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AMD Ryzen 9000 Zen 5 "Granite Ridge" Desktop Processors Launch Late-July

AMD's next-generation Ryzen 9000 series "Granite Ridge" desktop processors based on the "Zen 5" microarchitecture, is rumored to launch in late-July, 2024, according to multiple sources in the ChipHell tech forums. The first four SKUs in the processor series will include one each of 16-core...

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AMD Computex keynote is June 3, they'll probably have estimates there so I might close the poll when that happens.

Will Zen5 beat the current gaming champion, Zen4 3D?

When I say raw gaming performance I am talking the average results from multiple reviews, not cherry picked benchmarks.

As an example, when these CPUs launch there will be a chart like the one listed below, that compares results across multiple reviews so we can have a good idea how Zen5 compares to other CPUs in gaming performance (avg. Game Perf. which is bolded towards the bottom of the chart below, shows the avg. in this example from 2022, the year where the 13900K was the fastest gaming CPU)

 

[OverHeat]

Where are the 7000 series x3D in your chart? Or the 14000 series

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

10-15% faster is my guess

 

[OverHeat]

Will wait for the x3D variant…

 

[Unknown Soldier]

LOL who cares about the base Zen 5 at the point when we all know there will 3D versions a few months later

 

[Leonidas]

Where are the 7000 series x3D in your chart? Or the 14000 series

The chart is nothing more than an example.

 

[OverHeat]

LOL who cares about the base Zen 5 at the point when we all know there will 3D versions a few months later

Exactly

 

[Bojji]

7700x was around 5800X3D so I guess 9700X will be ~7800X3D.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I have a 7800X3D and I doubt there will be a worthwhile upgrade. I won’t go above 8 cores unless there starts to be a benefit in gaming.

 

[demented waffle]

The chart is nothing more than an example.

So you're bitching about AMD cherry-picking results and you do it yourself. You need a new tag.

 

[Celcius]

I assume the 9700X will be faster than the 7800X3D, otherwise I feel like there was no point in making it.

 

[demented waffle]

I assume the 9700X will be faster than the 7800X3D, otherwise I feel like there was no point in making it.

Well, the 7700x isn't faster than the 5800x3d in gaming either but is still a good chip.

 

[Kataploom]

LMAO at the parenthesis lol

 

[SolidQ]

we all know there will 3D versions a few months later

Next year summer is planning. No competition, no rush for X3D

 

[Codeblew]

I was hoping there would be a 12 core per CCD version. Maybe Zen 6...

 

[GHG]

Why is everything being compared to the 13900k?

My vote is that whatever it is it won't have Oodle decompression errors.

 

[hinch7]

Rumored to be around 20% IPC gain, so thereabouts for gaming, on average.

 

[Leonidas]

So you're bitching about AMD cherry-picking results and you do it yourself...

Would you rather I use this latest one instead?

It doesn't change the poll options. And its harder to read, since when they go over 10 CPUs they have to do these weird abreviations other wise the whole thing won't fit the way its formatted...

Why is everything being compared to the 13900k?

The chart is merely an example, from 2022. Would it be better if I include the chart above instead?

 

[Spyxos]

They will never do it faster than 10%, at most 15%. They want to sell something again in 2 years.

 

[SHA]

Planned obsolescence, just like dragon ball power system.

 

[Black_Stride]

~10-15% boost in gaming.

7800X3D remains king of the hill.
9700X trades blows with the 13900K.

If AMD have gained more than 15% in gaming gen on gen clock for clock that would be absolutely incredible.
The chips have only gained 100MHz at lower TDP so maybe more overclocking headroom?
Theyve only added 100Mhz to the boost clock.

Damn. New CPU releases always make me think of upgrading my CPU.......but this damn 12400 is still holding on.
Can Intel announce their shit so people start offloading 13th/14th gen i7s already.

 

[FireFly]

They will never do it faster than 10%, at most 15%. They want to sell something again in 2 years.

Zen 4 and Zen 3 both improved gaming performance by around 20% or more. TSMC N4P alone should clock 11% higher than the N5 process used by Zen 4.

