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10 Reasons Why High Definition DVD Formats Have Already Failed!!

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rubso

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I’m not typically a doom and gloom kind of guy – really, I’m rather optimistic. But this pending format release/war is simply the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen in a long time. The hype machine is entirely enthusiast-created and since that day I realized Steve Jobs could sell a fart provided he sued a public Mac forum for talking about it before its release, I began to understand the power of public mania.

There are a number of reasons why the new high definition DVD formats have already failed and I’ll gladly go over some of them in this article. I am not a soothsayer, but I do study the industry – and at times, sit back and take assessment of what’s happening from both a consumer and manufacturer perspective.

Without any further ado, here are the reasons HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc will never turn into the dominant formats for digital media viewing:

1. Nobody likes false starts
With the debut of HD DVD at an underwhelming 720p/1080i, coupled with a buggy interface and a transport that makes boiling water seem like a speedy event, the entrance of high definition DVD into the mainstream came out of the starting gate lame and hobbled. For Toshiba to release a player that didn’t support true HD at 1080p (even though the software does), and with no lossless audio format to accompany the video track, the high definition wave was more of a ripple. Add to this the delay of HDMI 1.3, lack of market penetration and supply, and a dearth amount of software titles and you have a very unimpressive product launch.

2. Format Wars Don’t Sell Players
The only reason Sony’s Playstation, Microsoft’s Xbox and the Nintendo GameCube can sell so well simultaneously is because of the prevalence of excellent software titles. People want to buy the hardware just so they can play the software. This is not a format war – it is choice, just like Chevy and Ford (and just like the gaming systems, some people have one of each). The high definition DVD formats, however are really just the same source material packaged in two different wrappers- not to provide choice, mind you, but because the two camps simply are too greedy to combine forces, and not innovative enough to drive two truly separate products successfully. Take careful note – a format war is NOT competition, it is a hindrance and the bane of high definition DVDs.

3. HD DVD and Blu-ray are NOT Quantum Leaps in Technology
Consumers came over in droves when CDs were released back in 1982. The new format offered not only a new digital media, but also a way to instantly access tracks across an entire “album”. Convenience, not technology, drove this format to almost instant consumer adoption. Fast forward a bit to 1997 when the first DVD player was released. Again, convenience, not technology, drove people to the market en masse. Unlike VHS tapes, the new DVD format was smaller, easily navigated and would not wear down over time like existing tape-based formats. Heck, the concept of a shiny plastic disc was new – and quite frankly, it was the coolest thing to hit the technological shelf since solid state technology. In comparison, the high definition DVD formats, save the color of the business side of the disc, look exactly the same… and consumer confusion will surely follow.

What do the new high definition DVD formats offer consumers over DVD? Technology and more storage. Is this enough? Not on your life. Consumers, most of whom rarely know how to properly configure their players or home theater systems, are perfectly content with their current DVD players (and indeed some have just jumped on board to DVD in the last several years). While the potential for more extras and alternate endings exists due to increased storage on the new media, there is no compelling reason for consumers to migrate over to the new high definition DVD formats in large numbers.
4. Studios are Conservative, Greedy and Unmotivated
Studios are so conservative in their practices as to consistently miss out on market advances – even those that can make them money (ie. Why is a computer company running the world’s most successful online music store?) The studios are not jumping on board the high definition DVD bandwagon just yet – and you can see the lack of titles to prove it. If the movie studios decided that HD DVD or Blu-ray (or both) was to be the next dominant format, it need only to flood the market with software titles and present a plan to roll back on DVD production over the next 10 years. Even though this would grant them the secure format that they seem to want (HD DVDs and Blu-ray discs promise to be much harder to rip or duplicate) there is no indication in the industry that this is taking place or even in the works. The studios are making money hand over fist with DVD they cannot seem to bring themselves to seriously initiate a new, unproven technology – even if it saves them from some other copyright headaches.

Add to this the fact that new titles are coming out at $30 a pop (and this down from an initial $35/title) and you have a really hard sell for consumers who are used to $15 titles at Wal-mart and the large electronics chains.
5. Playstation3 Cannot Save the World
We have consistently heard it said that the Playstation3 will “jump start” the market by flooding it with millions of gaming systems capable of handling Blu-ray Disc software. The problem with this theory is that the PS3 is not being marketed as a home theater component and, if current installations prove the rule, most will not be situated in the average consumer’s living room. The result is that the PS3 will primarily be a *gasp* gaming system. Maybe I have a more traditional group of parents in my association of friends, but, taking into account #4 above, I do not think that Blu-ray will make any major leaps forward in market penetration as a home video format – at least not anytime soon.

