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[Dash27]

I agree about the pot, it's irrelevant. Although to be fair they are using a baby faced picture of the kid and a mugshot of Zimmerman in the media so it does go both ways.

I wonder if they can tell where Zimmerman was when he was shooting. Was he on top of Trayvon? On the ground shooting up? Point blank at a weird angle suggesting a struggle?

 

[bjb]

If having a empty bag capable of holding marijuana was justification for being shot, I would have known alot of people getting shot in my HS.

No one is saying it's justification for Trayvon Martin being shot???

These are new facts surrounding the case (and victim).

The fact you have eye witnesses saying he was the aggressor, that he was suspended from school for drugs, and the fact he does not has a juvenile record (http://news.yahoo.com/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html) will all be presented in court in some fashion.

Not really working in his favor - given the history of Florida jurors. Assuming this actually goes to trial of course.

 

[empty vessel]

The fact you have eye witnesses saying he was the aggressor, that he was suspended from school for drugs, and that he has a juvenile record (http://news.yahoo.com/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html) will all be presented in court in some fashion.

With the exception of the eyewitness, no, it won't. It's legally irrelevant.

 

[Jagernaut]

No one is saying it's justification for Trayvon Martin being shot???

These are new facts surrounding the case (and victim).

The fact you have eye witnesses saying he was the aggressor, that he was suspended from school for drugs, and that he has a juvenile record (http://news.yahoo.com/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html) will all be presented in court in some fashion.

Not really working in his favor - given the history of Florida jurors. Assuming this actually goes to trial of course.

What? The article says he did not have a juvenile record.

 

[bjb]

What? The article says he did not have a juvenile record.

Errr that's what I meant...

 

[Dude Abides]

No one is saying it's justification for Trayvon Martin being shot???

These are new facts surrounding the case (and victim).

The fact you have eye witnesses saying he was the aggressor, that he was suspended from school for drugs, and that he has a juvenile record (http://news.yahoo.com/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html) will all be presented in court in some fashion.

No they won't. The drugs aren't relevant at all. And the yahoo article you linked says that Martin did not have a juvenile record.

Zimmerman's story is apparently that Martin knocked him down with one punch and then jumped on him and started beating on him.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_arizona-iced-tea-suv-unarmed-black-teenager

That one witness who says he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman has been around since the story broke.

 

[Allard]

I agree about the pot, it's irrelevant. Although to be fair they are using a baby faced picture of the kid and a mugshot of Zimmerman in the media so it does go both ways.

I wonder if they can tell where Zimmerman was when he was shooting. Was he on top of Trayvon? On the ground shooting up? Point blank at a weird angle suggesting a struggle?

I imagine at this point his lawyers are telling him not to talk at all about the case, especially on those facts till they hammer out a plan for the trial. The only place we are going to get new information on from this point forward is from 'anonymous' sources and character digging on the two's past. The rest is going to get shrouded under the curtain of the judicial veil till the trial happens.

 

[Leona Lewis]

No one is saying it's justification for Trayvon Martin being shot???

These are new facts surrounding the case (and victim).

The fact you have eye witnesses saying he was the aggressor, that he was suspended from school for drugs, and that he has a juvenile record (http://news.yahoo.com/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html) will all be presented in court in some fashion.

Not really working in his favor - given the history of Florida jurors. Assuming this actually goes to trial of course.

That link explicitly says he does not have a juvenile record.

Also Monday, the state Department of Juvenile Justice confirmed that Martin does not have a juvenile offender record. The information came after a public records request by The Associated Press.

To be fair, however, half the people in this thread lack even an elementary-level reading ability :-\

 

[MightyHealthy]

No one is saying it's justification for Trayvon Martin being shot???

These are new facts surrounding the case (and victim).

The fact you have eye witnesses saying he was the aggressor, that he was suspended from school for drugs, and that he has a juvenile record (http://news.yahoo.com/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html) will all be presented in court in some fashion.

Also Monday, the state Department of Juvenile Justice confirmed that Martin does not have a juvenile offender record. The information came after a public records request by The Associated Press.

late edit: nvm, you edited your post...

