Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
http://www.projectoffset.com/technology.html
IMO, looks somewhat like those PS3 renders.....amazing stuff.....
IMO, looks somewhat like those PS3 renders.....amazing stuff.....
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Amaaaaaaazing new graphics engine:The Offset Engine
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Discordian_taco
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HAHAHAHA you read my mind. :lol
I don't think the UE3 engine is going to stay on top indefinitely. I know it seems like such an unbelievable, untouchable engine, but I think it'll be topped, if not reletively soon. Of course I'm sure they're already well underway on UE4, but I think iD's next engine, or a next-gen console developer (Probably either Konami, SquareEnix, Sega, Sony, or Capcom) will outdo it. Perhaps even Renderware, if the Fight Night demo is any indication. And if Sony actually has an engine that can do stuff like the Getaway demo and the Killzone and Motorstorm videos, in real-time, they win.
Randam_Hajile
Member
I just watched that video three times. Daaaamn, that looks really, really nice.
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Just saw this on B3D, yeah it looks great. I would love a Metroid title that looks that good.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Where did you hear that??
The thing I liked about those models were that they looked REAL close up....
To me, it looked like a video of a clay model you would have up on your shelf.....it seem to be almost physically 3D and not a polygon model, if you get my drift....
The thing I liked about those models were that they looked REAL close up....
To me, it looked like a video of a clay model you would have up on your shelf.....it seem to be almost physically 3D and not a polygon model, if you get my drift....
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Doube D said:
Why not say its a engine for development, would have made alot more sense then giving dodgy answers on rather or not the demo was realtime or target video. Interesting rumor to say the least.
Mr Nash
square pies = communism
The cool thing about the engine is how it can take a model made up of millions of polygons, and squish it down to a few thousand, yet the image still looks amazing. The fact that only three people worked on all of this is very impressive. Their last game, Savage (PC), was pretty damn good and it only had 7 people on the team.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Aren't Normal maps just a type of height maps??
I think you may be thinking of tesselation???
I think you may be thinking of tesselation???
Mr Nash said:
Yeah, normal mapping does the same thing.
I'm not sure, but I think normal mapping effectively stores the angle of each texture pixel, so it can reflect light accordingly. Because this gives you per pixel lighting, you don't need discrete polygons, so you can reduce your polycount a lot while still having the detail from a high poly model.
robertsan21
Member
not that i know anything about game development and shit but this looks awsome!
the lighting effects on thaat first dude was awsome and it looks real close up.
by the way what was that music that they played in this video clip ?
the lighting effects on thaat first dude was awsome and it looks real close up.
by the way what was that music that they played in this video clip ?
Normal mapping gives you per pixel normals [among a lot of other things, normals are used for lighting calculations]. So instead of having per vertex lighting based on the average of all the surrounding triangles, you get per pixel lighting based off of some map, namely the normal map. You can take a really hi poly models, and take the normals off if and make a normal map and apply it to a much lower poly character and it will look almost as good. Or you could just create a random normal map. Kind of like going from per triangle lighting, which gives a faceted look, to per vertex lighting which gives a much more round look. Take that to per pixel lighting which is based off of a much higher polygon object and it looks amazing.
robertsan21
Member
Borys said:Yup, read on some dev's site that it costs up to $1M.
Luckily there were always some alternatives (Mr Carmack).
This engine looks dope, that's true next-gen stuff, amazing.
I cannot wait till Epic buys them out and kills the project
sorry for sounding like a retard when i am asking this question
but what do you mean when you say
It looks amazing. Inspiring that just 3 guys did that (and seemingly only 1 is really doing the coding!). However, how much of the rest of the engine is there beyond rendering? I know they have a little bit from their game in there, but I wonder how solid the rest of the engine currently is compared to its rendering (which looks great). Doing a full game engine is a lot of work!
robertsan21
Member
Doube D said:
yes i understood that, but it sounded like Borys said it in a tone that it has happend before.
EDIT: Borys answerd the question
Doube D said:
Part of the problem is that you can do so many things in so many different ways. Everything has tradeoffs. So you start making decisions...and those decisions might be wise, or screw you over later.
Not to mention that it is just a lot of hard graft. And a lot of research, especially if you're starting from scratch with no prior knowledge.
Nick Laslett
Member
Didn't Ezra Dreisbach create the Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance game engine pretty much on his own?
I wonder what he is cooking-up for the next gen. When he was at Lobotomy he did the excellent Powerslave (Exhumed) engine for the Saturn, that was also used for the ace Quake 1 conversion.
When you think the Saturn had Quake 1 only a year after the PC release, Tomb Raider (before PSOne), a Resident Evil conversion, a WipeOut conversion and all the Sega 1st Party games, it is amazing it did so badly. The PSOne never got Quake, Quake 2 turned up a long time later, but the Saturn really owned the PSone in the FPS genre in those early days.
I wonder what he is cooking-up for the next gen. When he was at Lobotomy he did the excellent Powerslave (Exhumed) engine for the Saturn, that was also used for the ace Quake 1 conversion.
When you think the Saturn had Quake 1 only a year after the PC release, Tomb Raider (before PSOne), a Resident Evil conversion, a WipeOut conversion and all the Sega 1st Party games, it is amazing it did so badly. The PSOne never got Quake, Quake 2 turned up a long time later, but the Saturn really owned the PSone in the FPS genre in those early days.
Leatherface
Member
So whats up with that "Epic Fantasy FPS"? That looks hot!
Foreign Jackass
Member
I highly doubt that.Dr_Cogent said:
Foreign Jackass said:
You do realize that id software is a company of about 25 people right?
Game engines aren't usually huge team efforts. That's art and content. Engines are usually developed by small teams.
Check it out.
Not a very large effort. If you count "game engine" programmers - there are 2. If you want to throw the sound engine guy in there that makes 3.
midnightguy
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[optimistic mode turn on]
whoa! the video of The Offset Engine shows us that Killzone render can be done in realtime!
whoa! the video of The Offset Engine shows us that Killzone render can be done in realtime!
Discordian_taco
Member
The days of the lone-engine-programmer-hero sitting in front of a monitor with a cup of coffee in one hand and a cigarette in the other are over. There is too much involved in writing an engine on your own (trust me I know) the smart thing to do is do what Epic does and thats write your own Renderer, AI, and Network code as well as their tools but outsource everything else. For example Epic outsource their physics (Novadex) and their texture utilities (Kaldera - texture baking/normal maps, Pixomatic - texture compression) and I think even their sound. They also have a team of 30 devs dedicated to just the engine. However I dont think people should count out Renderware, its cheap and flexible enough to let you extend it yourself. I have worked with it and they do a lot of retarded stuff but for the most part anything you dont like you can rip out. UE 3.0 is just too freakin' expensive, if it was up to me I would write my own engine for next gen especially the renderer since we now have high level apis for ALL the consoles for once (opengl, dx9).
jboldiga said:
No one was talking about outsourcing here. That doesn't count as developers working on an engine. If you take that approach, you might as well include all the devs who write the underlying APIs, compilers, linkers,... blah blah blah. The game engine had thousands of people working on it now.
Hell, count Win32 API for PC games and you just added a buttload of people to the list for a PC game engine.
God's Hand
Banned
Engines are easier to create these days. But in the end, it might be easier just to buy UE3 and focus on content.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
capslock said:
watch the video. the great thing about this engine is that the characters are not noticeably bump-mapped (i.e., they arent shiny) . at first, i seriously thought i was staring at clay models ..