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[Atlantic] America Has a Drinking Problem

What is the average lifespan of the 'mates'? 40 years?
M8 my granny kicked the bucket at 90, we thought we'd need a silver bullet to put her down, this woman up until about 20yrs ago could drink my da under the table, smoked 40 a day and ate everything drowned in lard and that's just the women...
 

highrider

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The depressed women and men over 30 are running it up. I live in the DC area, almost everyone here is super liberal cumbyyah types, but they are immensely unhappy and drink every night. Then there’s the weed heads, living the dream 👍
 
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SF Kosmo

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I've cut my alcohol consumption by like 80% in the last year, and I wasn't an especially heavy drinker before that. Where I used go through a six pack over the course of a week, now it's more like 4-6 weeks.

I mostly attribute that to stepping into a step-parent role in a kid's life. And especially because her bio-dad is an alcoholic and drug addict, I just think it's better not to, helps her feel more secure.
 
I've cut my alcohol consumption by like 80% in the last year, and I wasn't an especially heavy drinker before that. Where I used go through a six pack over the course of a week, now it's more like 4-6 weeks.

I mostly attribute that to stepping into a step-parent role in a kid's life. And especially because her bio-dad is an alcoholic and drug addict, I just think it's better not to, helps her feel more secure.
6 pack in a week? That's less than I do a day. Ok. I binge Fri-Sun but then go a week a half not drinking. Then binge again. But I'll do 15 or so 'light' beers in a day. Then stop for 10 days or so.
 

Dural

Member
I guess this is as good a place as any to put this.

3 weeks ago my wife's uncle called her at 8am on Sunday asking her if her dad is ok as he got a call that he was in the hospital with a broken leg. My wife tried getting hold of her parents but neither were answering so we ended up driving to their place. Her dad hopped to the front door and had his ankle wrapped and couldn't put any weight on it. He said he didn't remember anything before waking up at the ER and before that he was at a local bar. My wife called the bar to see if they knew what happened to him; she was told he was passing out at the bar and every time he woke back up he would yell at anyone near by and was antagonizing the bouncer and calling him names. The final straw was him yelling that he was going to get a gun, shoot the place up, and kill himself. They told her four guys carried him out and put him outside and that was it. The way his leg was broke the doctor said it would have had to have been pushed back and twisted to where it was pointing backwards. Her dad doesn't remember any of this, he was so wasted. He's a pretty bad alcoholic, at times he'll bring home a case of beer and a bottle of liquor and finish it off every night. He hasn't drank since this incident, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
 

Boss Mog

Member
Fentanyl is a much more serious problem these days. So is all the garbage processed food full of salt, sugar and fat that many Americans eat on the daily.
 

Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Insufficient exposure to adversity + lack of healthy coping mechanisms + zero exercise = alcoholism in millennials.

2 of those are true but insufficient exposure to adversity? If anything adversity is partially to blame. I don't think the most prolonged war in American history, the 2008 financial crisis, the opioid crisis, the covid pandemic, and rampant student loan debt are insufficient adversity lol many more Americans have died from opioids than Vietnam in a similar time period.
 

InfiniteCombo

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Purely anecdotally: yes, there seems to be a drinking problem, and it seems to have been exacerbated during the pandemic. I can't show up to almost any friend's house without being offered SOME sort of liquor. I sometimes have to turn it down, since I'm not always in the mood for drinking.

BUT, this is hardly an America-only problem. If you go anywhere outside of the United States, you'll find that people drink... A LOT. On the flip side, people in some counties just drink a lot of lighter beer -- pilsners and such. Here in the US, beyond the light beers, alcohol content is a lot higher -- go to any microbrewery that offers IPAs, stouts, etc, and you're easily looking at 8% ABV at a minimum. Wines and spirits are also popular here, arguably more popular than any other country in the western hemisphere.

But again, hardly an American problem. I have friends from Eastern Europe that, any one of those friends by themselves, can probably drink this whole forum under the table 😂 Exaggeration, I know, but man.... They can drink.

EDIT: before I get absolutely destroyed by Maiden Voyage Maiden Voyage ... No, I didn't read all of that, at least not paying close attention. I'll actually read it and edit my comment where necessary.
 
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Dural

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In reasonable quantities yes, your body needs those, but anything in excess can kill you and many American meals exceed the daily recommended intakes, and that's just for one meal.

This can't be true, even the worst meal from McDs doesn't exceed the daily recommended values in one meal. I'm sure some fast food restaurants have meals that exceed it, but it's not common. My wife had low iodine that was affecting her thyroid because of always being told salt was bad and never putting iodized salt on anything, she has to take a supplement to help with the low iodine.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
This can't be true, even the worst meal from McDs doesn't exceed the daily recommended values in one meal. I'm sure some fast food restaurants have meals that exceed it, but it's not common. My wife had low iodine that was affecting her thyroid because of always being told salt was bad and never putting iodized salt on anything, she has to take a supplement to help with the low iodine.
That is not real food. Iodized salt is a synthetic compound as well.

There are plenty of other natural iodine rich foods you can eat without the fake rock salt (table salt).
 
