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Gamers Nexus - The Problem with Linus Tech Tips: Accuracy, Ethics, & Responsibility

StereoVsn

Member
When is Linus NOT shilling?
I could tell you, but I would rather tell you about our sponsor! šŸ˜‰

Thing is videos used to be more carefully done, with more editing time, and more attention to details. Mainstream LTT videos were also generally longer and more carefully scripted and thought out.

All that went to trash about 3-4 years ago when they decided to just start pumping out content. And that content was mainly trash plus a lot of shilling of their own merch.

And the shit they did with that cooling startup is inexcusable as well as sheer incompetence when reviewing of the gaming mouse. They then proceeded to trash reputation of both companies and products.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
Linus ā€œWe didnā€™t sell the cooler, we auctioned itā€

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What a fucking clown šŸ¤”

He should have picked the $100M, the value lost with this credibility war will cost him
 

UnNamed

Banned
I know I have posted some of Linus videos over the years as "data" that might influence someone purchase of PS tech but Steve points out a lot of flaws with their testing and reporting



If you type "bad faith" on wikipedia, they redirect you to this video: assumptions, decontestualized statements, false equivalences, etc.

Really guys, this is the type of video you make if you have guilty conscience or/and you want to start a clickbait war.

This regardless LTTs are good guys or a mafia.
 
You can tout how thorough your testing methods are without dragging somebody else name into it.PR person or not, he has poor etiquette. What's even more telling is that this was broadcasted, people are usually more tactful in the public eye, but not him.What you're saying is they should suffer him because they hired him, that's madness. No one is blindly blaming anybody, this man said something publicly he probably should not have. Incompetence would be allowing him to stay. At best he has displayed a lack of social awareness and business etiquette, at worst he's plain rude. You don't have to be a PR person to have interpersonal skills.

That's not how it works on high performance organizations. The blame is always ALWAYS on the manager/executive/ceo, for the simple reason that hiring the right people and putting them in the right places is 99% of their jobs.

I'm not saying that the guy didn't made something wrong, but it was expected and the one to blame is it's manager/higher up/whatever as there's no such a thing as "people should know" in serious company, if you go to a hospital and ask the guards to perform surgeries it is expected that they will kill someone.

Firing people up is not a fix is an issue, it costs company a lot of money because serious company's have severance packages, onboarding, knowledge transfer, and a lengthy hiring process with several steps that can take weeks of even months, this is not your average Wallmart where dumb incompetent managers that have no leadership or manage skills can simple fire whatever person they want when they are high into a power trip.

If Linus should fire someone he definitely should fire the person responsible for putting a camera and a mic into a random employee face. Being a manager it's not about to have power to fire people is about to have power to help people better do their jobs...
 
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Topher

Gold Member
not to mention this moron was comparing ps5gpu to 1060 at some point.

To be fair, GN used specific games available at launch (with 120fps modes) and attempted to find PC hardware that could match the game's performance on PS5. For Devil May Cry 5, the GTX 1060 was able to match PS5's performance. For Dirt 5, it was the GTX 1080. For Borderlands 3, it was the GTX 1070ti. So the context of comparing PS5 to 1060 was only in the context of a single game. In any case, the guy is far from a moron.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
If you type "bad faith" on wikipedia, they redirect you to this video: assumptions, decontestualized statements, false equivalences, etc.

Really guys, this is the type of video you make if you have guilty conscience or/and you want to start a clickbait war.

This regardless LTTs are good guys or a mafia.

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So LTT is above criticism. I watched full vid yesterday and I don't come to same conclusion at all.
 

DaGwaphics

Member
I was a little disappointed that neither side of this internet feud decided to compose a song, that's such a YT staple.

