Simply put, US is not ready to become an European social democratic country. Which is sad, cause it's the only way I would live in the US.
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Bernie Sanders: Youd Find Unkind Stuff About Hillary Clinton In My Emails, Too
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Simply put, US is not ready to become an European social democratic country. Which is sad, cause it's the only way I would live in the US.
Sierra Blanca for one thing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eoin-higgins/what-about-sierra-blanca-bernie_b_9233818.html
Essentially there was low level nuclear waste being generated by a Vermont power plant, and Bernie struck a deal with W to have the waste deposited in a largely Latino town in Texas near the Mexico border. And he stripped out an amendment that would have allowed the town to sue to get it reversed. Ultimately, the bill didn't pass, and Vermont didn't start shipping the waste to Texas until 2012, and it went to a facility. So not a huge deal. Still, in Sanders 2014 tax returns he got a kickback for it, and he flat out refused to hear the community's appeal back in 1998. This would've been everywhere. He's got skeletons, Clinton just didn't really hit him hard in the primaries because it wasn't necessary and he was popular.
Aaronrules380
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I'm looking for the link right now. It's been a while since I've gone to that post and I don't have it bookmarked
Melkezadek
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Much respect. Humans being human.
Well yeah, cause of all the fucking rednecks ruining it for the rest of us.
univariate
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I don't think I ever checked that out(or I don't remember), but I will.
Already Torn
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We know, Bernie. You included them in your speeches too for a while.
theclosetfan
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Trump would have dragged Jane Sanders tenure as president of Burlington College kicking and screaming into the public eye. You'd be hearing about how Bernie used his status as a Senator to get his wife's school a loan they weren't qualified for, how the school went under and how she got a nice golden parachute. He *would* be calling him corrupt and liar, with the added flavor of hypocrisy in his rhetoric sprinkled on top.
The Technomancer
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For starters the possible "corruption" of that whole funding mess with the college his wife was on the board of
Liberals prefer compromise, conservatives prefer hardlining.
Sweeney Tom
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Pretty obvious he wants Bernie voters, not Bernie
I don't agree with that last bit on Hillary but yes, Bernie would have had a tough time actually getting what he wanted done. His campaign emphasized revolution for that very reason. I think he knows he would have needed one to not only get elected but to actually get anything passed as well.
Already Torn
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Nah, there's no way Bernie would have done as well in debates, Trump would have been able to take care of him similarly to his primary opponents. Focus on calling him crazy and the socialism angle, and he'd get momentum because Bernie wouldn't be able to get under his skin the way Hillary did.
But in all fairness, with Bernie instead of Hillary the debates may not have mattered as much. You'd still have the Access Hollywood tape too, it's just every post-debate cycle probably wouldn't be about the embarrassing sexist thing Trump blurred out at Hillary.
Bernie's candidacy would have turned the election into a referendum on communism. Don't believe me? Look up "Breadline Bernie". That alone would devastate his campaign, and believe me there's way worse stuff out there. You don't even want to know what he wrote about what women fantasize about in his college papers.
gutter_trash
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Wikileaks is full of crap, only targeting one candidate while ignoring the orange menace
Bernie is right and honest, his camp probably wrote nasty emails to each other among Devine and Weaver the same way Podesta, Abadeen and Mook emailed each other.
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now on the alternate universe of Bernie vs Trump. Bernie is too emotional and Trump would have toyed with Bernie's emotions.
Hillary Clinton trained hard to be in total control against Trump, she did well in Debates 1 & 3 but buckled a bit in Debate 2. But overall, she did a fantastic job being in command of the debate.
I highly doubt that someone so passionate and emotional as Sanders would have been able to control himself while debating Donald Trump
Hillary's calmness and strategic intelligence defeated Trump
Bernie is right and honest, his camp probably wrote nasty emails to each other among Devine and Weaver the same way Podesta, Abadeen and Mook emailed each other.
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now on the alternate universe of Bernie vs Trump. Bernie is too emotional and Trump would have toyed with Bernie's emotions.
Hillary Clinton trained hard to be in total control against Trump, she did well in Debates 1 & 3 but buckled a bit in Debate 2. But overall, she did a fantastic job being in command of the debate.
I highly doubt that someone so passionate and emotional as Sanders would have been able to control himself while debating Donald Trump
Hillary's calmness and strategic intelligence defeated Trump
I think the position he is likely to inherit in the Senate is something he'll probably enjoy more than the Presidency. He's going to love it.
