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[trufflepigg]

Yeah it's a crazy world we live in, have you played Apex Legends? Wanna be a white guy? Too bad. The only white male character is locked and guess what, he's a fat ugly guy with the ability to lay toxic mines everywhere and toxic gas. He's truly a toxic white male.

Wanna be a diverse ethnic female character in Apex Legends? They got you covered. But don't you dare express your concerns about the lack of white males who are bad ass heroes, that's probably racist.

 

[The Chairman]

Sheesh, whats up with the western female designs that looks like the racist propaganda from 100 years ago.
first we have this

And now we have this from Anthem

How she looks from behind lol

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Sheesh, whats up with the western female designs that looks like the racist propaganda from 100 years ago.
first we have this

And now we have this from Anthem

How she looks from behind lol

Bro, what happened to your arms in that last screenshot?

 

[lock2k]

Sheesh, whats up with the western female designs that looks like the racist propaganda from 100 years ago.
first we have this

And now we have this from Anthem

How she looks from behind lol

Kill them with fire. My god.

 

[Dacon]

Sheesh, whats up with the western female designs that looks like the racist propaganda from 100 years ago.
first we have this

And now we have this from Anthem

Is that a naked ape?

 

[LegendOfKage]

Yet again, people. I have no idea where that screenshot came from, but the character in Apex Legends didn't look anything like that, not even from day one. You can stop posting that stupid "example" now.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Fanservice for men? FFS, stop jacking off to video games, go the fuck outside and maybe go talk to a FEMALE HUMAN BEING.

This is what it always boils down to, "go get laid, nerds!" and it's bullshit.

Eye candy is something pleasant to look at, whether you're going to jack off to it or not, should we stop casting beautiful women in movies to encourage men to "talk to real women"? Of course not, people like to look at pretty people, there's nothing pleasant about ugly or bland characters being shoved in your face.

And even if someone does want to jack off to it, well, so what? What's the harm here? What's so bad about it? Is jacking off not kind of a weird thing for an entire industry to be predicated against? "Oh no, we can't put sexy characters in our games anymore, someone might jack off to it!" developers may say, is that not... fucking weird?

And of course the assumption that someone only masturbates when they're not in a sexual relationship, which is nonsense, everyone enjoys a little solo time every now and then, right?

Let's just stop pretending there's any sort of moral element to this argument, nerds who want to jack off to sexy game babes is not hurting anyone, some people just don't like it because they just don't like nerds, they are actively disgusted by them, they don't have any sort of moral leg to stand on for why games shouldn't have sexy females other than Jack Thompson "murder simulator" style nonsense, they just want to make life worse for nerds.

Nerds are just an easy punching bag for people, always have been, the idea that being a "nerd" could have ever been cool is laughable, what we have now is the gentrification of nerd culture by people who like the aesthetic (or pretend to because it's trendy) but hate the actual people.

I wonder if it's grounded in the idea of consent.
The cosplayer can wear whatever she likes and is not obligated to cover up because her body her choice. Fine.
The fictional character, on the other hand, can't consent to being "forced" to wear a sexy outfit so that's not cool. Maybe?

Consent seems to be what it all comes down to, a fictional female character can't "consent" and thus it's not right to "force" them to wear something revealing, even though, ya know, we're talking fictional characters.

Meanwhile flesh and blood cosplayers can of course choose what they wear, so that's fine and almost every female cosplayer sexes it up beyond what the game itself does, heck I saw Kotaku showcase a photoshoot of sexy Shadow of the Colossus cosplayers complete with thongs.

That is the silver lining of present day culture is while sexy has all but disappeared from western games, female fans who do have a genuine appreciation and aren't nerd haters have taken up the slack.

 

[The Chairman]

Yet again, people. I have no idea where that screenshot came from, but the character in Apex Legends didn't look anything like that, not even from day one. You can stop posting that stupid "example" now.

It's from the official cinematic launch trailer lol



1:52 mark

 

[lock2k]

This is what it always boils down to, "go get laid, nerds!" and it's bullshit.

Eye candy is something pleasant to look at, whether you're going to jack off to it or not, should we stop casting beautiful women in movies to encourage men to "talk to real women"? Of course not, people like to look at pretty people, there's nothing pleasant about ugly or bland characters being shoved in your face.