 

[Leonidas]

Zen 4 and Zen 3 both improved gaming performance by around 20% or more. TSMC N4P alone should clock 11% higher than the N5 process used by Zen 4.

Zen2 wasn't that good in gaming so Zen3 being 20% better wasn't that impressive.
Zen4 being 20% better than Zen3 was good, but Intel was another 10% faster in the same year on an old node.

Zen5 is not going to be clocked 11% higher, the speeds are out there, they are the same boost speeds as Zen4. Best case they might clock slightly higher...

If Zen5 is 20% faster than Zen4 in gaming, I will be surprised.

 

[FireFly]

Zen5 is not going to be clocked 11% higher, the speeds are out there, they are the same boost speeds as Zen4. Best case they might clock slightly higher...

As far as I can find, there were no clock speeds listed in the Gigabyte leak. The 5.8 GHz leak was from an engineering sample.

 

[Insane Metal]

The chart is nothing more than an example.

An example that let out the best gaming CPU in a gaming CPU chart. Riiiight

 

[Leonidas]

An example that let out the best gaming CPU in a gaming CPU chart. Riiiight

This same chart I also posted in this thread?

 

[DiddyInAHellcat]

I'm gonna wait for the X3D versions but I think the non X3D gonna be about 10-20% faster

 

[TransTrender]

I don't expect much and I'll wait for the X3D variant because it will be cheaper, use less power, and be faster, unless AMD decides to fuck around again.

 

[Celcius]

~10-15% boost in gaming.

7800X3D remains king of the hill.
9700X trades blows with the 13900K.

If AMD have gained more than 15% in gaming gen on gen clock for clock that would be absolutely incredible.
The chips have only gained 100MHz at lower TDP so maybe more overclocking headroom?
Theyve only added 100Mhz to the boost clock.

Damn. New CPU releases always make me think of upgrading my CPU.......but this damn 12400 is still holding on.
Can Intel announce their shit so people start offloading 13th/14th gen i7s already.

Intel also has presentations planned for computex next week right?

 

[Leonidas]

Intel also has presentations planned for computex next week right?

Yeah, there will be an update about Arrow Lake at Computex. Hopefully they show something interesting.

The full reveal is probably in late September at Intel Innovation 2024, though.

 

[Black_Stride]

Intel also has presentations planned for computex next week right?

Yup.
The day after AMD too.
But im guessing they wont give us too many figures they will save ArrowLake full reveal for Innovation 2024.

Still it would be interesting if they do give us a bunch of ArrowLake figures so we can start extrapolating Zen5 vs ArrowLake.
Should I sell my current PC and upgrade to ArrowLake this year or skip LGA-1851 entirely......the next few presentations will tell.

 

[Zathalus]

Zen 3x3D and Zen 4 were similar so I expect the same.

 

[StereoVsn]

I have a 7800X3D and I doubt there will be a worthwhile upgrade. I won’t go above 8 cores unless there starts to be a benefit in gaming.

Same for gaming purposes. Don’t see a reason to upgrade considering that new GPU will bring a lot more benefits.

That said I am kind of tempted to get something better for productivity side since I started messing around with AI models a while back. However I don’t want to give up 3D cache or pay $600+ for CPU.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Same for gaming purposes. Don’t see a reason to upgrade considering that new GPU will bring a lot more benefits.

That said I am kind of tempted to get something better for productivity side since I started messing around with AI models a while back. However I don’t want to give up 3D cache or pay $600+ for CPU.

At the end of the day we will see. I would consider another CPU if it allows me to get more out of my 4090.

Computex can't get here soon enough!

 

[StereoVsn]

At the end of the day we will see. I would consider another CPU if it allows me to get more out of my 4090.

Computex can't get here soon enough!

I only have a 3080Ti so yeah, a 4090 may benefit from an upgrade. If you do AI training/inference that would be even more beneficial most likely.

 

[Celcius]

It kinda feels like a never ending cycle of something new always being around the corner: Zen 5 launch next month -> new Intel platform this fall -> Zen5 X3D early next year -> etc...