 

[aquavelva]

I agree about the pot, it's irrelevant. Although to be fair they are using a baby faced picture of the kid and a mugshot of Zimmerman in the media so it does go both ways.

I wonder if they can tell where Zimmerman was when he was shooting. Was he on top of Trayvon? On the ground shooting up? Point blank at a weird angle suggesting a struggle?

Probably because not too many 17 years old look like old men.

 

[commedieu]

MEH... giving up.

 

[ced]

At least we can all agree Zimmerman should have done as told and stayed in his vehicle...

 

[aquavelva]

At least we can all agree Zimmerman should have done as told and stayed in his vehicle...right?

I'm sure the Zimmerman defense force can think of a reason to justify his actions. I read a comment somewhere that the fact Trayvon played football automatically meant he had a violent nature.

 

[commedieu]

At least we can all agree Zimmerman should have done as told and stayed in his vehicle...right?

Right, he wouldn't have shot Trayvon if he stayed in the car.

Although, we don't know all the facts. Trayvon could have been looking for a car to steal/person to murder to keep his candy and tea from getting soggy.

 

[Kettch]

Probably because not too many 17 years old look like old men.

It's just not fair. Might make some people think Zimmerman shot and killed a kid!

 

[bjb]

With the exception of the eyewitness, no, it won't. It's legally irrelevant.

I'm not saying it's legally relevant to his actual death, but (again assuming this goes to trial) Zimmeran's defense team will try and paint Trayvon as a suspicious kid with a troubled past.

His Twitter account name @No_Limit_Nigga is also displayed with instances involving drug use and violence against a bus driver.

Source: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/321862

 

[DY_nasty]

So not only was he dressed like a slut, he acted like one.

And people are shocked he got raped?

 

[empty vessel]

I'm not saying it's legally relevant to his actual death, but (again assuming this goes to trial) Zimmeran's defense team will try and paint Trayvon as a suspicious kid with a troubled past.

And the judge will exclude it, because it has no legal relevance to Zimmerman's claim of self defense. Your caveat about assuming it goes to trial, which you seem to think saves your statement, is exactly what renders your statement most false. At trial, this evidence cannot be used, because it is not relevant. As well, you shouldn't be using it here, because it has no logical relevance, either.

 

[BattleMonkey]

What details are going to make a scenario in which Zimmerman followed, chased after, and shot an unarmed kid walking home from the store right?

When it comes to self defense shooting laws, there are tons of details that will have a huge impact on the case and even can get Zimmerman off potentially. It also is a major factor in the level of charges that are tossed at a person from manslaughter to a degree of murder charge.

I'm not saying it's legally relevant to his actual death, but (again assuming this goes to trial) Zimmeran's defense team will try and paint Trayvon as a suspicious kid with a troubled past.

Err if his legal team are a bunch of idiots, as that will be tossed out of court for being irrelevant to the shooting. These such details wouldn't even be allowed in a grand jury panel.

 

[Kosmo]

I'm not saying it's legally relevant to his actual death, but (again assuming this goes to trial) Zimmeran's defense team will try and paint Trayvon as a suspicious kid with a troubled past.

No no, don't you see, Trayvon Martin was the innocent 14 year old kid that we see in the only pictures they are releasing of him.

Seriously, this is a tragic case and while I don't think he deserved to get shot, people claiming they know everything that went down that night are basing that on very little. Zimmerman should have been arrested, should not have been given the gun back, but let's not pretend we really know everything that went on.

 

[soundscream]

I'm not saying it's legally relevant to his actual death, but (again assuming this goes to trial) Zimmeran's defense team will try and paint Trayvon as a suspicious kid with a troubled past.

His Twitter account name @No_Limit_Nigga is also displayed with instances involving drug use and violence against a bus driver.

Source: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/321862

WTF does this have to do with what happened that night.

 

[malingenie]

Facebook and Twitter Pics

Things like this may add dimension to the case, but I still have to be convinced that someone needed to be shot.