Seriously though, the best CPU/GPU reviewers always have a consistent and repeatable set of tests that they compare things to. I think gamers nexus and hub definitely have the edge in that area. Though I like the way that Daniel Owen conducts his comparisons as well, where he tests against the settings the cards will usually be used at and not just at ultra.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
make that 3 youtubers douche

can't stand gn holier than thou attitude when they themselves fubar their own sensationalized videos

the recent asus am5 vsoc bit?
well it's tech peesus measuring incorrectly.
asus clarified but peesus did not revised their video accusations.





how about tech peesus also putting down another youtubers igor about pcie5 power connector?

turns out igor findings are valid too. Intel and Nvidia are changing the physical connectors.

no corrections from nexass too





Igor's findings, or lack of it actually since he never replicated the problem, have nothing to do with the connector revision. Steve's findings (and likely Nvidia also found it before anyway), correlates directly to the connector revision : If users do not connect the cable correctly, the pins still sense that it was seated and tell the PSU to send power anyway, creating the problem we all saw. Offsetting the 4 sensor pins means that if the 12-pin is not seated properly, PSU doesn't send power.

Tada!

Nothing related to Igor. Not even sure how that's not clear.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
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So LTT is above criticism. I watched full vid yesterday and I don't come to same conclusion at all.
I didn't understand his statement either and if someone actually watches the video (which is approaching 2 million views) the first shots fired were from LTT anyhow taking shots at GN and Hardware Unboxed.

Likely Steve never makes that video if that guy giving the LTT labs tour would have kept his mouth shut
 

Fuz

Banned
I could tell you, but I would rather tell you about our sponsor! šŸ˜‰


 

damidu

Member
To be fair, GN used specific games available at launch (with 120fps modes) and attempted to find PC hardware that could match the game's performance on PS5. For Devil May Cry 5, the GTX 1060 was able to match PS5's performance. For Dirt 5, it was the GTX 1080. For Borderlands 3, it was the GTX 1070ti. So the context of comparing PS5 to 1060 was only in the context of a single game. In any case, the guy is far from a moron.
nah he definitely went for a pc master race narrative, trying to prove a $500 pc can ā€œrivalā€ ps5
along the way all his tests 120fps modes etc. were cherry picked towards that impossible narrative.

not even mentioning that he was conveniently skipping a bluray drive, dualsense for his build or the fact that there is a $400 priced ps5

it was a stupid video through and through.

and didnā€™t saw any sign of brilliance on their other videos as well, they are basically tearing down and benchmarking stuff with a smug ā€œyour neighborhood dork got youtube money" attitude
(which tbf seems like common thing among these tech channel weirdos)
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
If you type "bad faith" on wikipedia, they redirect you to this video: assumptions, decontestualized statements, false equivalences, etc.

Really guys, this is the type of video you make if you have guilty conscience or/and you want to start a clickbait war.

This regardless LTTs are good guys or a mafia.

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crumbs

Member
You could see this problem coming when Linus started hyping up the LTT Labs project. For years. his channels have been goofy, sponsored tech "lifestyle" content farms, so trying to get serious about reviews now seems like a total waste of money and resources. Why would anyone take them seriously when it seems like half their employees have received an "extreme tech upgrades" at home from Intel (and now AMD)? Linus doesn't seem to understand that you can't be both a sponsored shill and a serious review outlet.

Also, the mask really slipped during that WAN show segment about Billet Labs. It was incredibly tone deaf for a multi-millionaire to claim he wouldn't spend a couple hundred bucks to fix LTT's complete cock-up of the Billet Labs project. Or that it wasn't worth correcting since the product was expensive and over-the-top. How many videos are on LMG channels hyping ridiculous products that "no one should buy"? I doubt LTT would treat an absurdly expensive Origin PC build like that. Of course, Origin sponsors videos on LTT, but Billet Labs is a small start-up that does not.
 

Celcius

Ā°Temp. member
Imagine if GN had published this video before LTT published the video about Linus stepping down as CEO
 
Linus responded on the LTT forums:




"There won't be a big WAN Show segment about this or anything. Most of what I have to say, I've already said, and I've done so privately.

To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of their prototype). There are other issues, but I've told him that I won't be drawn into a public sniping match over this and that I'll be continuing to move forward in good faith as part of 'Team Media'. When/if he's ready to do so again I'll be ready.

To my team (and my CEO's team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we've been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it's clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, but that's no excuse for sloppiness.