History is bearing this out, as the HTPC market, though driven hard by such manufacturers as Microsoft, Dell and HP, has struggled to find a place in the living room. Nearly every gaming system of the past: PS2, Xbox, and even the legendary 3DO system have been touted as “set-top boxes” but in reality find themselves situated in more “gaming-centric” environments playing… you guessed it, games.
6. Those Who Ignore History…
For years we’ve heard about the evils of MP3 and illegal downloading. All the while the RIAA and music industry had two formats that could have prevented any illegal copying – at least for all but the most dedicated crackers: DVD-Audio and SACD. These formats proved to be higher quality than CD, presented much enhanced copy protection schemes and were easily used as alternative formats to CD. Yet both formats failed miserably to achieve any significant market penetration. Why? Without an artificial “shove” from the record industry – which never materialized – technology alone is never enough to push a new format into the hands of consumers. In terms of convenience and ease of use, DVD-Audio and SACD offered nothing to consumers. In fact, they made listening to music more complex, since most hardware was unable to correctly decode and provide adequate bass management for the new formats.

Could these formats have succeeded? Absolutely. If the recording industry had presented a plan to phase out CDs and the “format war” had been avoided (simply by the industry picking one format over the other) we would all be using DVD-Audio players and illegal downloadable music would be mostly confined to analogue rips or older music. Is this a stretch? Perhaps, but only because history shows us that corporate greed causes most companies to miss the long term economical gains over a short term loss of licensing revenues.
7. People Want Technology that’s 15 Minutes Ahead of Its Time
For many people, getting into HDTV is all about the widescreen and being able to see their DVDs with more clarity than ever before. When Billy Bob comes home with his new high definition 720p display, the difference between that and his older SD TV is amazing – at least when he’s watching DVDs. You see, that’s the problem – and it’s two-fold. While most consumers are still getting into the HDTV craze, they’re already impressed. And the difference between SD TV and HDTV is more amazing than the difference between 480p DVDs and 1080i downrezzed high definition discs.

The other side of the coin is the lack of HD content available on TV – and this is a biggie. While Billy Bob is impressed by his DVD player, he is dumbfounded by his cable TV – which actually looks worse than it did on his old set (mostly because it’s bigger). You see, nobody told Billy Bob that he’d have to get an antenna or subscribe to HD service from his cable/satellite provider. He was also not told that most of his favorite shows (Billy likes sitcoms and the Sci-Fi Channel) aren’t yet available in HD, regardless of technology or service provider. As a result, many Americans are underwhelmed or feel like they got burned by HDTV. The last thing they’re going to do is rush out and buy the next greatest thing.
8. Enthusiasts Are Getting Tired (and Smarter)
While some home theater audio- and videophiles have the money and inclination to rush out and buy the latest and greatest toys as soon as they are available, many more are becoming more cautious. Burned by 8-track, laserdisc, SACD, and DVD-Audio (and possibly soon non-HDCP HDTV) – these war-weary consumers are going to think long and hard before jumping onto any new technological bandwagons. This leaves a shrunken market of even the bleeding-edge consumers, and that means even less sales to early-adopters.

9. A Skeptical News Media Doesn’t Help
I’ll admit it, we’re part of the “problem” (though I’d like to think we’re saving consumers from making the next big mistake). An increasingly skeptical news media isn’t buying into the hype of HD DVD and Blu-ray, especially not after wasting millions of editorial words on DVD-Audio and SACD, only to watch the software and technology dwindle into obscurity. Even after almost 6 years, most consumers continue to proffer puzzled looks when these audio formats are mentioned. The new DVD formats are getting plenty of press, mind you, but with the Toshiba flop and lack of software, the fact that the Emperor has no clothes (at least not yet) is hard to avoid.

10. Broadband and IPTV to Compete?
With Verizon, AOL, Time Warner and others jumping to provide HD on-demand services for the consumer it is a very likely event that high definition DVD will be something that isn’t relevant in a service-directed marketplace. Add to this Apple Computer’s recent push for video downloads and we may find that consumers are far more interested in quantity, portability, and ease of use over high quality source material. Even with respect to high definition formats, downloadable files burned to consumer-supplied media may make data high definition DVDs more significant than the retail formats. This consumer model is being readied for testing in South Carolina’s head-end for Time Warner Cable this year.