Not when it comes to TPP and Collateral Murder.
gutter_trash
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Wikileaks is now nothing but a propaganda tool with 400 lbs hackers sitting on their beds in Russia
as a Swede, I would expect you to be more appreciative about the threat that Russia poses in Eastern Europe by weakening NATO, weakening the EU and weakening the West
And Bernie's campaign purposefully never released his full taxes.
SteveMeister
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We really, really need him and Warren in the Senate. It's far better to keep the left-leaning Senators already in congress than to risk their seats being filled with someone less progressive.
Now, Sanders' message is out, he's influenced the Democrats by bringing in a huge number of supporters, and he can work with the Clinton administration should she be elected to effect the types of changes his supporters want.
It's better this way.
We also need to remember that Sanders is not a Democrat. He ran as one because he would have had an extremely difficult time gaining any traction otherwise, but it should come as absolutely no shock to anyone that the DNC would push one of their own over an outsider. I mean, look what happened to the RNC this cycle...
I don't want to rag on Bernie because I respect what he brought to the primary conversation (more or less) and respect the work he did at and now after the convention. But I think a few of you guys overstate just a tad his debating prowess.
Like getting Iran and Saudi Arabia to team up in tackling ISIS?
Like getting Iran and Saudi Arabia to team up in tackling ISIS?
andthebeatgoeson
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Let's all agree that Donald would have found a way to lose to Joe Lieberman.
Bernie would have wrecked him, would not be adept at down ballot races and would have been terrible at dealing with Congress, as president.
The Donald is a worst case scenario.
Bernie would have wrecked him, would not be adept at down ballot races and would have been terrible at dealing with Congress, as president.
The Donald is a worst case scenario.
And_Gignac
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I can't wait for Clinton to win so he can come back to scalp her from ha roots.
gutter_trash
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Bernie would not have wrecked Donald, too emotional, body language, appearance
Hillary did not even flinch, blink or flutter when Donald muttered ''What a nasty woman''
She destroyed Trump by being an Ice Queen and demonstrated calm, smarts and wit
Sanders would have gotten offended and get all angry on stage making Donald appear to be calmer.
Hillary did not even flinch, blink or flutter when Donald muttered ''What a nasty woman''
She destroyed Trump by being an Ice Queen and demonstrated calm, smarts and wit
Sanders would have gotten offended and get all angry on stage making Donald appear to be calmer.
FunkyMunkey
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yep. people saying bernie would've dominated trump let alone beat him in debates, make me laugh. dude would've hunched over so far and wagged his finger so fast he would've created a black hole of bitterness on stage. bernie would've been the means in which trump would get elected. we are fortunate it's hillary who went up against him, even barring the "corrupt" name-calling and witch-hunt
bernie belongs exactly where he will end up. moderate power and responsibilities while still answering to the president, not being the actual president
I honestly just dont understand how people communicate via e-mail for business. All my stuff is innocuous as shit for a reason. i dont gossip about people, i dont talk bad about anyone just keep it straight and to the point.
Some people get upset with me because i dont get all cutesy in e-mails which is annoying to me.
Some people get upset with me because i dont get all cutesy in e-mails which is annoying to me.
This is not remotely true.
I work at a University which is a state agency technically so all my emails can be subject to FOIA so I usually try and be very careful. They have a high-stress/24 hours a day job though that probably doesn't allow for as much time to be spent on candor.
FunkyMunkey
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it's funny to me because it's objectively incorrect from every possible angle
You jest, but most comments I see on public facebook pages are worse. Many people seem to think Hillary has a kill list and Bernie bought his way off of it by submitting to her.
hammysaurusrex
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Yeah, go figure, a guy who has been in politics for his whole life understands how political campaigns work.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the gesture of why he's saying this. But I feel bad for his supporters who were so far gone they really thought he was a stranger in a strange land and not someone entirely comfortable with getting into the political swamp with brass knuckles on.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the gesture of why he's saying this. But I feel bad for his supporters who were so far gone they really thought he was a stranger in a strange land and not someone entirely comfortable with getting into the political swamp with brass knuckles on.