Now, for my community, all I can say is the same things I always say. We know that we're not perfect. We wear our imperfection on our sleeves in the interest of ensuring that we stay accountable to you. But it's sad and unfortunate when this transparency gets warped into a bad thing. The Labs team is hard at work hard creating processes and tools to generate data that will benefit all consumers - a work in progress that is very much not done and that we've communicated needs to be treated as such. Do we have notes under some videos? Yes. Is it because we are striving for transparency/improvement? Yeah... What we're doing hasn't been in many years, if ever.. and we would make a much larger correction if the circumstances merited it. Listing the wrong amount of cache on a table for a CPU review is sloppy, but given that our conclusions are drawn based on our testing, not the spec sheet, it doesn't materially change the recommendation. That doesn't mean these things don't matter. We've set KPIs for our writing/labs team around accuracy, and we are continually installing new checks and balances to ensure that things continue to get better. If you haven't seen the improvement, frankly I wonder if you're really looking for it... The thoroughness that we managed on our last handful of GPU videos is getting really incredible given the limited time we have for these embargoes. I'm REALLY excited about what the future will hold.

With all of that said, I still disagree that the Billet Labs video (not the situation with the return, which I've already addressed above) is an 'accuracy' issue. It's more like I just read the room wrong. We COULD have re-tested it with perfect accuracy, but to do so PROPERLY - accounting for which cases it could be installed in (none) and which radiators it would be plumbed with (again... mystery) would have been impossible... and also didn't affect the conclusion of the video... OR SO I THOUGHT...

I wanted to evaluate it as a product, and as a product, IF it could manage to compete with the temperatures of the highest end blocks on the planet, it still wouldn't make sense to buy... so from my point of view, re-testing it and finding out that yes, it did in fact run cooler made no difference to the conclusion, so it didn't really make a difference.

Adam and I were talking about this today. He advocated for re-testing it regardless of how non-viable it was as a product at the time and I think he expressed really well today why it mattered. It was like making a video about a supercar. It doesn't mater if no one watching will buy it. They just wanna see it rip. I missed that, but it wasn't because I didn't care about the consumer.. it was because I was so focused on how this product impacted a potential buyer. Either way, clearly my bad, but my intention was never to harm Billet Labs. I specifically called out their incredible machining skills because I wanted to see them create something with a viable market for it and was hoping others would appreciate the fineness of the craftsmanship even if the product was impractical. I still hope they move forward building something else because they obviously have talent and I've watched countless niche water cooling vendors come and go. It's an astonishingly unforgiving market.

Either way, I'm sorry I got the community's priorities mixed-up on this one, and that we didn't show the Billet in the best light. Our intention wasn't to hurt anyone. We wanted no one to buy it (because it's an egregious waste of money no matter what temps it runs at) and we wanted Billet to make something marketable (so they can, y'know, eat).

With all of this in mind, it saddens me how quickly the pitchforks were raised over this. It also comes across a touch hypocritical when some basic due diligence could have helped clarify much of it. I have a LONG history of meeting issues head on and I've never been afraid to answer questions, which lands me in hot water regularly, but helps keep me in tune with my peers and with the community. The only reason I can think of not to ask me is because my honest response might be inconvenient.

We can test that... with this post. Will the "It was a mistake (a bad one, but a mistake) and they're taking care of it" reality manage to have the same reach? Let's see if anyone actually wants to know what happened. I hope so, but it's been disheartening seeing how many people were willing to jump on us here. Believe it or not, I'm a real person and so is the rest of my team. We are trying our best, and if what we were doing was easy, everyone would do it. Today sucks.

Thanks for reading this."
Linus can't take the L, he is arrogant and has the kind of mindset of a person who don't accept criticism.
Thankfully there a people there calling out his bullshit.
I watched just a few videos from his channel and now I will never give a click again.
 

