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Windows Central: Microsoft exploring bringing back catalog to Nintendo and PlayStation
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Are we finally going to get the Halo trilogy on Playstation? Day fucking one, I'll even pre-order.
Heisenberg007
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buenoblue
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Microsoft are are desperate not "not afraid" lol
Varteras
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mansoor1980
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justifies the 70 billion purchase honestly speaking
Yoboman
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The more I think not his the more it makes sense
I think the days of Xbox achieving a 80+ million selling console is over
But conversely I don't see them dropping below 40 million even if all their games were multiplat. Maybe the better business choice is to to get software revenue wherever you can while having a minor player of a console
I think the days of Xbox achieving a 80+ million selling console is over
But conversely I don't see them dropping below 40 million even if all their games were multiplat. Maybe the better business choice is to to get software revenue wherever you can while having a minor player of a console
YeulEmeralda
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Right? I honestly struggle to name anything I'd want to play from them.
They bought Obsidian and inXile but they're relegated to make normie games now so whatever.
freefornow
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GHG
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Some of the things said in those clips are wild.
But the comparison to McDonald's was very apt given what's going on.
Daneel Elijah
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English is not my first language, so sorry if my post was misunderstood. When I said regardless I was meaning without even talking about it. As I said it first, only Nintendo could be crazy enough to be unhappy about that. If this does not imply some praise of Microsoft games, I will have to be more explicit next time. And again, I really did not understand your post, that why I asked for clarifications.
Mibu no ookami
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WB and Disney both made the same mistake with HBO Max and Disney Plus, but they backed off of it.
They're still all ruining the box office returns of movies because it's so easy to just wait and watch a movie on streaming because you don't have to pay for it individually. With physical media you had to at the very least rent the thing individually.
PC is better this way, in the last 20 yrs, we've seen how the internet improved but it didn't change our perception a bit, still, %70 of the people won't buy the streaming concept for another decades, they'll still have to deal with the cost of keeping the service alive. I've no discrimination against keeping a 2 grands pc build and upgrade it every 6 years.
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midnightAI
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They think, and I don't completely disagree BTW, their contents worth more than how the public perception see it.
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Roxkis_ii
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They probably figured out that their current console base, and game pass isn't going to be enough to maintain all the studios they bought.
They already devalued their console by releasing games day and date on PC and game pass, so might as well release games to an audience that is willing to buy games on other consoles.
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Mibu no ookami
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I don't think they have much to gain to be honest.
I think ABK was largely in decline, I think Bethesda was largely in decline, and I think MGS was largely in decline.
I'm not sure how much interest they have on PlayStation and they're already on PC.
Non-Nintendo Software still doesn't sell super well on Switch with few exceptions like Hogwarts Legacy.
I think they have to entirely readjust their goals as a company to just be a modest but large 3rd party publisher, but in a world where there's only PlayStation as a premium console, it makes everyone essentially a 2nd party publisher.
I don't really envision a future where they're really creating bangers. I don't see them managing their studios well unless they get an entirely new leadership team that makes changes across the board. So many of their IP are dead and will be difficult to bring back to life.
Porting Forza to PS5 isn't going to sell millions of copies of it. No one on PS5 wants Forza.
I think they'll have some limited success with legacy titles like Master Chief Collection, Gears Trilogy, and maybe more recently Flight Simulator... but that's about it. Even more limited success with Sea of Thieves and HiFi Rush.
Mibu no ookami
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This is exactly what it is. You're looking at potentially costing A LOT of people their jobs with the existing strategy. The math just doesn't add up.
The calculus is to not make Activision Blizzard games exclusive, but maybe a game like Diablo 5 is 1 year, 6 months, or 3 months, exclusive on Xbox or something. But then you have to ask if ABK games aren't exclusive, why would Bethesda games be. And it'll be the same thing there, like 1 year exclusive by default. Then you have to ask yourself about Microsoft proper games.
The day that Halo is on PS5, Xbox is dead.
Roxkis_ii
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Man, if I'm at Microsoft and we need to start making money fast, throwing the Master Chief Collection on PS5 for $60 would probably be a way to move a few million units lol. If they're in for a penny, might as well be in for a pound.
I think the Xbox brand days are numbered anyhow.
solidus12
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Feels like yesterday when Colt was bragging about Xbox Exclusives.
Heisenberg007
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We'll eventually get to that point, but there will have to some foreplay before that.
