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[David B]

PS5 and Xbox Series X are 16GB ram and 8 core processors with graphics somewhere in the Nvidia 3060ti ballpark. With next gen going double again if it does, the prices will go way up. PS4 8GB ram, PS5 16GB ram. If next gen consoles go 32GB ram and 16 core processors, that would be at least a $2000 PC in my view. But we all know consoles sell for less, so I'm thinking at least $700 starting price. What about you all?

 

[SeraphJan]

No

They will use whatever spec that is feasible to hit the $500 mark at that time

 

[TheDraconian]

Yes

 

[Schmendrick]

No

They will use whatever spec that is feasible to hit the $500 mark at that time

With how inflation has developed it is naive to assume new consoles in ~2028 will still target the 500$ mark.

 

[SeraphJan]

With how inflation has developed it is naive to assume new consoles in ~2028 will still target the 500$ mark.

Its relative speaking, if its inflation you are worrying about, PC parts will be affected at a greater degree compare to console.

Talking about inflation in this context is pointless as it affects everything

 

[mrcroket]

It is absurd to try to guess what hardware will be in consoles a few years from now, since every year the hardware is renewed, and it is not always limited to doubling the number of cores or memory. Besides, you can't extrapolate today's prices with what x amount of memory or number of cores will cost in 4 or 5 years.

 

[GymWolf]

People cry if it is more than 500 dollars so you already have your answer.

 

[Damigos]

Every generation the same thing.
No, its not only pc

 

[Bonfires Down]

The PS5 has shown that a launch price of $500 is more than tolerable, or even a bargain judging by sales. So I wouldn’t be surprised about $600 for the standard model next time. $700 might be too rich considering there is competition.

 

[Guilty_AI]

The PS5 has shown that a launch price of $500 is more than tolerable, if not a bargain judging by sales. So I wouldn’t be surprised about $600 for the standard model next time. $700 might be too rich considering there is competition.

 

[winjer]

If TSMC continues to increase prices at such a high rate, the next consoles will have to increase prices.

 

[TrebleShot]

Absolutely not, there is nothing next gen about PC other than playing your current games in higher res and fps.
Its the ultimate platform for multi plats and highly customisable experience.

But the next gen isn't and never will be PC you cant push things forward when you have to develop for lowest common denominator or most popular cards.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Always has been. Every advance made in consoles this gen we've been enjoying on PC for years. Over a decade in the case of ssds

 

[AV]

Absolutely not, there is nothing next gen about PC other than playing your current games in higher res and fps.
Its the ultimate platform for multi plats and highly customisable experience.

But the next gen isn't and never will be PC you cant push things forward when you have to develop for lowest common denominator or most popular cards.

 

[Fuz]

You mean politically correct?

 

[The Cockatrice]

Absolutely not, there is nothing next gen about PC other than playing your current games in higher res and fps.
Its the ultimate platform for multi plats and highly customisable experience.

But the next gen isn't and never will be PC you cant push things forward when you have to develop for lowest common denominator or most popular cards.

This guy has no idea how PC scaling works.

 

[Jibran#one]

With all the shit ports I see on pc , u have to pay me to play on pc.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

Always has been. Every advance made in consoles this gen we've been enjoying on PC for years. Over a decade in the case of ssds

Have not been enjoying the games though…until now

Joining the PC gaming culture soon!

 

[ViolentP]

Performance vs. fidelity options is some of the most PC ass things in the console space today. Coupled with multiple performance SKUs and day1 patches, I question if console gaming is even its own thing anymore. Whether you all like it or not, you’re being trained on becoming PC players.

 

[Madserb2023]

I am expecting something close to the $600 range for the next console. The PS5 Pro will also be around that. In regards to what you can get for that price come 2028/2029. Is absolutely unknowable outside of AMD who will likely provide the hardware. We could see a complete new architectural direction between now and then. We would be on RDNA 5 or whatever it will be called by then so it might not be comparable to what we have with PCs now.

 

[VN1X]

RIveting thread.

 

[TrebleShot]

This guy has no idea how PC scaling works.

This only serves to back up my claim.

"I can scale up from a low end system"
"I can scale down from a high end system"

Both suggest you haven't designed anything bespoke for anything, you've attempted to be a one size fits all.
Forgive me but that does not strike me as innovative nor does it strike me as a good platform to design a specific piece of software designed to be a unique experience leveraging a specifically designed piece of hardware.

Its fantastic if you have the means to afford a high end system or if you want to max out games that have been designed for scaling.

As we have seen with games that arent designed for scaling (Last of Us Pt1 as the most recent example) we come across issues and it requires alot of work to scale.

 

[Zathalus]

That was 17 years ago. A $399 console back then would be $600 today, nevermind 5 years from now.

 

[Maestr0]

With how pricy the gpu market have become, with potential problem, I rest my case, and I prefer wait for actual good result with decent prices, I'm less inclined to buy pc component right now

 

[Guilty_AI]

That was 17 years ago. A $399 console back then would be $600 today, nevermind 5 years from now.

