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Kingdom Hearts Community Thread: Now everybody can be a Keyblade Wielder!
- Thread starter Blood Diamonds
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That you can actually think that there is not a such thing as being objectively bad is one of the silliest things I've ever read. The fact that you can hold such an unreasonably untenable position in spite of already admitting that most books and tv is terrible is prove in and of itself that in your mind there is no convincing argument to be had. But then again, the flat earth society is a thing that exists and Donald Trump is leading his party, so there clearly isn't a limit to what people will believe.
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Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
First of all - stories are art. No matter how silly, stupid, nonsensical, or in bad taste, they're pieces of art. They're works of the author's - artist's - imagination. Art is probably at the very end of the opinion side on the opinion-fact scale. You could argue about art forever, but I'm sure there's a reason why there's no magical computer that's able to calculate the "worth" of every painting, sculpture and short story. Now that that's out of the way...
Since you're being particularly condescending, I get the feeling that you're actually unable to defend your claim. I mean, you are comparing matters of art, taste - opinion - to something scientifically proven, like the earth not being flat. So let's take it slow, piecemeal-like: what does it mean, in your opinion, when something is objectively bad? Nobody, absolutely nobody likes bad things since that's what bad literally means - so surely it would mean that if something is objectively bad, logic would dictate NOBODY would not just not enjoy it, but actively do their best to avoid it?
Since the key word is objective - that is, utterly and undeniably based on facts, absolutely not influenced by beliefs, morals, culture, anything really other than mathematics or laws of the nature - I think that something being objectively bad means that it has absolutely zero redeeming values - nothing. None. Nobody could ever gain anything from it.
There's absolutely nothing positive anyone, or anything, could ever get out of something that is objectively bad. Do you agree with me on this? I mean, it is literally what the words mean, so I would imagine you do. There are no positive, or even neutral ways to interpret the word bad, only negative. There's also no room for subjectivity with the word objective, cause, unsurprisingly, objective and subjective are literally opposites.
I know I'm repeating myself, but I'm just trying to make a point.
Being compared to a flat-earther - that's a low blow, even after my comments. So please, just humor me.
Something being bad doesn't preclude being able to like it. They aren't mutually exclusive in the slightest.
Yeah. Subjectively bad. It has to have some redeeming values, if it can be enjoyed in some sense.
You told me to look up the definition of hyperbole before - now I'm gonna tell you to look up the definition of objective.
No, something being objectively bad does not preclude liking it.
Well then, guess we just gotta agree to disagree - you just don't know what the word objectively means.
And you're a condescending ass.
*shrug*
Lmao, now that is rich. Kettle, pot - I hope the irony isn't lost to you.
I don't know what to tell you. When you take the words objective - 100% non-subjective - and bad - negative, with no positive connotations whatsoever - and put them together, I believe you get something that has absolutely no redeeming values. None, in any way. With the current word definitions, that's what the two words imply. Dare I say - maybe even objectively? Maybe not tomorrow, as language is a living thing, but right now.
e: would you say I'm condescending... Objectively speaking?
Continue to pretend this wasn't your first response and you weren't intentionally trying to start shit.
Again - pot, kettle.
But arguing about story in video games is pointlessly stupid. There's like less than ten games with actually legitimately objectively good story.
How is this not a baiting thing to post, again? e: I have to add, though - what the fuck does it matter, anyway? (Also I like how you keep using the word pretend, as if I'm denying I'm also being a cunt - I'm just trying to drop it right now)
e2: If we forget the animosity between us for a second - this is actually a kind of an interesting topic. Say, let's take the hypothetical situation that there can indeed exist a story that is either objectively bad or objectively good, but that can be, when subjectively experienced, good or bad. Even great or terrible. If there was an objectively bad story that EVERYONE loved, for their own reasons, would it being objectively bad matter anymore? I feel like the term "objectively bad" would lose all it's meaning and it'd become something that you'd really only use if you were trying to get people riled up.
"I don't enjoy this objectively bad drivel, even though everyone else does. I only enjoy objectively good stories, because my tastes are highly sophisticated to the point that everyone else is unable to comprehend why they are objectively GOOD"
Objectively bad and objectively good wouldn't indicate if people could enjoy or not enjoy them - what's the point of classifying something as objectively good, if everyone hates it?
e3: everyone else is welcome to join the discussion! I think it would be interesting to get varying views on this
Napalm_Frank
Member
Not delayed since western release was never confirmed to be 2016! Japan December, west March 2017 believe.
Also people that said KH3 would miss 2 console generations weren't kidding after all!
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
O god why lol. Heres how it goes
Kh 2.8-march 2017
Kh3 "still in development"
Kingdom hearts Unchained chi-.......
but why?
Napalm_Frank
Member
Well it's a goldmine if you are into yaoi I guess.
Morbid curiosity. The first edit was, at first, just a joke, but then I got curious...