And even if someone does want to jack off to it, well, so what? What's the harm here? What's so bad about it? Is jacking off not kind of a weird thing for an entire industry to be predicated against? "Oh no, we can't put sexy characters in our games anymore, someone might jack off to it!" developers may say, is that not... fucking weird?

And of course the assumption that someone only masturbates when they're not in a sexual relationship, which is nonsense, everyone enjoys a little solo time every now and then, right?

Let's just stop pretending there's any sort of moral element to this argument, nerds who want to jack off to sexy game babes is not hurting anyone, some people just don't like it because they just don't like nerds, they are actively disgusted by them, they don't have any sort of moral leg to stand on for why games shouldn't have sexy females other than Jack Thompson "murder simulator" style nonsense, they just want to make life worse for nerds.

Nerds are just an easy punching bag for people, always have been, the idea that being a "nerd" could have ever been cool is laughable, what we have now is the gentrification of nerd culture by people who like the aesthetic (or pretend to because it's trendy) but hate the actual people.



Consent seems to be what it all comes down to, a fictional female character can't "consent" and thus it's not right to "force" them to wear something revealing, even though, ya know, we're talking fictional characters.

Meanwhile flesh and blood cosplayers can of course choose what they wear, so that's fine and almost every female cosplayer sexes it up beyond what the game itself does, heck I saw Kotaku showcase a photoshoot of sexy Shadow of the Colossus cosplayers complete with thongs.

That is the silver lining of present day culture is while sexy has all but disappeared from western games, female fans who do have a genuine appreciation and aren't nerd haters have taken up the slack.

This whole concept of consent of a fictional character is so ridiculous. I mean... when you create a character you are basically their god.

They are your slaves. you can do whatever you want to them because they are your creations.

This stupid mentality could only arise in the very western world that they oh-so-hate but it's so lacking in terms of real problems for these imbeciles that they created a bunch of useless problems so they can feel important.

 

[LegendOfKage]

It's from the official cinematic launch trailer lol



1:52 mark

Finally I understand where that came from!

That was the first video that anyone had seen of the game, and I was really afraid as I was watching the reveal stream live that the game was going to look like that. The environments were awful in that video, but that face is on another level of bad. I almost wonder if EA marketing freelanced it out to someone, and Respawn had nothing to do with it. It even moves along with jerky animation that makes it look like it's having frame rate issues. I was so relieved when I saw the actual game after that.

So yeah, I'd say it looks bad because it's poorly made and not representative of the actual game, not because it was pushing some "let's make women look awful" agenda. There's a lot about that trailer that doesn't look good, although that's definitely the worst of it.

 

[Helios]

So yeah, I'd say it looks bad because it's poorly made and not representative of the actual game, not because it was pushing some "let's make women look awful" agenda. There's a lot about that trailer that doesn't look good, although that's definitely the worst of it.

Agreed. Clearly they were either not happy with how it looked in the trailer or the trailer was made a long time ago. Lifeline was also not the only character that had her face changed. Mirage and Wraith look different in-game too. Their change is a bit more subtle than Lifeline's and for a good reason. There are various other improvements too like how the portals look.

Spoiler

Not that this will stop people from posting that image of lifeline as an example of how western devs can't make good-looking females.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Can I just ask, what is the point of making a video game character an ugly Chudhead, like those Anthem examples?

There's a difference between making a character who looks like an average, everyday person, like Alyx Vance in Half-Life 2, she wasn't a "babe" but she was still attractive, she just looked like a real person, not a fantasy.

But now we're at the point where in order to be "real" you have to make people ugly and that's just stupid, beautiful women are not unicorns, they exist in real life, you can be "real" and still feature attractive people.

This whole concept of consent of a fictional character is so ridiculous. I mean... when you create a character you are basically their god.

They are your slaves. you can do whatever you want to them because they are your creations.

This stupid mentality could only arise in the very western world that they oh-so-hate but it's so lacking in terms of real problems for these imbeciles that they created a bunch of useless problems so they can feel important.

That is exactly why it makes SJWs uncomfortable, they are so feminist they fight for the rights of nonexistent women.

Did you ever see that clip from way back in 2013 of an outraged feminist complaining about how some players were modding Grand Theft Auto V in order to make it look like they were "raping" other players? The way she was talking about it was as if people were getting raped for real, rather than, ya know, a fucking video game. (I believe said girl actually now works for Bioware, which explains Anthem lol)

SJWs think fantasy is reality, it's creepy how insane these people are.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

SJWs think fantasy is reality, it's creepy how insane these people are.