So, while I certainly hope for the best, that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it. High definition is headed for a niche market at best, not an industry takeover.

By Clint DeBoer
http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/10reasonsHDDVDsfailed.php
i agree with him in some points.
 
Who exactly is he writing this to? Everyone that already isn't interested in these formats knows why they aren't interested. They don't need some douche to tell them why.
 

Tabris

Member
Ninja Scooter said:
HD digital download

This will never happen, well not for a long while. It's too bandwidth intensive and takes too long to download at this point. That's at least 10 years away. Enough time for a new format.

We would need to have T1-T3 line's be the standard w/o it being capped/split like it usually is for commercial T1 service for that to be a viable option.
 

rubso

Banned
Tabris said:
This will never happen, well not for a long while. It's too bandwidth intensive and takes too long to download at this point. That's at least 10 years away. Enough time for a new format.

We would need to have T1-T3 line's be the standard w/o it being capped/split like it usually is for commercial T1 service for that to be a viable option.
btw, HD Contents downloading has already started, you could find Anime in HD resolution and TV Shows in HD resolution, and i guess soon we will see Upscaled DVD Movies?
 

suaveric

Member
Tabris said:
This will never happen, well not for a long while. It's too bandwidth intensive and takes too long to download at this point. That's at least 10 years away. Enough time for a new format.

We would need to have T1-T3 line's be the standard w/o it being capped/split like it usually is for commercial T1 service for that to be a viable option.

Better than T-1 speeds are getting to be pretty average for cable customers. And DSLs are starting to get a lot better as well. I'd say a HD disc format is probably got a really good market for 5 years at best before people are able to download movies.
 
Tabris said:
This will never happen, well not for a long while. It's too bandwidth intensive and takes too long to download at this point. That's at least 10 years away. Enough time for a new format.

We would need to have T1-T3 line's be the standard w/o it being capped/split like it usually is for commercial T1 service for that to be a viable option.


by the time it happens people will be ready for it. Right now the general public doesn't care about HD for DVD movies. It wouldn't surpise me at all if regular old DVDs were still going strong in 5-7 years.
 
XMonkey said:
As mentioned, not any time soon.

An HD movie format is not going away so I don't understand these types of articles.

The main point is the fact, that HD-DVD and even Blu-Ray do not offer enough improvement over DVD, and they are clearly rushed to marked. The real next gen video format is still to come.
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
SpoonyBard said:
The main point is the fact, that HD-DVD and even Blu-Ray do not offer enough improvement over DVD, and they are clearly rushed to marked. The real next gen video format is still to come.

Really? So 1080p won't be sufficient?
 
XMonkey said:
Really? So 1080p won't be sufficient?

your average movie watcher isn't going to notice a big enough difference, like they could with VHS-->DVD. In this case its not going be a higher resolution that gets these people in, but something with more convinience. This is something that i think people overlook with DVD. Hell my mom bought a dvd player just so she wouldn't have to rewind anymore. That was a big selling point for her.
 

acidviper

Banned
I thought the whole point of next gen optical disks was to limit piracy and have movies look better than HDTV broadcasts. I mean why buy the DVD of Alias, when the HD-DVD broadcast looks better.
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
1080p is going to be the standard for a very long time (and will obviously take a long time to become established). It's here to stay. Asking for a video format to offer better than 1080p is a little odd considering there won't really be a widespread standard resolution higher than that for probably at least a decade or more.
 

Liquid

Banned
IMO a good DVD player is damn good enough. With the last 360 update i was actually able to stop using my standalone sony DVD player. i dont know how they did it but the picture quality is THAT much better.
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
movie studios can force people to buy into HD-DVD or Blu-Ray if they want to. Who do you think controls the DVD industry anyway? They can do exclusive movie releases of huge movies that will make more and more people invest into the technology
 

Bloodwake

Member
Give HD-DVD and Blu-ray about three years.

Then we can really see if there is going to be a format war or if the technology will catch on.
 
davepoobond said:
movie studios can force people to buy into HD-DVD or Blu-Ray if they want to. Who do you think controls the DVD industry anyway? They can do exclusive movie releases of huge movies that will make more and more people invest into the technology

they aren't stupid though. DVD is big business, i don't think any movie studio would have the balls to ignore the DVD market with a huge movie by making them HD/BD exclusive, at least not in the near future.
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
Ninja Scooter said:
they aren't stupid though. DVD is big business, i don't think any movie studio would have the balls to ignore the DVD market with a huge movie by making them HD/BD exclusive, at least not in the near future.

they're not STUPID enough???