And a $600 console back then would be $900 today. We have a precedent.

 

[nightmare-slain]

Consoles are nothing like PC. They might share some architectures/specs but they are two totally different products for different kinds of people.

Consoles need to be cheap for the average/casual player to pick up. It can't be too large or power hungry. Due to being in a relatively small case you have limited cooling and thermals which further restrict performance.

Consoles are like a snapshot of the power of PC and they target a specific price point and power efficiency. Here the most expensive console is the PS5 at £480. With that kind of money you can basically only pick 1 or 2 parts for your PC.

A modern decent CPU is £300-450. For a GPU you're looking at £300+. And then you need to account for a case, cooler, ram, sdd, psu, monitor, keyboard, mouse.

And you can throw as much power at a PC as you like so get the absolute best performance. A GPU alone can use 200-400W. CPU anywhere between 100-300W (some can do up to 500W but not necessarily for gaming). For comparison I think a console uses about the same power as a budget/midrange GPU.

Also consoles are not upgradable. At best you might add some storage but that's it. You can hope a Pro model comes out.

I will admit that the PS5/XSX for a while did look better value than a PC but PC does what it always does and has moved forward. Yeah, PCs cost more money but these current consoles can't come close to what a PC can do today. Next gen consoles, assuming they come out in 2027-28, will likely be similar to a high end PC you can build in a couple years. Sony/Microsoft will need to wait for lower powered and more efficient parts before they can stick them into a cramped tiny box with a single fan and sell them for <£500... or even <£600 with the way prices are going now.

 

[brian0057]

People be here treating PCs like they're only good for gaming.
You do know you can do more things, right? Like make money?

 

[RoboFu]

People be here treating PCs like they're only good for gaming.
You do know you can do more things, right? Like make money?

Yeah but windows is shit and will be slow as shit in a month if you do anything but gaming. If only gaming you at least get 6 months till it slows to a crawl.

 

[Topher]

Yeah but windows is shit and will be slow as shit in a month if you do anything but gaming. If only gaming you at least get 6 months till it slows to a crawl.

/s

 

[nightmare-slain]

Yeah but windows is shit and will be slow as shit in a month if you do anything but gaming. If only gaming you at least get 6 months till it slows to a crawl.

if your pc is slowing to a crawl after 6 months then you're not using it properly and/or you have an old/weak PC.

I just upgraded my PC but the parts I had been using were almost 5 years old and Windows 11 ran with no problems. Yeah I've done a couple clean installs through the years but not because of issues with Windows performance and I've went for much longer than 6 months between reinstalling it.

 

[Wildebeest]

There is less diversity of custom designed chips, but consoles are still not like really like PCs. They are only that similar if you see high-end graphics cards as being practically the whole of the PC by itself.

 

[nightmare-slain]

People be here treating PCs like they're only good for gaming.
You do know you can do more things, right? Like make money?

I do game on my PC but it's my main device. Obviously I have a phone but I feel it slows me down. It's alright for quickly checking something but if I have to do anything meaningful then I go to my PC.

The specs of my PC are quite overkill for just gaming but I do other stuff on my PC like photo/video editing/encoding/rendering and mess about with AI. It might be overkill but for something I use everyday I want top performance and to know I can do basically whatever I want on it.

Is a 16c/32t cpu more than I need yeah. Will I struggle to fill up 64GB? Yeah. But I like to know that that extra RAM and cores are there if I do need them. I thought 16GB VRAM was overkill but then I started doing AI stuff. So who knows it could all come in useful.

 

[RoboFu]

if your pc is slowing to a crawl after 6 months then you're not using it properly and/or you have an old/weak PC.

I just upgraded my PC but the parts I had been using were almost 5 years old and Windows 11 ran with no problems. Yeah I've done a couple clean installs through the years but not because of issues with Windows performance and I've went for much longer than 6 months between reinstalling it.

Well obliviously I was being hyperbolic but yes over time windows gets bloated and has what I like to call os rot we’re multiple apps and updates just mix all kinds of different system files and greatly reduces performance.

Which is why I have a dedicated work windows machine and a dedicated gaming windows machine. I also have dedicated vms for work and Mac and Linux systems for work and everyday use.

 

[Braag]

Yeah but windows is shit and will be slow as shit in a month if you do anything but gaming. If only gaming you at least get 6 months till it slows to a crawl.

This sounds like my parents. They complain that their laptop is slowing down. I go and check and they have like 50 programs opening up during startup, none of them which they use.
I just updated to windows 11, my windows 10 was installed over 3 years ago and ran still fast without issues.

 

[Schmendrick]

Yeah but windows is shit and will be slow as shit in a month if you do anything but gaming. If only gaming you at least get 6 months till it slows to a crawl.

Found the grandmother with the 500 adware tasks in the background.

 

[mrcroket]

This guy has no idea how PC scaling works.

