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[Bumblebeetuna]

If I get barely a passing grade for my freshman year through junior year but manage to get a B average as a Senior, that means my whole high school tenure was pretty successful according to your logic

Cute

Except you aren’t claiming MS barely got a “passing grade” for the last five years, you’re claiming they have emphasized quantity over quality ever since GamePass launched*.

* - except 2021, when they had a slew of quality games

* - except 2022, when they delayed games to 2023 and didn’t launch many games

Yet I can’t think of any batches of quantity filler content in 2018 or 2019 or 2020 either. Are you just talking out of your ass again, like when you thought Brad Sams was a MS employee?

 

[Clear]

No just the hard truth.

Take Flight Sim out because it manged to get ranked for both 2020 and 2021, thanks to its 1 year delay to roll-out on the consoles. Pretty comical really as most of the heavy lifting for the title was done with cloud-based photogrammetry. And besides, since when do PC and console games get counted twice?

Like I said, a technicality.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Except you aren’t claiming MS barely got a “passing grade” for the last five years, you’re claiming they have emphasized quantity over quality ever since GamePass launched*.

* - except 2021, when they had a slew of quality games

* - except 2022, when they delayed games to 2023 and didn’t launch many games

Yet I can’t think of any batches of quantity filler content in 2018 or 2019 or 2020 either. Are you just talking out of your ass again, like when you thought Brad Sams was a MS employee?

Pretty much all of the years of GamePass have not been exciting when it comes to genuine, top tier AAA content with the exception of maybe 2021.

The service pads out tons of mid tier content that I'd never play myself. If you LIKE services like this, more power to you. But I'd rather pay full price for genuine AAA titles if it meant they would come out more frequently than the currently lackluster GamePass model.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Pretty much all of the years of GamePass have not been exciting when it comes to genuine, top tier AAA content with the exception of maybe 2021.

The service pads out tons of mid tier content that I'd never play myself. If you LIKE services like this, more power to you. But I'd rather pay full price for genuine AAA titles if it meant they would come out more frequently than the currently lackluster GamePass model.

So out of your ass, as I thought. With a mix of goalpost shifting as well, cute.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Pretty dubious result, at best it was a win by technicality, at worst wholly undeserved.

Go ahead and take out FS if it makes you feel better. That game got rated about 90% on MC. MC's overall score for MS games was I think 87.

Ok, then MS's score just dropped to around 86.5%. Still way higher than other publishers. I think the closest one was around 80 or 81%.

You're smarter than that when it comes to numbers. So dont play numbers math on this board. It'll make you look like a jackass.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So out of your ass, as I thought. With a mix of goalpost shifting as well, cute.

Nothing out of my ass. It's my opinion. You are free to think otherwise and believe GamePass has been nothing but a utopia of rainbows and unicorns AAA gaming content gifted to the xbox community by the hands of Aaron Greenberg himself if you so choose to believe.

 

[akimbo009]

A niche indie game saves the day and means GP has a terrific 2022?

Nobody is claiming there isn't ANY good content on GP

XGS is an indie publisher now? Things we learn in this thread is astounding.

 

[Ozriel]

I'm not looking to console war, I'm just calling it how I see it.

How anyone can defend Microsoft's lineup this year is beyond me. I didn't love Sony's lineup and it was by far and away much better than Microsoft's.

If only Your posts were restricted to talking about MS lack of AAA titles in 2022.
Sony had by far the better AAA lineup, but that’s nothing to do with your rant downplaying everything Xbox.

and have little to nothing announced for the first half of the year.

If by ‘first half of the year’ you mean H1 2023, they have three AAA titles announced for that timeframe.

 

[adamsapple]

I played Pentiment on Gamepass. I think it's pretty high quality and won some awards too.

As of this post, Pentiment has won more GoTY awards from eligible websites than Horizon FW.

No just the hard truth.

Take Flight Sim out because it manged to get ranked for both 2020 and 2021, thanks to its 1 year delay to roll-out on the consoles. Pretty comical really as most of the heavy lifting for the title was done with cloud-based photogrammetry. And besides, since when do PC and console games get counted twice?

Like I said, a technicality.

Sony's average MC rating was 81.3

Ghost of Tsushima DC and Death Stranding DC both scored higher than that, and were included in their MC ranking as well. You take those two out and their rating drops further and MS still wins over them. Those were also, needless to say, re-releases and should not have been counted twice by your logic.