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Boss Mog

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This can't be true, even the worst meal from McDs doesn't exceed the daily recommended values in one meal. I'm sure some fast food restaurants have meals that exceed it, but it's not common. My wife had low iodine that was affecting her thyroid because of always being told salt was bad and never putting iodized salt on anything, she has to take a supplement to help with the low iodine.
Who said anything about fast food though? I'm talking more like complete meals at places such as Applebee's, Cheesecake Factory, Clain jumper, Chili's, Outback, etc... Just a Bloomin' Onion appetizer at Outback has 800 calories, 58g of fat and 1520mg of sodium

If your wife has low iodine it has nothing to do with salt intake, it's because she's not eating a balanced diet that would supply her with iodine her body needs. I only consume sea salt when eating at home (which is most of my meals), which isn't iodized, and my iodine levels are fine. Iodine is mainly supplied through meat, fish, dairy and eggs so maybe your wife isn't eating enough of that stuff. Is she a vegan? If so, then yeah, you would need to find another source of iodine like iodized salt.

Don't forget also that 2000 calories is a recommended daily intake for an active person and most Americans aren't that active and so 1600-1700 is more appropriate to maintain weight for a non-active person.
 
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DeepEnigma

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Who said anything about fast food though? I'm talking more like complete meals at places such as Applebee's, Cheesecake Factory, Clain jumper, Chili's, Outback, etc... Just a Bloomin' Onion appetizer at Outback has 800 calories, 58g of fat and 1520mg of sodium

If your wife has low iodine it has nothing to do with salt intake, it's because she's not eating a balanced diet that would supply her with iodine her body needs. I only consume sea salt when eating at home (which is most of my meals), which isn't iodized, and my iodine levels are fine. Iodine is mainly supplied through meat, fish, dairy and eggs so maybe your wife isn't eating enough of that stuff. Is she a vegan? If so, then yeah, you would need to find another source of iodine like iodized salt.

Don't forget also that 2000 calories is a recommended daily intake for an active person and most Americans aren't that active and so 1600-1700 is more appropriate to maintain weight for a non-active person.
  • Dried Sea Vegetables: Dulse, Kelp, Nori, & More!
  • Fruit Plants High in Iodine: Strawberries, Prunes, & Cranberries.
  • Vegetables High in Iodine: Green Beans, Corn, Lima & Potatoes.
  • Leafy Greens: Spring Greens & Watercress.
I use Himalayan, black salt, and some sea salts at home as well. Always in moderation.
 

Boss Mog

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  • Dried Sea Vegetables: Dulse, Kelp, Nori, & More!
  • Fruit Plants High in Iodine: Strawberries, Prunes, & Cranberries.
  • Vegetables High in Iodine: Green Beans, Corn, Lima & Potatoes.
  • Leafy Greens: Spring Greens & Watercress.
I use Himalayan, black salt, and some sea salts at home as well. Always in moderation.
I used Guérande sea salt exclusively, collected by hand from salt marshes that have been used by humans for thousands of years. Bonus is that it's decent source of extra magnesium which is something a lot of people are deficient in.
 

JCK75

Member
I love good beer and bourbon but I take it in extreme moderation
a 6 pack of beer will last me like 2-3 weeks, and a bottle of good bourbon makes it about a year.
 

chromhound

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Razvedka

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2 of those are true but insufficient exposure to adversity? If anything adversity is partially to blame. I don't think the most prolonged war in American history, the 2008 financial crisis, the opioid crisis, the covid pandemic, and rampant student loan debt are insufficient adversity lol many more Americans have died from opioids than Vietnam in a similar time period.
It wasn't a war. Afghanistan and Iraq were 'blips' of distant violence which scarcely effected anyone on the home front relative to WWI, WWII, Korean War or even Vietnam. Afghanistan and Iraq were' conflicts'. There's a legal distinction there but also for the sake of this conversation a very practical one.

No drafts. No mass mobilization. No existential threat.

Let me put this into perspective. The quantity of US personnel lost in both Iraq and Afghanistan as of 2019 was 7,000.

The Russians seemingly lost that many troops in Ukraine in about a month.

The 2008 Financial Crisis hit before most millennials were really even a player in the economy. So we were 'coming up' just as that hit, so we didn't really lose anything (our parents did). I will agree of course that our careers have been complete trash compared to Boomers, and this has been something we've been grappling with. 2008 probably didn't help that.

Our generation has been completely coddled is what I was going for. I didn't say that our lives were charmed, just that we've been exceedingly babied before being dumped into a world far more difficult and complicated than the one our parents enjoyed at our age. This then ties directly into insufficient coping mechanisms resulting in alcoholism. Alcohol and drug use are symptoms, not the problem in and of itself. Our generation is seeking an escape from the stress.

We were babied and whispered asinine promises like 'do what you love' and 'your work should make you happy'. The reality we walked into was very different from what we were being told, but the government backed student loan money was easy and the curriculums watered down or complete bullshit (gender studies, et al). That was a bomb waiting to explode as we approached 30. Toss in Covid/being stuck indoors, flagging economy, and you've a wonderful recipe for self medication.
 
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Not to be a pissant but Finland has a drinking problem, they don't keep going on about it.

I realize that I'm being a bit disingenuous towards people that really do have a drinking problem, but yeah, I just wanted to say that for some reason.
 

Tams

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Lol, people think the US has a drinking problem?

Come to the UK. We'll show you a drinking problem.



Or if you want to see the worst; go to Russia.

I will give you Americans that the US has one of the most immature stances on alcohol consumption. Likely comes from their puritan past. And yes, the UK has and had some of that too; we just sent our worst off to the Americas.
 
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