Support NeoGAF

[havoc00]

Cod runs the business brother

 

[Esppiral]

From the nex entry it will be called Duty of Call and be Ms exclusive. Lol

 

[gothmog]

So what's the term? I have a suspicion both sides made out just fine with this deal.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Do we know a length of this contrac?

Seems odd they didn’t mention that in the tweet

 

[adamsapple]

He better make good on that. Fuck the binding COD agreements. Where was his binding agreement with gamers that he will revive Hexen?

Quakecon.

Believe !

(I have no idea lol)

 

[Portugeezer]

Sony will finally develop a good multiplayer FPS the next few years.

 

[AmuroChan]

So Sony is that dependent on COD revenue?

They are not (as in, PlayStation won't go bankrupt without COD), but no business wants to see a big chunk of annual revenue just vanish.

 

[Represent.]

Disgusting.

 

[Chukhopops]

So let’s say that Sony gets $800M (they’re own words) from CoD every year, that would mean that Activision gets $3.2 billion annually from CoD on PS alone.

Yeah, good luck making up that lost revenue.

There is no world where it makes any financial sense to take CoD off of Playstaion.

Activision doesn’t get 3.2bn from CoD on PS alone, just check their yearly report.

They get 18% of their +/- 8bn revenue from Sony, which is around 1.44 bn.

 

[AphexTwunt]

Jim flexing his negotiating skills line a champ.

 

[RCU005]

It’s obvious Call of Duty would still be on PlayStation because it sells like 80%+ on it. Microsoft dreams that in a few years things will revert and they will be able to stop releasing on PS.

It’s going to be interesting to see sales numbers for the next game. Right now, Sony has many deals with Activision, and Microsoft will definitely put it on Game Pass so:

Now: $ = PlayStation + Xbox
Next game: $ = PlayStation + Xbox + GamePass

Which one will make more money?

 

[otakuninja2006]

Still amazes me that Sony couldn't find a studio to create a game to seriously compete with CoD.
Just make a functionally competent arcade military themed shooter and not include bullshit fortnite-esque skins and mictrotransactions.
Please

Sony doesn't like making good competent choices. Just look at Crunchyroll as a prime example.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Now: $ = PlayStation + Xbox
Next game: $ = PlayStation + Xbox + GamePass

Which one will make more money?

The former, unless MS plans to significantly raise GP prices

Cord cutting streaming services happens all the time. What’s to stop a CoD only player from getting GP in November alone each year?

 

[VAVA Mk2]

HA! Suck it PONIES! Call of Duty is STAYING ON PLAYSTATION! Take. The. L.

Ooof. Hope you had fun during your time here on GAF.

 

[//DEVIL//]

It’s obvious Call of Duty would still be on PlayStation because it sells like 80%+ on it. Microsoft dreams that in a few years things will revert and they will be able to stop releasing on PS.

It’s going to be interesting to see sales numbers for the next game. Right now, Sony has many deals with Activision, and Microsoft will definitely put it on Game Pass so:

Now: $ = PlayStation + Xbox
Next game: $ = PlayStation + Xbox + GamePass

Which one will make more money?

I am going to assume once this deal closes, all COD games will be game pass within 1 week or so if closing the deal.

I do wonder about the price of Xbox game pass though. once they drop whole Activision games on Xbox / PC, I wonder if it will be the same price as before.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

That's not true, all of the regulators that passed were based on the remedies MS had, such as the 10 year plan. imagine getting approved, and then MS says oh ya we aren't doing the 10 year plan after all. Good luck.

It's not about if Sony got a 10-year deal; they very much have. The question I guess people have is, what are the terms to that deal, such as what price Sony has to pay for getting the game into PS+, or if Microsoft for some reason chooses not to do Day 1 Game Pass releases for COD so that B2P revenue on PlayStation can be maximized (they won't). Since Sony doesn't have a cloud service per se (not something of its own, not after PS Now got merged into PS+), they may not qualify for a "free automatic license" in the EU like cloud providers such as Boosteroid do, so then the question is how much does Sony pay for cloud access, and does that include PS5 versions or just PS4 ones.

On all of those other points, Sony could have have the shit end of the stick, but it doesn't matter much anymore now does it? Better something than potentially nothing after their COD marketing deal is up. Sony could have probably negotiated far stronger terms for themselves back last fall, before the FTC's original decision. They would be in no position to do that now, so while I'm guessing MS have given them a 10-year deal, it's likely with notably reduced terms of favorability to Sony.

