DeepEnigma
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The full context isn't any better.Yep, it just highlights even more that the topic title is not something in the interview at all and a heavily skewed statement to give off a whole different message.
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Phil Spencer admits defeat in console space, and doesn't think great games would help Xbox's market share.
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Don't forget the we can't compete because sony is making deals with 3rd parties....While trying the biggest acquisition in gaming 10 times more than the previous one ....That they also made....But sony's bad they have timed exclusives, we buy publishers ....The hypocrisy there is incredible.
Edit: I forgot but with minecraft they also have the 3rd biggest deal in the history of gaming....But it is sony that buys everything...
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FunkMiller
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Yep, it just highlights even more that the topic title is not something in the interview at all and a heavily skewed statement to give off a whole different message.
You're mad.
He says quite openly that Xbox can't compete with Sony and Nintendo, and also says that great games wouldn't change Xbox's market share. It's bolded in the quote, and timestamped on the video.
It doesn’t matter how powerful the console is if you don’t have the games and content to go with it. Plus if you got a good PC you have access to Xbox games and can play them better than what a successor could.
Sleepwalker
Member
Working over time to try and recoup his stock market losses I guess, hopefully hes on the $200/hr package.
digoutyoursoul
Member
“Forza is coming”
Yeah we know, how many years has this been the case. “Yeah but Forza” “we got Forza” you got the main game and the spin off, five of them since the year before Xbox One.
It’s got to a point they have stopped numbering motorsport , how many Horizons will there be on the current consoles until you stop numbering them?
Yeah we know, how many years has this been the case. “Yeah but Forza” “we got Forza” you got the main game and the spin off, five of them since the year before Xbox One.
It’s got to a point they have stopped numbering motorsport , how many Horizons will there be on the current consoles until you stop numbering them?
Jaybe
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Seriously, how much is he being paid to gobble the goo?
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I don't want him to resign. I've explained my position in detail. I think one of the biggest advantages Nintendo and Sony have is continuity of staff. I think starting from scratch is a dumb idea. You can think whatever you want. I like the moves he's made. I also think the CMA was dead wrong, but that's out of his control.
FunkMiller
Member
Would that be the console with tons of exclusive games not available on any other platform?
Hugare
Member
PS5 and Xbox have almost the same hardware
The main difference are the games, Phil
Dude have been on this position for more than a decade and still havent figured out that games are the most important thing.
During the 360 era Xbox was at a better marker position, how? Games.
"We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where everybody built their digital library of games."
Why would I build a digital library of games if I could pay for Game Pass?
You shot yourself in the foot, you idiot
I really dont know how they can comeback from this position. GP has done more harm than good for Xbox.
The main difference are the games, Phil
Dude have been on this position for more than a decade and still havent figured out that games are the most important thing.
During the 360 era Xbox was at a better marker position, how? Games.
"We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where everybody built their digital library of games."
Why would I build a digital library of games if I could pay for Game Pass?
You shot yourself in the foot, you idiot
I really dont know how they can comeback from this position. GP has done more harm than good for Xbox.
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Stare-Bear
Banned
Sony changed heads 3 times during the PS4 generation...
Bragr
Banned
Terrible headline man, straight-up console warring.
What he's saying is not defeat, he is telling you that Game Pass is their brand.
The numbers don't lie, it's just that most here live in a fantasy world where if you make a great game, everyone will buy your console. Truth is, there is a small handful of studios that can create software that sells consoles, and you can count those studios on one hand. Xbox has none, and most of the big important audiences are tied up in free-to-play games or Pokemon/Animal Crossing.
This is why they shifted to Game Pass, because they learned from the Xbox One days that the path back to the Xbox 360 success is not there anymore. PC, Game Pass, and mobile is the big thing for them.
What he's saying is not defeat, he is telling you that Game Pass is their brand.
