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DQ's Hori, "once the smartphone boom settles, home consoles will be the focus again"

Paracelsus

Paracelsus

Member
It's not just about smartphones, the reason PS4 doesn't sell over there (and Wii U does just a little bit better) is because there's no mid/low-range releases exclusive games to the current gen any longer. It's hard to build a fresh new userbase when everything is on PS3, 360, PC and/or Wii U, XBOX1 and PS4, in a country where graphics are anything but cutting edge.
 
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Lowenbrau

Neo Member
I once read that DQ games were always developed for the most popular consoles at the time of development.

The hype of PS4, combined with many rpgs, PE5, Bloodborne, FF15 and KH and its great sales could influence SE to put it on PS4. But it may also be on PS3.

Exclusive to ps4 and maximizing its potential would be awesome in my eyes though. *fingers crossed*
 
QuantumZebra

QuantumZebra

Member
Sophia said:
It's a bit disingenuous to say stuff like that. Lifestyles change, and you can only assert the state of the future so much.

From the way Horii put it, it seems as if he believes the smartphone market will eventually settle down and there will be room for both big consoles and portable devices such as handhelds/smartphones. Note that he does not call it a bubble, but rather a "boom", as well as asserts the advantages of the devices instead of merely dismissing them.
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Yep its quite foreseeable that there will be a more 50/50 share of console/mobile experiences.

For instance, I have a PS4/Vita and a Wii U/3DS, and enjoy the duality of having portable Sony and Nintendo products as well as home consoles.
 
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Mass_Pincup

Banned
Magicpaint said:
For niche titles install base isn't paramount, but for a major franchise like Dragon Quest, it is. This is why SE is starting with something like DQH, to develop a userbase.
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clay_ghost said:
The games you mentioned does not sell in the amount Dragon Quest games usually sells for (not counting X) . They also shows that Japan do favors portable gaming more.



Without the install base of PS3 i doubt they can be near the LTD of DQ9 sales.
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Yes I know that , my point was that by the time DQ XI release the PS3 and the 3DS won't have a lot of active users. Having a huge install base is pointless if people don't buy games on it anymore.
 
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zeromcd73

Member
Paracelsus said:
It's not just about smartphones, the reason PS4 doesn't sell over there (and Wii U does just a little bit better) is because there's no mid/low-range releases exclusive games to the current gen any longer. It's hard to build a fresh new userbase when everything is on PS3, 360, PC and/or Wii U, XBOX1 and PS4, in a country where graphics are anything but cutting edge.
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The problem this year wasn't multiplats not being exclusive that hurt PS4, it was most games not even releasing on PS4 in the first place.

Dark Souls 2, Gundam Full Burst, Sengoku Basara 4, Super Robot Wars, J Stars Victory VS, Kingdom Hearts 2.5HD, Persona 4 Ultimax, IdolMaster, Pro Baseball Spirits, Hatsune Miku, Gundam Side Story, Sen no Kiseki 2, Naruto and many more released on PS3 and not PS4. 34 Japanese developed games sold 10k or more on PS3 this year, and only 3 of those games were released on PS4 with another 1 or 2 releasing several months later than the PS3 version..
 
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Foffy

Banned
What's Dragon Quest? Some Japan-only franchise?

I'd be hype if we'd even get an assurance that any effort they're considering will also be considered internationally, and for a series such as this, that type of inquiry has been dead for a number of years save for ports on phones. ):
 
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Cow Goes Moo

Member
it's kind of weird saying this after/before/during(?) square enix said they'd "double down" on smartphones

