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[Humdinger]

They are probably backpeddling because they don't want to be held responsible for suicides.

 

[Punished Miku]

Be strong, buddy. People of your kind are dropping like flies. We need you as we need competition

Anything I say is your entertainment. Best to just not say anything. I got it.

 

[bender]

I don't think Punished Miku is crazy with his thoughts though I think they backed into a lot of those AA games rather than it being their focus.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Anything I say is your entertainment. Best to just not say anything. I got it.

i dont undestand what you just said, but it makes me happy you are still here with us.

 

[GHG]

Do it yourself. Look at MS games list.

Pentiment? Hi Fi Rush? 2 games that were in development prior to them making acquisitions, what else recently?

Save me from these pointless clarifications. Dont agree if you dont. But its clear what I am saying.

It's not clear man, hence people are engaging with you in discussion to get clarity on what you mean.

Why you're only wanting to draw comparisons to what Sony are doing instead of considering the broader gaming landscape I don't know. And even if you are to only consider Sony what you're suggesting is still questionable considering some of their more recent partnerships with the likes of ember labs, enhance and annapurna.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

What Tom actually said was that people within XBOX don’t really know what MICROSOFT is going to say/do….the wording is key.

Think about it.

This is pretty exciting to be honest
We could even record a reaction video with Phil

 

[sendit]

Do it yourself. Look at MS games list.

Save me from these pointless clarifications. Dont agree if you dont. But its clear what I am saying.

Fine. Im talking about consoles in shorthand and generalizing industry trends broadly. Just let me make a point. This is why I bought Series consoles. Sony is all AAA. I literally dont know why I have to fight on even this. Its exhausting.

You couldn't be further from the truth. Did you watch their last State of Play (or any for that matter, they suck and are uninteresting because they highlight a lot of AA titles)? Are you aware of the games that are on Playstation Plus? Majority of the games that are being released on the Playstation platform are not AAA.

Microsoft is a premier company, a major player in cloud compute, leading the charge with AI, etc...They should be known for pushing the AAA gaming standard (whatever bar that is...). Which they aren't, which is one of the reasons why they're failing to scale and expand their Xbox business.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

me, reading these xbox-ded threads while knowing exactly 0 facts

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

me, reading these xbox-ded threads while knowing exactly 0 facts

Only a week or so more of this

 

[Punished Miku]

Microsoft is a premier company, a major player in cloud compute, leading the charge with AI, etc...They should be known for pushing the AAA gaming standard (whatever bar that is...). Which they aren't

Yeah that's what I just said. They're pushing mostly AA games. The only disagreement is that I like that.

 

[Topher]

Only a week or so more of this

What are we on? Day two? Getting tense in here.

 

[BlueLyria]

We watching a live account suicide here boys?

 

[bender]

Why you're only wanting to draw comparisons to what Sony are doing instead of considering the broader gaming landscape I don't know. And even if you are to only consider Sony what you're suggesting is still questionable considering some of their more recent partnerships with the likes of ember labs, enhance and annapurna.

Right or wrong, PlayStation and Xbox are seen as the main competition of one another. And if you have history with the platforms, it's natural to look at where they are today and what they did in the past. I know I long for Sony's past even if that past included God of War which is one of the first snowballs that rolled down the hill to their AAA game development today. I don't really care for Sony's modern output but I don't begrudge the path they've taken as it is widely successful. And their outsourced efforts don't fill the holes that their internal efforts used to. Win the masses with the spectacle, win the hearts with the meaningful.

I do think Game Pass had added exposure on consoles to games with broader spectrums of game budgets. I think that's more by necessity of trying to fill out a games catalogue rather than being altruistic. And like you mentioned, they backed into some AA titles by means of acquisition so it's hard to pat them on the back for that though I guess they could have stopped production on those titles.

Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft have had various pushes throughout the years for smaller titles that tends to be moved to the background after brief stints in the forefront.

 

[Punished Miku]

We watching a live account suicide here boys?

Pointless to talk to people on here. Clearly.

 

[sendit]

Yeah that's what I just said. They're pushing mostly AA games. The only disagreement is that I like that.