Principate
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Nah that would have ridiculously unlikely regardless of who Trump was up against. The grabbed her by the pussy with and sunk him against anybody. Best you can argue is that it would be closer but there's no way Bernie or any other democratic candidate would be so awful as to actually lose to Trump. Trump torpedoed his own campaign by having a graveyard in his closet.
googleplex
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Not only Would Bernie NOT have done as well against Trump but Bernie doesn't have the know how or the pure political machine that Hillary has to help the down ballot races.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's 14 days to the election people. Stop re-litigating the damn primaries.
Lord Frieza
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Eh, I will never really subscribe to the Bernie worship. Nothing against him per say, but his policies were always pie in the sky, and like the SNL sketch, he sort of 'yadda yadda'd through the truly important parts. I know he became this progressive messiah, especially to younger people, but I'll always feel like Clinton was the better and more realistic Presidential candidate than Bernie. He fits better within the Senate than he would've has a realistic President, in my opinion.
Bernie wasn't even the same league as Clinton as a debater, and that showed in the primary debates, quite frankly. I honestly doubt anyone could have done much better than she did at the debates, to be honest. I know people just wanted to see savage and continuous evisceration of Trump at the debates, but I don't think that would look as great as many think it would.
Bernie wasn't even the same league as Clinton as a debater, and that showed in the primary debates, quite frankly. I honestly doubt anyone could have done much better than she did at the debates, to be honest. I know people just wanted to see savage and continuous evisceration of Trump at the debates, but I don't think that would look as great as many think it would.
He thinks it's an "enemy of my enemy" play. The same way when Obama won the nom he went on TV to say Hillary was the shit.
Monocle
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I don't know, she stomped his shit pretty thoroughly in the third debate.
One would think that after the primaries people would stop with insecurities by calling Bernie inept and bad at what he does. Hillary has been inside Federal government for much longer and definately has a better grasp on it, including the not so pretty things about it, but still going on about how he has nowhere near the stature to run for office just because he rambled a few times at rallies is just bizarre.
User 463088
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Um, Bernie never won a single debate against Hillary, so I don't think he would have done very well against Trump. One of the reasons Hillary did so well was she won the temperament argument. A lot of people liked Bernie's...fire and passion, but it would be easy enough to spin that as somehow equal to Trump's insanity. (I'm not saying they are equal. They're not, but it's one of those OPTICS issues that the media loves to go on about).
But good on Bernie. The type of things the hacked emails released are 100% normal campaign talk.
Any thread related to Bernie on this forum turns into the same thing at this point.
The Lamonster
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Bernie is still sick of hearing about the damn emails. I am too. Jesus
BlastProcessing
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Sanders was the chair of the Veterans Affairs Senate Committee while the whole thing crumbled and he did nothing.
I have a feeling that this story would have been the backbone of the GOP attack. To be clear, I don't fault Sanders more than I would any politician, but he definitely has failures that, when exposed in the light of a general election, would have been major issues.
BlastProcessing
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The poll numbers suggest that the Access Hollywood tape didn't actually move poll numbers. Trump's freefall started at the first debate. The numbers suggest that Clinton's debate performance and the Alicia Machado trap are what sunk Trump.
gutter_trash
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Hillary is way more subject to negative double standards,
a man who gets angry is labeled as passionate,
a man who laughs is labeled as ''a guy I wanna have a bear with'' and loads of bullshit like that
whenever Hillary raises her voice, she is called out for being shrill.
whenever Hillary laughs, she is called out for cackling,
whenever Hillary gets calm, she is labeled as being ice cold.
whenever Hillary gets wonky on policy, she is labeled for being robotic.
but wait, when a man gets emotional oh he is being passionate..
That's the double standard that Hillary has to fight through.
the reason why Hillary is ''calculated'' is because she is aware of all that bullshit double standard imposed on women who even express a iota of emotion on stage.
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anyway, Hillary controlled the debates and this video clip below demonstrates total control:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2KOQfZ0Zd0
The dem primary debates were much closer than the presidential debates, let's not pretend Bernie did poorly. At this point, it's all conjecture about how a Bernie/Trump debate would have played out. I'm not even saying he would have done better than Hillary, just that he'd have been able to be more overtly aggressive which could have been great to see.
Uh, I don't see how this is a response to the post you quoted. Yes, she's victim to far more hypocritical judgement, I mentioned that earlier as well.
Already Torn
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I'm just imagining frantic hand waving on one side of the screen and frantic finger waving on the other. Wrinkled pale flesh everywhere.
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