sainraja
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Well, that is still happening. You didn't need the deal to go through for that. Regardless, you obviously feel differently, but it's a weird way to feel good about something.
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Microsoft / Activision deal prevented to protect innovation and choice in cloud gaming
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That's not the rationale for blocking that's just them seeing through MS' bullshit to get this deal.
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DJ12
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Annual shill meeting?
GHG
Gold Member
They can try but I'm sure a combination of Phil, Greenberg and Brad Smith constantly mouthing off in the press will result in it getting blocked.
Elder Legend
Banned
Yes, drama is still happening, but I wanted too see the blue side cry, those usually are the funniest. Again, it's just dumb silly personal reasons for entertainment value. Nothing serious.
Don't take this too seriously lol. It's really not the end of the world.
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dem
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From what's been written about the process... it doesn't sound like there is anything to appeal.
They will appeal because they've invested so much and they're on the hook for 3 billion if it fails anyway. But the odds are basically zero of this going forward.
begotten
Member
Nah, he's a fat little manchild.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
My assumption is the bribe amount was too small, Microsoft thought they could low ball Brexit Britain.
Don't they know it's a 20% of the purchase amount? That poultry 15% bribe gets you this.
Don't they know it's a 20% of the purchase amount? That poultry 15% bribe gets you this.
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bentanchorbolt
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DarthPutin
Member
Holy shit! I expect it to still pass somehow, but it's some good news finally (I'd rather some serious good news but I'll take a smile when I can).
Please learn to manage your many amazing studios first and don't try to buy out industry.
For XBOX fans, it could work out great for you as they will no doubt buy other stuff instead. Not for 70 Bil, but just about anything would be more exciting than Activision IMHO for average GAF gamer.
I consider it a positive move for the health of the industry nonetheless.
Please learn to manage your many amazing studios first and don't try to buy out industry.
For XBOX fans, it could work out great for you as they will no doubt buy other stuff instead. Not for 70 Bil, but just about anything would be more exciting than Activision IMHO for average GAF gamer.
I consider it a positive move for the health of the industry nonetheless.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
And I expect to have a threesome with Aerith and Tifa, but the way CAT/CMA procedures work make my prospect way more real than Microsoft's chances to appeal successfully.
VAVA Mk2
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Microsoft already said they would let other cloud services have it like GeForce Now and some other smaller ones.
squarealex
Member
Poor Alex Scott. I can't playing Disgaea 7.....Or maybe Japanese devs don't care Xbox...
GHG
Gold Member
Huh? Do you jest?
The way they went about things (in tandem with Lulu and Kotick at Activision) had all the hallmarks of how Trump tended to handle his campaigns.
So yeh, if you're being serious, doubling down on the very strategy that didn't work for them doesn't seem to be too wise.
FUBARx89
Member
See MS are still going "b-b-b-but 150million devices! Streaming! Nintendo!"
When CMA just like "yeah. We saw evidence Activision would put their stuff on streaming anyway"
Not really a good look for MS to keep parroting that line.
Not gonna lie. I really did think it would pass though after consoles where dropped.
Kotick & Co also need to really keep their mouths shut now aswell. Alot of the PR chest banging got them into a shitty situation. It won't make it better. Least Spencer has only retweeted what his boss said, rather than opening his mouth.
When CMA just like "yeah. We saw evidence Activision would put their stuff on streaming anyway"
Not really a good look for MS to keep parroting that line.
Not gonna lie. I really did think it would pass though after consoles where dropped.
Kotick & Co also need to really keep their mouths shut now aswell. Alot of the PR chest banging got them into a shitty situation. It won't make it better. Least Spencer has only retweeted what his boss said, rather than opening his mouth.
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bentanchorbolt
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GHG
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Majukun
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i'm curious what will become of actibliz and of the 70 bln now...the owner of actibliz were looking for a door out and now that door closed.
for the latter, technically now microsoft has a lot of capital burning a hole in its pocket, but as much as i don't care for actibliz game, their franchises have worldwide recognition and huge following, so it would be difficult to find an equally effective purchase
for the latter, technically now microsoft has a lot of capital burning a hole in its pocket, but as much as i don't care for actibliz game, their franchises have worldwide recognition and huge following, so it would be difficult to find an equally effective purchase
Sure, they let COD in other platforms, but everyone will subscribe to MS because they have much more games because they basically are buying publishers, CMA didn’t buy that.
I said before, Sony focused in COD, when there are multiple reasons why this deal shouldn’t let be.
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ShaiKhulud1989
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Can't say about ATVI (they will continue to print money on all platforms possibly w/o Bobby and Lulu), but those 69bn minus the the fall-through tax, will be invested in AI almost ASAP. For example, atm ChatGPT running daily costs are floating around $750K and that's a hole that you can cover with already written-off money for almost 3 months in advance.
It will be interesting though how fast MS will adandon the chest-pounding and simply declare the deal dead. My bet, it will be after EU's refusal.
bitbydeath
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If they weren’t locked in on this deal they might have been able to buy Tomb Raider for peanuts.
Yoboman
Member
I mean if Strauss wants a free 3 billion fee when Take2 deal fails as well that's good
The best news is neither Sony or MS will be able to acquire Take 2, EA or ABK now. Basically anything big enough to be considered an essential input
Banjo64
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Microsoft, a company that has used shell companies in Ireland to avoid paying tax on €260b profit and we have to sit here whilst dipshits from Activision, a mega company themselves, try and spoon feed us on what’s good for us 
tempted to never buy another Xbox/ABK product again after this. It’ll certainly effect my purchasing decisions even if I don’t outright boycot.
tempted to never buy another Xbox/ABK product again after this. It’ll certainly effect my purchasing decisions even if I don’t outright boycot.
