James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Yeah I dunno why we're using him as a source. Proven fake multiple times and worst of all he was a heavy REEEE poster.
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Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Has Sold Around 2 Million Copies, PS5 Player Data Suggests
Yeah I dunno why we're using him as a source. Proven fake multiple times and worst of all he was a heavy REEEE poster.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
It has like the highest metacritic game out there this year. You didn't like it. Most did. You can easily skip most of the mini games.
Game is an epic adventure and I wouldn't have it any other way.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
The 2 Million number is BS, plain and simple.
It may be underwhelming to Square, we don't know, but that's besides the point. It's easily sold over 3M units right now.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Traditional PS1 era FF games didn’t have a formula they can adapt today. You reach a certain point in game world, it will trigger a cut scene and take you to next area. Such games SE still makes today in top dows 2D games like Bravely Default.
To make something equally compelling, they will have to innovate and come up with a new game design.
Personally I feel they should just take the easy way out and make their version of Witcher 3. People play these for music, graphics, story. Just focus on that. No need to build long dungeons, mini games etc.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Ok the 2.2 million is peak active users which means it's most likely sold much more as that would mean every person who bought it to date happened to be playing at the same time. What a ridiculous headline
I have the CE and haven't started it yet
I have the CE and haven't started it yet
hybrid_birth
Member
People saw a gameplay trailer and were like nope. They wanted a remake of the remake.
My guess is they are waiting until Playstation 7 to buy the remake of the remake.
My guess is they are waiting until Playstation 7 to buy the remake of the remake.
nosoynadie22
Gold Member
In my opinion, once you open your franchise to other platforms you can't go back, this should have come out on PC. Another problem is that by dividing FF7 into 3 parts, only those people who played and finished part 1 will be able to buy part 2
ProtoByte
Member
I wouldn't count on Ampere Analysis or daily active player count for a fucking SP game to estimate unit sales. That being said, it's clear this game is not doing amazingly.
As always with FF, people will use that information to confirm what they want to be the conclusion. Exclusivity bad this (not knowing what PC sales of the previous game were like and acting like well positioned exclusives don't often outperform multiplats), would've sold better turn based that (despite all available data signaling otherwise), bonus points for some anti-Nomura preaching, without really thinking or admitting the truth.
As always with FF, people will use that information to confirm what they want to be the conclusion. Exclusivity bad this (not knowing what PC sales of the previous game were like and acting like well positioned exclusives don't often outperform multiplats), would've sold better turn based that (despite all available data signaling otherwise), bonus points for some anti-Nomura preaching, without really thinking or admitting the truth.
leo-j
Member
I highly doubt the game would have sold millions on Xbox, they tried to test those waters with crisis core and FF XV already and other FF games that are on that platform….. same with switch, their biggest FF user base rn is on PS and it has been since the ps1 era, outside of XIV. Tbh tho games aren’t selling as well as last gen for sure, and the whole GAAS thing imo is having an affect . You didn’t have a honkai star rail, FF XIV, or other big MMOrpgs that are f2f or subs during the ps1 era of FF as well. Also FF was the top rpg franchise in the 90s, that’s no longer the case post FF XIII. Other big rpgs have come out and been higher sellers and of higher quality , square dug themselves with the XIII franchise and XV(originally a XIII spin off). FF VII remake was a return to quality gaming rpgs for them imo, which at times playing that game I wondered how they made a game that good considering their earlier outputs of FF XV and KH 3 being lack luster ps2/ps3 era like gameplay (these games were prob in development for a decade +), but even that has only sold 7 million ish due to FF losing steam hardcore with the rise of other IP.
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ChorizoPicozo
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They had a formula but couldn't make it work in the 3D era due to the lack of technology on their part
That's very reductionist because you could say the same thing about any game. There were many moments where storytelling was interwoven with gameplay, making them feel ambitious and like pushing the medium forward
I will phrase it as: They need to bring back the old design and innovete on top of it
that is an Issue.
When you compare the design sensibilities of the old FF games 7, 8, 9 with modern game design, especially after the boom of open worlds, and then contrast how their own entries (X through XVI) have been 'evolving,' you'll notice that the old games didn't incorporate:
- Checklists
- Waypoints
- Sidequests presented in the modern way
I will argue that these three points are among the worst design aspects of open worlds. now add the total failure of SE to deliver the true FF experience since X, and instead, we have been getting:
- Corridors
-mismatch art direction (NPC main characters)
- Weak character/stories
- Stagnation in gameplay
- Not a true FF open world (flying)
It feels like FF has not been able to reach the highs it once did and, most importantly, that they're lagging behind in a medium where they were once at the bleeding edge of technology and storytelling
FF doesn't need to follow the western open world desing. (Ubisoft, Rockstar, Guerrilla, CDPR)
They need to find a way to achieve what the old ones did but with innovations and advancements you would expect to see today.