You think it is because they can't tell the difference, but the truth is, they wouldn't recognize reality if they saw it. They've isolated themselves away from real people and real situations, sitting there tweeting their outrage as if it mattered.

Personally, I'd love to see a reality tv show where they get a bunch of feminists off twitter and then make them hold a job at McDonald's, no social media, and not have everything paid for by their parents.

 

[7echnicolor]

Yeah it's a crazy world we live in, have you played Apex Legends? Wanna be a white guy? Too bad. The only white male character is locked and guess what, he's a fat ugly guy with the ability to lay toxic mines everywhere and toxic gas. He's truly a toxic white male.

You are so, so, so, so close to getting it lol.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

You think it is because they can't tell the difference, but the truth is, they wouldn't recognize reality if they saw it. They've isolated themselves away from real people and real situations, sitting there tweeting their outrage as if it mattered.

Personally, I'd love to see a reality tv show where they get a bunch of feminists off twitter and then make them hold a job at McDonald's, no social media, and not have everything paid for by their parents.

They'd either go insane (more so than usual anyway) or pop their heads out of their asses.

 

[sol_bad]

This whole concept of consent of a fictional character is so ridiculous. I mean... when you create a character you are basically their god.

The interesting part is that the consent only works one way. You make a fictional character sexy and they get angry because they are sexy.

You take a character who has been sexy for 10-20 years and then cover them up (MK11) and they cheer happily. But God damn it, did they get this sexy fictional characters cconsent to cover them up??!!

 

[SoulUnison]

Again!!! What hell can’t we enjoy sexy character design without wanting “jacking off” to it!!? What’s wrong for wanting beautiful character designs in my games?

Because you're conflating "beautiful" with "sexual fan-service" and on some level a lot of people just find that...sad.

A character doesn't need to look like they just wandered off the set of a 90s parody porno to have "beautiful character design" and when you take the tact of "but characters can be well designed and still show some titties, too!" it just comes off as somewhat desperate, and THEN you yell at people for a fairly reasonable emotional and critical reaction and it just exponentially makes it look more delusional.

I don't really know how to reconcile "Why can't we enjoy sexy characters without masturbating" with the absolute and angry way you defend and demand its existence. If it's not there for narrative purposes and it's not there for sexual titillation, what is it there for? When people rightly point out that it's a superfluous quality and you constantly just respond with "But I WANT it!" It's hard to see the argument as coming from anything but, like, a horny and frustrated teenager.

 

[oagboghi2]

Because you're conflating "beautiful" with "sexual fan-service" and on some level a lot of people just find that...sad.

A character doesn't need to look like they just wandered off the set of a 90s parody porno to have "beautiful character design" and when you take the tact of "but characters can be well designed and still show some titties, too!" it just comes off as somewhat desperate, and THEN you yell at people for a fairly reasonable emotional and critical reaction and it just exponentially makes it look more delusional.

You're the one assuming "90's parody porno". I don't see anyone in this thread asking for porn.

 

[SoulUnison]

You're the one assuming "90's parody porno". I don't see anyone in this thread asking for porn.

You're latching onto a specific word in an attempt to divert and damage control my sentiments.
We both know I wasn't trying to say that anyone was literally asking for their games to be pornographic.

 

[Hecaton117]

Because you're conflating "beautiful" with "sexual fan-service" and on some level a lot of people just find that...sad.

A character doesn't need to look like they just wandered off the set of a 90s parody porno to have "beautiful character design" and when you take the tact of "but characters can be well designed and still show some titties, too!" it just comes off as somewhat desperate, and THEN you yell at people for a fairly reasonable emotional and critical reaction and it just exponentially makes it look more delusional.

I don't really know how to reconcile "Why can't we enjoy sexy characters without masturbating" with the absolute and angry way you defend and demand its existence. If it's not there for narrative purposes and it's not there for sexual titillation, what is it there for? When people rightly point out that it's a superfluous quality and you constantly just respond with "But I WANT it!" It's hard to see the argument as coming from anything but, like, a horny and frustrated teenager.

I have to admire your determination. I imagine this isn't the first time you've tried to tell someone what they should find beautiful. It takes a lot of confidence to continue the practice despite boasting a 0% success rate.

