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If a new thief is announced, what gameplay mechanics would you like to see?
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Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
The opposite of whatever MS wants it to be.
RagnarokIV
Member
No open world, no objective marker, no detective vision, no marking enemies, no minimap.
Freedom in medium-large levels, underlying spookiness and horror in at least 1 mission.
90s design sensibilities but with modern QOL.
Stephen Russell
No skill tree shit
The general atmosphere and ambience that you only felt with Deus Ex, Thief, System Shock etc.
Synthesized ambient soundtrack that's a callback to the SoundBlaster days with plenty of creepy atmosphere (no modern atonal drone crap or hollywood on a budget sounds) - think Thief, Deus Ex, Splinter Cell 1, Hitman: Codename 47 etc.
Freedom in medium-large levels, underlying spookiness and horror in at least 1 mission.
90s design sensibilities but with modern QOL.
Stephen Russell
No skill tree shit
The general atmosphere and ambience that you only felt with Deus Ex, Thief, System Shock etc.
Synthesized ambient soundtrack that's a callback to the SoundBlaster days with plenty of creepy atmosphere (no modern atonal drone crap or hollywood on a budget sounds) - think Thief, Deus Ex, Splinter Cell 1, Hitman: Codename 47 etc.
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hyperbertha
Member
Souls like of course.
JK. I want to see an openeorld Victorian setting, but certain areas gated off metroidvania style.
Highly dense world where every building is enterable/stealable.
As player earns more money and experience from stealing, he can buy newer equipment that makes it possible to acces gated off areas.
story progression that takes into account the open world metroid vania nature. No sidequests. Everything you do is in service to the main progression.
Certain building are large, like castles and mansions that tie much more into the main story and are essential to progress.
JK. I want to see an openeorld Victorian setting, but certain areas gated off metroidvania style.
Highly dense world where every building is enterable/stealable.
As player earns more money and experience from stealing, he can buy newer equipment that makes it possible to acces gated off areas.
story progression that takes into account the open world metroid vania nature. No sidequests. Everything you do is in service to the main progression.
Certain building are large, like castles and mansions that tie much more into the main story and are essential to progress.
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samoilaaa
Member
definetly , i would really like a remake but only as long as they get the treatment system shock got
samoilaaa
Member
a game like that would be very hard to sell these days , how do you expect modern gamers to find out where to go and what do do without any markers
LazyParrot
Member
To be honest, I'd just want them to stick to the old formula for the most part.
- Garret as the protagonist. He talks during missions, but only if it's relevant. No stupid quips or lame remarks every time you dodge an arrow or knock someone out.
- Discrete missions instead of an open world. Maybe add a hub level or something, but keep it separate from the mission areas.
- Higher difficulty = additional objectives and loot requirements.
- No markers or minimap. Bring back the old, incomplete hand-drawn maps with question marks and shit.
- Seamless stealth takedowns that don't take you out of first person view or lock you into micro-cutscenes like in the newer Deus Ex and Doom games. You club someone over the head and they go down. That's it.
EddieVanHelgen
Banned
Hand crafted levels, not open world. Full pathtracing to make use of the light/shadow mechanics.
Drizzlehell
Banned
I have no nostalgia for Theif because I never played it as a kid. Deadly Shadows was probably the most of what I played of that series, followed by the 2014 reboot, so I would like it to be like Deadly Shadows, but with the level of interactivity and first-person animations that the 2014 reboot had.
samoilaaa
Member
there wasnt alot of interactivity in 2014 one
Drizzlehell
Banned
I mean like all those hand animations and shit when you were nicking stuff from cupboards or operating objects. That stuff was nicely done in that game.
Wildebeest
Member
I would say, don't go down the path of having x-ray vision and crazy abilities that teleport you or latch onto things for canned animations. What it should have is really dark places and a realistic sound propagation model, so you are always trying to work out what sounds mean. Then you should have gadgets that synergise with systems like lighting and sound propagation. But the effects should not be so subtle that you are left guessing if they are doing anything at all.
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AlteredForms
Banned
As some have already touched upon in this thread. I want an entirely rebuilt experience of Thief: The Dark Project from the ground up and the same with Thief: The Metal Age & Deadly Shadows. The first game is my favourite though due to the occult and paranormal elements, though I've personally never been interested in the fusion of technology in a medieval setting.