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clay_ghost

Member
Mass_Pincup said:
Yes I know that , my point was that by the time DQ XI release the PS3 and the 3DS won't have a lot of active users. Having a huge install base is pointless if people don't buy games on it anymore.
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best selling game in japan 2012 is a DS game. 3DS may not have a as big userbase as DS but i really think the reminding users will still be active
Famitsu Japan 2012 Top 25 Games
1 NDS Pokémon Black 2 / White 2 2,879,027 2,879,027 Pokemon Co. 2012-06-23
2 3DS Animal Crossing: New Leaf 2,286,977 2,286,977 Nintendo 2012-11-08
3 3DS New Super Mario Bros. 2 1,780,493 1,780,493 Nintendo 2012-07-28
4 3DS Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D 899,410 899,410 Square Enix 2012-05-31
5 PS3 One Piece: Pirate Warriors 825,860 825,860 Bandai Namco 2012-03-01
6 3DS Mario Kart 7 822,542 1,904,933 Nintendo 2011-12-01
7 PS3 Resident Evil 6 821,053 821,053 Capcom 2012-10-04
8 3DS Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate 776,171 1,585,493 Capcom 2011-12-10
9 3DS Super Mario 3D Land 738,109 1,780,620 Nintendo 2011-11-03
10 WII Dragon Quest X: Mezameshi Itsusu no Shuzoku Online 633,827 633,827 Square Enix 2012-08-02
11 WII Mario Party 9 622,266 622,266 Nintendo 2012-04-26
12 PS3 Yakuza 5: Yume, Kanaeshi Mono 521,856 521,856 SEGA 2012-12-06
13 PS3 Dragon's Dogma 468,108 468,108 Capcom 2012-05-24
14 3DS Fire Emblem: Awakening 453,672 453,672 Nintendo 2012-04-19
15 PS3 Tales of Xillia 2 409,664 409,664 Bandai Namco 2012-11-01
16 3DS Paper Mario: Sticker Star 391,078 391,078 Nintendo 2012-12-06
17 PS3 Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 388,627 388,627 Konami 2012-10-04
18 WIU New Super Mario Bros. U 381,315 381,315 Nintendo 2012-12-08
19 3DS Taiko Drum Master: Chibi Dragon to Fushigina Orb 352,023 352,023 Bandai Namco 2012-07-12
20 WII Wii Sports Resort 351,688 3,084,343 Nintendo 2009-06-25
21 3DS Run For Money Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-tachi kara Nigek 351,523 351,523 Bandai Namco 2012-07-05
22 NDS Pokémon Conquest 344,127 344,127 Pokemon Co. 2012-03-17
23 3DS Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance 341,958 341,958 Square Enix 2012-03-29
24 3DS Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity 337,999 337,999 Pokemon Co. 2012-11-23
1 NDS Pokémon Black 2 / White 2 2,879,027 2,879,027 Pokemon Co. 2012-06-23
2 3DS Animal Crossing: New Leaf 2,286,977 2,286,977 Nintendo 2012-11-08
3 3DS New Super Mario Bros. 2 1,780,493 1,780,493 Nintendo 2012-07-28
4 3DS Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D 899,410 899,410 Square Enix 2012-05-31
5 PS3 One Piece: Pirate Warriors 825,860 825,860 Bandai Namco 2012-03-01
6 3DS Mario Kart 7 822,542 1,904,933 Nintendo 2011-12-01
7 PS3 Resident Evil 6 821,053 821,053 Capcom 2012-10-04
8 3DS Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate 776,171 1,585,493 Capcom 2011-12-10
9 3DS Super Mario 3D Land 738,109 1,780,620 Nintendo 2011-11-03
10 WII Dragon Quest X: Mezameshi Itsusu no Shuzoku Online 633,827 633,827 Square Enix 2012-08-02
11 WII Mario Party 9 622,266 622,266 Nintendo 2012-04-26
12 PS3 Yakuza 5: Yume, Kanaeshi Mono 521,856 521,856 SEGA 2012-12-06
13 PS3 Dragon's Dogma 468,108 468,108 Capcom 2012-05-24
14 3DS Fire Emblem: Awakening 453,672 453,672 Nintendo 2012-04-19
15 PS3 Tales of Xillia 2 409,664 409,664 Bandai Namco 2012-11-01
16 3DS Paper Mario: Sticker Star 391,078 391,078 Nintendo 2012-12-06
17 PS3 Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 388,627 388,627 Konami 2012-10-04
18 WIU New Super Mario Bros. U 381,315 381,315 Nintendo 2012-12-08
19 3DS Taiko Drum Master: Chibi Dragon to Fushigina Orb 352,023 352,023 Bandai Namco 2012-07-12
20 WII Wii Sports Resort 351,688 3,084,343 Nintendo 2009-06-25
21 3DS Run For Money Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-tachi kara Nigek 351,523 351,523 Bandai Namco 2012-07-05
22 NDS Pokémon Conquest 344,127 344,127 Pokemon Co. 2012-03-17
23 3DS Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance 341,958 341,958 Square Enix 2012-03-29
24 3DS Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity 337,999 337,999 Pokemon Co. 2012-11-23
25 PS3 Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City 335,323 335,323 Capcom 2012-04-26
 
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Deleted member 20920

Unconfirmed Member
Foffy said:
What's Dragon Quest? Some Japan-only franchise?

I'd be hype if we'd even get an assurance that any effort they're considering will also be considered internationally, and for a series such as this, that type of inquiry has been dead for a number of years save for ports on phones. ):
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Didn't Horii post a video addressing overseas fan recently? I think that's a good start.
 
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RPGamer92

Banned
I don't get why people think DQXI won't sell well if it's on PS4. DQ would sell well no matter what system it's on (except maybe Xbox) and if people were to see DQXI along with FFXV and other games like Bloodborne and Persona, it'd be very hard to say no even if PS4 isn't selling well now.
 
