Kenpachii
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That doesn’t make any sense.
Makes perfect sense.
That doesn’t make any sense.
Makes perfect sense.
Your belief is “the fact that we exist must inherently mean we become animals after we die.”
That doesn’t make any sense.
Not really. I assume we could reincarnate as another species if our own species was to die out. Otherwise the idea would be flawed.
Why would you assume that.
If we are reincarnated perfect though then we aren't us. Take away all my imperfections and you ain't got much left.So while there is death, there is hope of Resurrection in a perfected world according to God's plan. Not Resurrection in a still crappy world ruled literally by imperfect people as we will be perfected in mind and body.
Anyway, that's what I believe.
If we are reincarnated perfect though then we aren't us. Take away all my imperfections and you ain't got much left.
The stuff that leads to sin I guess, anger, jealousy, fear, sloth etc etc.Never said we're reincarnated... Resurrected... We become perfected, not resurrected that way. And why would you want imperfections? Being a geek isn't an imperfection. Having your own thoughts isn't an imperfection.
What are imperfections, apart from disease and Illness, in your opinion?
Because i exist now. Its logically to assume that i will exist again.
The stuff that leads to sin I guess, anger, jealousy, fear, sloth etc etc.
When you reproduce YOU don’t pass on, the offspring just inherits some of your genetic code. YOU still die when your brain completely stops functioning.
And, again, your piece of genetic code will dilute with each generation to the point where eventually it’ll be completely replaced. Even genetically you do not have permanence.
Once we die, there is no afterlife because our physical bodies are the literal "soul"... Really... Look up the original meaning of that word.. it's why people say "you're a good soul"... It originally meant "person" ... Meaning YOU are a good person. So the soul isn't separate from your physical body. You don't go to heaven and you don't become a ghost. Even Jesus said "the dead know nothing" ... It's like being in a dreamless sleep... You just cease to exist.
But there is hope in the Resurrection... When Jesus said "I am hope and the life... Those who believe in me, though they have died, will live again"... He was being literal. The book of Revelation says there will be Resurrection of those that have died ... Both the righteous (believers) and the unrighteous (those who didn't know about Jehovah/Yahweh). This includes those in the distant past as well...
So while there is death, there is hope of Resurrection in a perfected world according to God's plan. Not Resurrection in a still crappy world ruled literally by imperfect people as we will be perfected in mind and body.
Anyway, that's what I believe.
Damn, the audacity to call it illusion while describing reward driven, selfish kindness as the real reason to be kind. The irony is real.
For some reason I don't need your god/paradise to feel like my actions matter. Me being kind matters to others. Not bullying that one kid matters to him/her. Me being respectful towards my parents matters to them. But here you are telling that nothing matters in godless world. Maybe you should think less about some afterlife and think more about your current life and that your actions matter during this time span.
If we can definitively prove there is no life after death, then all religion goes out the window. With that we might be looking at a more anarchic society. It's one thing to be regulated by society's laws, but what if people didn't care beyond that because you live your life and their is no accountability. Just do what you want because life has no meaning beyond death. Your here because your parents had sex and that's all there is to it folks., Your life is going to end and that's it, there is no grand plan in place. Wrong or right becomes less of an issue. The world will be a much different place once no after life is proven. Perhaps more violent and less moral. I think the fact that we don't know keeps most people in check.
All that is comes from what was. The Legos might disassemble, but they don't cease to exist. The pieces move and change, but still remain, becoming something new, again part of something greater.Since I'm currently in the process of writing a book relating to that question, I was curious how the current NeoGAF community feels about this. We've had political leanings polls, but afaik not that question.
So let me ask, and don't be afraid to answer truthfully, no ridiculing each others believes! Respectful debate is ok, ofc: Do you think death is the end to your existence or is there something thereafter?
It'd be great if you could elaborate *why* you think a certain way and *what* exactly your stance entails.
I am here now. This means i will exist again or else i would have never existed in the first place.
This is proof enough to assume that life continues after death in a new body, if that body is human or not i wouldn't know. It's logical to assume that with species dying out and other species growing in population that u are not locked into just being a human.