The numbers don't lie, it's just that most here live in a fantasy world where if you make a great game, everyone will buy your console. Truth is, there is a small handful of studios that can create software that sells consoles, and you can count those studios on one hand. Xbox has none, and most of the big important audiences are tied up in free-to-play games or Pokemon/Animal Crossing.
This is why they shifted to Game Pass, because they learned from the Xbox One days that the path back to the Xbox 360 success is not there anymore. PC, Game Pass, and mobile is the big thing for them.
Elder Legend
Banned
I get what he is trying to say with that statement, but the way it was worded is horrendous. Great games are still important. It doesn't matter if you are selling a console or a subscription service, you NEED great games to sell either/or.
You NEED to give an incentive to subscribing to your services/eco system.
You NEED to give an incentive to subscribing to your services/eco system.
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Dr_Ifto
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Thats what I am saying
Pray tell - what message do you think Phil was trying to express in that interview?Yep, it just highlights even more that the topic title is not something in the interview at all and a heavily skewed statement to give off a whole different message.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I preferred them at the start of that gen.
SkylineRKR
Member
Yes Sony's vision paid off. I sticked with PS3, granted it was a frustrating ordeal at times. A worse performing port here, an outage there.. But Sony, during the co-op heyday, invested in games like Uncharted, TLOU, Infamous, God of War. Those experiences weren't the norm, and while Uncharted had multiplayer from the second game onward, it wasn't its main draw. It paid off on PS4, just look at what numbers Santa Monica, Guerrilla, Sucker Punch and all managed to ship on that system. They elevated the system while MS was still stuck in its own vacuum.
baphomet
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Before making excuses that releasing high quality games won't shift the needle, maybe give it a shot?
it's been nearly 15 years since they've tried, and it seemed to work pretty well then.
If they cared so much about console sales then they wouldn't have gone day 1 PC, because that's where the hardcore are going to be playing them. Just giving people a way to play their games without actually having to invest into their ecosystem.
it's been nearly 15 years since they've tried, and it seemed to work pretty well then.
If they cared so much about console sales then they wouldn't have gone day 1 PC, because that's where the hardcore are going to be playing them. Just giving people a way to play their games without actually having to invest into their ecosystem.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He knows they're important and he speaks out of both sides of his mouth.
Otherwise, he would not be trying to buy up all the storied 3rd party publishers and IPs to play permanent takeaway from the competition. Games they would have had already and does nothing PR wise but feed the most fanatical console war retard machine.
Nautilus
Banned
This quote should also put a final nail in the cofin on the morronic narrative that Nintendo doesn't compete directly with MS and Sony.
When even the highest autority of Xbox admitting that Nintendo is competing with them and losing to them, is the moment you realize that saying anything contrary to that is stupid beyond belief.
When even the highest autority of Xbox admitting that Nintendo is competing with them and losing to them, is the moment you realize that saying anything contrary to that is stupid beyond belief.
MALpractice311
Member
That seems like a major sunk cost fallacy. Xbox have had this dude for, what, 10 years? And he still hasn't figured out Xbox needs high quality, exclusive games to sell it's consoles? And now he's admitting defeat (whether he believes it or it's put on to try to get sympathy for the Activision merger, is another story)?
Gudji
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Humdinger
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I think it's been a bad couple of weeks for Phil, and that affected some of his tone/phrasing.
I also think he has been hearing this complaint ("Xbox has no good new games; it's just Halo/Forza/Gears") for about a decade now, and he needs a way to deflect it. Saying that great games won't (by themselves) make much of a dent on console sales is his way of trying to deflate the criticism that Xbox keeps getting.
You know he must've heard the same complaint a thousand times. His response used to be, "We're committed to making great games. Don't worry. They're right around the corner." But after years and years of that, it just doesn't fly anymore. This is a different tack, a different angle. "Great games really wouldn't (by themselves) help us beat Sony or Nintendo" in terms of console sales (so please stop talking about MS's lack of them).
