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Donald Trump is officially the only world leader that denies climate change science
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BronsonLee
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Russia
President Vladimir Putin
One of these problems is certainly that of limiting
organic emissions and keeping global warming within
an increase to two degrees Celsius. I think this is a
realistic plan and we are prepared to work on this
together with our partners.
Source: Official website of the President of Russia
http://en.special.kremlin.ru/events/president/
transcripts/50850
Putin's smart enough to go with the consensus publicly (especially since it lets him win point with the "fuck America" anti-imperialist crowd), but Putin-watchers i've known think that he sees climate change as a good thing since it will increase arable land and Russia will get more warm water ports without having to fire a shot.
entremet
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Trump is an embarrassment, but I think Congress and the Republican Party is are more of an embarrassment here.
Why?
They actually pass the laws to make meaningful change.
But yes, Trump is an embarrassment.
Why?
They actually pass the laws to make meaningful change.
But yes, Trump is an embarrassment.
Isn't it?
Mr Waluigi
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Didn't Trump backtrack on that? At least that's what it looked like during the presidental debates.
From what I understand, Putin is worried about global warming.
How in the world does Trump even think it's a conspiracy when every single world leader is saying it's real. That takes some real paranoia to think that all the world leaders (who don't all like each other or agree) all got together to make up that one theory just to hurt the US (and also think that some how if it was a lie it would only hurt the US).
(Personally I think Trump doesn't disbelieve it but is just catering to the crowd that looks up to him.. anything for ego).
I think I saw "Schrödinger's Asshole" on FARK, it's certainly apt.
DiipuSurotu
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It's also one of the countries where climate change denial is the most prevalent:
These people are fucking delusional and cannot be reasoned with. Unbelievable.
Witty.
Astaleview
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It's also one of the countries where climate change denial is the most prevalent:
China showing the power of that state-controlled press.
China stay winning.
He's never talked to or learned anything about these people until 5-6 days ago. The only thing he knows about any world leader is that Putin likes him.
perfectchaos007
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It's also one of the countries where climate change denial is the most prevalent:
In the US, political views supersede education. So republicans are brought up to believe global warming is a hoax because the coal industry could be hurt if they were forced under strict regulation which could cause people to lose their jobs
the-pi-guy
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I'm so glad our next president accepts 2000+ year knowledge as truth.
Haunted
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Dumb people have a tendency to double down on their ignorance if they're caught out being stupid.
Let's hope cooler heads and advisers prevail and that they can get through his thick head that he is embarrassing himself and he is forced to flip-flop again soon. Having one of the key players to combat the issue going forward denying the reality of it while the rest of the world looks on in horror and fremdscham is a problem.
Let's hope cooler heads and advisers prevail and that they can get through his thick head that he is embarrassing himself and he is forced to flip-flop again soon. Having one of the key players to combat the issue going forward denying the reality of it while the rest of the world looks on in horror and fremdscham is a problem.
It's also one of the countries where climate change denial is the most prevalent:
Why is Sweden on that list.
I mean, we Finns are pretty good about environmental stuff but our neighbors aren't?
Aeriscloud
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What a stupid country we have created.
I would rather Trump think the Earth is flat than deny climate change.
He's just surrounding himself with people who also deny it.
It's also one of the countries where climate change denial is the most prevalent:
excuse me but what the fuck is this graph
There are no numbers, the bars aren't even the same total width
What jabroni made this shit?
Bam Chowder
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Goes without saying, but please everyone contact your state representatives and pressure them on climate change. I don't at all trust that Trump will do anything but damage (i.e. pulling out of the Paris agreement, etc.) and the planet is literally hanging in the balance.
RPGCrazied
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In the end, America is a laughing stock. I mean, aren't we? We just elected a TV show host for President.
Astaleview
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I think he will change his view on this very soon or run risk looking REALLY dumb on the world stage. I mean... he can't even read well.
hydragonwarrior
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Blame Republican media and the fact there's been no action to squelch that monster of scientific inaccuracies..
Been that way for a while I think, if we're looking globally.
You bring a lot of good stuff to the world as well.
NHarmonic.
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Are there renowned democrat politicians that are climate-skeptics? Because it's kind of really, really hard not to see them as the "good guys" when republicans believe in this shit and support the other atrocities too.
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America how did you manage to fuck up this badly 
Serious question, not meant to ridicule anyone: but does all of this come from a lack of proper education in the US?