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Father_Brain

Banned
DQXI will do fine on whatever platform(s) it's released on... but if Horii actually believes this, he's lost the plot. Wishing doesn't make it so.
 
eXistor

eXistor

Member
I think it's gonna happen as well. You can use your phone for youtube clips, but not watch full movies (or rather, you shouldn't), you wanna sit down for that shit and pay attention. Same with games.
 
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Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
I don't want to say he is wrong, but right now he's not looking right. This guy put DQX on the Wii of all things. His judgment is...shaky in my mind right now.
 
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clay_ghost

Member
Kintaro said:
I don't want to say he is wrong, but right now he's not looking right. This guy put DQX on the Wii of all things. His judgment is...shaky in my mind right now.
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DQX on the Wii is not a mistake. An MMO on the Wii at the end of its life cycle is the mistake.
 
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Brutalitops

Banned
I don't think so. It's clear by now the mobile boom isn't just a phase.

That's not to say consoles will die. I think they are beyond redeeming in Japan however.
 
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gundamkyoukai

Member
Nirolak said:
Yeah, to me his business sense is um... questionable, but the interesting part is the potential implications for Dragon Quest.
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I wonder if he or SE wants to try and push it in the west again .
Consoles and PC is the only way to do that .
Either way it going to sell huge amounts, the question is how much.
 
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Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
clay_ghost said:
DQX on the Wii is not a mistake. An MMO on the Wii at the end of its life cycle is the mistake.
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I believe this makes him look even worse than what I said. So, either way. Whatever.

A MMO on a system late in its life cycle that was ill equipped to support a modern MMO that you don't even launch worldwide.

It's like a parade of dumb decisions.
 
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FourMyle

Member
zeromcd73 said:
Why Dragon Quest XI will be on PS4:


  • Horii states on a radio show that DQ11 in development and he wants to play on the big screen.
  • SCEJA President's first words to Horii at the pre TGS event are "Welcome back home" after DQH is shown
  • Famitsu Interview with Horii; He wants fans to first play DQHeroes and then get excited for the next numbered title
  • Horii confirms on more than one occasion that it will not be for smartphones
  • Horii states in this interview that playing for long periods of time on home consoles is more confortable than smartphones/handhelds
  • Horii states in the same interview he wants to increase the amount of core gamers in Japan
  • Horii says in the same interview that game fans still want to play on the big screen

Why Dragon Quest XI will be on PS4 not a tin foil hat theory edition:


  • First day TGS gameplay of DQHeroes has the characters at level 8 versing small creatures, the next day they are level 11 fighting a big boss
  • DQHeroes live broadcast had two separate demos; Both had the characters start out with 811 coins
  • In the first DQHeroes live broadcast demo both Mea and Kiryl are level 17, in the second demo Mea levels up by 6 and Kiryl by 5. 6+5 = 11
  • In the second DQHeroes live broadcast demo, the characters are level 22, 22, 23, and 24. If you add the left column and the right column together separately you get 8 and 11.
  • At TGS a SE employee tweeted that he ironprinted Slimes to T-shirts for promoting DQH, and and it just so happened he printed 11 of them
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I hope you're right.
 
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Dark_castle

Junior Member
zeromcd73 said:
Why Dragon Quest XI will be on PS4:


  • Horii states on a radio show that DQ11 in development and he wants to play on the big screen.
  • SCEJA President's first words to Horii at the pre TGS event are "Welcome back home" after DQH is shown
  • Famitsu Interview with Horii; He wants fans to first play DQHeroes and then get excited for the next numbered title
  • Horii confirms on more than one occasion that it will not be for smartphones
  • Horii states in this interview that playing for long periods of time on home consoles is more confortable than smartphones/handhelds
  • Horii states in the same interview he wants to increase the amount of core gamers in Japan
  • Horii says in the same interview that game fans still want to play on the big screen

Why Dragon Quest XI will be on PS4 not a tin foil hat theory edition:


  • First day TGS gameplay of DQHeroes has the characters at level 8 versing small creatures, the next day they are level 11 fighting a big boss
  • DQHeroes live broadcast had two separate demos; Both had the characters start out with 811 coins
  • In the first DQHeroes live broadcast demo both Mea and Kiryl are level 17, in the second demo Mea levels up by 6 and Kiryl by 5. 6+5 = 11
  • In the second DQHeroes live broadcast demo, the characters are level 22, 22, 23, and 24. If you add the left column and the right column together separately you get 8 and 11.
  • At TGS a SE employee tweeted that he ironprinted Slimes to T-shirts for promoting DQH, and and it just so happened he printed 11 of them
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I think Sony is going all out by paying Horii shit load for exclusivity of DQH and DQXI, because they knew this would be the best spark for their home console in Japan. Otherwise, it really makes no sense for Horii not putting DQXI in 3DS.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
gundamkyoukai said:
I wonder if he or SE wants to try and push it in the west again .
Consoles and PC is the only way to do that .
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Well, Horii isn't exactly super young anymore, so I think he might just want to make some very shiny Dragon Quest games exactly the way he wants to before he retires.