I can not fucking stand anime fan girls
e: here's a haiku to move the attention away from my perverse adventures
Kingdom Hearts is good.
Kingdom Hearts 2 is good.. Too.
Kingdom Hearts 3... Who?
Well, my English syllable counting game is not on point, so I hope it's a haiku
Blood Diamonds
Banned
kh1 is a piece of shit and Days is the best KH game
Napalm_Frank
Member
KH Tumblr is collectively losing its mind over Skuld. Not gonna lie, I'm a huge fan of the design and the fact that she uses the keyblade in a completely new fighting style is just great.
She's a fencer! She wields that keyblade like a rapier and has this fabulous aerial spin flourish. And one of my favorite magic/attack skills I've seen thus far.
Speaking of, [chi] has some of the most obscenely OP attacks in the franchise. Like, you don't just hit someone with flare, you chain three of them together. You don't just pop off an arcanum attack, you summon an energy blade to duel wield an arcanum attack and on the finishing blow you toss out a Thundaga and a Tornado spell at the same time. Cause ain't no kill like overkill.
That's an interesting way to be wrong.
NHarmonic.
Member
I like your posts regarding kh, but this is laughable.
If sony releases that 4.5 shit soon and drops support for ps4 i'm done with consoles, specially if kh3 is tied to that.
Metal Gear Solid is a story that is good outside of the purview of "for a video game". The later games lost that, but Metal Gear Solid is a well written narrative that both takes advantage of being a game while maintaining a core element strong and yet malleable enough to be adapted successfully to other mediums. I question your taste for arguing otherwise.
Hmmm first MGS is very good narrative and story wise : interesting plot, neat twists, keep you on the edge of your seat, tense and well implemented story to the game. I really liked it. Only things that it lacks is more explanation about Big Boss and Gray Fox, if you want to understand the plot more you have to play previous games, wich is something you don't want to do since those game are quite a pain to play nowaday, especially when you're coming from the first MGS.
The rest is hard to follow and a serious mess imo, pretty much like Kingdom Hearts. Characters rise from the dead for no reason, death means nothing, everything is explained through nanomachines (The MGS sharingan), twists are meh, character are either dumb or inintersting, sometimes both and Kojima tried way too hard to do something different for the sake of it (MGS2). I won't even talk about Kojima focus on diarrhea and sexy cringe-worthy stuff.
So we agree then.
Nomura saw Zootopia ages ago and he's probably already seen Moana. They let him see movies well in advance specifically for that reason. Also, Disney doesn't impede on Square at all. Besides, they make more off Infinity than they ever will from Kingdom Hearts and we already have our Judy and Nick figures (should have been a playset, how in thee fuck do you keep missing this Disney, no Frozen playset, no Zootopia playset, literally the two biggest animated films and neither got a playset, but the LONE RANGER, COME ON!)
You said Metal Gear Solid serie has a strong story and narative, I support the opposite, except for the first MGS. How could you agree ?
I never said series. I even said "the later games lost that", which should clearly indicate that I'm only talking about Metal Gear Solid. Besides, I consider the franchise to be "Metal Gear"
Just had someone tell me how much of a fake KH fan I am for thinking that KH2FM is still the best game in the franchise, because apparently it can never be compared to games like 358/2 Days and DDD, which are leagues above it. "The only thing that saves KH2 for being the worst game is the Roxas prologue and the fights against the organization". "You should stop saying that you love these games when it's clear that you only care about the mainstream ones"
Welp.
Edit: Apparently 358/2 is the pinnacle of the KH gameplay 😂😂😂
Welp.
Edit: Apparently 358/2 is the pinnacle of the KH gameplay 😂😂😂
But KH2FM IS the best Kingdom Hearts game. Am I a fake Kingdom Hearts fan as well?
And I actually think that the Roxas prologue is the worst part of the game (apart from Atlantica).
The last hour of 358/2 Days saves the game. I actually enjoyed the movie version in KH 1.5 more than the game itself.
I have to replay DDD. I played that game before I played BBS and was very very confused. I guess I'll just wait for the KH 2.8
And I actually think that the Roxas prologue is the worst part of the game (apart from Atlantica).
The last hour of 358/2 Days saves the game. I actually enjoyed the movie version in KH 1.5 more than the game itself.
I have to replay DDD. I played that game before I played BBS and was very very confused. I guess I'll just wait for the KH 2.8
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
You're all wrong! Ddd is the best if you think otherwise you are a nobody.
Mediking
Member
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Nah they dont get to have a body.Hit 'em where it hurts....
Hearts aren't strong enough in here
Wait, is Malyse DreamDrop?
stahp letting him rile y'all up.
I was with them until they included Dream Drop Distance.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
NHarmonic.
Member
We all know BBS is the best non-mainline game. It's even better than KH1.
No.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Season pass with two additional worlds,7 extra keyblades and 3 more arenas for multiplayer(its happening i bet)
Because that's the type of DLC that Square and Disney would want to do. 😒