Because i exist now. Its logically to assume that i will exist again. If tommorow the entire earth gets nuked and humans are destroyed. Why would i never exist again because i exist now? As population increase and decreases its the only logical explanation that if you will always start to exist again u will not be locked into human species only.
Logical but its something up to debate tho.
I've had toooo many Deja Vus and my mind is already set that time resets after death in thus, having the same experience over and over and over.....
I'm only theorizing of course. You certainly are giving people the benefit of the doubt here. You are saying that society as a whole would suddenly become a sort of utopia where people would police themselves and take it upon themselves to make a better world if the after life was proven false and in lieu of a savior? That is intriguing!!!. Thank you for your response...Certainly something for me to contemplate!!!The idea that society would crumble and fall into anarchy if no afterlife were proven is nonsense. The fact that there'd be no grand plan would necessitate that morality become far more a paramount concern for our well being and survival.
IMO, that people believe there's a "savior" who died for their sins and will act as a scapegoat for all their wrongdoings, no matter how horrific or grand in scale, as long as the precondition of belief is met, is what enables horrible acts; the absolvence of personal responsibility licensed by lamb's blood. What have I to lose? I can act as I wish and then have a deathbed conversion to Christ. This is the truly disgusting doctrine; a death cult that marginalizes the value of life, lives it dictated by the expectancy of death, and as such instills in people only a selfish desire to act good so that they can be rewarded on the back end. It's insane, and incredibly depressing.
I've come to terms with it nearing 30 years old, sometimes still wake up from my sleep in fear of it hitting me one day I'm not gonna exist anymore but we're all on the same level. Just gotta tell yourself it be like that sometimes.
Literally nothing you can do about it only thing that's a certain thing to happen just try make mose of what you can..... N I'm 40 in April so could be worse lolHow close to 30 are you and how are you dealing with it? Because I turn 30 about 2 weeks from now and I'm NOT dealing well with it lol.
How does that contradict the point of the post?
You took drugs, saw/felt some shit, and now you’re out here thinking you’ve got the answers to life’s great mysteries.
Literally nothing you can do about it only thing that's a certain thing to happen just try make mose of what you can..... N I'm 40 in April so could be worse lol
This is a very reductive and naive form of thinking. Arguably, the only difference between your state of consciousness when off drugs and on drugs is that the later has been stabilized by adaptation, but it is no truer than the former. It follows that taking psychedelics will open your mind to more aspects of the whole of whatever reality is. This has been known for a long time.
Does your playstation continue to play the game when you turn it off? What makes you so different? Cause you're made of meat?
Death is the end. Your consciousness is generated by your brain. No brain, no consciousness . We are not divine. We don't have a soul. We're no different from other animals.
No, i can't prove it. But based on what i know that's what i believe.
Each to their own I think do you have hands on proof that it's the way you think.... No you can't have so it's an impossible question to answerIt can make you think differently, sure.
But any supposed new insight about reality and humanity are merely delusions. If it were truly a matter of “opening the mind” and drug-induced delusions are as valid as reality, then surely the new worldview should be able to be put into words in such a way that others can understand, yes?
Certainly a better explanation can be given than “I did drugs once and saw god”, right?
It can make you think differently, sure.
But any supposed new insight about reality and humanity are merely delusions. If it were truly a matter of “opening the mind” and drug-induced delusions are as valid as reality, then surely the new worldview should be able to be put into words in such a way that others can understand, yes?
Certainly a better explanation can be given than “I did drugs once and saw god”, right?
The idea that society would crumble and fall into anarchy if no afterlife were proven is nonsense. The fact that there'd be no grand plan would necessitate that morality become far more a paramount concern for our well being and survival.
IMO, that people believe there's a "savior" who died for their sins and will act as a scapegoat for all their wrongdoings, no matter how horrific or grand in scale, as long as the precondition of belief is met, is what enables horrible acts; the absolvence of personal responsibility licensed by lamb's blood. What have I to lose? I can act as I wish and then have a deathbed conversion to Christ. This is the truly disgusting doctrine; a death cult that marginalizes the value of life, lives it dictated by the expectancy of death, and as such instills in people only a selfish desire to act good so that they can be rewarded on the back end. It's insane, and incredibly depressing.