I know you like hating on MS and all, but at least look around the periphery a little bit before commenting.

Peace

 

[Clear]

Go ahead and take out FS if it makes you feel better. That game got rated about 90% on MC. MC's overall score for MS games was I think 87.

Ok, then MS's score just dropped to around 86.5%. Still way higher than other publishers. I think the closest one was around 80 or 81%.

You're smarter than that when it comes to numbers. So dont play numbers math on this board. It'll make you look like a jackass.

From the Metacritic page related to MS getting #1 for the year (and btw the previous year's winner was Sega, which should give a strong indication of how seriously to take the award!):

Our runaway winner of this year's Publisher of the Year honors, Microsoft certainly published fewer titles in 2021 than it does in a typical year. But what games it did publish were uniformly excellent, making Microsoft the only publisher with a 100% success rate. Three different titles scored 90 or higher (also tops among all publishers): the latest Forza Horizon racer, a sequel to Psychonauts, and the Xbox Series X version of Microsoft Flight Simulator. (Their successes almost make Halo Infinite seem like a disappointment with a mere 87.) Can Microsoft maintain its quality control once Activision Blizzard is welcomed into the fold? Stay tuned.

So, from 3 90+ scorers, there was really only 2, thinning out an already lean field.

You want to call it a "win", go right ahead. Add on this year's Clio award if you like.

But, if you honestly believe they are doing a good job... Yikes.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

As of this post, Pentiment has won more GoTY awards from eligible websites than Horizon FW.

Since you're fond of metacritic

https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-series-x/pentiment

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-5/horizon-forbidden-west

 

[adamsapple]

Since you're fond of metacritic

https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-series-x/pentiment

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-5/horizon-forbidden-west

When did I say I was fond of MC ? Message that to your friend there trying to use it to prove a failing point

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

When did I say I was fond of MC ? Message that to your friend there trying to use it to prove a failing point

You're using it to construct narratives of "publishers of the year" on the basis of average metacritic scores

 

[adamsapple]

You're using it to construct narratives of "publishers of the year" on the basis of average metacritic scores

Are you sure about that ?

Correcting someones mistake is not fondness BTW

 

[StreetsofBeige]

From the Metacritic page related to MS getting #1 for the year (and btw the previous year's winner was Sega, which should give a strong indication of how seriously to take the award!):



So, from 3 90+ scorers, there was really only 2, thinning out an already lean field.

You want to call it a "win", go right ahead. Add on this year's Clio award if you like.

But, if you honestly believe they are doing a good job... Yikes.

Relax. It's a new year and a new company will be crowned.

I'm a bigger Xbox fan than you, yet who the hell would track for list wars whether to include or exclude Flight Simulator due to it being on PC and Xbox in different years. I didn't even care to remember that. Somehow you did for ratings math.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Are you sure about that ?

Correcting someones mistake is not fondness BTW

The whole best publisher of 2021 is based on a flimsy house of cards. It was a good year for Xbox. But there are plenty of publishers you could argue were better.

When you have to rely on a Flight Sim to push a narrative of best gaming lineup/publisher in a year you are really stretching. Xbox fans were looking for any good news they could get and started posting that narrative. It looks extremely foolish now in 2022

 

[adamsapple]

The whole best publisher of 2021 is based on a flimsy house of cards. It was a good year for Xbox. But there are plenty of publishers you could argue were better.

When you have to rely on a Flight Sim to push a narrative of best gaming lineup/publisher in a year you are really stretching. Xbox fans were looking for any good news they could get and started posting that narrative. It looks extremely foolish now in 2022

I assure you and can say with some confidence that MC is not run by Gaffers, so its up to them how they make their rankings. Not us.

If the issue is counting re-releases, then I already pointed out how higher than average metascore re-releases were counted for other publishers as well.

It's not a conspiracy and MC didn't *only* do that for Microsoft to force them to be #1.

Relax y'all.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I assure you and can say with some confidence that MC is not run by Gaffers, so its up to them how they make their rankings. Not us.

If the issue is counting re-releases, then I already pointed out how higher than average metascore re-releases were counted for other publishers as well.

It's not a conspiracy and MC didn't *only* do that for Microsoft to force them to be #1.