I also think he has been hearing this complaint ("Xbox has no good new games; it's just Halo/Forza/Gears") for about a decade now, and he needs a way to deflect it. Saying that great games won't (by themselves) make much of a dent on console sales is his way of trying to deflate the criticism that Xbox keeps getting.
You know he must've heard the same complaint a thousand times. His response used to be, "We're committed to making great games. Don't worry. They're right around the corner." But after years and years of that, it just doesn't fly anymore. This is a different tack, a different angle. "Great games really wouldn't (by themselves) help us beat Sony or Nintendo" in terms of console sales (so please stop talking about MS's lack of them).
FunkMiller
Member
The team responsible for the launch of the Ps4 deserve all the praise they get.
Jimbo? Not so much. He's lucky Phil keeps screwing the pooch.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I don't think that's what he said at all.
Ansphn
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Don't mind that person LMAO. Their whole online persona is having Phil Spencer's balls deep in their throat and people thinking it's their Adams Apple.
skit_data
Member
What surprises me most is how concludes it explitictly not true when… well tbh… have they really executed on that approach and failed?
Edit: I mean a consistent, high quality output spanning several years with the absolute lowest water mark being 1 or 2 ”meh” games and not 1 or 2 ”this is a dumpsterfire” games
Edit: I mean a consistent, high quality output spanning several years with the absolute lowest water mark being 1 or 2 ”meh” games and not 1 or 2 ”this is a dumpsterfire” games
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Nydius
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The only embarrassing take is the head of Xbox is openly stating on a public platform that making great games wouldn’t move the needle when all three current console manufacturers have periods that prove otherwise. Xbox with the 360, PlayStation with the PS4, and Nintendo with the Switch.
Trying to spin that in any positive way is equally embarrassing.
Those are the words of someone who has given up.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
"Xbox will deliver great games and has been doing that"
Has been doing that?
Some Xbox fans don't want to hold Microsoft accountable.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
The guy they hired to do the mock review....This is shoking they need to change their quality/review team
DrFigs
Member
well he's not admitting defeat. it's more that he thinks he needs some other gimmick to sell consoles because great games won't cut it. but it's a massive cope because... what exactly are the great games that xbox has been releasing? I mean there's allegedly hi fi rush... and uh.... uhmmm????
MALpractice311
Member
Most of the founders and the actual talent that Arkane had are long gone. Let it burn.
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Pasta la Vista
Member
Hmm xbox brand dies so the ABK deal can live?
Not a bad idea. ABK has likely made more money this gen than xbox as a whole.
Not a bad idea. ABK has likely made more money this gen than xbox as a whole.
01011001
Banned
Nintendo has a different approach to consoles these days tho.
Microsoft could try the same, but it's extremely risky, as we also have seen in the past with Nintendo.
The Xbox 360, even tho vastly superior in almost every way to the PS3, still narrowly lost to it... I think that says a lot
Nautilus
Banned
Nintendo says hiOn behalf of everyone on the Internet, we would like to congratulate Phil Spencer on ending The Great Console War.
We're all brothers and sisters now. And GAF lived happily ever after.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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Becoming more and more convinced Phil is an undercover Sony agent
FrankWza
Member
Yup. That's why the shot him from the waist up. God knows who's down there under frame
Varteras
Gold Member
On behalf of everyone on the Internet, we would like to congratulate Phil Spencer on ending The Great Console War.
We're all brothers and sisters now. And GAF lived happily ever after.
M1chl
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
So we are just gonna act like the WiiU wasn't a 15M selling console in 4 years and come before the Switch which has now outsold the PS4?
Extreme takes yes, but can you point out something that they are saying that is outright wrong or not implied from what the head of Xbox has said?
You know, educate us.
Alternatively - Xbox brand dies so MS Gaming can rise.
Jibran#one
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Jesus fucking Christ for the last 6 years we have been hearing games are coming games are coming and now this.
I swear Phil has been nothing but talk all these years.
I swear Phil has been nothing but talk all these years.
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