Lysandros

Member
To be fair, GN used specific games available at launch (with 120fps modes) and attempted to find PC hardware that could match the game's performance on PS5. For Devil May Cry 5, the GTX 1060 was able to match PS5's performance. For Dirt 5, it was the GTX 1080. For Borderlands 3, it was the GTX 1070ti. So the context of comparing PS5 to 1060 was only in the context of a single game. In any case, the guy is far from a moron.
What about his precise statement about PS5 power level? He said it was equivalent to a mid range PC GPU from three years ago overall (in 2020), did you agree with him? Why he avoided making such statements in his XSX analysis video, which at time performed the same or worse compared to PS5? It was clear as day that he had a pretty low esteem for the PS5 hardware and influenced his audiences accordingly. As a side note i personally find his attitude somewhat arrogant and repulsive in general, somewhat akin to Great Dictator. I don't care about Linus whatsoever.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
I didn't understand his statement either and if someone actually watches the video (which is approaching 2 million views) the first shots fired were from LTT anyhow taking shots at GN and Hardware Unboxed.

Likely Steve never makes that video if that guy giving the LTT labs tour would have kept his mouth shut

Linus wagging his finger at other "content creators" for how they responded to Linus' employee certainly didn't de-escalate the situation either. What he should have done is had a private meeting with his employees and say "don't do that shit again" and publicly just leave it alone and let Hardware Unboxed get their counter punches in as they certainly had a right to do. Instead he acted superior and GN went nuclear on his ass. Brought all of this on himself.

nah he definitely went for a pc master race narrative, trying to prove a $500 pc build can ā€œrivalā€ ps5
along the way all his tests 120fps modes etc. were cherry picked towards that impossible narrative.

not even mentioning that he was conveniently skipping a bluray drive, dualsense for his build or the fact that there is a $400 priced ps5

it was a stupid video through and through.

and didnā€™t saw any sign of brilliance on their videos as well, they are basically tearing down and benchmarking stuff with a smug ā€œyour neighborhood dork got youtube money attitudeā€
(which seems like common thing among these tech channels)

He didn't price out a PC in the entire video. He just stated what CPU they were using and then changed out the GPU and never mentioning how much it would cost. What he did say about price/performance was that it didn't make a lot of sense to compare PCs to consoles as they have different roles. He explicitly said not everyone wants to build a PC. And yes, he did referenced the $400 PS5 DE. But the video was certainly not trying to prove a $500 PC could rival a PS5. His take away as far as price was concerned was that high end PC gaming was much more expensive and consoles were much more accessible. That's pretty much it. At no point did he say "here is your $500 that rivals the PS5". Just did not happen.

Also yes, his tests were 120fps as he wanted uncapped frame rate comparisons which makes sense. This isn't like console comparisons where DF does pixel counting at points in the game. A lot of PC games do not have dynamic resolution so frame rate is the only metric available and certainly more reliable than pixel counting regardless. Typically if a console game doesn't have a 120fps modes then it is capped at 60fps. So these games were really the only ones available that would allow a proper comparison. That's not cherry picking.

What about his precise statement about PS5 power level? He said it was equivalent to a mid range PC GPU from three years ago overall (in 2020), did you agree with him? Why he avoided making such statements in his XSX analysis video, which at time performed the same or worse compared to PS5? It was clear as day that he had a pretty low esteem for the PS5 hardware and influenced his audiences accordingly. As a side note i personally find his attitude somewhat arrogant and repulsive in general, somewhat akin to Great Dictator. I don't care about Linus whatsoever.

He said it was equivalent to a "mid to high" GPU of three years prior and that was based solely on rasterization. I mean.....he presented the data in the video. I certainly don't think he made all that up. What do you think the PC equivalent of the PS5 GPU is?
 
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Bry0

Member
nah he definitely went for a pc master race narrative, trying to prove a $500 pc can ā€œrivalā€ ps5
along the way all his tests 120fps modes etc. were cherry picked towards that impossible narrative.

not even mentioning that he was conveniently skipping a bluray drive, dualsense for his build or the fact that there is a $400 priced ps5

it was a stupid video through and through.

and didnā€™t saw any sign of brilliance on their other videos as well, they are basically tearing down and benchmarking stuff with a smug ā€œyour neighborhood dork got youtube money" attitude
(which tbf seems like common thing among these tech channels)
heā€™s a pc hardware channel, why would he need a dualsense and a blu ray drive for a pc to compare some graphics cards to how the console runs games? Sound to me like you took it way too seriously tbh.
 