Relax y'all.

MC isn't run by Gaffers, but using an average skews the results because not all games are equal. If you have a lot of minor titles that score decently, it can skew up your average significantly despite those games not being very impactful.

Xbox fans were really desperate to spin any sort of positive news, and that's when you have to invent awards like that. I'd never even heard of that award until it was pushed by that community, so clearly a pretty big agenda in number fudging.

Just be content with having a good year.

 

[akimbo009]

You're using it to construct narratives of "publishers of the year" on the basis of average metacritic scores

You're just arguing that you don't like one set of games versus others.

Does MS need to launch more games, and more consistently great. Yes. Does them having GP cause them to be less likely to do that? There is no evidence of that, and there are several examples where they have benefited from the experimental model that it affords.

Do we now suddenly think Starfield is gonna suck cause it exclusive and on GP? There is only counter narratives here.

 

[Clear]

Ghost of Tsushima DC and Death Stranding DC both scored higher than that, and were included in their MC ranking as well. You take those two out and their rating drops further and MS still wins over them. Those were also, needless to say, re-releases and should not have been counted twice by your logic.

Expanded reissues are at least arguably different offerings than a delayed port of the exact same (not actually a) game. Which not unreasonably could be expected to release day-and-date

 

[brian0057]

 

[adamsapple]

Expanded reissues are at least arguably different offerings than a delayed port of the exact same (not actually a) game. Which not unreasonably could be expected to release day-and-date

Flight Sim has been continuously adding in new content over an ongoing period since launch.

Xbox fans were really desperate to spin any sort of positive news, and that's when you have to invent awards like that. I'd never even heard of that award until it was pushed by that community, so clearly a pretty big agenda in number fudging.

Holy mother of over-exaggeration Batman. "Xbox fans" did not "invent" anything.

It's a ranking list published by Metacritic.

The amount of cache to give to it, or the amount of salt to derive from it, is entirely up to the viewer/reader.

Aye yae yae you guys ..

 

[StreetsofBeige]

MC isn't run by Gaffers, but using an average skews the results because not all games are equal. If you have a lot of minor titles that score decently, it can skew up your average significantly despite those games not being very impactful.

Xbox fans were really desperate to spin any sort of positive news, and that's when you have to invent awards like that. I'd never even heard of that award until it was pushed by that community, so clearly a pretty big agenda in number fudging.

Just be content with having a good year.

And a bunch of bad indie games can also skew down an average too.

If a publisher has a bunch of lousy niche games bringing down the average, there's no way in hell you are the type of guy who will say "oh wait gaffers, let's exclude those bad indie and niche games and focus on the full budget games and readjust the score"

Only reason why you are sore is because MS won that year with good games. If MS got a bad score because let's say Psychonauts 2 got a 50/100 score dragging down the avg 10 pts, you'd love it.

So let's not pretend here you have no bias when ratings go one way or another.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

And a bunch of bad indie games can also skew down an average too.

If a publisher has a bunch of lousy niche games bringing down the average, there's no way in hell you are the type of guy who will say "oh wait gaffers, let's exclude those bad indie and niche games and focus on the full budget games and readjust the score"

Only reason why you are sore is because MS won that year with good games. If MS got a bad score because let's say Psychonauts 2 got a 50/100 score dragging down the avg 10 pts, you'd love it.

So let's not pretend here you have no bias when ratings go one way or another.

Right. So we are in agreement that using an average metacritic to crown somebody "Publisher of the Year" isn't probably the best metric to use.

I am not sore that someone would think MS won that year or considered them to be the Publisher of the Year, but it's not some official thing and there were plenty of great publishers that year. But now it's supposedly the one victory token the Xbox fanbase has used to justify multiple years of subpar output.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Right. So we are in agreement that using an average metacritic to crown somebody "Publisher of the Year" isn't probably the best metric to use.

I am not sore that someone would think MS won that year or considered them to be the Publisher of the Year, but it's not some official thing and there were plenty of great publishers that year. But now it's supposedly the one victory token the Xbox fanbase has used to justify multiple years of subpar output.

When did I say it isn't?

Seems fair to me. Whereas you and Clear are trying to readjust MC's publisher of the year to your own math and including/excluding games based on your methodology, I'm fine leaving it as is. Whomever wins is the winner.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

And a bunch of bad indie games can also skew down an average too.