This is the whole point of eastern philosophical currents such as Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, etc. Their teachings are based on deep meditation, which induces a state of consciousness which can be accessed more quickly and easily using psychedelics. Because of this ease it is to be expected that the majority of people who take this substances don't have the experience to understand or communicate what they just saw and felt, but the experience is just as real. Obviously I'm not taking into account sensory hallucinations.
One truth which becomes apparent when you take psychedelics is that all that you see is an illusion constructed by your brain. Another such truth is that the separation between "entities" is also an illusion.
These truths lie deep within us and express themselves recurrently in history. The first one can be seen in the myth of the cave (Plato).
Psychedelics when used responsibly break down all sorts of filters and fillers and make us pay attention to that which was always there.
I could keep going but you get the idea.
You are just an arrangement of atoms... you are not a magic meat monkey. Comparing us to a computer system is perfectly valid. What you call "you" is the game running on your brain. When you die the game stops.A PlayStation's materials aren't created. We're merely rearranging existing molecules... not creating them. Comparing a man-made electronic (and rudimentary) device to complex biology is wrong.
Answer this: if conservation of mass is a physical law, how did molecules in existence come to be?
Please don't project your ignorance on my words.That’s flowery nonsense.
The religions you mention have had no more progress in proving ideas of spirituality and the divine than anyone else has. If they are enlightened and can know the true meanings of all things, surely such great wisdom would be world-changing, yes?
This is a childish level of understanding of this subject. Buddhism in particular deals with freedom from suffering, not negativity, and prescribes doing away with desire to achieve that goal. Again, enlightened people don't desire, and in particular they don't desire to change the world.Because most teachings I’ve seen, at least from Buddhism in particular, are ideas and pieces of advice that have existed before buddhism and have been organically thought up after buddhism, it’s just that buddhism tries to tell people that they should do/think a laundry list of things in order to release themselves from negativity.
”All you see is an illusion constructed by your brain” yeah you don’t need some faux-spiritual drug to know that your ultimately interprets your senses and can be changed to sense things that your sensory organs don’t perceive. That’s what hallucinations are.
”Seperation between entities is also an illusion” doesn’t mean anything.
Like I said, psychedelics can give you a new perspective, but one that is not actually capable of offering any wisdom. No, those thoughts you had about reality while on a good trip aren’t actually as profound as you think they are.
August.How close to 30 are you and how are you dealing with it? Because I turn 30 about 2 weeks from now and I'm NOT dealing well with it lol.
So instead "because the majority of people says to be nice" you think "one person [that does not exist] says to be nice" is a better / stronger reason? Moreover, if you look at what Yahweh says in the bible you are supposed to do, it clearly is not what most people nowadays would call being nice. In fact, what people believe Yahweh wants of them still is largely the moral consensus of a bunch of church officials who spin a story around the wishes of Yahweh that has little to no basis in the bible. If the ultimate source of our morality was the bible and what is ascribed to Yahweh in there, we would be much closer to Iran than to how we are now.If Paradise exists, then God exists. And if being nice is a way to get in Paradise, then God thinks it's good to be nice and it's essential to be nice.
Being nice in a godless world would be only an illusion. There is no actual reason to be nice other than our mutual agreement so that maybe it will be nicer for you to exist if others are nice. But then again there are people who don't like to be nice to each other and who don't really care that much if others aren't nice either. So in any case there would always be people who will not be nice, and maybe some day those people get to decide the rules. Then any reason to be nice would be just an illusion. Not even a mutual agreement would make being nice any kind of a virtue. It would be wishful thinking for some and nonsense to others. But if a Paradise exists, then even if someone would be nice to just get into Paradise, there would still be this actual cosmic rule of niceness which wouldn't be an illusion at all.
How?
Take me through that logic step by step.