The closest one to achieving this was FFXII. After that, every game felt like a step backwards.
and as many have said, nostalgia is doing the heavy lifting for FFVIIR
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Thank God Square isn’t owned by EA - they’d be closing them down now.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Thank god this wasn't one of Square's Western division, or they'd be selling them off to Embracer.
Imru’ al-Qays
Member
The first one was trash, not buying the second
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Draugoth
I believe the data which probably is a guess anyway is saying 2.2mil at launch, so day 1 sales if this was to be believed.
Dragons Dogma 2 sold 2.5mil after 10 days and we can see in Europe Rebirth is in line with DD2 sales, in Japan it's much ahead, so no way it's just at 2mil sales LTD as the thread title suggests.
I think somewhere in the region of 3-4mil right now.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Not this guy. I think FF16 is the worst mainline FF.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Will probably end up waiting for the PC version of Part 3 with at least a 50% sale on both. The story is convoluted for the sake of being convoluted and is mostly quest checklists in each zone and playing FF version of Mario Party.
It's curious to me that both Granblue Relink(love the combat!) and Dragon's Dogma 2 both had concrete sales announcements within 1 week and months later you still can't get a good answer on how much this game sold. On 1 platform.
My time spent with the PS5 version tells me the combat is marginally fun but I'd probably only play through the game once. And little things like character level, gear and materia not carrying over bothers me a great deal.
With other games that let me explore the entirety of the world map like Dogma, Witcher, Zelda I feel underwhelmed with the barriers that exist within Rebirth. Ironically I felt there was more freedom with OG FF7 then with this Episodic Trilogy.
Not much mystery and intrigue really left to explore in FF7 mythos IMO.
It's curious to me that both Granblue Relink(love the combat!) and Dragon's Dogma 2 both had concrete sales announcements within 1 week and months later you still can't get a good answer on how much this game sold. On 1 platform.
My time spent with the PS5 version tells me the combat is marginally fun but I'd probably only play through the game once. And little things like character level, gear and materia not carrying over bothers me a great deal.
With other games that let me explore the entirety of the world map like Dogma, Witcher, Zelda I feel underwhelmed with the barriers that exist within Rebirth. Ironically I felt there was more freedom with OG FF7 then with this Episodic Trilogy.
Not much mystery and intrigue really left to explore in FF7 mythos IMO.
Reallink
Member
Xbox by itself no, but PC and Xbox combined would likely do a minimum of 50% of Playstation's volume, and possibly as high as 75%. FF15 was a decade ago with a 1.5 year delay on PC, and Crisis Core was a PSP remaster that didn't sell well anywhere, so not exactly the most compelling arguments for exclusivity being fiscally responsible in 2024.
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Fabieter
Member
Do you have data from japanese games which suggest that playstation only makes like 1/4 of xbox+pc. Or is this typically copium.
1. Alot of classic ff had mini games
2. Fvii original wasn't more free it just wasn't.
Nostalgia und hate is a hell of a drug tho.
yazenov
Member
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth actually sold more than Dragon's Dogma 2 which is on multiple platforms in the first 2 weeks aka launch align in the European charts.
It was also close to its sales in the UK.
In Japan, FF7 Rebirth sales are higher than Dragons Dogma 2.
And we had a PR from Capcom stating that Dragons Dogma 2 sold 2.5 million copies in the just eleven days.
Given these facts, FF7 Rebirth must have sold above 3 million now if we are talking about 1 month sales.
SE also must have received a big pile of cash from Sony for its exclusively. So the game must have exceeded SE expectation on both fronts.
It was also close to its sales in the UK.
In Japan, FF7 Rebirth sales are higher than Dragons Dogma 2.
And we had a PR from Capcom stating that Dragons Dogma 2 sold 2.5 million copies in the just eleven days.
Given these facts, FF7 Rebirth must have sold above 3 million now if we are talking about 1 month sales.
SE also must have received a big pile of cash from Sony for its exclusively. So the game must have exceeded SE expectation on both fronts.
