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[0neAnd0nly]

I’m going to be honest,

As someone who has preferred PlayStation as my primary console for sometime (ps2 launch, ps3 first 3 months - yes, I paid the $600, and PS4 launch) when I speak criticizing of Sony recently and remark about how their arrogance is haunting them again - stuff like this is exactly it.

The arrogance that almost cost them their console back in the early ps3 days is back. Sony doesn’t seem to understand that their hype and current share of the market is due to not exclusively a great and diverse gaming lineup, but also the pro player and consumer stance they took bravely during the opening of last generation. The Sony that was ridiculed for the KZ2 “trailer” before the ps3 launch that worked their TALE off to bring that into reality, the Sony that stuck with small developers and gave chances to studios like Media Molecule, the Sony that came out and opposed Microsoft DRM bs with a mic drop heard round the world - THAT’S the Sony people love.

This arrogant attitude they have developed with Layden and now Ryan has been a gloomy unfolding. Diversity and creativity of games has waned, their desire to censor has increased, they’re being outspent by their biggest rival.

Stuff sucks.

I long for the Tretton days. It was good to be a PS person then, IMO.

Before anybody blames me of just being anti-PS, even with my criticisms - I still prefer PlayStation and hope it does some reflecting. I like all the consoles for different reasons, but PS has been my gaming hub for most of my life with Nintendo closely alongside. I don’t want PS to fail. Sometimes though, you have to criticize what you love. Turning a blind eye doesn’t amount to anything at the end of the day.

Edit: I don’t know much about this title, to be clear and fair. But I would much rather Sony choose not to sell games at all on their platform if it pushed a boundary, than to censor an artist work - even if it’s something I dislike.

It just isn’t a good look for a corporation to stamp their moral mark on someone else’s work.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

I’m going to be honest,

As someone who has preferred PlayStation as my primary console for sometime (ps2 launch, ps3 first 3 months - yes, I paid the $600, and PS4 launch) when I speak criticizing of Sony recently and remark about how their arrogance is haunting them again - stuff like this is exactly it.

The arrogance that almost cost them their console back in the early ps3 days is back. Sony doesn’t seem to understand that their hype and current share of the market is due to not exclusively a great and diverse gaming lineup, but also the pro player and consumer stance they took bravely during the opening of last generation. The Sony that was ridiculed for the KZ2 “trailer” before the ps3 launch that worked their TALE off to bring that into reality, the Sony that stuck with small developers and gave chances to studios like Media Molecule, the Sony that came out and opposed Microsoft DRM bs with a mic drop heard round the world - THAT’S the Sony people love.

This arrogant attitude they have developed with Layden and now Ryan has been a gloomy unfolding. Diversity and creativity of games has waned, their desire to censor has increased, they’re being outspent by their biggest rival.

Stuff sucks.

I long for the Tretton days. It was good to be a PS person then, IMO.

Before anybody blames me of just being anti-PS, even with my criticisms - I still prefer PlayStation and hope it does some reflecting. I like all the consoles for different reasons, but PS has been my gaming hub for most of my life with Nintendo closely alongside. I don’t want PS to fail. Sometimes though, you have to criticize what you love. Turning a blind eye doesn’t amount to anything at the end of the day.

Exactly how is censoring a game that has a dead fetus being removed and a baby sitters face being cut off and put on as a mask arrogant? You may not agree with the censorship and that's totally fine but it's not arrogant. Arrogant is telling people to get a 2nd job to buy a console, something they've gone out of their way not to do ever since. They actually offered a true next gen machine for $400 something nobody else has done this generation. I think some of you need to hold back on the drama a bit and stop trying to connect dots that aren't there to connect.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

If people want to see it happen to adults it's fine though

Errrr yeah.... society widely accepts all kinds of media containing violence against and between adults.

 

[ntropy]

found the code for the uncensored version:

Spoiler

ABACABB

 

[Shmunter]

The time Genesis outsold snes….

 

[0neAnd0nly]

Exactly how is censoring a game that has a dead fetus being removed and a baby sitters face being cut off and put on as a mask arrogant? You may not agree with the censorship and that's totally fine but it's not arrogant. Arrogant is telling people to get a 2nd job to buy a console, something they've gone out of their way not to do ever since. They actually offered a true next gen machine for $400 something nobody else has done this generation. I think some of you need to hold back on the drama a bit and stop trying to connect dots that aren't there to connect.