 

[Particle Physicist]

My wife has tattoos and used to smoke quite a bit of weed (she's canadian), and she is the sweetest, most harmless person ever. That digitaljournal post is basically a smear campaign against a victim. Tattoos and weed have nothing to do with that night. A history of aggression (ala Zimmerman), might be relevant, but this shit is not.

I'm still not completely convinced those are real, considering some of the earlier "facebook pictures" that were being thrown about.

 

[Timedog]

When it comes to self defense shooting laws, there are tons of details that will have a huge impact on the case and even can get Zimmerman off potentially. It also is a major factor in the level of charges that are tossed at a person from manslaughter to a degree of murder charge.

Like what?

 

[commedieu]

No no, don't you see, Trayvon Martin was the innocent 14 year old kid that we see in the only pictures they are releasing of him.

Seriously, this is a tragic case and while I don't think he deserved to get shot, people claiming they know everything that went down that night are basing that on very little. Zimmerman should have been arrested, should not have been given the gun back, but let's not pretend we really know everything that went on.

Who said that Trayvon Martin has never touched a Drug, had premarital sex, or has had a drink of alcohol? Oh, right. No one.

Who said that Trayvon had skittles & iced tea on him, no bong/crack pipe, wearing a hoodie in the rain and was shot by an armed civilian who was told by police specifically to stand down? Oh right, most people in this thread.

Pot doesn't make you prone to something crazy like Felony Assault on Trained Police Officers. But being Zimmerman does.

WTF does this have to do with what happened that night.

Clearly open and shut case now. He smokes pot...

and likes rap..

 

[Htown]

I'm not saying it's legally relevant to his actual death, but (again assuming this goes to trial) Zimmeran's defense team will try and paint Trayvon as a suspicious kid with a troubled past.

His Twitter account name @No_Limit_Nigga is also displayed with instances involving drug use and violence against a bus driver.

Source: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/321862

Clearly that twitter stuff points more to a likelihood that Trayvon started the violence.

You know, as opposed to... what was it... oh yeah.

Zimmerman's police-documented history of violence, racism and paranoia.

Man, fuck this thread.

 

[sangreal]

I'm not saying it's legally relevant to his actual death, but (again assuming this goes to trial) Zimmeran's defense team will try and paint Trayvon as a suspicious kid with a troubled past.

I'm no lawman, but I don't think that would be relevant since Zimmerman had no knowledge of that at the time so it couldn't form a basis for his perceived threat.

 

[soundscream]

No no, don't you see, Trayvon Martin was the innocent 14 year old kid that we see in the only pictures they are releasing of him.

Seriously, this is a tragic case and while I don't think he deserved to get shot, people claiming they know everything that went down that night are basing that on very little. Zimmerman should have been arrested, should not have been given the gun back, but let's not pretend we really know everything that went on.

So releasing these other pictures some real some fake make him deserving of getting shot?

All its doing is trying to paint him as the scary Negro who looks like he was up to no good.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Like what?

... the entire case? It's the whole point of a self defense shooting trial defense and going over the exact details of how it all went down, and it's application to the Florida stand your ground and self defense laws, which in themselves can be convoluted in situations like this. State prosecutor has to convince with evidence, and real details that a murder charge should be attempted at trial. The grand jury will hear the whole thing and determine what level of charge the state prosecutor will go after.... or to claim the self defense claim is just and to not send it to actual trial.

 

[dave is ok]

Oh he smoked pot and posting things on Twitter that a teenage would probably post on the internet?

Zimmerman is innocent. Case closed.

 

[commedieu]

... the entire case? It's the whole point of a self defense shooting trial defense and going over the exact details of how it all went down, and it's application to the Florida stand your ground and self defense laws, which in themselves can be convoluted in situations like this. State prosecutor has to convince with evidence, and real details that a murder charge should be attempted at trial. The grand jury will hear the whole thing and determine what level of charge the state prosecutor will go after.... or to claim the self defense claim is just and to not send it to actual trial.

You catch what Dennis Baxley said by any chance?

 

[Aeonin]

Its kind of ironically funny in a way - anyone who ever smoked weed will tell you that it makes you less likely to be the aggressor - not more.