I am going to assume once this deal closes, all COD games will be game pass within 1 week or so if closing the deal.

I do wonder about the price of Xbox game pass though. once they drop whole Activision games on Xbox / PC, I wonder if it will be the same price as before.

Hell no . That price is going up, up, up!!

 

[xellos2099alpha]

Revive hexen and heretic? Hmm...*strokes chin with interest*

Isn't Avow essentially a spirital successor to Hexen?

 

[Badlucktroll]

 

[AphexTwunt]

It’s obvious Call of Duty would still be on PlayStation because it sells like 80%+ on it. Microsoft dreams that in a few years things will revert and they will be able to stop releasing on PS.

It’s going to be interesting to see sales numbers for the next game. Right now, Sony has many deals with Activision, and Microsoft will definitely put it on Game Pass so:

Now: $ = PlayStation + Xbox
Next game: $ = PlayStation + Xbox + GamePass

Which one will make more money?

It's not about making more money, at least in the medium term. It's about shifting engagement.

 

[LordOfChaos]

I searched the first two pages...Is there a set timeframe for this? Is it the 10 years offered before? During this I read that indefinite deals are hard legally, I don't see a time frame though

If it's the same deal offered as before, 10 years will end into next gen, but also gives Sony plenty of time to spin up competitors.

 

[Corndog]

Yes but the finer details of the agreement needs to be known. Is Call of Duty staying on it with all content is the key because I believe Xbox will make exclusive modes exclusive maps etc down the line. This will happen 3 or more years from now. Could even get worse where they bring out a weapon that's completely op but it's only available on Xbox.

I think that was the original deal. No exclusive content.

 

[Fabieter]

I am going to assume once this deal closes, all COD games will be game pass within 1 week or so if closing the deal.

I do wonder about the price of Xbox game pass though. once they drop whole Activision games on Xbox / PC, I wonder if it will be the same price as before.

They already made it more expensive right before the deal closes. They will wait for a bit to raise it again, but it will get more expensive as time goes on ofc. Just like netflix. I wouldn't even be shocked if they would at one point get rid of day one gamepass games once they get enough marketshare back.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Sony could have probably negotiated far stronger terms for themselves back last fall, before the FTC's original decision.

Doubtful

Last fall everyone thought the deal would go through with no resistance

Sony, by waiting until the last possible moment, negotiated a much better deal as the public concessions and testimony under oath started to stack up

 

[Corndog]

The former, unless MS plans to significantly raise GP prices

Cord cutting streaming services happens all the time. What’s to stop a CoD only player from getting GP in November alone each year?

Because they want to play for more than a month.

 

[Fabieter]

It's not about making more money, at least in the medium term. It's about shifting engagement.

So loss leading to force competition down. Thank god to ms it cant be proven.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Because they want to play for more than a month.

Not if all they care about is CoD SP and Warzone

 

[hlm666]

they may not qualify for a "free automatic license" in the EU like cloud providers such as Boosteroid do

Those cloud providers do not get the game for free, the user has to buy it somewhere else to stream it on their service. For that license to work for psn Sony would have to let you stream the games you own on your account. No one is getting cod to stream for free ANYWHERE.

 

[Fitzchiv]

I expect a much more aggressive sony after this and in the end all consumers will lose.

What does a much more aggressive Sony look like?

This whole process has shown exactly how aggressive Sony have been for a long time.

 

[Corndog]

I am going to assume once this deal closes, all COD games will be game pass within 1 week or so if closing the deal.

I do wonder about the price of Xbox game pass though. once they drop whole Activision games on Xbox / PC, I wonder if it will be the same price as before.

It will go up eventually just like every streaming service.

 

[Chiggs]

Quakecon.

Believe !

(I have no idea lol)

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

The end result we all knew was coming. Well, all except the people making hundreds of posts about it in the acquisition thread

CoD alone generated almost a billion in revenue for Sony in 2021, of course they’re going to bend the knee.

Looks like ABK games are back on the menu, boys.

 

[Mister Wolf]

What does a much more aggressive Sony look like?

This whole process has shown exactly how aggressive Sony have been for a long time.

Yeah. This has been their game since taking Tomb Raider from the Sega Saturn. Microsoft has just been playing nice with them for too long. Honestly Microsoft should have been pulling this shit during the 360 era.