Danjin44 isn't really desperate. Wanting to see designs that you like in the media that you engage with is pretty normal, what reeks of desperation is when someone can't handle the fact that people other than themselves have personal preferences that don't match their own, and feel the need to lord themselves over others as being more mature while acting anything but. There's a consistent pattern here of open contempt, constant gloating of faux maturity and the cherry on top always being calling people 12 year olds.

If I were to take after people like you I would come to the conclusion that the real mark of maturity is whinging that people like stuff that you don't while calling them 12 year olds/teenagers. Well that and a complete lack of self awareness.

A long time ago I thought that after high school this sort of idiotic behaviour would dissipate as people moved onto adulthood. But I eventually learned that I was too optimistic. It turns out some people never outgrow that desire to shit on other people for what they like. Twisting and contorting the concept of maturity to justify their belief that they are superior to other human beings because of something as trite and banal as the media they like and consume.

Danjin44, you are not desperate and you are not a horny teenager for liking what makes you happy. Wanting to see what you like in the media you consume is a completely natural desire. Don't listen to anyone who doesn't understand this and is just looking to use you as a quick ego boost.

 

[petran79]

Can I just ask, what is the point of making a video game character an ugly Chudhead, like those Anthem examples?

There's a difference between making a character who looks like an average, everyday person, like Alyx Vance in Half-Life 2, she wasn't a "babe" but she was still attractive, she just looked like a real person, not a fantasy.

But now we're at the point where in order to be "real" you have to make people ugly and that's just stupid, beautiful women are not unicorns, they exist in real life, you can be "real" and still feature attractive people.

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There is also a stark difference between Japanese and Western animation that now carried over to video games too. In Japanese animation it is easy to distinguish the individual artists while in western animation things are homogenized

 

[Elcid]

Awww glad I haven't touched APEX. I don't support that kind of shit. You know what is going to be the only game I buy in the near future? DOA6 DELUXE!

 

[SoulUnison]

I have to admire your determination. I imagine this isn't the first time you've tried to tell someone what they should find beautiful. It takes a lot of confidence to continue the practice despite boasting a 0% success rate.

Danjin44 isn't really desperate. Wanting to see designs that you like in the media that you engage with is pretty normal, what reeks of desperation is when someone can't handle the fact that people other than themselves have personal preferences that don't match their own, and feel the need to lord themselves over others as being more mature while acting anything but. There's a consistent pattern here of open contempt, constant gloating of faux maturity and the cherry on top always being calling people 12 year olds.

If I were to take after people like you I would come to the conclusion that the real mark of maturity is whinging that people like stuff that you don't while calling them 12 year olds/teenagers. Well that and a complete lack of self awareness.

A long time ago I thought that after high school this sort of idiotic behaviour would dissipate as people moved onto adulthood. But I eventually learned that I was too optimistic. It turns out some people never outgrow that desire to shit on other people for what they like. Twisting and contorting the concept of maturity to justify their belief that they are superior to other human beings because of something as trite and banal as the media they like and consume.

Danjin44, you are not desperate and you are not a horny teenager for liking what makes you happy. Wanting to see what you like in the media you consume is a completely natural desire. Don't listen to anyone who doesn't understand this and is just looking to use you as a quick ego boost.

This is another type of deflection. I'm not "shitting" on someone for what they lie, I just want them to be honest about what it is that they like and why it is that they like it. The people that argue in favor of this sort of thing seem to be too embarrassed to just come out and say "I want sexy sex even though it adds nothing to the overall product because I like tawdry titillation."

My problem isn't even truly with the idea of fanservice in games, it's with this sort of "thought policing" that I'm unironically doing in a sense, too, admittedly.

The people championing fanservice in games can't seem to come up with a reason for its existence besides "I like tits and ass" but when people point that out they get super defensive and basically demand that people not be allowed to call the situation as it seems. They want to have their cake and also demand that everybody else look away and ignore them eating it and absolutely demand that nobody ever be able to point out that they're empty calories.

That's what sad. These people can't even own their own motives and try to hide behind laughable and flimsy arguments like "But there's nudity in art!"

It's hard to go along with people lying to themselves, especially when they demand that everybody else join them in the delusion so that they never have to feel bad about it. The fact is that cheap and excessive fanservice turns more people off to products than it manages to attract to them, but you still have some people screaming loudly and often that their enjoyment is all that matters, as though marketability, profit, or even just wanting to reach the widest possible audience with some sort of sincere creative product is all second-tier to them getting to see some skin.