Just to clarify. You mentioned people rejected the idea of AA games and Gamepass as to reasons why the Xbox division is failing to expand at an acceptable rate (which is partially true).
- Day 1 Gamepass releases gutted their sales.
- Day 1 PC releases gutted their sales and reduced the need to have an Xbox.

And you stated that Sony only pushes AAA games (which is untrue).

 

[BlueLyria]

Pointless to talk to people on here. Clearly.

When you talk but don't make sense it is indeed pointless lmao

 

[nial]

Its done guys. It literally makes sense to pivot at this point. Nothing else to say. Series consoles and GP were a last try at a golden age in gaming, and a resurgence of AA diversity, and consumers rejected it.

There was Hi-Fi Rush and... uh... Pentiment? Redfall was AA too, right...?

 

[GHG]

Right or wrong, PlayStation and Xbox are seen as the main competition of one another. And if you have history with the platforms, it's natural to look at where they are today and what they did in the past. I know I long for Sony's past even if that past included God of War which is one of the first snowballs that rolled down the hill to their AAA game development today. I don't really care for Sony's modern output but I don't begrudge the path they've taken as it is widely successful. And their outsourced efforts don't fill the holes that their internal efforts used to. Win the masses with the spectacle, win the hearts with the meaningful.

I do think Game Pass had added exposure on consoles to games with broader spectrums of game budgets. I think that's more by necessity of trying to fill out a games catalogue rather than being altruistic. And like you mentioned, they backed into some AA titles by means of acquisition so it's hard to pat them on the back for that though I guess they could have stopped production on those titles.

Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft have had various pushes throughout the years for smaller titles that tends to be moved to the background after brief stints in the forefront.

Stuff like the God of wars are the highlights and understandably they dominate the discourse, particularly online. But let's not act like we've not had to suffer through a bunch of state of plays this gen that have been chock full of AA, A and indie games that are not suitable for the format.

It makes no sense to pretend stuff like Tchia, Humanity, Stray and Kena haven't existed. Then in-house there's stuff like Returnal, Helldivers 2 and Astro's playroom.

I don't know, maybe console centric gamers have this habit where they will only play what they are outright told to play via some service, but on PC a ton of smaller titles have found great success over the years. So this idea that Xbox and Gamepass are key to the continued survival of AA and A games (and that consumers have rejected those types of games) is absolute nonsense.

 

[BlueLyria]

Stuff like the God of wars are the highlights and understandably they dominate the discourse, particularly online. But let's not act like we've not had to suffer through a bunch of state of plays this gen that have been chock full of AA, A and indie games that are not suitable for the format.

It makes no sense to pretend stuff like Tchia, Humanity, Stray and Kena haven't existed. Then in-house there's stuff like Returnal, Helldivers 2 and Astro's playroom.

I don't know, maybe console centric gamers have this habit where they will only play what they are outright told to play via some service, but on PC a ton of smaller titles have found great success over the years. So this idea that Xbox and Gamepass are key to the continued survival of AA and A games (and that consumers have rejected those types of games) is absolute nonsense.

A lot of indies blow up big on steam before being ported to consoles, it's just a question of economics, look at V rising getting a port only now, Subnautica is another title that totally hit big, Hollow Knight too.

PC is the breeding ground for indies success, clearly A and AA games are not being rejected, gamepass is.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Pointless to talk to people on here. Clearly.

I am done as well unless it’s about a game I am playing

 

[bender]

Stuff like the God of wars are the highlights and understandably they dominate the discourse, particularly online. But let's not act like we've not had to suffer through a bunch of state of plays this gen that have been chock full of AA, A and indie games that are not suitable for the format.

It makes no sense to pretend stuff like Tchia, Humanity, Stray and Kena haven't existed. Then in-house there's stuff like Returnal, Helldivers 2 and Astro's playroom.

I don't know, maybe console centric gamers have this habit where they will only play what they are outright told to play via some service, but on PC a ton of smaller titles have found great success over the years. So this idea that Xbox and Gamepass are key to the continued survival of AA and A games (and that consumers have rejected those types of games) is absolute nonsense.