If a publisher has a bunch of lousy niche games bringing down the average, there's no way in hell you are the type of guy who will say "oh wait gaffers, let's exclude those bad indie and niche games and focus on the full budget games and readjust the score"

Only reason why you are sore is because MS won that year with good games. If MS got a bad score because let's say Psychonauts 2 got a 50/100 score dragging down the avg 10 pts, you'd love it.

So let's not pretend here you have no bias when ratings go one way or another.

That is literally it.

 

[Clear]

When did I say it isn't?

Seems fair to me. Whereas you and Clear are trying to readjust MC's publisher of the year to your own math and including/excluding games based on your methodology, I'm fine leaving it as is. Whomever wins is the winner.

I couldn't care less about the "math". You can jig the criteria whichever way you like to get any desired result, but the reality remains the same. MS slate for 2021 wasn't the best ever annual performance by a publisher regardless of what Metacritic's numbers say. It was lacklustre. Most of the good stuff was started out when the original publisher was an independent entity leaving MS with the burden of merely of not dropping the ball in the run-up to release on someone else's platform.

My disagreement is based on the obvious observable reality that it was simply undeserved. It wasn't even a particularly great year for Xbox history.

 

[nocsi]

People are very passionate about a company that's in last place

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I couldn't care less about the "math". You can jig the criteria whichever way you like to get any desired result, but the reality remains the same. MS slate for 2021 wasn't the best ever annual performance by a publisher regardless of what Metacritic's numbers say. It was lacklustre. Most of the good stuff was started out when the original publisher was an independent entity leaving MS with the burden of merely of not dropping the ball in the run-up to release on someone else's platform.

My disagreement is based on the obvious observable reality that it was simply undeserved. It wasn't even a particularly great year for Xbox history.

So now another one of your caveats is a game score shouldn't count in a publisher's score if the game was first being made when it was originally third party.

If you feel so passionate about MC adjusting their publisher score to take into account all your nuances, why are you tell us? Tell MC.

 

[pasterpl]

Pretty much all of the years of GamePass have not been exciting when it comes to genuine, top tier AAA content with the exception of maybe 2021.

The service pads out tons of mid tier content that I'd never play myself. If you LIKE services like this, more power to you. But I'd rather pay full price for genuine AAA titles if it meant they would come out more frequently than the currently lackluster GamePass model.

We have got another, we already have couple users on this forum, that claim that they play nothing except big AAA (your explanation to shit on gamepass)- you cannot/shouldn’t call yourself a gamer playing 3-4 games a year, your console might be collecting lots of dust before these releases. That’s sad. if your limited taste stops you from playing some amazing games, but hey power to you.

 

[poppabk]

People are very passionate about a company that's in last place

What can I say I love a good underdog story.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So now another one of your caveats is a game score shouldn't count in a publisher's score if the game was first being made when it was originally third party.

If you feel so passionate about MC adjusting their publisher score to take into account all your nuances, why are you tell us? Tell MC.

What if I told you that 2020's Publiser of the Year was.....Sega? And the runner up was Annapurna Interactive.

So yeah, that tells you all you need to know about how accurate/noteworthy this "award" is.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

What if I told you that 2020's Publiser of the Year was.....Sega? And the runner up was Annapurna Interactive.

So yeah, that tells you all you need to know about how accurate/noteworthy this "award" is.

Whats wrong with Sega and Annapurnna games in 2020? You tell me. You're the one who seems to track MC's annual award, not me.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If only Your posts were restricted to talking about MS lack of AAA titles in 2022.
Sony had by far the better AAA lineup, but that’s nothing to do with your rant downplaying everything Xbox.



If by ‘first half of the year’ you mean H1 2023, they have three AAA titles announced for that timeframe.

You have a major console manufacturer release jack squat in an entire calendar year.... yeah, I'm not going to give Sony equal criticism when that happens.

And I was responding to the OP who was criticizing (rightfully so) Microsoft.

Please let me know the 3 AAA titles coming in the first half...

 

[FalsettoVibe]

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Are Xbox fans satifyed with the current state of xbox?

 

[oldergamer]

An obvious troll bait topic allowed to stay open. If this was someone saying the same of sony it would have been locked in 5 min

 

[oldergamer]

Doesn't mean the OP is wrong...

