposite happens, that it lights a fire under their ass to get it right. But the GamePass model incentivizes quantity over quality.
 
You really think they're going to come out and directly say it's a bomb?

We can see what has happened to the studio since its release and see that it wasn't a success.

I mean, I HOPE the opposite happens, that it lights a fire under their ass to get it right. But the GamePass model incentivizes quantity over quality.

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You’re the one who claimed Microsoft did just that.

It’s been years and we’re yet to see this quantity over quality nonsense. Maybe one day you warriors and your crystal balls will be right.
 

fallingdove

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Games like Psychonauts 2 and Pentiment are doing more to push the medium forward then anything Sony first party has released since The Last Guardian in 2016. It is because of GamePass that a game like Pentiment can get greenlight for a major first party studio to create with one of their top talents heading the project, so your argument falls flat on it's face.
I really don’t think any of the big 3 are driving the industry forward. For a moment Sony looked like they were going to do something with PSVR but outside of Astrobot, I haven’t been super impressed with the offering.

Psychonauts 2 was great but it didn’t do anything that hadn’t been done before. Not to mention, Microsoft has next to no responsibility for the title given the title was quite far into development when the studio was purchased and was built upon an established series.

Pentiment might have been unique but it bored me to tears. I also don’t buy this whole - “it’s because of GamePass that it was green lit” nonsense. Microsoft had nothing to offer this year in terms of first party games so they gave one of their 30 studios permission to make the indiest of indie titles as a stop gap.
 
“We’ve seen it in clear abundance…. uh except for those times when it wasn’t true!!!”

I must have missed the quantity part of the GamePass strategy. When did that happen?

We've seen it for years except the 1 year where it was an okay year, and certain cases where they literally posted a Zero like 2022
 
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akimbo009

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We've seen it for years except the 1 year where it was an okay year, and certain cases where they literally posted a Zero like 2022

I played Pentiment on Gamepass. I think it's pretty high quality and won some awards too.


This whole discussion is stupid, but to imply that games are going to get worse cause "subscription" or whatever is stupid. There's no evidence for it, and counter evidence that says otherwise.
 
Seeing that damn Series S ad just now just ... lol

They tried the "release good games, sell consoles" approach Sony and Nintendo have been successful at for years, and it didn't win them the gen. So what did they do? They switched their entire focus to "services" and "value". Not games. Services.

They don't give a damn about advancing the medium we love. That ship seems to have sailed. It does not seem important to them anymore.

Poor studio management, entire calendar years without first party releases. Not investing in new IP, same promises every year, telling us to wait.

They make stupid fucking decisions:
  • Money hatting The Mid instead Silent Hill 2 (same devs).
  • Turning down Spider-Man as an exclusive on their platform.
  • Spending 100 million dollars on 1 year of Tomb Raider exclusivity. Sony bought Insomniac for 200 million. Be smarter.
They show up to a gameshow with 103 million viewers with a Gamepass Ad. Not a single update on a single game. Some of these games were announced in 2019.

They push the Series S (an underpowered budget console that, despite whatever Kool-Aid some Indie Studio head tells you to drink, will be responsible for limiting the potential of multiplat games for an entire generation) more than the Series X.

Phil's strategy is to literally buy out publishers, then put their most popular games on every. single. platform. From literal goddamn TV apps, to mobile, to weak machines like the Nintendo Switch.

If it was up to MS, they would buy Take 2, then require all GTA games to release on the Switch moving forward- Scaled down and downgraded to hell. Ambition and fidelity across all platforms would have to be limited. But hey, it sells, and gives gamers "options". Who fucking cares. Make a mindblowing product and sell it to its target audience. If you need to reach a more casual, younger audience... then invest in NEW IP.

Alright, Gamepass.

I'm not even going to mention much about this abomination. I'm going to let Matt Damon do the talking. Watch this clip.

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Theres a cost for everything. You have to be blind or naive to not see the parallels between what is happening in Hollywood and what will happen with Gamepass.

Just replace those DVD's with games (and people no longer buying them because of Gamepass) and replace those types of movies he's referring to with: Quality AAA titles, new AAA IP, experimental AAA titles, etc. If the "Netflix of Games" becomes a reality, then studios will NOT see the need to, or be brave enough to green light certain games. Point blank. You are already seeing gamers complain about paying $70 for games. It will get worse as the gamepass model contiunes to grow. You can kiss your Hollywood Blockbuster AAA style games goodbye.

It seems Microsoft, especially as of late, has switched their focus entirely. What was once "make great games, sell them, invest in new IP to reach new audiences" approach is now a "make every single game playable everywhere, for free, regardless of quality."

This approach will hold the medium back. It will stagnant creativity, growth. Tech won't stop advancing, but NO ONE will be utilizing said tech to its full potential. Advancements in games will be hard to notice, devs will have to scale back their visions - All to make kids, casual gamers who keep FIFA, Madden and COD #1 for all of eternity happy while you and I play second fiddle and get fed sloppy seconds.

Phil needs to go.
I don’t even know where to begin with this, but… No. you are literally wrong across the board and most of what you say doesn’t even make sense. Just, no. Lol
 
I played Pentiment on Gamepass. I think it's pretty high quality and won some awards too.

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This whole discussion is stupid, but to imply that games are going to get worse cause "subscription" or whatever is stupid. There's no evidence for it, and counter evidence that says otherwise.
Right! Pentiment literally was made thanks to the existence of Game Pass.
 
I got warned for trolling and my post deleted for saying most of playstations games in 2023 are also on xbox yet this thread still exists?
I feel like if the thread was "playstation isn't doing anything to push the medium forward" it would be removed instantly. With a warning for console warring. This post doesn't make valid points, I think you can criticize a companies approach. Sonys model requires them to play it safe to hit their ever growing numbers so we've been getting the same games for their major third party with different IPs since the mid 2010s. Xbox was faltering until like 2020 but if you prefer smaller and AA games then Xbox will have more content for you.
 
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Ozriel

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I'm sure I'm as old as you or older...

As someone who bought Maximum Carnage and Separation Anxiety, I'm very aware of Spider-Man and how popular or not popular he was in video gaming.

Bloody hell, those are 90s era SNES games. How are you this old and still posting console warring stuff here?


Apples to oranges comparison. Netflix is exclusively streaming.
Every Xbox game is sold at retail in shops and on Steam.
 
Bloody hell, those are 90s era SNES games. How are you this old and still posting console warring stuff here?



Apples to oranges comparison. Netflix is exclusively streaming.
Every Xbox game is sold at retail in shops and on Steam.

I'm not looking to console war, I'm just calling it how I see it.

How anyone can defend Microsoft's lineup this year is beyond me. I didn't love Sony's lineup and it was by far and away much better than Microsoft's.

They really didn't release anything this year and have little to nothing announced for the first half of the year.
 
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