Not a single decision that is arrogant, the arrogance is Sony believing they can do anything they want and continue their success.

I made my stance clear IMO, if you disagree with a games content - just don’t publish it on your console. But censoring its content once you green lit it’s availability on your console, is akin to drawing a smile on the Mona Lisa because her frown offended you. An artist took time to create that art. Sony didn’t. Don’t mess with it for the “concern” of “adult gamers”.

That’s just my .02 though, everybody is entitled to their opinion and I fully respect yours man.

Again I want to be clear that this game doesn’t interest me (I’m not into stuff like this at all) from the little I have read here, and I really don’t know about the scenes in question - but I would just prefer Sony not offer the game at all than to change someone else’s work.

 

[BlackM1st]

Kratos banging chicks and floppy tit enemies in GOW.

You're out of the loop bro, Kratos can't bang anyone anymore too

You'll get adventures of his horse raping son and you'll love it

 

[Kagey K]

Lol, you were never gonna buy the game anyway. Let's face it.

Also, depictions of cruelty to children (even dead ones) is not even something you would see in film/TV or even anime (would be banned from airing so hard), so I'm not seeing the problem with Sony asking them to cut this content. Nobody who isn't a sadistic sociopath wants to see that.

This isn't even remotely true.

Some of the best horror is because of horror done to children. It takes it up a notch.

In fact there are many episodes of Law and Order SVU where unspeakable things happen to kids, because it keeps the viewer interested.

Let's not pretend bad things don't happen to you until you turn 18.

If we want video games to be accepted as "art" like movies, we have to be able to tackle hard subjects, but we also have to let B movie directors do thier thing.

To pretend games are above scenes like this is a farce.

 

[akaFullmetal]

Pretty messed up scene. I don't think there should be censorship though. Just rate it for adults and move on. Adults can decide if they can handle it or not. Maybe offer a toggle setting like cod regarding gory scenes.

 

[Boglin]

Errrr yeah.... society widely accepts all kinds of media containing violence against and between adults.

I really don't care if they're a child or not, if you want to see a person's face being sliced off then you're a sadistic sociopath. What could you possibly enjoy about that?

 

[Kagey K]

I really don't care if they're a child or not, if you want to see a person's face being sliced off then you're a sadistic sociopath. What could you possibly enjoy about that?

Dude we live in a society where people paid to see a movie about sewing mouths to butts.

Enjoying something that makes you uncomfortable doesn't make you a psycho.

Thats the fun of horror.

 

[Pallas]

This is the scene that was in the demo

It is pretty horrific but it’s also a horror game and I’m no expert but I’m pretty confident that isn’t a baby but fully grown woman. It’s important to understand the context of exactly why you need to do such a thing to began with.

Edit: The poster on Twitter could have been referring to not a actual baby but the younger sister of the protagonist. Since we sometimes refer to younger siblings as “my baby sister or baby brother.” Still my stance is unchanged.

Respectfully, no. They are two separate entities with their own code of standards and distinct governance. A movie can be rated PG, but if I deem it's content inappropriate for my child, I don't defer to the MPAA's judgement.

That’s fine and it’s your right as a parent, but most of us are grown adults and should be able to decide if we want to buy a game like this without it being forcefully edited because it has content that’s considered too extreme by a singular corporate entity.

 

[NecrosaroIII]

My wife's name is Martha. I don't like the name of this game.

 

[arvfab]

Maybe they needed to alter the Sony version for the German market

Xbox and PC are not affected by this. It's Sony dictating it here.

 

[Pallas]

So is that scene just a cinematic now or cut entirely?


Maybe they needed to alter the Sony version for the German market, but instead of only doing changes for one specific country they as a small studio made the change for all Sony versions. DE authorities could see Sony as the market leader in consoles (kids toy) and be harder on it.

Any violence that is integral to the story (validated) or necessary to gain items to move forward (GoWIII head ripping for example) is fine, violence against humanoids for the sake of violence can get you banned fast.