Though I understand why it would be brought up in court. Don't think it will lead anywhere substantial though since Zimmerman has an equally or perhaps even more incriminating Facebook posts.

 

[Allard]

So releasing these other pictures some real some fake make him deserving of getting shot?

All its doing is trying to paint him as the scary Negro who looks like he was up to no good.

Yep the new facts are irrelevant to the case. They are character assassination techniques used to paint the situation as anything but black and white but the fact of the matter is, it actually "is" pretty black and white this time as far as the case goes. It doesn't matter what type of character Trayvon Martin is or was, what matters is the actions that lead up to the confrontation; in that light Zimmerman got out of his car after he was explicitly told not to (By the police!) and his resulting actions lead to the death of someone who had every right to be in that neighborhood and as far as we can see was doing nothing wrong. He is guilty of minimum manslaughter charges.

 

[BattleMonkey]

You catch what Dennis Baxley said by any chance?

No, any links?

Its kind of ironically funny in a way - anyone who ever smoked weed will tell you that it makes you less likely to be the aggressor - not more.

Though I understand why it would be brought up in court. Don't think it will lead anywhere substantial though since Zimmerman has an equally or perhaps even more incriminating Facebook posts.

It likely will not come out in court, the defense would need to do some magic to even not get it tossed out. To somehow link these past stupid kid remarks and such being dragged out on the net and link it to the shooting? Doubtful. Media is just trying to portray the kid in a bad light as if that somehow justifies the other side.

 

[bjb]

Oh he smoked pot and posting things on Twitter that a teenage would probably post on the internet?.

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

 

[Particle Physicist]

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

Wat? He is basically praying that he at least whooped the guys ass.... and that kid was not even there, that says nothing.

And he didn't make the post about beating up a bus driver, his friend made some comment which could have meant anything. How about stop posting things his one friend is saying, and post his actual tweets and facebook posts?

 

[Branduil]

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

Seriously?

 

[NumberTwo]

It's pretty amazing the lengths some will go to to detract from the larger more relevant issue. Not necessarily
aimed anyone in the lasts posts.

Edit:.Wait, no. I take the last part back.

 

[soundscream]

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

What is wrong with you. Why are you posting this. They were not there.

 

[smurfx]

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

how in the world would they know when martin was killed before he could tell anybody? looks like the push to totally destroy treyvons character is on. i'm sure you will have people saying they are glad he is dead in a week. well besides the racist ones who are glad any minority gets killed.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

Kid posts something stupid on twitter has no relevance to the case, especially if they are in no way a witness to the incident.

 

[commedieu]

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

dude...

Spoiler

your bias is showing

 

[East Lake]

Hahaha thanks for the laugh. Skee Dollas Nickuhs knows the real deal about Trayvon.

 

[ffdgh]

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

...isn't that an assumption?

 

[Satch]

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

You're a fucking dumbass.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

It's pretty amazing the lengths some will go to to detract from the larger more relevant issue. Not necessarily
aimed anyone in the lasts posts.

It makes my head hurt. Every time I come back to the thread, it's getting worse. People are doing everything they can to dehumanize this kid.

 

[soundahfekz]

Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

People will ignore this though bjb, you show too much truth for them.

Trayvon obviously called him up after he died to tell him how he whooped Zimmerman's ass. Jeez man what is the rest of this thread smoking

 

[soundscream]

I dont know why people are allowed to just shit up a thread for no good reason.

 

[Slayven]

My head hurts, goddamnit.

 

[Timedog]

... the entire case? It's the whole point of a self defense shooting trial defense and going over the exact details of how it all went down, and it's application to the Florida stand your ground and self defense laws, which in themselves can be convoluted in situations like this. State prosecutor has to convince with evidence, and real details that a murder charge should be attempted at trial. The grand jury will hear the whole thing and determine what level of charge the state prosecutor will go after.... or to claim the self defense claim is just and to not send it to actual trial.

I've asked for the details of a hypothetical situation that would make Zimmerman's actions right and you've failed to deliver. Please provide this or stop responding to me. You're not saying anything new or enlightening, just repeating the same thing with different words.