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Any reason to think Final Fantasy XV won't disappoint?
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People don't like change.
Anticitizen One
Banned
For what it's worth KH 1 and 2 were good games so if they can keep it at that quality it will be fun to play.
Flakster99
Member
Lots. The game looks great, it`s pushing lots of polygons, has fancy effects, has a lot of style going for it. However, the game looks weird. To me it`s a mishmash of several styles and designs. I`m getting FF13 vibes.
I will eventually see more of the game as it develops and I am definitely keeping my expectations low to the point of not really caring enough to stay in that information loop. Been there. Done that. No big deal. Shit looks great but the brand no longer sways me, holds my attention like it did many, many years ago.
So who knows?
I will eventually see more of the game as it develops and I am definitely keeping my expectations low to the point of not really caring enough to stay in that information loop. Been there. Done that. No big deal. Shit looks great but the brand no longer sways me, holds my attention like it did many, many years ago.
So who knows?
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Because it's just another nail in the coffin of traditional command-based JRPGs on consoles. Losing FF is a pretty massive blow to the genre and it's damn disheartening.
Not to say I don't like ARPGs, but variety is nice too.
The Spoony Hou
Member
Nomura fans love and overhype anything he makes. I myself don't have any faith in Square anymore, so I'll wait till the game is out.
CambriaRising
Member
Gameplay looks fun. I hope it turns out okay.
Indeed. I'm still confused why it's a big deal myself. It's not like this means every FF they make from now on will be a ARPG. They said as much in interviews I believe.
The game hasn't really been in real development until 2011. Before that they probably were just fleshing out concepts and stuff I'd guess, though it is just a guess.
I'm excited for it myself and always was more interested in it than the others from the time it was revealed, but I'm doing my best to keep expectations in check. If you expect it to be the next great masterpiece, then you may very well be disappointed. Having super high expectations is never a good thing in my opinion.
Still, the people they have working on this game are some of the best they have at SE (depending on how much that means to you) and also features people who worked on some of the older FFs back on the PSOne.
SE also can't really afford to have this game be a failure for them I think.
which is stupid since every FF changes its gameplay every single game
hardly, it just means its one game in the franchise that does things slightly different, like every other FF
What do you mean 'why does this matter'?
Why did people get pissed when Shadowrun turned into an FPS? Or when any other series suddenly swapped into another genre? It alienates the original fans.
Well the staff itself is really good. All the major players are topnotch and what they've shown so far is good. That said, staffwhoring is staffwhoring and it can always turn out bad. Happens in other industries all the time.
I really need to see the combat being played by a human before getting my hopes up though.
I really need to see the combat being played by a human before getting my hopes up though.
InsaneZero
Member
I really, really, really want a post-mortem overview of this game far more than the actual game itself.
The latest interviews have already given us quite a bit of insight into the game's development.
this doesnt alienate anyone, you still have a party you control, you still have magic and other staples of the FF series, just because the combat became more dinamic doesnt mean its throwing away or ignoring the old fanbase, and if anything the one that alienated the old fans wasnt this game.
Of course it does, just because the last 4 were departures from the first 10 doesn't suddenly let this one off the hook. If anything I'm even more disappointed because I was hoping for a return to classic form... but nope even a bigger departure.
Now I'm not saying the game can't be good... but it certainly is and always will be a disappointment to me.
I have faith in Square making a good game. I don't have faith in them to remain financially solvent to make more good games.
Slamtastic
Member
What if I get my hopes up for a game with a fighting system about as deep an intuitive as Bayonetta, a story about as good as Metal Gear Solid 4, cod-philosophy as muted as Monster Hunter and a layout and feel about as intuitive as Kingdom Hearts?
and it is returning to classic form, combat is the onl thing thats changing from previous games
How does that make sense? "Oh ya it's like the classics... except for the gameplay".
towns, world to explore, etc, and since when is combat the only aspect of FF
Well I'm glad the game decided to have a world, would of sucked to just float in space.
Dark Octave
Banned
SquareEnix hasn't had a good track record with FF for pretty much a decade. The people currently behind the wheel seem to be more interested in perfumes, fasion and making FF a musical than producing a good game.
The visuals of XV look good but that's about it. From the looks of it, you play a single character and the other guys in your party are doing their own thing. It may as well be Gears of War or Mass Effect.
But despite all of this, I still have hope that it'll be good. The graphics have impressed me enough that I am interested in seeing more of it at this point and the battle system may be salvageable. I just do not care for the people running the show right now as they have proven to me that they don't seem to understand what makes Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy.
The visuals of XV look good but that's about it. From the looks of it, you play a single character and the other guys in your party are doing their own thing. It may as well be Gears of War or Mass Effect.
But despite all of this, I still have hope that it'll be good. The graphics have impressed me enough that I am interested in seeing more of it at this point and the battle system may be salvageable. I just do not care for the people running the show right now as they have proven to me that they don't seem to understand what makes Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy.
What if I get my hopes up for a game with a fighting system about as deep an intuitive as Bayonetta, a story about as good as Metal Gear Solid 4, cod-philosophy as muted as Monster Hunter and a layout and feel about as intuitive as Kingdom Hearts?
Gold. Lol at Bioware.
now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining
You can switch and control the other party members.
Actually, you'll be able to switch to play any of the members of your team. One of the ideas is to be able to switch in the middle of combat perhaps using one character to expose a weakness, then switch to another and have them target that weakness, and then switch to the last and have them go in for a finisher.
This is me. I've liked every game I've played which Nomura has been involved.