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Sure. But weren't necessarily required for game progression. Here it's baked into plot progression. I find the original more free as you had choice of exploring the World Map instead of being put on rails.
The shiny new thing and the honeymoon phase is hell of a drug tho
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
DD2 2.5 mil sales after 11 days
www.ign.com
Japan FF7 vs DD2 Physical sales (not including digital and PC)
Would guess Rebirth is over 400k with digital included and DD2 over 100k on PS5, but outsold DD2 by a decent margin here.
Europe March Data
US
No comparison yet, but can see Rebirth was the 2nd best selling game in Feb across all platforms with just a few days sales.
www.neogaf.com
The article says 2.21mil launch so if it was correct then we can probably assume higher than 2.5mil after 11 days and likely over 3mil now.
Dragon’s Dogma 2 Sales Hit 2.5 Million 11 Days After Launch - IGN
Dragon’s Dogma 2 is a big hit for Capcom, selling 2.5 million copies across PC via Steam, PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X and S just 11 days after launch.
Japan FF7 vs DD2 Physical sales (not including digital and PC)
Would guess Rebirth is over 400k with digital included and DD2 over 100k on PS5, but outsold DD2 by a decent margin here.
Europe March Data
US
No comparison yet, but can see Rebirth was the 2nd best selling game in Feb across all platforms with just a few days sales.
Sales-Age - Circana (NPD) February 2024: #1 Helldivers 2 #2 FF7 Rebirth #4 Skull and Bones #8 FF7 Twin Pack; PS5 #1 Units+Rev, Switch #2 Units Xbox #2 Rev
Courtesy of Welfare from Installbase forum! State of the market Projected U.S. total spending on video game hardware, content and accessories grew 2% in Feb vs YA, to $4.7B. 17% growth in Mobile content spending vs YA helped offset a 30% drop in hardware. (Mobile source: Sensor Tower)...
The article says 2.21mil launch so if it was correct then we can probably assume higher than 2.5mil after 11 days and likely over 3mil now.
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yazenov
Member
DD2 2.5 mil sales after 11 days
Dragon’s Dogma 2 Sales Hit 2.5 Million 11 Days After Launch - IGN
Dragon’s Dogma 2 is a big hit for Capcom, selling 2.5 million copies across PC via Steam, PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X and S just 11 days after launch.
Japan FF7 vs DD2 Physical sales (not including digital and PC)
Would guess Rebirth is over 400k with digital included and DD2 over 100k on PS5, but outsold DD2 by a decent margin here.
Europe March Data
US
No comparison yet, but can see Rebirth was the 2nd best selling game in Feb across all platforms with just a few days sales.Sales-Age - Circana (NPD) February 2024: #1 Helldivers 2 #2 FF7 Rebirth #4 Skull and Bones #8 FF7 Twin Pack; PS5 #1 Units+Rev, Switch #2 Units Xbox #2 Rev
Courtesy of Welfare from Installbase forum! State of the market Projected U.S. total spending on video game hardware, content and accessories grew 2% in Feb vs YA, to $4.7B. 17% growth in Mobile content spending vs YA helped offset a 30% drop in hardware. (Mobile source: Sensor Tower)...
The article says 2.21mil launch so if it was correct then we can probably assume higher than 2.5mil after 11 days and likely over 3mil now.
Yeah, no way it's less than 3 million after 1 month of sales given these facts.
Reallink
Member
Do huh now? 50% of Playstation's volume means if it sold 4 million on Playstation, it's likely to sell 2 million on Xbox + PC, and possibly as high as 3 million (75%). To your question on Japanese title's performance outside of Playstation, yes, Dragon's Dogma 2 and Elden Ring peaked at like 250k and 1 million concurrent players on Steam, and that was launch week concurrent users, meaning actual unit sales were much higher than that. Fun fact, they both had day 1 PC releases, not 1.5 year delays like Square-Retard does. Nobody buys these type of games 1-2 years later, especially at the $50 and $60 they try to charge.
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yazenov
Member
Have you seen the latest tomb Raider? Good ridense. SE was smart to let go of those trash.
But I see you're still bitter that you cant play FF Remake on your Xbox. Keep waiting.
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Fabieter
Member
Stuff like the bike chase in the original was basically a mini game too and the highly loved ffx had dozens of situations where you had to do mini games and people had no problem with it. Forced blitzball actually makes it the worst mainline final fantasy.
The classic final fantasy games were on rails too. I agree you had more to explore because if you fucked up and run a screen to far you were locked out of summons or super strong weapons.