Yes he does, you can't create a game that only runs on the most powerful hardware on the market, it has to run on a wide range of hardware, something that limits how ambitious it can be. Scalability has a limit, and the minimum is set by the most popular hardware (if we talk about pc games like competitive shooters or mobas), consoles set the technical maximum you can aspire to in this generation, the most you can aspire to with a high-end hardware is to play at more fps or more resolution and hopefully, some patch that adds some extra ray tracing effect. All this paying like 4 or 5 times more for the hardware.

 

[RoboFu]

Found the grandmother with the 500 adware tasks in the background.

You know why windows fanboys can only make one sentence straw man replies?

They don’t have time!.. there’s another daily windows update to install!!

 

[The Cockatrice]

Yes he does, you can't create a game that only runs on the most powerful hardware on the market, it has to run on a wide range of hardware, something that limits how ambitious it can be. Scalability has a limit, and the minimum is set by the most popular hardware (if we talk about pc games like competitive shooters or mobas), consoles set the technical maximum you can aspire to in this generation, the most you can aspire to with a high-end hardware is to play at more fps or more resolution and hopefully, some patch that adds some extra ray tracing effect. All this paying like 4 or 5 times more for the hardware.

You dont either apparently. Twink account?

 

[L*][*N*K]

Redfall says: no it isn’t

 

[Zathalus]

And a $600 console back then would be $900 today. We have a precedent.

Yeah, but that price was not well received. I don't think a $899 console will go over too well today.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Yeah, but that price was not well received. I don't think a $899 console will go over too well today.

Do not underestimate the out-of-touchness capacity of a big corp.

 

[ReBurn]

The PS5 has shown that a launch price of $500 is more than tolerable, or even a bargain judging by sales. So I wouldn’t be surprised about $600 for the standard model next time. $700 might be too rich considering there is competition.

Inflation is a thing. A launch price of $500 has to be tolerable because that's what it costs. The $299 that the original PlayStation launched at is equivalent to 600 2023 dollars. Both PS2 and PS4 clock in at over 500 2023 dollars. If nothing else the capability of consoles has been increasing dramatically in value while inflation adjusted cost remained the same. PS3 was ridiculously priced when you put it in context with every other generation.

 

[Doctor Hades]

I bought myself a new £2,000 PC in December last year and that didn't include the cost of a graphics card as I used my RTX 3080. I have since bought a £1,200 RTX 4080 due to coming across an increasing number of games hitting the RTX 3080's 10 GB VRAM limit at 1440p (not 4K!) and the 4080 was really the only viable upgrade path for me. Sorry AMD fans but I enjoy NVIDIA's superior DLSS and RT features plus only have a G-SYNC display so switching to an AMD GPU was never an option. They offer value in my experience but rarely quality or innovation like NVIDIA. NVIDIA know this though and that is why they feel they can get away with charging whatever they like for their GPUs.

While I concur that you don't need to spend over £3K on a PC to enjoy quality gaming at console settings or better with upscaled 4K, I am someone who wants a system that will last me at least five years and hopefully more, much like a console. My last PC was built in June 2013 and lasted me almost 10 years. My 1080 Ti graphics card, which I had before the RTX 3080, lasted me almost five years. Also, the quality of recent PC games such as the terrible The Last of Us Part 1 conversion, a shameful release on PC that demands ludicrous hardware to run it at PS5 quality settings, means that I feel like I need a high-end PC just to brute force my way through all the lame ports in the last 12 to 18 months!!!

Sadly, I think with the high cost of PC components, especially the graphics cards, that PC gaming is real danger of becoming so niche that developers will eventually abandon it for consoles and all we will be left with are indie games and mobile ports. Laugh if you want but I don't know many people who even own a gaming PC any more. Most people I know have moved on to laptops for work and consoles, iPads and mobile phones for their gaming needs.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I think they’re going to stay in the $500 ballpark. They’re trying to sell these to the masses - not just dedicated players.

 

[FStubbs]

To be fair, it will be over 20 years between that and PS6.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

It is next gen on PC every 1 or 2 years lol

 

[Ainem Enamas]

I think the developers mostly are focusing on the engine technology and then the art-style after that it's simply raw power.

 

[Black_Stride]

I doubt we will see consoles with 16 cores.
If I was to hazard a guess, give 8 cores more cache than they could ever ask for and call it a day.

RAM I think 24-32GB is a safe bet.

On GPU side, well depends what AMD has on the horizon at the time the nextgen consoles are being engineered.
But I wouldnt be shocked if in launch year the consoles have something closer towards the top of the pile than the bottom.

 

[Solidus_T]

As someone who has a high end PC and a PS5, the PS5 and XSX still provide better value than a high end PC in my opinion.

 

[DaGwaphics]

32GB of memory could be cheaper at that time than 16GB was in 2020, it all depends on the pricing of components. Most GDDR is still at 20nm or maybe 16, I can't remember, still plenty of room for them to shrink down as they move to 4GB being the base module size in place of the common 2GB modules typically used today.