Like I mentioned, I think Microsoft backed into a lot of these championed titles through acquisition or just trying to get as much content on Game Pass as possible.

I don't think it is a matter of console centric, PC centric, or whatever. It's a matter of casual versus hardcore. Smaller titles that find success on PC usually make their way over to consoles. Cream always rises.

 

[solidus12]

Its done guys. It literally makes sense to pivot at this point. Nothing else to say. Series consoles and GP were a last try at a golden age in gaming, and a resurgence of AA diversity, and consumers rejected it.

Please tell me that Xbox are the good guys.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

So if even insiders don’t know what’s up than are they really insiders?

Most of these people aren’t insiders. A majority of the “info” and drama have been from idiots gathering clicks and in a lot of cases GAF was happy to oblige. I’ve seen so many supposed Xbox ambassadors I’ve never even heard of the last couple of days.

 

[LordCBH]

Imagine if the announcement is that they're acquiring Playstation from Sony.

Look the only way MS can recover from this is to partner with Souljagame for the next Xbox.

 

[GHG]

PC is the breeding ground for indies success, clearly A and AA games are not being rejected, gamepass is.

Yep, especially when you consider it's also available on PC.

And therein lies the problem - A and AA games tend to be cheap enough for people to be willing to take a gamble on them without the need for Gamepass.

 

[bender]

Most of these people aren’t insiders. A majority of the “info” and drama have been from idiots gathering clicks and in a lot of cases GAF was happy to oblige. I’ve seen so many supposed Xbox ambassadors I’ve never even heard of the last couple of days.

Everyone wants juice. Except, me, bender.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

me, reading these xbox-ded threads while knowing exactly 0 facts

I wouldn't say 0 facts. but at 1 or 2 facts for sure

 

[nial]

The idea that MS has been actively pushing for Pentiment and Hi-Fi Rush more than the likes of Halo Infinite, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5 and Motorsport is laughable in itself. They didn't even bother in releasing those two games in physical format (before they gave up completely), FFS.

 

[peish]

Trust in phil, he always delivers the best gaming value when he is charge. He has not let us down, stay strong

Yes you call them out on their sketchy first party games so far, but that’s on the developers letting phil down

 

[Bernkastel]

xbox fandom in a nutshell man, these dudes whole lives 'seem' to revolve around how xbox is perceived, and thats why they take it so hard and things are coming full circle for xbox. All these years of cap'n when the data clearly didnt reflect what these guys were tooting on game forums and twitter in there little echo chambers is now coming to a head and its time to pay the piper.

As i said in another thread a week or so ago, i expect alot of account suicides in the coming weeks.

That's a lot of projection coming from someone whose live seems to revolve around "Xbox fans".

 

[bender]

I wouldn't say 0 facts. but at 1 or 2 facts for sure

Yeah. Zero facts would have had a much different Tweet from Phil. There is certainly smoke, we just don't know how big the fire is yet.

 

[Spitfire098]

Trust in phil, he always delivers the best gaming value when he is charge. He has not let us down, stay strong

Yes you call them out on their sketchy first party games so far, but that’s on the developers letting phil down

it's never Phil's fault!! If only those pesky developers under him did their job properly, papa Phil wouldn't be scrutinized like this ...

 

[kyoji]

That's a lot of projection coming from someone whose live seems to revolve around "Xbox fans".

you sound upset, hopefully you'll stick around a bit longer

 

[bitbydeath]

Yeah. Zero facts would have had a much different Tweet from Phil. There is certainly smoke, we just don't know how big the fire is yet.

Yep. We know there’s change coming since it’s a business update about the future of Xbox. If it were nothing then a business update wouldn’t be required.

 

[Bridges]

Unprecedented times ahead, folks.

Random thought that popped in my mind, do a lot of third parties suddenly stop getting as much money because Sony will no longer feel compelled to pay for marketing rights or timed exclusivity? If their only hardware competition was Nintendo, there'd be a lot of games that would be automatic exclusives just due to hardware specs.

Interesting what might change due to a lack of competition, even if Xbox has barely been able to compete for the last couple gens as it is.