Don’t know why the developers aren’t more specific, do they really think people are going to buy the game not knowing what was cut and how it’s handled ?

Does Germany regularly ask for extreme violence to be edited? I know Japan is weird about it and I think Australia has some tough policies, but if that is the case, the edited part should be universal on all platforms and not just Sony’s.

 

[Kagey K]

Does Germany regularly ask for extreme violence to be edited? I know Japan is weird about it and I think Australia has some tough policies, but if that is the case, the edited part should be universal on all platforms and not just Sony’s.

Germany had (maybe still has) a policy regarding the use of Nazi images which led to many games being banned. (Mostly those with WW2 themes, for obvious reasons)

 

[cormack12]

Exactly how is censoring a game that has a dead fetus being removed and a baby sitters face being cut off and put on as a mask arrogant? You may not agree with the censorship and that's totally fine but it's not arrogant. Arrogant is telling people to get a 2nd job to buy a console, something they've gone out of their way not to do ever since. They actually offered a true next gen machine for $400 something nobody else has done this generation. I think some of you need to hold back on the drama a bit and stop trying to connect dots that aren't there to connect.

Missed opportunity with the DualSense imo. Feeling you cutting through skin and sliding a face off? That would have been perfect for the use case tbh to give it an edge over platforms.

 

[Kagey K]

My wife's name is Martha. I don't like the name of this game.

Lol I couldn't marry a girl named Matha based strictly off I would make fun of her, because of this cartoon.

 

[Kagey K]

Missed opportunity with the DualSense imo. Feeling you cutting through skin and sliding a face off? That would have been perfect for the use case tbh to give it an edge over platforms.

We need the ASMR version of this clip now.

 

[Monokrom]

But Tormentor is fine to release then on PS4&PS5? Oki doki.

 

[Vaelka]

So fucking sick and tired of this fucking shit.
Fuck...

I HATE censorship so much why in the hell is it still a thing in the games industry?
Fuck off Sony...

 

[assurdum]

I have to say it's the first time in my life I can't stand a gruesome scene in a game. I can understand why sony did it

 

[Kagey K]

I have to say it's the first time in my life I can't stand a gruesome scene in a game. I can understand why sony did it

I'm not shocked you side with them.

Maybe every game should be Paw Patrol level going forward to not offend your sensibilities.

 

[GymWolf]

Imagine defending this choice because the scene is too strong...

News flash, it's an horror game, people buy this stuff or watch horror movies because they enjoy some gore.

Tlou2 has a pregnant woman being stabbed in the throat, and very detailed gore but that's ok right?! Gtfo...

 

[assurdum]

I'm not shocked you side with them.

Maybe every game should be Paw Patrol level going forward to not offend your sensibilities.

Good for you. But I guess still I'm free to have my opinion.

 

[SSfox]

I thought they learned from dmc5, still not the case it seems.

IDK what this game is about but censorship is wrong specially if the game has mature esrb, Sony can be so weird and nonsense sometimes.

 

[Kagey K]

Good for you. But I guess still I'm free to have my opinion.

Sure, but what good is it if it keeps getting games censored to your tolerance?

If you don't like it don't play it, but don't think everyone else is like you.

As shown above many of your fav PS5 exclusives are more graphic

 

[assurdum]

Imagine defending this choice because the scene is too strong...

News flash, it's an horror game, people buy this stuff or watch horror movies because they enjoy some gore.

Tlou2 has a pregnant woman being stabbed in the throat, and very detailed gore but that's ok right?!

I think there is a big difference between to say to understand why Sony did it (what most of the people saying) than defend censorship.

 

[cormack12]

We need the ASMR version of this clip now.

What's weird is despite all the graphic violence in TLOU II, the scene that made me wince more than others was the hammer to forearms and the infection setting in.

 

[GymWolf]

I think there is a big difference between to say to understand why Sony did it than defend censorship.

Understanding? Then why their flagship game is a concentrate of gore porn, misery porn and torture with the most realistic display of violence in a videogame to date?!

I mean it's pretty hilarious to praise that one but being ok or "understanding" why sony censored this one.

Mk series is way more violent aswell.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

Not a single decision that is arrogant, the arrogance is Sony believe they can do anything they want and continue their success.