Yoboman
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If I'm an MS investor I am happy this deal fails. Xbox is just a drag on the whole business and not worth a 70 billion investment. If I'm an MS investor I can envisage a large chunk of that now going to AI development (for better or worse)
bitbydeath
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I mean, they could create a second team to work on Elder Scrolls right now, money does afford you that.
normalguy09x
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Did congress ever take action?
MarkMe2525
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Who is the authority on the matter that determines the feasibility of such things? The conclusion they came to seems arbitrary. Now in saying that, I don’t have the complete picture of the information used to come to this stance. The CMA criteria for what would qualify as a ‘similar standard of quality’ is, at this point, undefined to us. CMA could also be rejecting the notion that a cloud solution used by games such as Kingdom Hearts and Control are not sufficient. Considering that I am a frequent xcloud user, I would argue against that stance; but again, we are not working with all the information.
fart town usa
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You act like the Switch doesn't exist and isn't in competition with Sony and MS. There is more to gaming than just Sony vs Xbox. You also just came out and said it, MS needs/wants ABK to be more competitive.
It's so absurdly dumb. MS not getting ABK only prevents fanboys from dunking on Sony fanboys. Nothing about owning an Xbox will change when it comes to ABK output, they've lost nothing other than shit talking points. MS has so many resources with Xbox, they're just mismanaged as can be and pathetic in their output.
People should be mad at Xbox for repeatedly shitting the bed for no apparent reason. It's embarrassing to see people straight faced boast about gamepass and the fact that Xbox controllers take AA batteries.
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Yoboman
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A senator from Ohio is writing a strongly worded letter to the CMA right now threatening to ban all imports of baked beans and tea to Ohio
oldergamer
Member
I don't know why people think that's it and it's over. This decision will be challenged in court which was always the path they would have taken at a decision against the merger. It's happened before and will again.
They are excluding android and iOS cloud gaming. Which is already huge. Not only that but they ignored the deals they made for other cloud services.
This will all be overturned by a judge. This seems like the weakest area of argument by the cma
They are excluding android and iOS cloud gaming. Which is already huge. Not only that but they ignored the deals they made for other cloud services.
This will all be overturned by a judge. This seems like the weakest area of argument by the cma
oldergamer
Member
This does nothing but prevent cod from being on cloud gaming. That is not a win for gamers
bitbydeath
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Apparently it goes to CAT and if they find something it goes back to CMA who can just block it again. CMA can’t be overruled, only re-review.
Fabieter
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I would argue that talking about a potential cloud streaming version of a competitive online shooter isnt actually to consider as similar quality.
Banjo64
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it can’t go to court, where Microsoft can try and tangle the procedure up and create huge legal fees. it goes to a tribunal who decide if the CMA didn’t follow their process correctly. if that’s found to be the case it goes back to the CMA.
that’s it. that’s the appeal process in its entirety.
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ChorizoPicozo
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the question is.....if Xbox is even going to exist next year
fart town usa
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bentanchorbolt
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So essentially the appeal is just a committee more or less determining if the CMA did their due diligence, and if they did, then that's that? The deal with the CMA is now closed with no further recourse?
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Fabieter
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ulantan
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Keeps their games multiplatform so it is.
Tams
Member
For this deal in the UK? Yes, done and dusted.
Now elsewhere in the world, or if they try a different deal (splitting ActivisionBlizzard up, etc.), those are different matters.
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MarkMe2525
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What would that argument consist of? The only practical difference is the addition of 60-120ms of latency. A consumer can find themselves with greater amounts of latency simply by sticking with the "out of the box" settings on the television. My Vizio that I replaced a couple of years ago had an image latency of over 100ms in its gaming mode (according to rtings.com).
Edit: My point being that while it may not be the ideal experience, it is absolutely sufficient to enjoy the product. If someone were attempting to play competitively then they would not be on the Switch.
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Tsaki
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Huh? How does this work? I thought it was a set amount ($3B) if the deal is not closed by July 18th.
It’s a win in that it’s less studios under the umbrella of Microsoft who has continually shown they’re incompetent when it comes to managing studios.
DJ12
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They don't look at the evidence at all, MS have to prove the CMA acted in bad faith or irrationally.
Even if they win, which they wouldn't, it would still go back to the CMA and they would come to the same conclusion only removing the supposed "irrational" or "bad faith" reasoning
the question is.....if Xbox is even going to exist next year
Xbox is dead, long live Microsoft Gaming, coming to a PlayStation near you next season.
If you cannot beat them, join them.
MS should just come get some of that PlayStation money and finally turn a profit on their gaming business.
Banjo64
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Correct.
FrankWza
Member
That's debatable. What isn't is that no gamers lose anything. Nothing gets taken away from any platform. If you have an xbox you still get CoD. Same with PS. Xbox should Create and cultivate not take franchises away.
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GHG
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Anything that prevents Microsoft from accelerating (*cough* forcing *cough*) gaming towards a dystopian cloud future where they control the majority of the market is a win for gamers.
You guys need to get more creative if you're going to argue that this was somehow going to be a win for gamers when Activision provided evidence that they were eventually going to make their franchises available via cloud anyway.
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Fabieter
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That 60 to 120ms is on top of it and would be a worse experience than xbox/playstation or pc.
Besides the streaming differences they implied that it will be ported
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