Hi-Fi Rush, Ori, Sea of Thieves, etc. are part of that foreplay.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Well, it depends. If MS remains in the console business, they'll still have a closed garden with tens of millions of potential customers for their exclusive first party games. But if they leave the console business and become a third party publisher with an optional cloud gaming service, things will change drastically. Because then those millions of Xbox console gamers will be leaving the closed garden forever and move over to Sony's closed garden. Then Forza has to directly compete with Gran Turismo and without the built-in sales a closed market guarantees, it could be that in this new brave 3rd party world Forza won't sell enough anymore to be a viable IP. And there could be more genre games published by MS that will fall by the wayside because the console/PC market has become too crowded and competitive for all of those MS published games to survive.
Yeah, it feels like an escape when there is no escape tbh, I'm in the real estate industry and I completely understand the situation.
Mibu no ookami
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I think MCC if its a strong port without many issues, would sell probably 4-6 million copies on PS5.
Not sure that it's worth the damage to the brand for 360 million in revenue, 108 million of which goes directly to sony, not to mention the development cost for the port.
The days are numbered, but I think they have to play the long game to prevent a mass exodus on Xbox Series and GamePass.
When Sonic Adventure was ported to Gamecube, Dreamcast had already been discontinued, but that's when you knew Sega was really kind of dead in the water.
But to your point, Sega made a huge mistake not porting the games to PS2 and only porting them to Gamecube. They would later come to PS3 but by then it was too late. I wonder when it is too late for MCC. It's been out for a decade and came to PC 4 years ago.
Mibu no ookami
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When you put Forza on PlayStation, you're making a bet that more PlayStation users will buy Forza than Xbox players would buy Gran
Turismo, if they buy PlayStations.
You don't have a closed market guarantee, but you do at least have a predisposed fanbase and there might be people who double dip.
The other thing Microsoft might want to do is release a licensed version of the Xbox controllers on PlayStation 5.
Putonahappyface
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thatJohann
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I think this is great. Would love to see this games on PS5 so I can keep having one console.
anothertech
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The Console War
Ronin_7
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It's a ton shit of studios to maintain for sure.
Most studios aren't launching games on a regular basis and might take 6+ years, you gotta pay 6 years of salaries and the game might flop completely.
Owning stocks and bashing the same brand that you have shares with sounds suspicious, that doesn't up his credibility a bit, that's what investers actually say, invest in what you like.
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freefornow
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Phil already stated that they lost the console war with the release of Xbox One.
GHG
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Strange take.
He's most likely an investor in the stock (most people who have money in US equities will be in some way due to the dominant weighting Microsoft has in the major indices) and he has the ability to understand that Xbox is barely a footnote in the overall picture for the company.
That means Xbox has minimal impact on the performance of the stock, so people should be free to discuss the chronic underachievement of the division without fear of it having any negative impact on their investment.
I don't know what you expect him to do or say.
It feels so orchestrated, other than the CFO letting the cat out of the bag before the Xmas sales were over.
By it, I mean get a handful of twitter personalities to start discussing bad news before its official. By the time its official new narrative --> they don't care about console wars, they just want to bring games to where players are because they are the good guys. (Edit: this is not a bad thing though)
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Astray
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Yep.
Literally just a few days ago their podcast hosts were fretting about exclusives going to other systems lmao.
Giallo Corsa
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Astray
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I think someone in there realized that they can't put the toothpaste back in, and decided to try and get as much goodboi points for being nice people who totally didn't need to port things to competitor systems.
Also something something post-console future something something plastic boxes.
DaGwaphics
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I guess I've begun to except the idea. If MS needs to pass on some stale fruit to keep me entertained with great games on GP, I can deal with it.
These things are a shock to the console warrior system, you have to give us a chance to take things in and recover.
These things are a shock to the console warrior system, you have to give us a chance to take things in and recover.
GHG
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This is getting ridiculous:
And hilariously he thinks they can change the licensing agreement with 3rd parties for people's libraries:
EULA's that are agreed upon at the point of purchase clearly state non-transferable, but he thinks they can be retroactively changed? Never going to happen. This is the standard black and white that he clearly never reads before clicking "agree" :
And hilariously he thinks they can change the licensing agreement with 3rd parties for people's libraries:
EULA's that are agreed upon at the point of purchase clearly state non-transferable, but he thinks they can be retroactively changed? Never going to happen. This is the standard black and white that he clearly never reads before clicking "agree" :
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DaGwaphics
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I think he's looking forward to streaming only or something like that. I have several purchases that moved over from 360 to Xbox 1 and then to Xbox Series. The entire PS4 library moved over to PS5. It's not that much of stretch to say that if the PS11 is a streaming only device that they couldn't move your purchases over there.