He already made the best selling one with DQ9 on DS and then a successful sustaining MMO with DQ10, so even if he's not maximizing profit potential at this point, he did help Square's balance book to the point where he probably has a lot of leeway on the next one. They even have a majorly successful smartphone game.

They're putting their other Japanese flagship games there anyway to boot so saying "haha that's a dumb idea" is harder in that situation too.

There's nothing stopping them from going back to handhelds or smartphones if this tanks. By then they might even be able to downport the thing.
 
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zeromcd73

Member
gundamkyoukai said:
I wonder if he or SE wants to try and push it in the west again .
Consoles and PC is the only way to do that .
Either way it going to sell huge amounts, the question is how much.
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The picture in the OP just cuts off the part where they began talking about the west. Judging by it's lead in though, it does sound like it wants it to do well in the west.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
zeromcd73 said:
The picture in the OP just cuts off the part where they began talking about the west. Judging by it's lead in though, it does sound like it wants it to do well in the west.
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I think on a basic level people would always love their software to do well everywhere.

The question is how much effort goes into achieving that.
 
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zeromcd73

Member
Nirolak said:
I think on a basic level people would always love their software to do well everywhere.

The question is how much effort goes into achieving that.
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That's very true.

In regards to you're last comment about Horii getting older it would be nice to have a final big send off. From Horii's comments he clearly wants to do something big on consoles, but I guess that depends on how SE management feel.

It would be interesting to see what happens to DQ after Horii retires.
 
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Jamix012

Member
I was kind of baffled at this when I read it in the media create thread and still am. I'm willing to bet he's wrong: consoles won't make any significant turn around in Japan.

If I were to guess what happened, Square wanted DQ11 on the 3DS. They released a lot of DQ spinoffs in anticipation of this. Hori I guess was having none of that and now it's likely going to be PS3/PS4 crossgen. Maybe 3DS with a late PS4 up-port.
 
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crinale

Member
Well PS4 doing, eh, not so impressively in Japan so if it has tanked at West too there's absolutely no way Sony could have convinced SE to release DQH to PS4, no matter how much realistic offer Sony gives. From this I'm wishing console DQs get localized, if such thing really exist (at least we know DQH does exist so let's hope for that at first).
 
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Gsnap

Member
I wouldn't be surprised if things sort of even out in the future. Sure people like their little time wasters, but people also like going to movie theaters and other bigger, more elaborate things like that.

Richer, big screen experiences are going to become more important in the future as people being to realize that something is missing from their candy crush life style. Smart phone gaming won't die, but it's not the apocalypse either.

Now, in Japan? I have no idea.
 
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Oregano

Member
Psycho_Mantis said:
It would make no sense to have a big budget PS4 DQ.
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FTFY. Western sales would not make up for the sales lost in Japan. Even sales of three million would be a big drop from DQIX.

I'm not saying it's not going to happen(looks like it is), I just can't see it being as big as Horii hopes.
 
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Philippo

Member
While it's true PS4 doesn't have a huge install base in Japan, wouldn't a DQXI announcement (together with already existing and coming games) to alone push a lot of people to buy one? Isn't the series on MH and Pkmn level?
 
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Stone Ocean

Member
Philippo said:
While it's true PS4 doesn't have a huge install base in Japan, wouldn't a DQXI announcement (together with already existing and coming games) to alone push a lot of people to buy one? Isn't the series on MH and Pkmn level?
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Well usually DQ games are big system sellers in Japan, but it has been a while since a big, offline console DQ so I dunno if it still works the same.
 
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Oregano

Member
Philippo said:
While it's true PS4 doesn't have a huge install base in Japan, wouldn't a DQXI announcement (together with already existing and coming games) to alone push a lot of people to buy one? Isn't the series on MH and Pkmn level?
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Only DQIX was and there is no guarantee it would be that big on PS4. Exhibit A: Wii U post-Mario Kart.

EDIT: VII might have hit four mil as well but the rest were quite a bit lower.
 
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jimi_dini

Member
Horii: People say that home consoles don't sell anymore in Japan, but once the smartphone boom settles I think home consoles will be the focus of attention again.
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Said it, laughed and ran away.

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RM8

Member
Uh, nope, Japan has always been really into handhelds. It's not a fad unless it's an incredibly long one that started with the Game Boy.
 
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