I mean, you even dilute your own point by needing to intentionally misrepresent mine to make it sound worse or "meaner" than it was. Video games are kind of inherently a children's/teenager's medium. We're all playing with glorified children's toys, most of the time. It's not unreasonable to view that reigning demographic, see the militant and rabid demand for sexual fanservice, and then extrapolate that "Wow, there's a lot of puberty happening, here." You're the one who's intentionally misrepresenting my statement of "teenagers" as "12 year olds" to try to strawman the worst possible version of what I'm saying and avoid having to engage on the actual premise.

You don't have anything to say about what I'm saying so you're complaining and lying about how I'm saying it, and then you have the audacity to go on a tangent about "maturity." I'd be laughing if you weren't such the standard for internet discourse and if that wasn't such a sad fact.

 

[Endless Fluff]

The people championing fanservice in games can't seem to come up with a reason for its existence besides "I like tits and ass" but when people point that out they get super defensive and basically demand that people not be allowed to call the situation as it seems. They want to have their cake and also demand that everybody else look away and ignore them eating it and absolutely demand that nobody ever be able to point out that they're empty calories.

That's what sad. These people can't even own their own motives and try to hide behind laughable and flimsy arguments like "But there's nudity in art!"

I've always loved sexy people in any type of media. I've always owned up and openly said so, because I'm an adult and I know what I've accomplished in my life.

What annoys me is people, like you, trying to change something that needs no changing. There doesn't need to be a reason for sexy to exist. If it's there, then it is there. It doesn't need a deep narrative behind it. Just like Yoko Taro said when he came up with 2Bs design. He simply likes lewd stuff and there is nothing wrong with that.

It's hard to go along with people lying to themselves, especially when they demand that everybody else join them in the delusion so that they never have to feel bad about it.

It's hard to get along with people forcing their standards and morals upon everyone else they deem as "trash", because they enjoy something which is seen as "problematic" or "inappropriate". It's very hard to get along with those people when they demand that everybody who isn't on the right side of the fence to get over to their side, just so they never ever have to see something they don't like.

The fact is that cheap and excessive fanservice turns more people off to products than it manages to attract to them

"The fact" is that sex sells.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

This is another type of deflection. I'm not "shitting" on someone for what they lie, I just want them to be honest about what it is that they like and why it is that they like it. The people that argue in favor of this sort of thing seem to be too embarrassed to just come out and say "I want sexy sex even though it adds nothing to the overall product because I like tawdry titillation."

I want sexy sex. I like boobs, buns, and baginas. I've never been ashamed of it, but I also don't think I'm particularly unique in this regard.

As for adding nothing to the overall product, let's take a pack of playing cards for example. The typical playing cards are sort of generic, but you can get them with all sorts of pictures on them. For instance, Bin Laden's most trusted lieutenants. Or Playboy models. Or Mario characters. To say this adds nothing to the overall product is wrong. It adds nothing to the gameplay. It contributes considerably to the experience though. For instance, you probably wouldn't want to be playing with Bin Laden's trusted lieutenants staring back at you during a stag party, nor would you want to have Playboy models at a 7 year old's Mario-themed birthday party.

The people championing fanservice in games can't seem to come up with a reason for its existence besides "I like tits and ass" but when people point that out they get super defensive and basically demand that people not be allowed to call the situation as it seems.

I'm adult. I'm reasonably well educated, smarter than most, and have a wholesome and good family life. I think I deserve to be able to enjoy the things that I enjoy without being criticized by someone who is uneducated, dumb, and has a fucked up opinion of human relationships.

That's all there is to it. Let me be an adult and enjoy adult things. If you say I can't, fuck you. It is that simple.

They want to have their cake and also demand that everybody else look away and ignore them eating it and absolutely demand that nobody ever be able to point out that they're empty calories.

My body, my food, my business. The decision to change my lifestyle has to come from me. It can not come from you. Ever. I'll extend the same courtesy to you, out of simple respect for the fact that I'm not in charge of what you do any more than you are in charge of what I do.

It's hard to go along with people lying to themselves, especially when they demand that everybody else join them in the delusion so that they never have to feel bad about it.

What should I feel bad about? No, seriously. What exactly am I doing that is wrong, immoral, unhealthy, dangerous, unpleasant, or otherwise improper?