I'm from the Netherlands, I went to a high school that was officially catholic (a holdover from when the school was founded in the 50s). But even though our school was catholic, religion was never thought in that way in our school. No morning prayers or anything like that (I think the vast majority of students weren't religious, like most of the country actually). What we learned about religion was only limited to a specific class, and that handled all big world religions, their history, their teachings (none of it was treated as truth, nor specifically as false either - just presenting what people of various religions believed with a ton of humanistic philosophy thrown in).
Meanwhile the actual sciences just presented science as what it is - either facts or ruling theories. The idea that concepts like climate change or evolution could be in question were completely foreign to us.
As a result I think, I never really heard anyone - either a political group or a protest group or what have you - deny climate change here, or other weird things like that. It's just not something you do.
(also, things like forbidding gay marriage aren't even a question for even the most far-right political groups as far as I know. It's just not something anyone is seemingly interested in - which in part has to do with the fact that the majority of our population isn't religious so that doesn't factor into it, and that it has been legal since 2001 (I think we were the first?), so everyone is pretty used to it by now - I was hoping that is what would happen in the US as well, but who knows at this point). Same goes for abortion etc.
The other major factor is the mix of religion and state. That's just not done here (something similar to the president saying 'God Bless America', or getting the option to swear on the bible in court would be incredibly ridiculed here). We have religious political parties (particularly a christian one), although the influence of religion there is more guided by their faith - religion isn't really a factor in choosing to vote or not vote for them.
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What I'm trying to ask: is the level of influence of religion in education and the state too big in the US (and is that the fault of these viewpoints staying so strong in the face of actual research), and is that likely to change at all?
Edit: rereading my post I realize it may come across as me bragging about my country and making fun of Americans. Really not my intention. To make it up to you some miserable facts about my people: we have a horribly outdated and incredibly racist tradition called Zwarte Piet with too little people being able to admit that it's disgustingly racist, and we have our own Trump like 80s movie villain politician who wants to ban all muslims and who has actually said he wants to burn every copy of the Koran in the country - and he has an actual reasonably sized following - I'm so scared about the upcoming elections .
I hope that evens it out a bit.
I'm from the Netherlands, I went to a high school that was officially catholic (a holdover from when the school was founded in the 50s). But even though our school was catholic, religion was never thought in that way in our school. No morning prayers or anything like that (I think the vast majority of students weren't religious, like most of the country actually). What we learned about religion was only limited to a specific class, and that handled all big world religions, their history, their teachings (none of it was treated as truth, nor specifically as false either - just presenting what people of various religions believed with a ton of humanistic philosophy thrown in).
Meanwhile the actual sciences just presented science as what it is - either facts or ruling theories. The idea that concepts like climate change or evolution could be in question were completely foreign to us.
As a result I think, I never really heard anyone - either a political group or a protest group or what have you - deny climate change here, or other weird things like that. It's just not something you do.
(also, things like forbidding gay marriage aren't even a question for even the most far-right political groups as far as I know. It's just not something anyone is seemingly interested in - which in part has to do with the fact that the majority of our population isn't religious so that doesn't factor into it, and that it has been legal since 2001 (I think we were the first?), so everyone is pretty used to it by now - I was hoping that is what would happen in the US as well, but who knows at this point). Same goes for abortion etc.
The other major factor is the mix of religion and state. That's just not done here (something similar to the president saying 'God Bless America', or getting the option to swear on the bible in court would be incredibly ridiculed here). We have religious political parties (particularly a christian one), although the influence of religion there is more guided by their faith - religion isn't really a factor in choosing to vote or not vote for them.
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What I'm trying to ask: is the level of influence of religion in education and the state too big in the US (and is that the fault of these viewpoints staying so strong in the face of actual research), and is that likely to change at all?
Edit: rereading my post I realize it may come across as me bragging about my country and making fun of Americans. Really not my intention. To make it up to you some miserable facts about my people: we have a horribly outdated and incredibly racist tradition called Zwarte Piet with too little people being able to admit that it's disgustingly racist, and we have our own Trump like 80s movie villain politician who wants to ban all muslims and who has actually said he wants to burn every copy of the Koran in the country - and he has an actual reasonably sized following - I'm so scared about the upcoming elections
.I hope that evens it out a bit.
You really had a great thing going with Obama at the helm. I don't know anyone over here that doesn't like Obama. Shame it's coming crashing down now.
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