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Mary Kay Letourneau, convicted child rapist, wants to teach again
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Not with a sex offender tag.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
welp sometimes crimes have consequences and I got to reiterate this again she went and had sex with a child while on bail for having sex with a child....... I don't see where she deserves any sympathy
Anyhow Its not like she can't make money in other ways
benjipwns
Banned
I'm not saying she should be granted a job, just that her sentence should be over and her rights restored. I doubt any schools would want to hire her, but getting off the registry might let her teach at Community Colleges.
She hasn't relapsed in 12 years, she even teaches piano and tutors kids!
And she went to jail for that. Her sentence should have ended when she was released and a sane probation period ended, not a lifetime one that imposes a string of burdens.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
people allow her around there kids? I don't want to go to deep into the gender aspects of this case but the treatment of convicted women child molesters is in start contrast to how American society treats male child molesters.
I always felt it was the predatory aspect of the crime. I feel murderers should be on a registry for life as well if the circumstances have it tried as first degree.
So you're saying our justice system is not about rehabilitation, it's about moral punishments and how you feel. She's been out awhile and tutor's kids and she's not raping them, but because your feels tell you it's wrong you don't care.
That's definitely true.
In the context of this thread though, I don't see why she can't be allowed to teach again, even to kids/boys.
She's rehabilitated and has even tutored kids since then.
benjipwns
Banned
I think it's important that it's not that she should be allowed to teach kids necessary, but that she should be allowed to pursue that. Nobody has to give her a job and she doesn't need to be just handed a license. The registry just shouldn't be standing in her way any longer. And it's really less about her than those worse off due to the registry system, she seems to be doing alright.
I agree on the gender point, but I imagine that at least some of the parents evaluated the situation and her and found her to not be a threat to their kids. Or not and she was just the cheapest.
Murderers don't tend to get out of jail very soon, especially first degree, and rarely are offered six month pleas with no registry requirements.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I believe in rehabilitation for most crimes but not crimes which show clear intent and planning and are violence or of a sexual nature. Crimes like those not only tend to show a clear disregard for others lives while they are being commited, they also have life long effects.
Lets look at her husband who married the woman who molested him. At 13 she was his first sexual partner and their relationship made him a teenage parent. Her lust and bad decision making has significantly altered his entire life. Why shouldn't it have the same effect on her own life as well?
DontBeThatGuy
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I hate rehabilitation and second chances.
Well let's break this down on facts and evidence then, not what ifs or tends to's. The facts show me she is in no way a danger to any child. We have 12 years worth of data to back that up. If I could make you a data point graph, that shit would be at zero. So why should we keep punishing her? Don't answer with What ifs or maybe's either.
benjipwns
Banned
Don't be that guy.
This eye-for-an-eye mindset is needlessly vindictive.
She served her time in prison, and has also had her life altered.
She isn't the same person as she was when the crime was committed.
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Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Some crimes don't deserve them. Its not like I am advocating put her in jail for life.
However, no she doesn't deserve a right to be around children in role of authority mandated by whatever local government that runs a school. If some people wish to allow their children to be around her fine. We live in a country where some parents don't see the risk of not vaccinating their kids either. However she shouldn't be around kids of parents who aren't willing to knowlingly take that risk, and if a side effect of that is she can't teach adults either.... to bad. There are millions of people out there who don't do as a career something they want to do. Its just life
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
where did I say it was about the death penalty or nothing else? .
I do believe rehabilitation is possible but some crimes like mass murder, serial killers, rape, child molestation, murders with clear intent and planning.... those crimes to me puts the person who committed them in a category where yeah they should be special rules on what they can do to try to limit the damage they could cause in case they decide to do it again. Even if they are released from prison. Also its not to even punish them as it is to limit the risk to the people around them who could be unknowingly harmed if those rules didn't exist.
benjipwns
Banned
A one time child molester or public urinator or statutory rapist or even a rape-rapist while absolutely terrible aren't on the level of a first degree murderer let alone a mass murderer or serial killer in terms of their likely threat to society. This is evident in the sentences given to them.