Video games are kind of inherently a children's/teenager's medium. We're all playing with glorified children's toys, most of the time.

First, fuck off.

Second, who cares?

Third, this point is almost too stupid to address, but what the heck? Let's have this discussion. Let's start with The Hobbit, move into Animal Farm, then maybe cap it off with Watchmen. Somewhere in there, let's address Dungeons and Dragons, The Wizard of Oz, Tom Sawyer, Alice in Wonderland, Star Wars, Gundam, and what the heck, Warhammer 40k. Being a children's/teenager's medium says nothing about the quality of the content, nor the type of content.

If we can have Bloodborne, we can have Senran Kagura. It's that simple.

 

[petran79]

Third, this point is almost too stupid to address, but what the heck? Let's have this discussion. Let's start with The Hobbit, move into Animal Farm, then maybe cap it off with Watchmen. Somewhere in there, let's address Dungeons and Dragons, The Wizard of Oz, Tom Sawyer, Alice in Wonderland, Star Wars, Gundam, and what the heck, Warhammer 40k. Being a children's/teenager's medium says nothing about the quality of the content, nor the type of content.

If we can have Bloodborne, we can have Senran Kagura. It's that simple.

In Watchmen, Doctor Manhattan has a relationship with a 15 year old girl. Where is the rage?

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

In Watchmen, Doctor Manhattan has a relationship with a 15 year old girl. Where is the rage?

Well, comic books are a teenager's medium, so you need to have some teenagers in it somewhere, right?

 

[Hecaton117]

This is another type of deflection. I'm not "shitting" on someone for what they lie, I just want them to be honest about what it is that they like and why it is that they like it. The people that argue in favor of this sort of thing seem to be too embarrassed to just come out and say "I want sexy sex even though it adds nothing to the overall product because I like tawdry titillation."

My problem isn't even truly with the idea of fanservice in games, it's with this sort of "thought policing" that I'm unironically doing in a sense, too, admittedly.

The people championing fanservice in games can't seem to come up with a reason for its existence besides "I like tits and ass" but when people point that out they get super defensive and basically demand that people not be allowed to call the situation as it seems. They want to have their cake and also demand that everybody else look away and ignore them eating it and absolutely demand that nobody ever be able to point out that they're empty calories.

That's what sad. These people can't even own their own motives and try to hide behind laughable and flimsy arguments like "But there's nudity in art!"

It's hard to go along with people lying to themselves, especially when they demand that everybody else join them in the delusion so that they never have to feel bad about it. The fact is that cheap and excessive fanservice turns more people off to products than it manages to attract to them, but you still have some people screaming loudly and often that their enjoyment is all that matters, as though marketability, profit, or even just wanting to reach the widest possible audience with some sort of sincere creative product is all second-tier to them getting to see some skin.

I mean, you even dilute your own point by needing to intentionally misrepresent mine to make it sound worse or "meaner" than it was. Video games are kind of inherently a children's/teenager's medium. We're all playing with glorified children's toys, most of the time. It's not unreasonable to view that reigning demographic, see the militant and rabid demand for sexual fanservice, and then extrapolate that "Wow, there's a lot of puberty happening, here." You're the one who's intentionally misrepresenting my statement of "teenagers" as "12 year olds" to try to strawman the worst possible version of what I'm saying and avoid having to engage on the actual premise.

You don't have anything to say about what I'm saying so you're complaining and lying about how I'm saying it, and then you have the audacity to go on a tangent about "maturity." I'd be laughing if you weren't such the standard for internet discourse and if that wasn't such a sad fact.

Don't have much time but I'm going to quickly go over a few major points.

1. Value determination of subjective qualities is irrelevant to people wanting their inclusion.

No one has to substantiate reasons for why they want something in the media they consume other than "they like it". There is no deep and insidious reason that you seem to think exists. People like, therefore they want. You are not a litmus test that people must pass before they can want or experience desire.


2. Loaded premise/question that already decides a conclusion before it can be answered. In other words you have disingenuously framed your conclusion as a question.

You ask people to explain why they want something, but you already load your conclusion into the question making the answer pointless as you've already decided. Let's replace the subject to see how ridiculous this looks.

Person A: "I really like ninjas in games and would love to play new games that have them!".
Person B: "Really? Why do you want worthless ninjas that have no strong narrative purpose for existing? The game would be just fine without them, why do you want superfluous elements in your games? I have decided that they have no value therefore they don't need to exist".