Eotheod

Member
Linus wagging his finger at other "content creators" for how they responded to Linus' employee certainly didn't de-escalate the situation either. What he should have done is had a private meeting with his employees and say "don't do that shit again" and publicly just leave it alone and let Hardware Unboxed get their counter punches in as they certainly had a right to do. Instead he acted superior and GN went nuclear on his ass. Brought all of this on himself.



He didn't price out a PC in the entire video. He just stated what CPU they were using and then changed out the GPU and never mentioning how much it would cost. What he did say about price/performance was that it didn't make a lot of sense to compare PCs to consoles as they have different roles. He explicitly said not everyone wants to build a PC. And yes, he did referenced the $400 PS5 DE. But the video was certainly not trying to prove a $500 PC could rival a PS5. He take away as far as price was concerned was that high end PC gaming was much more expensive and consoles were much more accessible. That's pretty much it. At no point did he say "here is your $500 that rivals the PS5". Just did not happen.

Also yes, his tests were 120fps as he wanted uncapped frame rate comparisons which makes sense. This isn't like console comparisons where DF does pixel counting at points in the game. A lot of PC games do not have dynamic resolution so frame rate is the only metric available and certainly more reliable than pixel counting regardless. Typically if a console game doesn't have a 120fps modes then it is capped at 60fps. So these games were really the only ones available that would allow a proper comparison. That's not cherry picking.



He said it was equivalent to a "mid to high" GPU of three years prior and that was based solely on rasterization. I mean.....he presented the data in the video. I certainly don't think he made all that up. What do you think the PC equivalent of the PS5 GPU is?
I wouldn't bother, there's some stupid grudge being held with GN and certain PS owners that think their machine got invalidated or something. Despite Steve very clearly saying that wasn't the intent, and it was purely educational.
 

buenoblue

Member
I get what you say about Steve (Gamers Nexus). For a long time I didn't watch the videos because he irritated me. Maybe that was me just judging him too quickly and I don't mean this in a bad way at all but it seems that's just his personality. I like that he "hates everything" because you know he's not going to be gushing over this product or that brand. He "hates" everything equally so in a way I think he holds everything to the same standards and is just hard to impress. If he does praise something then you know he means it. I can't even remember what it was but one of the videos I watched he was really impressed with a product and it felt odd that he was so positive about it lol.

GN is definitely more niche and obtuse content compared to LTT/Hardware Unboxed/Jayz but I respect Steve and his channel. They do good work and hold companies... and fellow youtubers to account.

If I want actual information about whether I should buy a product I will definitely watch a gamer nexus vid about it. I just wouldn't watch them for funzies. Where as LLT stuff lately I'm like laughing and feeling wtf are they doing.
 

Zimmy68

Member
I just love seeing the start of the video where the idiot calls out GN and Linus thinks he is making some good natured ribbing against the other test sites.
Then Gamers Nexus just casually brings out the Infinity Gauntlet and snaps their fingers.
 

DryvBy

Member
This is the problem with the "first!" content we get on the Internet. Everything is a first draft but they act like they've done a ton of work. Almost every single video channel that's popular is based on the quantity over quality mentality so expect the next Linus to be the same way.
 
I know who he is. And it's the second time you get triggered and post "GOOGLE HIM BEFORE YOU POST!!1!".
He ignores his razor too.
He's an actor you šŸ¤”. That's how his character has to look like in the series.

So how the fuck do you compare someone who uses an avatar from an Actor with a real life person like Linus???šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø
 

Fuz

Banned
He's an actor you šŸ¤”. That's how his character has to look like in the series.

So how the fuck do you compare someone who uses an avatar from an Actor with a real life person like Linus???šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø
I told you already I know who he is, but you're apparently not smart enough to understand what you read.

Triggered by a beard, of all the stupid things I witnessed...
 

adamosmaki

Member
What about his precise statement about PS5 power level? He said it was equivalent to a mid range PC GPU from three years ago overall (in 2020), did you agree with him? Why he avoided making such statements in his XSX analysis video, which at time performed the same or worse compared to PS5? It was clear as day that he had a pretty low esteem for the PS5 hardware and influenced his audiences accordingly. As a side note i personally find his attitude somewhat arrogant and repulsive in general, somewhat akin to Great Dictator. I don't care about Linus whatsoever.
He didnt said anything crazy or wrong and if you look at the numbers and what it took to play games at a a similar ps5 level back in 2020 it is equivalent to that at least in rasterization and more precisely to a 5700xt or thereabouts ( rtx 2070/2070 super ).
 