Say a man rapes a woman, rape-rape, he serves his time in prison and is released. Should he have his voting rights restored? Should he be allowed to move? What about after 12 years of not raping anyone or getting anything more than a traffic ticket?
Say a man rapes a woman, rape-rape, he serves his time in prison and is released. Should he have his voting rights restored? Should he be allowed to move? What about after 12 years of not raping anyone or getting anything more than a traffic ticket?
He doesn't care, notice how he ignored me when I told him to use facts rather then feels.
DontBeThatGuy
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Wait, the guy for rehabilitation and second chances? The way a justice system should fucking work. Nah, sorry, I'll happily be that guy. They're now married with 2 kids for fucks sake.
I think he was taking you literally.
DontBeThatGuy
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Oh.
benjipwns
Banned
DontBeThatGuy
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It was pretty obvious though.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
You know how many people I am debating in this thread because I am defending an unpopular opinion? Forgive my silence but I am doing my best here and yes I am picking and choosing.
Anyhow your argument is she is a 12 years clean, my counter to that is thats great. Its good to see she hasn't relapsed, it doesn't mean she won't relapse again and allowing her to be in a situation where she could have the authority to do so would be negligent in my opinion.
The fact she had sex with a 13 year old multiple times prior is all the evidence needed to show she is capable of that crime and shouldn't be given a position of power over multiple 13 year olds ever again. The side effect that she can't teach adults does suck, but the way laws work in the real world they can't just say "welp she looks like a nice old lady, lets cut her a break".... No she has to carry that weight for her crimes regardless.
However, to say she should be scott free because it happened to all work out is disingenuous a lot of these stories don't work out. A lot of these kids are scarred for life and the crime she commited shouldn't be disregarded because it worked out.
I don't buy that. Your equation ignores people who stay in jail do their bid our released and commit the crime again. I am not advocating the death penalty but I have no problem with life in prison terms and life on parole terms either. Anyhow she has a life, and seems happy for the most part and hasn't relapsed in 12 years. Good for her nobody is begrudging her that.
I am very iffy about voting rights, I do think that is petty since its not really saving anyone or mitigating the chance of a repeat episode of a crime being commited. Moving no I don't think they should be allowed to move anywhere they want without prior notice to the government and the people in the community.
As for the 12 years I told Darkflow my opinion. I am not saying they deserve to drug tested but yes those people are always dangerous in my mind. Somewhere in their thought pattern in their past they felt justified to commit a certain crime. In this case it was to molest a 13 year old (even when she was on bail I might add).
So no 12 years of her being clean doesn't mean she can't relapse. People have the capacity for change sure but people also have the capacity to wait 12 years and molest again. There is no cut off date on the willingness to rape
benjipwns
Banned
Then why shouldn't she still be in prison?
Maybe you should take that as a sign.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
In a way she still is, parole is a limitations on your freedom. She deserves a chance to live her life. I find what she did disgusting but I won't begrudge her the happiness she found. With that said I feel it would be negligent to ignore what happened and allow her to be in a position to do it again.
Yeah I am being the devils advocate by saying what I believe.... I hope I don't get in trouble for it. But I don't think I need to walk anything I said back as being wrong either.
benjipwns
Banned
Isn't she in such a position? She just can't do it as a teacher.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Yes and that is the parents of those children's decision. Its there right to do that and take that risk.
Being a teacher however, means she is in a school full of children whose parent if they don't want to take that risk are then inconvenienced to either move their children to another school or be forced to leave their children in a school where a child molester is a teacher. As I said before she committed the crime and should bear the weight of it. Not the community around her
Maintenance
Member
Nope, keep her away from children.
bloodyroarxx
Member
Jesus the nerve of her to even mention teaching ever again is an insult.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I am arguing against the possibility of "could she be a teacher" and that the sentence be maintained to deny her that right. I don't think anyone here is advocating should she be one. However, I feel she gave up her right to even attempt to fill that role due to her prior actions. I mean she is already tutoring children and made it known she would want to teach again. That already is pushing the envelope in my mind.
JinjoUnchained
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What's up with that?
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