I made my stance clear IMO, if you disagree with a games content - just don’t publish it on your console. But censoring its content once you green lit it’s availability on your console, is akin to drawing a smile on the Mona Lisa because her frown offended you. An artist took time to create that art. Sony didn’t. Don’t mess with it for the “concern” of “adult gamers”.

That’s just my .02 though, everybody is entitled to their opinion and I fully respect yours man.

Again I want to be clear that this game doesn’t interest me (I’m not into stuff like this at all) from the little I have read here, and I really don’t know about the scenes in question - but I would just prefer Song not offer the game at all than to change someone else’s work.

I think it's a silly stance to take to say it's better to ban the game on the platform at all rather than cut a scene or two, I'm sure the developer/publisher would agree with me since that's what they are doing anyway. If they wanted to they could just say "we refuse to be censored" and not release the game on PlayStation, it's not like anyone is forcing them to port the game to PlayStation but clearly, they want the money. The bottom line is that it's not arrogant to censor a couple of obscure games only a small handful of players even know about, it may be something people disagree with and that's their right but it's not arrogant. You could certainly say they are being overly conservative or overly protective of their brand, there could be a real case to be made there but arrogant? No I don't think that's fitting at all.

 

[Kagey K]

I think it's a silly stance to take to say it's better to ban the game on the platform at all rather than cut a scene or two, I'm sure the developer/publisher would agree with me since that's what they are doing anyway. If they wanted to they could just say "we refuse to be censored" and not release the game on PlayStation, it's not like anyone is forcing them to port the game to PlayStation but clearly, they want the money. The bottom line is that it's not arrogant to censor a couple of obscure games only a small handful of players even know about, it may be something people disagree with and that's their right but it's not arrogant. You could certainly say they are being overly conservative or overly protective of their brand, there could be a real case to be made there but arrogant? No I don't think that's fitting at all.

Or they could not put developers in a predicament, especially when there is precedence of being more violent in thier own games.

 

[assurdum]

Understanding? Then why their flagship game is a concentrate of gore porn, misery porn and torture with the most realistic display of violence in a videogame to date?!

I mean it's pretty hilarious to praise that one but being ok or "understanding" why sony censored this one.

Mk series is way more violent aswell.

The fuck are you talking about? Are you serious Jeez take a long breath before to post, the hell you have seen such scenes in their flagship games? Anyway it's not about the gruesome per se, but more about what the scene represent in this game. Torture a dead body of a young woman with QTE. I guess Sony find it unnecessary gross and prefer to eliminate the QTE. Isn't it exactly a "regular" case of censorship

 

[Kagey K]

The fuck are you talking about? Are you serious Jeez take a long breath before to post, the hell you have seen such scene in their flagship games?

Nope they made it up. The Abby getting ass fucked, the ripping of skin or stabbing of throats didn't happen

They are all making it up to defend some indie game doing a leatherface ripoff.

You got them.

 

[assurdum]

Nope they made it up. The Abby getting ass fucked, the ripping of skin or stabbing of throats didn't happen

They are all making it up to defend some indie game doing a leatherface ripoff.

You got them.

Can you find me a Sony game where you can mutilate a dead body of a woman with QTE with such serious tone? How you can find TLOU2 remotely comparable lol are you people for real. Again it's not about the gore but what the scene represent. How you can't see such huge difference. Never said to defend their choice but again I can understand why they did such choice.

 

[Kagey K]

Can you find me a Sony game where you can mutilate a dead body of a woman with QTE with such serious tone? How you can find TLOU2 remotely comparable lol are you people for real

Visage has you shooting a woman and 2 children in the first few minutes of the game.

It seems really you are disconnected. The people that are already dead will feel nothing.

The people still alive, get all the trauma. Like Abby or the family in Visage.

Tell me again how those scenes are different.

 

[assurdum]

Visage has you shooting a woman and 2 children in the first few minutes of the game.

It seems really you are disconnected. The people that are already dead will feel nothing.

The people still alive, get all the trauma. Like Abby or the family in Visage.

Tell me again how those scenes are different.

Again it's how you present some scene not what the scene shows. If you people don't understand the difference, I can't do anything for you. Isn't it exactly as censor the gore. It's more about don't like the tone of the scene. If I have understood they asked to the developer to translate the QTE in cutscene. The game sequence is still there.