Check out this video to see one of the more unnerving enemies in the game:
Check out this video to see one of the more unnerving enemies in the game:
Cyberpunkd
Member
The same way modern gamers did 20 years ago.a game like that would be very hard to sell these days , how do you expect modern gamers to find out where to go and what do do without any markers
But this is the only answer - no markers, no hyper detailed maps of a century old crypt (who made this map?), no hiding coins in plain sight to pat the gamer on the head for 30 seconds of exploration.
Basically just remake original games with better graphics.
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YeulEmeralda
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Hudo
Member
No open-world, for god's sake. Thief and Deus Ex games work best when they are hub-based with purposefully designed open-ended levels. Focus on single-player and continue with the setting as it was in Thief 2, magic-steampunk stuff. No skill-tree; make it item-based and like in Thief 1 and 2. And rely on the player's skill to deduce situations, read patterns (of guards, environmental stuff and architectural clues, etc.) and generally to have common sense. But I am not sure if the new generation of ADHD-ridden retards can actually stomach a slow, methodical stealth game. So what they actually will do is to make some sort of Splinter Cell: Conviction equivalent. Style and spectacle over substance.
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DaGwaphics
Member
I like this pitch.
Especially the idea of all of the potential targets being available from the beginning, just with a wide range of difficulty. Where you need to level up your capabilities to have a real shot at pulling off the different tiers. With maybe certain equipment being required for access, like you suggested.
hyperbertha
Member
With much more game design effort, you can elevate it to open world immersive sim status, by making all areas accessible multiple ways rather than a fixed equipment, so whichever ability you level up will get you in. But this is MUCH harder to design as an open world.
Zannegan
Member
Regardless of whether they go open world or hub, I just want to see the world react to your actions, a sort of city-wide nemesis system.
In that vein, death aside, I'd love to see a Thief that has no game over screens. Set that reactive world up in such a way that it makes it possible to fail a heist (or succeed mightily) and have the story continue with repercussions from your actions playing out in real time.
I'd gladly trade scope of the world or size of the map in exchange for replayability. I know procedural generation has become a dirty word, and hand crafted environments and encounters are elevated (for good reason). However, a certain amount of randomization--more in terms of guards, traps, and treasures and their locations than the actual layout of the city or structures--could not only keep the replayability high, but maintain that all important tension as you will have to manage risk v. reward while deciding to delve deeper into a patrolled house in search of a treasure that might not, after all, even be there.
Again, there has to be more to it than simple randomization every time you enter the house, as it would have to make sense within the context of the particular house owners at that moment in the story, and players would need to be able to research/case their targets so they aren't just blundering around in hopes of stumbling across a treasure.
In sum, a shorter, tighter experience in which the player can make meaningful choices and mistakes that actually impact the world and the story is my ideal Thief revival. Or, in Warren Spector's terms, make sure "playstyle matters." It's a big ask in the age of bloat, but it would be something special.
In that vein, death aside, I'd love to see a Thief that has no game over screens. Set that reactive world up in such a way that it makes it possible to fail a heist (or succeed mightily) and have the story continue with repercussions from your actions playing out in real time.
I'd gladly trade scope of the world or size of the map in exchange for replayability. I know procedural generation has become a dirty word, and hand crafted environments and encounters are elevated (for good reason). However, a certain amount of randomization--more in terms of guards, traps, and treasures and their locations than the actual layout of the city or structures--could not only keep the replayability high, but maintain that all important tension as you will have to manage risk v. reward while deciding to delve deeper into a patrolled house in search of a treasure that might not, after all, even be there.
Again, there has to be more to it than simple randomization every time you enter the house, as it would have to make sense within the context of the particular house owners at that moment in the story, and players would need to be able to research/case their targets so they aren't just blundering around in hopes of stumbling across a treasure.
In sum, a shorter, tighter experience in which the player can make meaningful choices and mistakes that actually impact the world and the story is my ideal Thief revival. Or, in Warren Spector's terms, make sure "playstyle matters." It's a big ask in the age of bloat, but it would be something special.
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Dishonored 1/2 scrath that Thief itch perfectly, to be honest. Including Russel.
New Thief? At the bare minimum: No Rhianna Pratchett in sight, Colantonio as lead, tight gameplay that is wrapped around the in-game lighting and rope arrows. That would be a good start even with a modest budget.
New Thief? At the bare minimum: No Rhianna Pratchett in sight, Colantonio as lead, tight gameplay that is wrapped around the in-game lighting and rope arrows. That would be a good start even with a modest budget.
Elder Legend
Banned
I hope
German Hops
would be the main character and the main mechanic is too steal lunches from hugh value targets.
German Hops
would be the main character and the main mechanic is too steal lunches from hugh value targets.
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