Doesn't mean they are right...

 

[FalsettoVibe]

An obvious troll bait topic allowed to stay open. If this was someone saying the same of sony it would have been locked in 5 min

......but you can't say the same thing about Sony......

 

[Kagey K]

An obvious troll bait topic allowed to stay open. If this was someone saying the same of sony it would have been locked in 5 min

It's fun reading just for the extra spicy takes I will admit.

 

[zzill3]

Are Xbox fans satifyed with the current state of xbox?

Why wouldn’t we be? Sure they could have put out more first party games, but no one just plays first party games (if you do, you’re missing out). When you look at all games available for xbox and playstation, they’re roughly the same in quality and quantity.

 

[zzill3]

......but you can't say the same thing about Sony......

You can if you lie, like this topic does about Xbox / MS

 

[Clear]

So now another one of your caveats is a game score shouldn't count in a publisher's score if the game was first being made when it was originally third party.

If you feel so passionate about MC adjusting their publisher score to take into account all your nuances, why are you tell us? Tell MC.

Like I said, I couldn't give a toss about the math. Metacritic isn't science, its a promotional gimmick that trades on the illusion of objectivity because all it does is average out an arbitrary number of subjective opinions expressed as ratings.

The bottom line is that MS being top in 2021 was a win by technicality, not actuality. Once again, do you really honestly believe their 2021 output was that good?

 

[Woopah]

Pretty much all of the years of GamePass have not been exciting when it comes to genuine, top tier AAA content with the exception of maybe 2021.

The service pads out tons of mid tier content that I'd never play myself. If you LIKE services like this, more power to you. But I'd rather pay full price for genuine AAA titles if it meant they would come out more frequently than the currently lackluster GamePass model.

Microsoft definitely has had issues with publishing a good number of games, but I don't think you can blame gamepass for that.

Gamepass is not the reason for Starfield and Redfall delay for example, or for MS' lacklustre 2022.

 

[GHG]

Sending this thread to the FTC, EU commission and CMA.

According to fans of Xbox they really don't need Activision's library in order to be competitive with Sony and Nintendo's first party.

Thank me later Phil, I just saved you 70 billion and a whole lot of headache. Keep doing what you're doing, don't change a thing. You're doing a sensational job, your customers are clearly very satisfied with the way things are.

 

[Kagey K]

Microsoft definitely has had issues with publishing a good number of games, but I don't think you can blame gamepass for that.

Gamepass is not the reason for Starfield and Redfall delay for example, or for MS' lacklustre 2022.

If they truly didn't give a shit, they would have pushed those games out on the announced launch dates regardless of the state of them. The fact they were willing to invest more time and money is the exact opposite of not giving a shit.

Had MS not bought Bethesda, Starfield would probably be out only because they wouldn't have been able to afford not to release it, and then we'd be waiting months for it to be patched into a reasonable state.

 

[zzill3]

Sending this thread to the FTC, EU commission and CMA.

According to fans of Xbox they really don't need Activision's library in order to be competitive with Sony and Nintendo's first party.

Thank me later Phil, I just saved you 70 billion and a whole lot of headache. Keep doing what you're doing, don't change a thing. You're doing a sensational job, your customers are clearly very satisfied with the way things are.

You do know there’s far more Sony fanboys here saying xbox is shit, right?

 

[GHG]

You do know there’s far more Sony fanboys here saying xbox are shit, right?

I think we need to listen to actual customers of Xbox, not a bunch of people who would never purchase an xbox or their games regardless.

Stay on track young buck.

 

[zzill3]

I think we need to listen to actual customers of Xbox, not a bunch of people who would never purchase an xbox or their games regardless.

Stay on track young buck.

MS aren’t buying ABK to attract existing xbox customers

 

[Dick Jones]

As of this post, Pentiment has won more GoTY awards from eligible websites than Horizon FW.







Sony's average MC rating was 81.3

Ghost of Tsushima DC and Death Stranding DC both scored higher than that, and were included in their MC ranking as well. You take those two out and their rating drops further and MS still wins over them. Those were also, needless to say, re-releases and should not have been counted twice by your logic.

I know you like hating on MS and all, but at least look around the periphery a little bit before commenting.

Peace

This post is the worst one youve ever done. You linked to the purple site and worse you made me click...fucker