 

[Kagey K]

Again it's how you present some scene not what the scene shows. If you people don't understand the difference, I can't do anything for you.

So the Abby rape scene is fine, based on what they showed, but the described scene is bad based on what you didn't see.

I think I understand now.

You are going to fanboy, just to do it

If only there was some way for players to decide for themselves, and maybe had a power button or quit to home if it got too intense.

 

[GymWolf]

The fuck are you talking about? Are you serious Jeez take a long breath before to post, the hell you have seen such scenes in their flagship games?

I said game, not games, i was clearly talking about tlou2, and if you think that tlou2 is not a super violent game with extremely realistic gore than maybe you are the one who need to take a break or maybe you need to watch a recap of tlou2 most vilent scenes and ingame gore details...

Also don't forget gow series, a brand that was mostly famous for his violence and gore or stuff like days gone that is pretty violent aswell.


Mk brand has people ripping faces off and doing much worse than that scene and they are still okay for sony.

As kagey already said, if you think that rippimg the face from a dead body that feels nothing is more gruesome than killing people in brutal way and hearing them gargle to death i don't know what to say.

 

[assurdum]

So the Abby rape scene is fine, based on what they showed, but the described scene is bad based on what you didn't see.

I think I understand now.

You are going to fanboy, just to do it

What rape scene. Jesus guy the hell of game you have played. I'm a fanboy but you are obtuse as hell. You are so obstinate to condamned the censor without to care to understand why sony they did it.

 

[assurdum]

I said game, not games, i was clearly talking about tlou2, and if you think that tlou2 is not a super violent game with extremely realistic gore than maybe you are the one who need to take a break or maybe you need to watch a recap of tlou2 most vilent scenes and ingame gore details...

Also don't forget gow series, a brand that was mostly famous for his violence and gore or stuff like days gone that is oretty violent aswell.


Mk brand has people ripping faces off and doing much worse than that scene and they are still okay for sony.

You are talking about games where violence is almost hilarious against a game where you mutilate a dead body of a young woman in a serious tone. Really you don't see the difference? And again I never said to like such choice but to understand it.

 

[SSfox]

Imagine defending Sony in this bullshit

 

[Kagey K]

What rape scene. Jesus guy the hell of game you have played

She verbally describes it throughout the game, both Abby and Ellie got it.

I'm guessing you didn't pay enough attention to the dialogue to realize it though.

 

[assurdum]

She verbally describes it throughout the game, both Abby and Ellie got it.

I'm guessing you didn't pay enough attention to the dialogue to realize it though.

It's unbelievable how you struggle to understand the difference.

 

[assurdum]

Imagine defending Sony in this bullshit

Imagine try to argument than post sensationalist short comments.

 

[Vaelka]

I have to say it's the first time in my life I can't stand a gruesome scene in a game. I can understand why sony did it

Then don't play the game...
I am so tired of this '' I didn't like it therefore it shouldn't exist '', holy hell just stop.

 

[Kagey K]

It's unbelievable how you can't understand the difference the two scene.

It's unbelievable how you take fake scenarios so seriously

They are make believe actions inside a fictional story, designed to tell the story.

It's not like anyone is cutting the face off preteen girls for motion capture for the game.

 

[GymWolf]

You are talking about games where violence is almost hilarious against a game where you mutilate a dead body of a young woman in a serious tone. Really you don't see the difference? And again I never said to like such choice but to understand it.

Almost hilarious but still super violent and with realistic graphic and gore, show that to your mom or your grandpa and see how much they laugh...

And how about tlou2? Is that almost hilarious aswell?? Because hearing people praying for their life or gurgle to death is what comedies are all about...

Let's just stop right here dude, it's a waste of time for both parts at this point.

 

[assurdum]

Then don't play the game...
I am so tired of this '' I didn't like it therefore it shouldn't exist '', holy hell just stop.

I am so tired of "I don't even care to read carefully the post I quoted"

 

[Danjin44]

What’s funny about this, people keep saying Nintendo makes system for kiddies and yet Sony doesn’t trust their so called “adult” audience with mature content.