For those who do jump on the initial Zen 5 chips I'm sure you'll still have a great experience whether it's gaming or productivity.
Also, the 7800X3D has a 120w TDP... if the 8c/16t 9700X can perform similarly or even better at only 65w then that will be incredible imho. (as someone who uses air cooling)

 

[SantaC]

Yeah, there will be an update about Arrow Lake at Computex. Hopefully they show something interesting.

The full reveal is probably in late September at Intel Innovation 2024, though.

intel wont make it in time as Zen 5 launches in july.

 

[Leonidas]

intel wont make it in time as Zen 5 launches in july.

Obviously not, just like 2022 when they didn't make the Zen4 launch.

But in 2022 they beat Zen4 in gaming, the same will probably happen this year, which is why I will wait, just like I did in 2022.

 

[OverHeat]

Obviously not, just like 2022 when they didn't make the Zen4 launch.

But in 2022 they beat Zen4 in gaming, the same will probably happen this year, which is why I will wait, just like I did in 2022.

Then the x3D will come out…it’s always going to be a ping pong game.

 

[FireFly]

Obviously not, just like 2022 when they didn't make the Zen4 launch.

But in 2022 they beat Zen4 in gaming, the same will probably happen this year, which is why I will wait, just like I did in 2022.

Of course, the gaming crown only matters between December and April, or whenever the Zen 5 X3D chips launch. The other times of the year are the official "waiting for Intel" periods.

 

[Leonidas]

Then the x3D will come out…it’s always going to be a ping pong game.

Not necessarily.

Zen5 3D might lose to Arrow Lake. I don't know if AMD can beat Intel without a huge node advantage.

Of course, the gaming crown only matters between December and April, or whenever the Zen 5 X3D chips launch. The other times of the year are the official "waiting for Intel" periods.

For me it matters when I'm upgrading, which happens to be this Fall, then I probably won't care for another 2-3 years.

 

[FireFly]

For me it matters when I'm upgrading, which happens to be this Fall, then I probably won't care for another 2-3 years.

If Arrow Lake was delayed till April 2025, would you still upgrade in Fall?

 

[Leonidas]

If Arrow Lake was delayed till April 2025, would you still upgrade in Fall?

I upgrade only after seeing two new architectures from both manufacturers, so yes, I'd wait.

If Intel was first and Zen5 was second, I'd wait too.

 

[poppabk]

I expect them to again dominate Intel with cheaper, faster and less power hungry, less heat generating CPU's. Probably will be the final nail in the coffin for Intel.

 

[MikeM]

It kinda feels like a never ending cycle of something new always being around the corner: Zen 5 launch next month -> new Intel platform this fall -> Zen5 X3D early next year -> etc...

For those who do jump on the initial Zen 5 chips I'm sure you'll still have a great experience whether it's gaming or productivity.
Also, the 7800X3D has a 120w TDP... if the 8c/16t 9700X can perform similarly or even better at only 65w then that will be incredible imho. (as someone who uses air cooling)

Resist the fomo. Unless you actually are having a bad time with your CPU, no need to upgrade.

My 7600x has been plenty for my 7900xt. Im only possibly considering the 9800x3d but thats only if games start to really hammer my CPU. So far, only one game has been CPU limited to the point of turning off RT (Spiderman Remastered).

 

[hybrid_birth]

 

[Leonidas]

I expect them to again dominate Intel with cheaper, faster and less power hungry, less heat generating CPU's. Probably will be the final nail in the coffin for Intel.

Nothing from Zen4 dominated the 13600K.

13600K was faster in gaming and faster in multi-thread apps against more expensive Zen4 CPUs...

 

[winjer]

Nothing from Zen4 dominated the 13600K.

13600K was faster in gaming and faster in multi-thread apps against more expensive Zen4 CPUs...

Somehow, you manage to turn all AMD threads you create into an Intel thread.
FFS, chill out a bit.

 

[poppabk]

Nothing from Zen4 dominated the 13600K.

13600K was faster in gaming and faster in multi-thread apps against more expensive Zen4 CPUs...

Dominated.

 

[Sanepar]

Ready for 9800x3d and 5080 for a new machine.