Final fantasy can't catch a break if most of the fanbase is crying that they want their specific thing.
Fabieter
Member
Well dragons dogma 1 and dark souls sold millions on pc years after the console release so maybe the day and date argument is nothing but a shitty excuse for a shitty sales performance. I never hear that argument with late console ports tho so yea its redcioulous.
Fabieter
Member
Sales-Age - Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Has Sold Around 2 Million Copies, PS5 Player Data Suggests
Due to my backlog, I haven't even started the game. Unless SE gives a PR statement for sales, this is BS. Also, putting Daniel Ahmad as a Source is more BS, he's the guy that said in 2020 that SIE games don't make any profit at all. He's been wrong plenty of times. Yeah I dunno why we're...
It's highly likely that it's at least at 3m by now. But we can't know either way. But to think that 2m figure is the current state of the sales is definitely stupid.
thismeinteil
Member
Good. I guess SE should have given a remake that the majority of fans of the OG actually wanted. Same story, but improve the graphics, add good voice acting, and maybe some gameplay improvements. Instead, we get this fanfic crap where Sephiroth keeps inserting himself everywhere, killing any foreboding feeling you get knowing you will eventually have to encounter this unseen foe at some point in time. Worst of all, he knows all and is trying to change the story.
That's not a remake. That's more like a sequel that shamefully just replays the greatest hits from the previous game/movie, only worse. It's basically the Matrix Resurrections of gaming.
That's not a remake. That's more like a sequel that shamefully just replays the greatest hits from the previous game/movie, only worse. It's basically the Matrix Resurrections of gaming.
Fabieter
Member
Interesting, in my opinion 1:1 remakes can go to hell. No interest in playing any of those anymore. If i have a feeling that i was already here than its a bad remake. Resident Evil and Ff Viir is the gold standard as far as renakes go.
SidViscous
Member
A lot of love went into the game, would be tragic if they have to cut back on the third instalment. Just the cutscenes and music alone must have cost a fuckton to produce.
FalconPunch
Member
Where should they have put it on, xbox? Xbox players don't buy games. Sales data shows this.... Switch? It's already struggling to run on Sony consoles. Maybe they can release it as a launch game for switch 2.
dDoc
Member
That would put you in an insignificantly small minority I guess.
GHG
Member
Fabieter
Member
Do you have data of the final fantasy games underperforming? Not disclosing anything dont mean anything or else xbox would be dead by now.
Reallink
Member
Those were among the first wave of major JP games appearing on Steam, benefiting immensely from the novelty, much less competition on the platform (and gaming in general), and were perpetually $5 - $10 somewhere (which likely accounts for >90% of their volume). Sony's early round of PC ports also did gangbusters, but every subsequent release has done significantly worse--so much so I'm not even sure it's worth the resources to continue porting them. There simply aren't massive numbers of people who are interested in buying or rebuying 2 and 3 year old catalog title ports, there's too much competition for people's money and time these days. Long tails are exceptionally rare and among these years old ports, you will maybe see 1 title out of dozens that actually manages to move multiple millions of units. Once they're out of a similar honeymoon novelty period, years old Xbox games are also going to sell like shit on Playstation.
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Fabieter
Member
Every franchise is allowed to evolve why isn't ff allowed to do the same?
Look I also would prefer classic zelda over the mess it is now but people like it. It's just isn't for me anymore period.
Fabieter
Member
A late Bloodborne port would also sell easily 10m. A late game must be good and the must hit the market in the right time and the right way and it will sell. Late ports can sell on all platforms its a tool to port beg nothing else.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Even they did that people find way to complain, at this point no matter what SE does people never going to be happy.
For me FFVII Rebirth absolutely delivered, the game was sooo much fun.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
They need an ff7 level event with zoomers but these new players aren’t interested in games like ff so adapting the series to them is going to be an exercise in creativity and risk, both things SE is averse to.
yazenov
Member
No data, just wishful thinking.
They hope it underperforms so the next one won't skip their favorite console.
Shifty1897
Member
Except Insomniac got hacked and we saw that all their games didn't make much profit at all (or lost money, in the case of Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart).
As for me, my copy got bought last night by my wife for my birthday, but I probably won't start it until June or July when my backlog allows it.
Reallink
Member
So your position is that Final Fantasy ports don't sell because they're shitty and release at the wrong time? Seems we're in agreement on the second part, but if the games are shitty why are you here championing exclusivity for bad games?
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