I think it's likely to be an amazing game.
High Five.
Trickster
Member
Pretty much agree with this, it's been so long since there's been a good FF game, last one I liked was FFX, and that was when they were still Squaresoft...
Anything can disappoint. There is always that chance.
Having said that, FF15 has a lot of good things going for it. It hasn't really been in development that long. Due to the inept management team behind FF13 and the incompetence of Toriyama, as well as the FF14 disaster, the team behind FF15 wasn't really a complete one until recently. They've been pulled apart here and there to help with other problems.
As it stands, by the time the game does release, it will have been in development 2-3 years past the preparation stage. That's a good amount of time. FF13 had half of that if I remember correctly, and that was after a very poor concept stage where they didn't know what they were doing, or where to go with the gameplay. An added benefit for FF15 is that the team has had a lot of time to prepare to ensure their vision is focused for what it needs to be. The troubled development time is exaggerated. That has little to do with the team behind FF15. It would be more accurate to say the troubled development of FF13 and FF14, along with SE becoming clowns, forced this game to be delayed.
Whatever you receive, at least it's not a rushed product. There is a focused product, and a clear aim.
Lastly, the talent behind the game is pretty damn strong. You have Nomura who has put out some quality games, Nojima who birthed the initial concept of the mythology being used, Yoko Shimomura on the OST, and a bunch of other talent from previous SE projects. It also helps that Nomura is aiming for a Kingdom Hearts style system so he has experience which will help deliver something solid on that front. Add in the fact that we have an actual world this time, rather than just hallways, and there are more positives than negatives.
Quite frankly, there is no chance it could be as shit as FF13. There is nowhere but up from that point.
Having said that, FF15 has a lot of good things going for it. It hasn't really been in development that long. Due to the inept management team behind FF13 and the incompetence of Toriyama, as well as the FF14 disaster, the team behind FF15 wasn't really a complete one until recently. They've been pulled apart here and there to help with other problems.
As it stands, by the time the game does release, it will have been in development 2-3 years past the preparation stage. That's a good amount of time. FF13 had half of that if I remember correctly, and that was after a very poor concept stage where they didn't know what they were doing, or where to go with the gameplay. An added benefit for FF15 is that the team has had a lot of time to prepare to ensure their vision is focused for what it needs to be. The troubled development time is exaggerated. That has little to do with the team behind FF15. It would be more accurate to say the troubled development of FF13 and FF14, along with SE becoming clowns, forced this game to be delayed.
Whatever you receive, at least it's not a rushed product. There is a focused product, and a clear aim.
Lastly, the talent behind the game is pretty damn strong. You have Nomura who has put out some quality games, Nojima who birthed the initial concept of the mythology being used, Yoko Shimomura on the OST, and a bunch of other talent from previous SE projects. It also helps that Nomura is aiming for a Kingdom Hearts style system so he has experience which will help deliver something solid on that front. Add in the fact that we have an actual world this time, rather than just hallways, and there are more positives than negatives.
Quite frankly, there is no chance it could be as shit as FF13. There is nowhere but up from that point.
What if I get my hopes up for a game with a fighting system about as deep an intuitive as Bayonetta, a story about as good as Metal Gear Solid 4, cod-philosophy as muted as Monster Hunter and a layout and feel about as intuitive as Kingdom Hearts?
:lol This is amazing.
On-topic: I'm going to wait until TGS so we have a clearer picture of what's the direction the game is going to take as I expect a long trailer there, but interviews (from way back then, the post-E3 ones suck) make me hopeful.
A lot of people will inevitably be disappointed since this is a new mainline Final Fantasy title. The series has so many entries with wildly different gameplay systems and atmosphere that it is almost impossible for every long time fan to be happy. I for one am excited to see Final Fantasy experimenting with being an action RPG.
Chuck Norris
Banned
This game is from Nomura and Tabata
Nomura directed Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 and TWEWY
Tabata directed Crisis Core and FF Type-0
This game is in pretty good hands
Nomura directed Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 and TWEWY
Tabata directed Crisis Core and FF Type-0
This game is in pretty good hands
Snowden's Secret
Banned
What if I get my hopes up for a game with a fighting system about as deep an intuitive as Bayonetta, a story about as good as Metal Gear Solid 4, cod-philosophy as muted as Monster Hunter and a layout and feel about as intuitive as Kingdom Hearts?
There's commentary to be made that none of these relate to gameplay (mechanics, level design, controls, pacing, etc) but I guess that's another thread.
Dark Octave
Banned
I appreciate that but I guess I just need to accept that turn based is dead because this is too similar to picking Singularity with Liara before letting her go back to doing her own thing and playing the game for you.
Just like with the modern/sci-fi asthetics of this and XIII, it's too big of a change. I've said before that I don't mind that change, but not as a replacement of the reason I fell in love with the series in the first place. We all know that SE has enough resources to satisfy both the new and old FF fan at the same time. It's sad that they choose not to.
Jewologist
Banned
No I'm just countering your absurd justification of saying it's like a classic FF. It has a story and world... might as well tell me the game uses buttons too.
You know they already said this is probably a one-off thing and turn-based combat is not out of the equation for future games, right?
One mainline FF going ARPG is not the end of the world, it's literally one game going ARPG. And if someone can pull it off it's Nomura.
So you just want exact copies of the old games, no innovation whatsoever?
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Seems like a different game. Don't trust square to make an action Final fantasy game... I have a bad feelings its gonna suck... like a bad movie that had a crack team make the most amazing trailer ever 
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.Games can innovate without changing genre.