This is 100% shitting on people for what they like. If you are actually interested in why someone likes something, you don't ask loaded questions. I would never ever ever phrase a question like you have if I was actually interested in learning why someone likes something regardless of what it is.

3. Unsubstantiated claim that sexy designs cause a loss in sales and that their removal results in a significant increase in sales ("any games that remove will get millions more in sales!" is the most common form here because there are millions of people just waiting to buy games if it were not for a character's cleavage). This has never been substantiated so it's not a point worth entertaining.

 

[The Chairman]

Damn, Chun-Li was going to be "westernized" hard, thank god it didn't happen.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[The Chairman]

It's official guys.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/...-items-were-purposefully-de-sexualized/81034/

NetherRealm has confirmed that there will be no sexy, scantily-clad items for the females in Mortal Kombat 11. The female characters were purposefully de-sexualized, according to NetherRealm Studios.

That means no classic outfits too, but you can still enjoy the shirtless buff dudes and torture porn instead.

 

[Fuz]

Not watching a 30 minutes video. TL;DR please.

 

[JunkerWoland]

Yeah, I read the Polygon article last night. The news is disappointing, but it's what I expected.

Video games as a medium present the opportunity to eat one's cake and have it, too. Had the companies involved with MK11 stated they were making an effort to give female characters more diverse body types and some conservative costume choices, I could appreciate their stance, assuming they were still providing sexier offerings, which is something I do expect from the franchise.

As it stands, the publisher and developer are free to do what they please, but I'll pass on MK11. I'm all for giving people options, but I'm not supporting products that make the conscious decision to tone done or remove erotic elements in a blatant attempt to play into left-leaning social agendas.

 

[petran79]

Not watching a 30 minutes video. TL;DR please.

Netherrealms are sexist because they depict men as violent and women as kind, decent and morally pure. Sanitised so to speak. Mentions also how different womenexecutives are treated when they mistreat staff. Traditional sexism was replaced by benevolent sexism that has more real life repercussions

 

[bilderberg]

"Having large boobs with skin showing is totally immature, look and applaud at how not sexist we are." The tight rope these people have to walk between believing "all body types are equal, sexualization is bad, slut shaming is bad, big boobs are immature..." leaves my head spinning.

 

[LordClansman]

What I find awful is even straight men defending this saying stuff like "well I'm not 15 anymore, so I'm okay with this". Like being attracted to sexy females means you're a teenager. And even if that were true, I guess teenagers aren't allowed to play games with stuff that they like, fuck them right?

 

[Abriael_GN]

Unfortunately, most of the "old gen" of western developers have become too involved with politics to go back. Those who aren't, are just crushed by peer pressure, and those who would like some sexy are actually afraid to speak because their job is literally at stake.

I have more hope in the next generation, and if you want fanservice, you may want to support related projects on Kickstarter and similar platforms.

Here's one example that's going on now.

This is another interesting one, even if the campaign already ended.

Western AAA may be a lost cause for the time being, but there is hope if you look well enough.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Where MK11 is concerned, this is truly insane, given that the game's entire purpose is to pander to desires for gruesome violence. Suddenly, pandering to extreme violence is politically acceptable (most of my progressive friends adore Game of Thrones) while any fanservice appealing to 'heteronormativity' is thought dangerous.

Actually, I think there's a deeper shift going on that suddenly is obsessed with a model of empowerment that can only understand agency as pure self-assertion, rejection of expectations, and violence. It needs brutally violent women appearing alongside the men because that shows a defiance of any modeled femininity, but considers anything 'passive', driven by social norms, or concerning one's appearance to be inherently disempowering.

 

[TeamGhobad]

im hoping Cyberpunk 2077 will have some fan service towards the straight male, boy meets girl and together they tear up night city =)

 

[Javthusiast]

Don't shame thots on twitch, and I mean clear thots, not actual female streamers, or people call you out for slut shaming them etc, but don't you dare have skimpy outfits in games.

I am gonna vote with my wallet and buy the game down the line for cheap or used.

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

SO, MK males are half-dressed but women can't be?

 

[Screamer-RSA]

It's official guys.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/...-items-were-purposefully-de-sexualized/81034/

NetherRealm has confirmed that there will be no sexy, scantily-clad items for the females in Mortal Kombat 11. The female characters were purposefully de-sexualized, according to NetherRealm Studios.