But I guess that's all neither here nor there. Really curious what Phil is gonna say. If this is true, he has to know how tough of a pill this will be for the community to swallow

 

[Moridianae]

The only real "fact" here is:

It was enormously stupid to put a week-long wait on this

 

[LordCBH]

Yep. We know there’s change coming since it’s a business update about the future of Xbox. If it were nothing then a business update wouldn’t be required.

For real. If the only thing they were going to announce was “oh hey Hi Fi and SoT are coming to other systems” then that wouldn’t be cause for a “business update” lol. Given what they’re calling it and how austere Phil’s tweet was, this is going to be a significant shift.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I'm just saying, my position is the same its been for 3 years. MS is pushing AA games or even A games mainstream. That and a cheap console. That to me is a golden age. It got rejected. Even when I agree with you guys I get sass. I know PC exists. It doesnt discount anything I said.

So, you admit a steady decline in quality and offerings?

Geez, I wonder why Xbox is losing marketshare?

 

[bitbydeath]

For real. If the only thing they were going to announce was “oh hey Hi Fi and SoT are coming to other systems” then that wouldn’t be cause for a “business update” lol. Given what they’re calling it and how austere Phil’s tweet was, this is going to be a significant shift.

And furthermore if it was a minor change then they would have been able to provide reassurance, and prevent their brand from being torched.

 

[demigod]

lol....wow. I'm really not sure what it was that I said that got under your skin bro but it ain't worth all this. Sorry for the "go to bed" crack.

GO TO BED Gopher.

 

[Topher]

GO TO BED Gopher.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Its done guys. It literally makes sense to pivot at this point. Nothing else to say. Series consoles and GP were a last try at a golden age in gaming, and a resurgence of AA diversity, and consumers rejected it.

So we all Steam group now?

 

[LordBlodgett]

This thread right now.........

 

[twilo99]

Makes no sense to hold an event to say they're not going 3rd party.

They are already 3rd party..

 

[Killjoy-NL]

MS is putting out more AA games. Its not selling well. I literally didnt say anything controversial at all. This is what bugs me. But fine I'll let it go. My rational point is already muddied and a joke, thanks to you.

They don't put out more AA games, they just release poor and broken AAA games.

They're incompetent, but somehow you manage to spin it into some kind of deliberate strategy.

Although, you might have a point. MS knows the hardcore Xbox fanbase will gobble up every turd they push out and shill it like it's God's gift to gaming.

 

[FunkMiller]

What Tom actually said was that people within XBOX don’t really know what MICROSOFT is going to say/do….the wording is key.

Think about it.

if people in Xbox don’t know what is happening, why is the head of Xbox doing an announcement next week? If he knows, surely at least the higher ups know.

None of this makes a lick of sense.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

My guess is that Phil Spencer is going to try extremely hard to hit a soft landing here if not walk back much of the rumors.

He will still layout that some games will go multiplatform and explain that they've always been multiplatform. So namely Bethesda and ABK games.

In about 6 months then we'll start hearing more about Xbox Game Studios games going too though, because the Xbox Series is just going to stop selling at this point. Online sales won't be enough and it'll be difficult to drive sales at physical retail.

Whatever Phil says next week the Xbox brand is dead.

 

[IDKFA]

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[Mibu no ookami]

if people in Xbox don’t know what is happening, why is the head of Xbox doing an announcement next week? If he knows, surely at least the higher ups know.

None of this makes a lick of sense.

My guess is he is negotiating with Nadella and Hood walking back some of what they had agreed upon at least initially.

What they wanted to do was to perform a soft landing. Slowly get people used to the idea that their games were hitting other platforms rather than a Sega, we're discontinuing Dreamcast even within this generation standpoint.

2003 saw not a single Dreamcast release.

Imagine owning a Dreamcast and yet you don't get NFL 2K3 and even the gamecube got it.

I'm sure Microsoft has already slowed shipments of Xbox hardware. You can't just reverse this. Retail already knows what is up, they're not going to take more units and end up holding the bag on them.

 

[LegendOfKage]

The mods can ban me anytime they want. I'm on probation until March.

Before this, they were just known as "Miku."