THIS is the association of companies that are SUING people all across the net because of PIRACY, and huge claims of "PIRACY IS KILLING OUR BOTTOMLINE." Blu-Ray/HD-DVD have piracy-prevention, though useless, that the DVD does not have. The movie companies are completely GAY for the new formats.
 

Pellham

Banned
Tabris said:
This will never happen, well not for a long while. It's too bandwidth intensive and takes too long to download at this point. That's at least 10 years away. Enough time for a new format.

We would need to have T1-T3 line's be the standard w/o it being capped/split like it usually is for commercial T1 service for that to be a viable option.

That will easily happen within 5 years. It's something that the industry is already investing in. On the flipside, we don't need a new format until then, DVDs are just fine.

Although you enthusiasts can go ahead and enjoy your blu-ray/hd-dvd, just the rest of the world won't buy into it.

An HD movie format is not going away so I don't understand these types of articles.

HD movie formats are not going mainstream either.

I thought the whole point of next gen optical disks was to limit piracy and have movies look better than HDTV broadcasts. I mean why buy the DVD of Alias, when the HD-DVD broadcast looks better.

maybe because Consumer Joe doesn't have a HDTV or HD-DVD player?

cost of Alias DVD = $20
cost of Alias HD-DVD + HDTV + speakers + HD-DVD player = $4000+

movie studios can force people to buy into HD-DVD or Blu-Ray if they want to. Who do you think controls the DVD industry anyway? They can do exclusive movie releases of huge movies that will make more and more people invest into the technology

Riiiiight. Wouldn't movie studios prefer to make money instead? Why force consumers to buy BRDs/HD-DVDs if they don't have the players? No, movie studios are smart. They won't release HD movies unless there is a huge market for them. They don't care about the technology.

Did you even read the article? did you see what happened to DVD-Audio?
 
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DCharlie

Banned
it's weird - i went looking at various tv's and to be quite honest, almost all of them left me fairly cold ...

and then i saw it...

The Pioneer 50inch Elite...
running nice 1080P content and OH LORD - my wallet is itching so badly ever since.

My point? There are HDtvs and there HD-ZOMGOHFECKOHFECKOHFECK-TVs - perhaps it's 1080P or bust? and that's when these formats will start taking off.
 

medrew

Member
I stopped reading after the misuse of i.e.
If you can't get that right then you can't try and educate me on other terms.
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
Pellham said:
HD movie formats are not going mainstream either.

I think when more people get a taste of HD broadcasts it will. Obviously it won't be mainstream for a couple of years, but neither were DVDs.

Bringing up DVD-Audio is a silly point, btw.
 
Tabris said:
This will never happen, well not for a long while. It's too bandwidth intensive and takes too long to download at this point. That's at least 10 years away. Enough time for a new format.

We would need to have T1-T3 line's be the standard w/o it being capped/split like it usually is for commercial T1 service for that to be a viable option.


South Korea says hello in 2008
 

Pellham

Banned
XMonkey said:
I think when more people get a taste of HD broadcasts it will. Obviously it won't be mainstream for a couple of years, but neither were DVDs.

Bringing up DVD-Audio is a silly point, btw.

I think you're severely overestimating the difference between DVDs and HD formats. This ain't no VHS->DVD leap as has been pointed out numerous times, not just by this article but by plenty of other people in the industry.

Also I don't see the prices of HDTVs and their associated players/speakers drastically going down to a consumer level within 2 years either. Those are required to even take advantage of the HD formats. With VHS->DVD, all you needed was a DVD player.

There will always be a place for high tech formats because there will be rich people with nothing better to spend their money on, but it will be a niche. After all, look at the laserdisc.
 

medrew

Member
Craig Moffett disagrees on HD content to the masses due to pipe restrictions. (He's Vice President & Sr. Analyst/US Cable & Satellite Broadcasting)

[In a series of recent research reports that I entitled “The Dumb
Pipe Paradox” – which I believe provided the original impetus for
the Committee’s invitation to testify today – I tried to address the
expectation that the telcos are rapidly rushing in to meet this need
and to provide competition for cable incumbents. In fact, by their
own best estimates, they’ll be able to reach no more than 40% or so
of American households with fiber over the next seven years.