Soltype

Member
That's not how it works on high performance organizations. The blame is always ALWAYS on the manager/executive/ceo, for the simple reason that hiring the right people and putting them in the right places is 99% of their jobs.

I'm not saying that the guy didn't made something wrong, but it was expected and the one to blame is it's manager/higher up/whatever as there's no such a thing as "people should know" in serious company, if you go to a hospital and ask the guards to perform surgeries it is expected that they will kill someone.

Firing people up is not a fix is an issue, it costs company a lot of money because serious company's have severance packages, onboarding, knowledge transfer, and a lengthy hiring process with several steps that can take weeks of even months, this is not your average Wallmart where dumb incompetent managers that have no leadership or manage skills can simple fire whatever person they want when they are high into a power trip.

If Linus should fire someone he definitely should fire the person responsible for putting a camera and a mic into a random employee face. Being a manager it's not about to have power to fire people is about to have power to help people better do their jobs...
First off you don't know why he responded the way he did, he could be on drugs, he could be uncomfortable on camera, he could be going through something, etc. Camera or not, what he did is bad etiquette. He's displaying a lack of interpersonal skills, whether this is a new development or not I don't know. As a manager you're supposed to help people be better at their jobs, not be better people, you are not their parent. Like I said it's crazy to think a company should suffer someone until they become mature enough to not respond in this manner, this isn't grade school. If your excuse for a bad behavior is "I was on camera", you got to go.
 

damidu

Member
heā€™s a pc hardware channel, why would he need a dualsense and a blu ray drive for a pc to compare some graphics cards to how the console runs games? Sound to me like you took it way too seriously tbh.
come on. he set out for a ps5 equivalent build for $500, which is pretty much impossible even today.
thats the stupidity of whole premise.

i dont need a bluray drive to play games on my ps5 either.

but if he took $400 digital edition as target he pretty much knows he will be left with a $150 budget for his cpu /gpu combo on this ā€œmythical buildā€

i donā€™t take him seriously at all, just have allergy towards obnoxious know it all types, especially when they canā€™t even backup the facade
 

Bry0

Member
come on. he set out for a ps5 equivalent build for $500, which is pretty much impossible even today.
thats the stupidity of whole premise.
the video description literally says ā€œFirst, as stated in the conclusion, there's a place for both PCs and consoles and it's not as simple as a price-for-price comparison.ā€ He did not set out to build a $500 pc, that was not the premise at all.

Linus did do a $500 build quite recently however. šŸ˜‚
 
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Topher

Gold Member
come on. he set out for a ps5 equivalent build for $500, which is pretty much impossible even today.
thats the stupidity of whole premise.

i dont need a bluray drive to play games on my ps5 either.

but if he took $400 digital edition as target he pretty much knows he will be left with a $150 budget for his cpu /gpu combo on this ā€œmythical buildā€

i donā€™t take him seriously at all, just have allergy towards obnoxious know it all types, especially when they canā€™t even backup the facade

You must be talking about a different video, dude. He didn't create a PC build at all. Only parts he identified were CPU and GPU.

Here is the video:

 

DonkeyPunchJr

Worldā€™s Biggest Weeb
come on. he set out for a ps5 equivalent build for $500, which is pretty much impossible even today.
thats the stupidity of whole premise.

i dont need a bluray drive to play games on my ps5 either.

but if he took $400 digital edition as target he pretty much knows he will be left with a $150 budget for his cpu /gpu combo on this ā€œmythical buildā€

i donā€™t take him seriously at all, just have allergy towards obnoxious know it all types, especially when they canā€™t even backup the facade
Come on man, these kind of ā€œhow does it compare to a similarly priced PCā€ / ā€œwhat kind of PC do you need to match itā€ comparison videos pop up every time a new console comes out.