 

[willothedog]

Doubtful

Last fall everyone thought the deal would go through with no resistance

Sony, by waiting until the last possible moment, negotiated a much better deal as the public concessions and testimony under oath started to stack up

'much better deal'. I cannot find any details, what are the terms?

 

[sono]

Was that a condition of the ms acquisition of activision

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

'much better deal'. I cannot find any details, what are the terms?

Terms are likely the same as the latest contract offered was to legally bind statements made under oath the last few months

 

[M1987]

So will COD go on game pass straight away? I'm sure I heard something about 2025

 

[XXL]

Is this AB deal done? I haven't been keeping up with it.

 

[Flintty]

Alright bring on the next acquisition news.

Wednesday!

 

[M1987]

Is this AB deal done? I haven't been keeping up with it.

Not yet,but the fact that PlayStation have signed this deal makes it look like it will be done soon unfortunately

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Maybe, but I don't think Sony would even play ball with that sort of deal. I'd imagine for this deal to even be reached, required Xbox/Microsoft to refrain from making COD games exclusive to Xbox or Gamepass outright.
At most, I can see certain perks like gear or skins being made exclusive to Xbox platforms, or better discounts perhaps.

I don't think some of you are understanding just what a predicament Sony are in. They have zero negotiating power here, sadly. We're probably a day away from this deal closing, if it hasn't done so already and MS & ABK are just waiting to announce it Monday (which means I'm feeling MS & the CMA have probably come to some agreement, where MS & ABK can close in other markets and expect to close in the UK after a couple months or so from now). Sony are the ones potentially facing foreclosure of COD on their platform after 2024, not Microsoft.

If Microsoft decided to foreclose COD on PlayStation next year, Sony wouldn't have anything to replace it. I think both parties are cognizant of that, so while Sony likely have a 10-year deal, I don't think it's coming with things like automatic free cloud license, nor does it stop MS undercutting them on Day 1 COD B2P by launching a week early on Xbox & PC with Premium Editions (or whatever), then dropping on PS and Game Pass simultaneously (or sandwiching PS with a week early release of Premium Editions on Xbox & PC, then a week after PS release bring it out onto Game Pass).

Doubtful

Last fall everyone thought the deal would go through with no resistance

Sony, by waiting until the last possible moment, negotiated a much better deal as the public concessions and testimony under oath started to stack up

Personally would like to believe that, but two problems there:

1: Phil Spencer made that oath, not Microsoft. Remember when the FTC pressed him on binding MS to statements? He admitted right there that he could not bind MS as a corporation. So Phil Spencer made an oath; that doesn't mean Microsoft have made the same oath.

2: The oath was just WRT bringing COD out to PlayStation. Nothing really about the terms & conditions of how the game actually comes to PlayStation platforms, or how much it'll cost Sony to get certain access to the game. All of that could and likely is (IMO) unfavorable for them here.

 

[Basil King]

Maybe Sony can use this opportunity to make Killzone a thing again? Or Resistance? How about a first-party FPS?

If they want to waste money they can do that.
No one will play that (beyond launch month) as long as COD is around.

 

[DeepEnigma]

HA! Suck it PONIES! Call of Duty is STAYING ON PLAYSTATION! Take. The. L.

So true

 

[tmlDan]

Jimbo played this perfectly, forced them to make a 10- year deals after initially being offered nothing, then a 3 year deal, and now 10.

The future will be interesting, i have little hope it will be positive

 

[Negotiator101]

Father and Son?

 

[Thirty7ven]

Who cares anymore. Sony signed the agreement; they know what's in there and yet they've still signed it.

And we don’t. People out there praying it’s the same as the other contracts, but every contract was different.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Who cares about this thread!?
Look at that avatar!

 

[Fabieter]

What does a much more aggressive Sony look like?

This whole process has shown exactly how aggressive Sony have been for a long time.

Oh they were "aggressive" before but nothing out of industry norm. Sony will be more likely to buy bigger studios/publishers now. And besides consoles this will also make sure that other players like tencent will buy bigger than ever before.

 

[DAHGAMING]

I expect a much more aggressive sony after this and in the end all consumers will lose.

Nah mate Jim Ryan aint got the minerals, Big Phils ruthless, men want to be him and woman want to be with him.

 

[Sanepar]

I expect a much more aggressive sony after this and in the end all consumers will lose.

First they need money. At now I only see a weak Sony that need money to stay relevant.

 

[NeonGhost]

Is anyone else here hoping the older call of duty games get X enhanced now ? Would love to play some black ops 2 zombies in 4k