And most of that will be in the form of hybrid fiber/legacy
copper networks, such as that being constructed by AT&T under the
banner of “Project Lightspeed.” These hybrid networks are
expected to deliver 20Mbs average downstream bandwidth. After
accounting for significant standard deviation around that average,
that will mean many “enabled” subscribers will actually receive far
less. I and many others on Wall Street harbor real doubts as whether
these hybrid networks will prove technologically sufficient to meet
future demands.

More importantly, in 60% of the country, there are simply no
new networks on the horizon, and the existing infrastructure from
the telcos – DSL running at speeds of just 1.5Mbs or so – simply
won’t be adequate to be considered “broadband” in five years or so.
That includes wireless networks, by the way. Current and planned
wireless networks – including the over-hyped Wi-Max technology –
offer the promise of satisfying today’s definition of broadband, but
simply can’t feasibly support the kind of bandwidth required for the
kind of dedicated point-to-point video connections that will be
required to be considered broadband tomorrow. Those demands
will continue to fall to terrestrial wired networks.
 

acidviper

Banned
Pellham said:
maybe because Consumer Joe doesn't have a HDTV or HD-DVD player?

cost of Alias DVD = $20
cost of Alias HD-DVD + HDTV + speakers + HD-DVD player = $4000+
Consumer Joe has BitTorrent
profit for studios = $0
 
I agree with the writer of the article... HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are just two formats that will take up space in most stores' DVD section. I hope both collapse and are forgotten about by next year :/

Wishful thinking.....
 

Pellham

Banned
medrew said:
Craig Moffett disagrees on HD content to the masses due to pipe restrictions. (He's Vice President & Sr. Analyst/US Cable & Satellite Broadcasting)

So in short, HD will simply not become mainstream.

However, digital movie downloads (non-HD) are going to become HUGE in the next couple years, with HD to follow for regions that can support the bandwidth.
 

MetalAlien

Banned
shit, on my 720p projector, through boring old component cables... cheap ones at that, at 92 inches normal DVDs do a VERY good job looking like a real movie theater.

I like the old idea they had of sticking with DVD and using Mpeg4.. honestly I think I am still a few years off caring about HD-DVd or Blu-Ray...
 

milanbaros

Member?
I don't even think the dl movie would need to be in HD to compete just DVD quality. I think it really is conveniance for most people.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
MetalAlien said:
shit, on my 720p projector, through boring old component cables... cheap ones at that, at 92 inches normal DVDs do a VERY good job looking like a real movie theater.

I like the old idea they had of sticking with DVD and using Mpeg4.. honestly I think I am still a few years off caring about HD-DVd or Blu-Ray...


you haven't seen HD then. I agree, DVDs look fabulous on my projector - detail that simply isn't visible on a normal sized TV. But HD has way more - you would be very pleasantly surprised.




I don't buy the hate here. 1080p is as high as TV/movies will be going for a long time. You could consider DVD as the interim technology until HD capable units were out. Both disc formats can deal with 1080p, so there is no need for a 'new' disc format. BD/HDDVD could have longer shelf lives than DVD.

As for downloads - well they might take off over the next few years, but then you still need a box under the TV that can play this stuff. Its not like ipods where you have a little portable unit to take with you. You want it on your PJ/giant TV. And I don't see that many people with PCs in their lounges (heck, the author even says that)
 

suaveric

Member
mrklaw said:
you haven't seen HD then. I agree, DVDs look fabulous on my projector - detail that simply isn't visible on a normal sized TV. But HD has way more - you would be very pleasantly surprised.




I don't buy the hate here. 1080p is as high as TV/movies will be going for a long time. You could consider DVD as the interim technology until HD capable units were out. Both disc formats can deal with 1080p, so there is no need for a 'new' disc format. BD/HDDVD could have longer shelf lives than DVD.

As for downloads - well they might take off over the next few years, but then you still need a box under the TV that can play this stuff. Its not like ipods where you have a little portable unit to take with you. You want it on your PJ/giant TV. And I don't see that many people with PCs in their lounges (heck, the author even says that)


What if you could just plug your moviePod in to your HDTV with a HDMI cable?
 

datruth29

Member
I think the real problem here is that the High Definition formats require more then a purchase of the player. How long did it take for DVD to hit the mass market? 2-3 years? HD will take possibly longer then this. Why? Well, before you even buy the $1000 player and the $30 disks, you still have to buy the $1500 HDTV set that is required to play these players. So before the average consumer even considers investing in a High Definition format, they first have to invest in a brand new tv. Not only any HDTV, but as many users stated on this board, 1080p is buy or bust.
 