That means no classic outfits too, but you can still enjoy the shirtless buff dudes and torture porn instead.

Fuck’em, let the people they pandre to support them then. Lets see how that pans out.

 

[LMJ]

Ultimately I'm 100% behind Netherrealm making the game they want to make, if they want to make a game where the women are mostly clad and the men are mostly naked Fine then...

I'm also 100% behind people calling them out on their BS hypocrisies, and they deserve this scrutiny because their video game glorifies violence and to sit there and say that they have matured is just laughable, there is no fighter that glorifies violence as much as Mortal Kombat, but tits and ass? "won't somebody think of the children"

The great thing about freedom is that it allows you to make what you want you want to, it doesn't mean you're free from criticism let's make that clear but everyone should be able to exercise there artistic freedoms however they please .

However it's interesting that in this current landscape we find ourselves, if another developer came along who decided to make a game featuring oh I don't know let's say incredibly scantily clad women fight scantily clad men in...let's say a tournament where one might find themselves Dead set on fighting opponents whose bounciness proves that they're Alive...messenger_winking_tongue

Also, let's just say maybe a spin-off occurs involving something that usually involves scantily clad women perhaps a beach setting I don't know volleyball Springs to mind... the level of scrutiny and criticism from certain Gamers and the gaming media won't shut the hell up about supposed sexism and other "isms" to the point that said spinoff might not even be released Stateside...just saying

Again, if Netherrealms wants to take this course that's fine but at least be honest about it, you're not being more mature, you're afraid of fall back from the Re-etc crowd from the gaming journalists and the other idiots who weren't going to purchase your game in the first place...

Sadly the modus operandi is for morons like NR running these businesses for some unknown reason to kowtow to these idiots, and for those who are interested in your game aka the actual gamers to suffer as usual

 

[Shagger]

I understand this topic has over 1200 replies at this point so I'm coming in very late, but is this really such a big priority? I'm not a feminist or anything, but as how can a grown man complain about this and expect to be taken seriously?

There's nothing wrong with nudity and sexual content in a game, movie or whatever when it's rated and marketed towards adults, but I do think it's so much better with content and ads something other than moronic titillation.

 

[Abriael_GN]

I'm not a feminist or anything

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moronic titillation.

Nice progression.

 

[Revas]

There were Playboy's magazines that were collectables in Mafia 3. They had a collaboration there. But that game was trying hard to be woke in its own ways. And it bombed.

Woke? What are you even?



I don't get what the big deal is. Women in games becoming more like women in real life. There's so many other avenues to traverse if you want to see women with no clothes or little clothes or half naked Black Cat or Lara Croft.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I understand this topic has over 1200 replies at this point so I'm coming in very late, but is this really such a big priority? I'm not a feminist or anything, but as how can a grown man complain about this and expect to be taken seriously?

There's nothing wrong with nudity and sexual content in a game, movie or whatever when it's rated and marketed towards adults, but I do think it's so much better with content and ads something other than moronic titillation.

Not just grown men complaining, but also grown women. Developers should be called out in their hypocrisy and regressive views.

 

[kingbean]

The moral grandstanding in this thread is both hilarious and painful.

It's entertainment. It can be grounded in reality just as much as it can be wild fantasy.

 

[Revas]

Yeah it's a crazy world we live in, have you played Apex Legends? Wanna be a white guy? Too bad. The only white male character is locked and guess what, he's a fat ugly guy with the ability to lay toxic mines everywhere and toxic gas. He's truly a toxic white male.

Wanna be a diverse ethnic female character in Apex Legends? They got you covered. But don't you dare express your concerns about the lack of white males who are bad ass heroes, that's probably racist.

Where you ever bothered when games offered numerous flavors of white people?

 

[kingbean]

I understand this topic has over 1200 replies at this point so I'm coming in very late, but is this really such a big priority? I'm not a feminist or anything, but as how can a grown man complain about this and expect to be taken seriously?

There's nothing wrong with nudity and sexual content in a game, movie or whatever when it's rated and marketed towards adults, but I do think it's so much better with content and ads something other than moronic titillation.

Because it's escapism and entertainment.

There is a reason why romance fuck novels make 1 billion dollars a year. People love looking and reading about sexy people.

And people acting like it's somehow hurtful is fucking retarded. Humans are made to fuck.