Theyā€™re mainly for entertainment value and to satisfy your curiosity. Nobody watched this video, went out and bought a $500 PC, and then was like ā€œoh FUCK ME Steve neglected to mention the $400 digital PS5, I wouldā€™ve gone with that if GN had informed be about it!ā€

Sounds like youā€™re just salty because they poured a little cold water on the PS5 hype train.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
The guy straight up claimed he cares more about money than the accuracy of his content. This should be career ending for any youtuber/reviewer.
Although since his fanbase is affected by stockholm syndrome, nothing will happen.

For like $500

Incredible how stupid they are. They're RICH. Why are you sacrificing credibility for $500.
 

Bry0

Member
The guy straight up claimed he cares more about money than the accuracy of his content. This should be career ending for any youtuber/reviewer.
Although since his fanbase is affected by stockholm syndrome, nothing will happen.
Yeah Iā€™m surprised he straight up said that on their podcast. I feel like heā€™s not really fit for this role. He needs help or something, because he hasnā€™t managed this expansion well at all imo. The quality is really suffering.
 

damidu

Member
the video description literally says ā€œFirst, as stated in the conclusion, there's a place for both PCs and consoles and it's not as simple as a price-for-price comparison.ā€ He did not set out to build a $500 pc, that was not the premise at all.

Linus did do a $500 build quite recently however. šŸ˜‚
pretty sure he edited it several times after being put in his place.

You must be talking about a different video, dude. He didn't create a PC build at all. Only parts he identified were CPU and GPU.

Here is the video:


lo!l the clickbait thumbnail alone makes my case

Sounds like youā€™re just salty because they poured a little cold water on the PS5 hype train.

just lol
 
First off you don't know why he responded the way he did, he could be on drugs, he could be uncomfortable on camera, he could be going through something, etc. Camera or not, what he did is bad etiquette. He's displaying a lack of interpersonal skills, whether this is a new development or not I don't know. As a manager you're supposed to help people be better at their jobs, not be better people, you are not their parent. Like I said it's crazy to think a company should suffer someone until they become mature enough to not respond in this manner, this isn't grade school. If your excuse for a bad behavior is "I was on camera", you got to go.
Companies dump and dunk one on another all the time like Coke and Pepsi, MacDonalds and Burger King the rules change from place to place as it should.

I'm sorry but not such a thing as "bad etiquette" happened in this incident, each business have their own set of rules and those rules should be presented to the employees during the onboarding process and also reinforced through training through the employees lifecycle at the company.

What the guy said was pretty mild and normal, and although we can argue that it was of bad taste that type of behavior would not seem as "wrong" or "offensive" at the day to day setting, a manager job is not to fire people, if a manager fires a employee that's a gigantic red flag and sign of incompetence as the company spent money in the hiring process to make sure it would filter bad fits... If the problem was not the hiring then it was the training... If it was not the training then it was the fact that the company's managers don't actively work on reinforce the company's values or at least PR train their employees that are going to be on the fucking spotlight with a camera and mic.

Any respectful company should fire a manager with ideas like yours on the spot, because the person is not only trying to retaliate against an employee that made a mistake (which MUST HAVE BEEN EASILY PREVENTED by properly training and instruction), the person is clearly incompetent by not doing their own job properly(guide/lead) in addition to also acting against the company interest of spending resources diligently.
 
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nah he definitely went for a pc master race narrative, trying to prove a $500 pc can ā€œrivalā€ ps5
along the way all his tests 120fps modes etc. were cherry picked towards that impossible narrative.

not even mentioning that he was conveniently skipping a bluray drive, dualsense for his build or the fact that there is a $400 priced ps5

it was a stupid video through and through.

and didnā€™t saw any sign of brilliance on their other videos as well, they are basically tearing down and benchmarking stuff with a smug ā€œyour neighborhood dork got youtube money" attitude
(which tbf seems like common thing among these tech channel weirdos)
If that's really what you get out of Gamers Nexus, I think Cocomelon is a better fit for you, much less brain power required to understand anything.

GN is legit as fuck, probably the most detailed testing on any computer hardware on the internet. Anyone arguing Steve has an agenda to push on anything is a fucking moron, full stop. His entire channel is as neutral as it gets.
 
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