MetalAlien

Banned
mrklaw said:
you haven't seen HD then. I agree, DVDs look fabulous on my projector - detail that simply isn't visible on a normal sized TV. But HD has way more - you would be very pleasantly surprised.

I've played the sample videos on the 360 that are suppose to sell you on the idea of HD-DVD (720p).. maybe if I had a better connection like HDMI (I know the 360 doesn't do that) it would look way sharper but the way it's currently set up it looked almost exactly the same.

That besides the point, my home theater is suppose to replicate what it's like to watch a movie at the real theater..... with current DVDs... it's close enough that I just don't worry about it getting any sharper... It works now......

If they can make it way sharper, I don't think it would make me way happier when I have already reached the goal I was looking for.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
HD movie trailers on the 360 are not indicative of good HD.

And if you had a 'moviepod' they would most likely not be HD, they'd be portable and optimised for convenience not quality.
 

Ponn

Banned
Cheap consumers trying to hold back new technology for the rest of us, yup, sounds like the people bitching about DVD when it first came out when I was working at Blockbuster.

Sorry, digital downloads can go **** themselves. I like buying my movies, I like having a collection, I don't like compressed lossy shit, I don't like the idea of having to buy a god knows how big HDD player thingy for my HT system, I don't like the idea of one power surge wiping out my entire HD movie collection stored on said system, I don't have broadband yet that can reasonably download 20GB HD movies yet and don't see that happening anytime soon.

Suck it up people. Anything else on the horizon is a ways away and would just be overkill for what is current and upcoming HT standards. Want to be obstinate and not enjoy the better picture? Fine, stick with DVD's, but don't try and ruin it for the rest of us.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
I wrote an angry rant about this, but that ended up screwing up, so I'll just say, the retards that wish for the down fall of both formats so that HVD can take its place deserve the none eventuating format they're waiting for.
 

cvxfreak

Member
Sticking with DVDs would, in a way, ruin it for everyone else, though.

Kind of unfortunate, really. I'm ready for HD, too.
 

zou

Member
Tabris said:
This will never happen, well not for a long while. It's too bandwidth intensive and takes too long to download at this point. That's at least 10 years away. Enough time for a new format.

Not really. What are current HD-DVDs at? 18-20GB? That's only 2-3hrs with DL speeds that are already available even in backwards Germany (when it comes to Broadband).
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
I've already stopped buying new DVDs apart from cheap clearance stuff. Instead I'm building my wishlist for HD.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
zou said:
Not really. What are current HD-DVDs at? 18-20GB? That's only 2-3hrs with DL speeds that are already available even in backwards Germany (when it comes to Broadband).

So 1-5% of people have access to adequate broadband speeds suddenly makes it not only the preferred method of distribution but the only way?

Get real man; the reality of upgrading infrastructure for many countries is that it's damnably expensive, and there's no guarantee everyone will use it when its there (in spread out countries like Australia or even America, large proportions of the population will be without adequately fast internet).

Given that we're pushing the limits of the conventional copper infrastructure, it will take at least a couple decades for most of the developed world to provide enough of their population with high speed internet access where wide distribution of HD on the net becomes feasible, much less most popular.
 
Ponn01 said:
Cheap consumers trying to hold back new technology for the rest of us, yup, sounds like the people bitching about DVD when it first came out when I was working at Blockbuster.

Exactly. It seems like most of the people complaining weren't around for the launch of DVD to witness all of its problems. Most of that list was said about DVD when it came out.
 

DDayton

(more a nerd than a geek)
dynamitejim said:
Exactly. It seems like most of the people complaining weren't around for the launch of DVD to witness all of its problems. Most of that list was said about DVD when it came out.

The thing is, I really see Blue Ray and HD DVD as more akin to laser disks than DVDs.
 

bud

Member
5. Playstation3 Cannot Save the World
We have consistently heard it said that the Playstation3 will “jump start” the market by flooding it with millions of gaming systems capable of handling Blu-ray Disc software. The problem with this theory is that the PS3 is not being marketed as a home theater component and, if current installations prove the rule, most will not be situated in the average consumer’s living room. The result is that the PS3 will primarily be a *gasp* gaming system. Maybe I have a more traditional group of parents in my association of friends, but, taking into account #4 above, I do not think that Blu-ray will make any major leaps forward in market penetration as a home video format – at least not anytime soon.

this is wrong right?
 
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